BJ Penn wants to build MMA, would like to see James Toney 'do good' against Randy Couture at UFC 118
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 22, 2010 9:01 PM EDT
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"I really would like to see James Toney do good out there. You know what? If Randy goes in there and runs over James Toney in five seconds, I don't think that does anything. I look for ways to try to build the sport, ways to put more fans in the seats and more money in our pockets. I want to see James Toney go in there and do good."
Contrary to perhaps most mixed martial arts fighters (and fans), number one lightweight contender BJ Penn says he isn’t bothered by the presence of loose-lipped professional boxing champion James Toney among the UFC roster. In fact, he hopes the pugilist does a good job in his Octagon debut versus Randy Couture at UFC 118, which is scheduled to take place next weekend (Aug. 28, 2010) at the TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts. Penn is actually slated to headline the same event, rematching Frankie Edgar in the featured fight of the night. Do you share Penn's mindset -- Toney, for better or worse, is good for the sport? Or are you just looking forward to seeing "Lights Out" lose proving boxers cannot just dive right into MMA?
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You might want to fix something, a bunch of random text is just on there.
Also, I’m rooting for Toney. Not because of BJ Penn’s reasons but because nobody else is backing him. Go underdog!!!
Fixed. Thanks. Mozilla messes my posts.
I’m also rooting for the underdog but Couture will take him on.
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by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 22, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No prob
I think Couture will win but in theory all James Toney has to do is touch Couture and it’s over. I’m honestly very interested in the fight for the technical aspect ore than the freak show aspect lol.
It's certainly good for Toney that Couture is primarily a greco wrestler.
Most people assume that he’ll shoot from outside but couture usually gets his td’s from inside. As far as toney beside being one of the all time greatest defensive boxers, his inside fighting in the booth is artwork to watch at least in his prime. Couture might change up and double leg him to avoid all that but you never know if he comes into with that throw the overhand right to get inside that’s worked so well against hyped up mma strikers. I personally hope for a Toney KO and not because i dislkike couture (which i do) but simply because it might lead high level boxers to come in. So props to BJ for his comments.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 22, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if Couture's td's are usually from the inside I still think he could take Toney down from a double leg from the outside.
But in theory all Toney has to do is stuff one td in order to get 3 inches on the inside of Couture and it’s lights out! Still, who knows we’ll just have to watch to find out!
pretty much this, i mean it's moot point if couture decides to double leg him.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Double Leg For Sure
I agree with BJ… I hope Toney stuffs a few takedowns, clips randy with a couple of shots that rock him… then Couture pummels Toney in the wanning mins of the 1st rnd…but….. at best Toney will get backed up to the cage and Couture will be able to pull n lift n’ set him on his back. In the end Toney will bitch out from the stikes and roll to his stomach… Toney “Taps” out.. he’s probably just in it for the PPV buy %. If Toney wins,MMA may suffer until Toney fights again or another big name boxer steps in… Toney ‘Must’ Lose.
Get real. If by some miracle, Toney gets a lucky shot, MMA will NOT suffer.
If it didn’t “suffer” through the Kimbo Slice experiment, it won’t suffer through this. At least Toney is somewhat more legit than Kimbo…
lol @ Kimbo slice experiment
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by *Californication* on Aug 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You all realize that Randy wrestled collegiate before he was a Greco wrestler?
And that he’s double legged some of the better wrestlers in the LHW division? Guys like Chuck who was a division 1 wrestler and is known for his TDD or Tito who effectively outwrestled Rashad in their match-up. He’s stated in every interview I’ve seen that he would look for the double and Toney can’t stop his shot or the impending dump on his head. The only one talking up Randy’s clinch game is Rogan. Randy’s not dumb, I don’t see him hanging onto Toney against the fence. I don’t get this “Randy’s a greco wrestler so that works for Toney” idea. Randy’s a wrestler period and a damned good one.
That's why i said its a moot point if he decides to double
leg him but i was just making a case for James. I am pretty sure you don’t even need a wrestling background to takedown toney.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 23, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think your giving toney a little too much respect
i think randy has been rocked by bigger and stronger guys than toney?
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Size isn't the thing
When you get a high level boxer with 4 oz gloves from 6 or 12, his hands can murder someone. I’m not even joking about that. T
Look at grappling. A 150lb guy can lay on you in such a way that it feels like he’s 300lbs. The same is true for a toney’s standup. He can hit you in such an explosive way that it feels like he’s as big as Bob Sapp!
MMA fighters have fought against people that use muay thai and kickboxing all of which have strikes that generate more power than a boxers punch.
Would you prefer to get punched in the face by Toney or kicked in head by Mirko? I know which choice I would prefer. And yet not too many people fear Mirko so why I ever think Toney is bringing much of anything.
hmm
well im really excited how Couture vs Toney will be…
lol.. almost everyone forgot there still is a main event XD.
well thats a bonus :D
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I see zero positives for the ufc if toney wins(other then the ppv$ for the one fight)
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i see it still as so many peeps view it as boxing vs mma..
so i agree it is a bonus for the ppv..and maybe..just maybe..some of the boxing fans will be swayed into becoming fans..but, if toney just knocks him out straight away, then the boxing fans will continue to discredit mma..
