Jon Jones next fight against 'one of the top eight guys in the world'
by MMAmania.com on Aug 2, 2010 12:16 AM EDT
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"Vladimir Matyushenko is a guy who I have a a lot of respect for and I didn't think it was going to happen that easy. 'Bones' Jones is the real deal and he just catapulted himself tonight into the top eight in the world. Tonight solidified it. To go in and do what he did to Vladimir Matyushenko, and make it look as easy as he did tonight, it cements it for me. This kid is one of the top eight in the world in that weight division. He's got to keep his head together, stay focused and keep doing all the right things in training. He's smart, good looking and bad ass. He's going to make a lot of money -- this kid is going to do very well. Right now in the 205-pound division, all these guys are fighting each other. When the smoke clears and the dust settles, Jon Jones will fight one of the top eight guys in the world for his next fight."
That was fast ... and we're not talking about Jon Jones' remarkable finish of the very tough and durable Vladimir Matyushenko in the UFC on Versus 2 main event this evening. UFC President Dana White was among the many who was blown away with the performance of his most promising light heavyweight perhaps ever, promising that "Bones" will be tested against the division's best his next time out. With division champion Mauricio "Shogun" Rua out with an injury, and Lyoto Machida and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson set to hook 'em later this year, the options on the table right now are limited. Rashad Evans is a training partner, which seemingly dashes that match up ... at least for now. Perhaps the winner of the UFC 119 fight between Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and Ryan Bader? Let's hear it, Maniacs. Make us a match.
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I don't know who I'd choose to beat him at 205
I can’t think of anyone I would pick to beat him.
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Mir is gonna drop down and fight Jones as his first fight at 205. J/k just talkin out of my ass
by drudog1715 on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No thiago’s or forrest’s they’ve lost more than once in their past couple fights and are behind Jon in my book. The winner of Lil Nog/Bader, Rashad, Shogun are worthy of fighting Jon right now and maybe Machida if he beats Rampage
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Well your book is pretty short. Zing yao.
But seriously he needs a named fighter, and a Forrest or a Thiago would be what the doctor ordered.
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Agreed
It’s time for Bones to make a real step up in competition, he wants to be challenged and now is the time to see what he is truly made of. He should fight the Bader-Lil Nog winner next, Nog was exposed by Brilz so isn’t a class above Jones but at the same time is a quality well rounded fighter who will test him in every area and he is still top ranked whilst Bader is another top undefeated (Hamill DQ will always be a Bones win to me) prospect with a great wrestling base and the same amount of experience as Jon. That is the fight that makes the most sense ranking, name and talent wise and will help to determine a top contender after Shogun and Rashad have fought, depending on what happens with Machida and Rampage. Jones doesn’t need to fight beatable guys with recent losses like Forrest or Thiago, he should be fighting better fighters than them so he has a better chance at earning a title fight.
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Let him be healthy
Thiago Silva would be a great next fight
so top 8? how bout the spider!
griffin, or thiago silva which both are still hurt
machida/rampage got a date
evans don’t want to fight training partners
lil’ nog is fighting vader
liddell? i don;t think so!
tito/hamill got a date in oct
king mo & g mousy are with strikeforce
let’s get the spider silva at 205!!!!
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or jones could go up to hw
for a one time fight with james toney. the spider might be a bit much for him right now.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
or
can i get a rich franklin?
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
I hope not
I like Rich too much to want that fight. Frankly, I wouldn’t want to see any of my favorite fighters in the ring with this kid. He’s greased lightning right now and I can’t think of anybody under 250 lbs that I would put money on against Jones. Maybe Shogun or Machida…but I would not consider it a safe bet by any means.
i like rich too
but jones/franklin would be such a bad ass fight. plus if rich won, he would be right back in there for a title shot
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
I doubt Rich would win.
Jones is a stylistic nightmare for Rich. Agressive with long elbows knees and a brutal clinch game…that’s Franklin’s kryptonite.
I would love to see him destroy the Spider
Don’t think Spider would take this fight
I think he's ready to make a fight of it
but not to win. Silva’s timing is just too good for Jones’ limited experience. Then again, the kid is so unpredictable that even Silva might wind up getting tossed on his head before he figured him out. It would certainly be exiting!
Bones would be a nightmare opponent for Andy
Jon’s inexperience and cardio would cost him if they fought now but in a year or 2 even I would have to pick Jon, he is just so big and freakishly quick, strong and athletic nevermind his quality wrestling and impossible to prepare for striking.