Look. I don’t understand any of this. I have been a boxing fan all my life, and recently I’ve been getting into MMA in a big way. I’m definitely late to the party, but I’ve been watching all the UFCs and I am up to 37.5. I’ve watched the last few Strikeforces as they’ve aired. The Bellators. WEC. I’ve been getting into this in a big way; the same way I’ve always gotten into boxing.
But I don’t get this. I really don’t. I don’t get the marketing or the fan reaction. UFC vs Boxing? Its stupid. MMA fighter wins in the cage 99/100 times and vice versa.
That still isn’t the problem though. The problem is James Toney. Beating James Toney in any sport doesn’t prove anything anymore. James Toney is barely top 20 in a Heavyweight division that has about four good fighters total. James Toney is a terrible, shot fighter. James Toney would lose to the guys who are losing in the first round of the Bellator heavyweight tournament, let alone a UFC legend, even an old one.
I mean what does Toney bring to the table? Even with the little gloves, he doesn’t bring power to anything above cruiserweight in boxing, and even that wasn’t really serious power. Now if you put James Toney in the later half of the 90s at MMAs 170lb pound division, at least if that division existed with the quality of fighters it has now, then you would have had “well… if he hits a clean shot…” factor, but even that doesn’t exist now.
He’s going to get tapped, or at best for him held down for three rounds and decisioned. It won’t prove anything, and only people who follow one sport, probably the winning one, will think it does.
This all day though couture's lack of a chin still makes me think that he can get laid out.
Big Nog who historically has never show big or even average power was dropping him everywhere and he’s at best a club level boxer. (Though i am fully aware that it was more his BJJ/Judo skills that allowed him to control the clinch away from and into the center of the cage; hence giving him opportunity to land shots.)
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 23, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If he gets Decisioned, it's a worst case scenario because it embarasses Randy and does nothing for James Toney.
Randy either has to submit him or KO him, OR the other result being that Toney delivers the “Lights Out”.
BJ is 1 of my all-time fav fighters,but...
I for 1 am not on the same page wit my boi here. I hope Randy straight up embarrasses Toney- and this comes from a guy that used to call out Randy wit the overrated card b4 it was cool to do so lol.
na i her ya
Truss i got Toney goin 2 sleep wit a first round rape choke. But i will say dis, hatin on Randy aint coo, neva has been neva will be. Dudes a legend wit 5 belts n 2 weight classes. Gotta @ least recognize tha greatness fasho!
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by *Californication* on Aug 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
3 x LHW 2 x HW
iz wat i wuz refer-ing to.
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by *Californication* on Aug 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ in his way of bulding the sport...
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I do agree with NNR , even though Toney probably will be worried of not only the takedown, but perhaps a kick which might change his stand as well.
Then again, Randy aint the IP man so…
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Let’s enjoy this for what it is suppose to be, and thats a fight. Toney has superior hand and I hear all these guys talk about how he doesn’t have KO power? For boxing he might of not been the hardest puncher but with little MMA gloves and his skills is something that can KO pretty much anybody with a flury and like a one dimesnional wrestler Toney is a one dimesnsional stand up fighter with great stand up skill. The question will be can Toney keep it standing and keep his distance? How will he do this? If he does Toney will most likely win and if not Randy will most likely win. Odds are Randy because he knows the octagon and he has decent stand up that is good enough to get in close without taking a great amount of damage. But if Toney is smart his training will be almost 100% on takdown D and being able to keep his distance, yes he has a big mouth but that doesn’t change the fact that he has very dangerous hands and if motivated could be an exciting fighter.
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by salamagogo on Aug 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
For As Hard As I am Being On Penn...
I agree with him here. This is the Ultimate Fighting Championship. It was originally designed to test the skills between all of the disciplines of combat arts.
BJ is right. If Couture just rolls over Toney, nothing will be gained except for another win on Couture’s record. The quality and credibility of the UFC product will certainly not be enhanced, that’s for sure.
I hope Toney makes a good fight. It would be nice to see a fighter bringing something different to the table and doing well.
BJ is right!
Who wants to pay top $$$ to see Randy take Toney down immediately, hold him there, hit him with some punches (Randy is not known as a vicious GnP guy) and the fight to be over in a minute??!
You’re paying to see a fight! A competitive fight. Yeah, if Toney wins it’ll be horrible for MMA so i hope Randy wins, BUT at the same time i hope it is SOMEWHAT of a fight as then it will bring in more boxing fans over and other boxers might even make the jump.
Although i doubt Toney will do well, i think it will go exactly like everyone expects it to.
Looks like a mud slide coming down the side of a mountain.
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