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good looking???!!!
wow i understand the hype train or watever u guys call it butits getting alittle out of hand..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Ya no shit
He beat a guy that might not even crack the top 15 at lhw, its a guy who he was supposed to destroy and he did. His next fight will show where he is at if it is indeed against a top 8 lhw.
vlad is a good fighter, but in all honesty(not taking anything away from jones) but hes perfect for beating him easily and making himself look better. like i said im not taking anything away from him cause u guys will bite my ass off if i don’t agree with u, but this fight was put together so we wud see wat we did..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Agreed
To be honest, I thought Vera was his first top ten match up? I mean Hamil and Bonner were’nt that bad either….I don’t know why his inner circle and the UFC seemed to be scared to step up the competition…Besides Shogun and Machida, I would put him in with anybody…
I think its got something to do with the fact he just turned 23. And its not jones fault. Its all the ufc matchmaking so how can you blame a guy who just fights who they want him to fight? He may or may not be as good as people think but this kid isn’t scared one bit of anyone look how calm and relaxed he is all the time. And he trains with jackson, when has jacksons camp ever been known to be affraid to take certain fights?
by LOKIE on Aug 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jones wants to step up, he asked for a top opponent who will challenge him
Hopefully Dana and Joe Silva listen this time, no need for any more grizzled veterans to be fed to Bones.
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honestly, I think the top 10 are scared to step up
I don’t think any of them wants any part of this kid. Silva is a well-proven coward. Forest only wants to fight people who are well known at Starbucks. I can’t see guys like Rich, Lytoto, or Shogun ever turning down a fight if the UFC asks them, but I don’t think they’re begging Dana for a crack at this kid either. Randy might cause he doesn’t care about winning or losing as much as finding new and interesting challenges, which Jones certainly presents in droves.
I think its the fact that he is young and has totally dominated his opponants
He has devasted or dominated all of his opponants so far in the UFC.
Think Nog vs Brilz, it was meant to be a Nog showcase but Brilz was tough and in my opinion won the fight. Jones has completely blown through all his foes .
I care how low people are ranked, this is the UFC and with the caliber of competitors present no fighter should be able to put a hurting on another fighter the way Jones has in his last 3 matches.
That is what the hype is about.
Well proven coward? Now that is being silly
The only man who Andy supposedly ducked is set to fight him in Saturday and is known to talk out of his arse and make up any old rubbish just to get some attention and hype. Everyone else is a friend who weren’t offered a fight with Andy in the first place e.g. Machida, Lil Nog or they fight at a different weight class.
Funny comment on Forrest though, it’s hilarious that a supposed great guy who will fight anybody admitted that he is ducking Bones and Lil Nog because they’re better than him but not names. I’m still dubious about his “injuries” that saw him pull out of fights with Machida and Lil Nog, pretty convenient that he only gets injured when he’s set to face top fighters that weren’t known to the casuals/non-fans.
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I knew that would get your attention, Dave
And you were well within the 3 hours maximum that I anticipated it would take you to rush to your boy’s defense.
I won’t go through the list again or the many ways that Silva has avoided all the fights he should have been fighting while picking on the UFCs weakest division two weight classes beneath his true size. You and I have been down that road too many times before and somewhere deep in your heart you know that your boy is a douchebag who avoids real challenges and calls out irrelevant fighters to take the attention off the fact that he’s only beaten 3 people that matter and only 1 of them was really in his weight class.
Personally, I think Silva could probably beat anyone in the world under 250 lbs, but we’ll never know for sure, cause he’s too busy beating up 2nd rate nobodies at MW to fight the top guys in the world, most of which are within 5-15 lbs of his real size.
Chael is that you?
Nah, we’re never going to agree on this. I just haven’t seen or heard any stories about Andy flat out refusing to fight anyone who wasn’t a teammate, sure he’s sad some silly things in the past about Vitor, Hendo and Sonnen but he still accepted fights with them or was never offered them in the first place. His behaviour in his last fight was inexcusable and of course he’s cocky and a showboater but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t great or that he’s avoided top competition. MW is a strong division, Andy’s just made it look like garbage because he’s that good. Sonnen’s proven himself and once Andy beats him that’ll be another legitimate challenger that he’s vanquished. After that it’s time to fight Vitor, Okami or a LHW, maybe even GSP if Georges gets past Kos and can put on the weight to move up.
And many guys cut lots of weight to compete, as long as they make the weight I don’t see the problem in that. Most of the champions come into their fights the bigger man, that’s part of the reason that they’re so good as they’ve mastered the art of weightcutting and can come in at peak condition against smaller and weaker guys.
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i'd love to see
Anderson move on up to 205 and fight him one day. They have that similar body type, and both would have advantages in the fight. I do believe a guy with a low center of gravity would give him problems, someone like Rashad, or i know he’s in another org. but maybe King Mo. Either way super impressed with him, most impressed with how when he gets you in a spot he goes for the kill and fast.
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by MasterWhiteTiger on Aug 2, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
After watching king mo vs mousassi. Jones would absolutely destroy, king mo. Mo didn’t do shit but lay on him, jones would make a joke a mo imo
by LOKIE on Aug 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to see
this kid move up to Heavyweight. Aside from being lightning fast and redulously talented, the kid is also HUGE for a LHW. He’s got longer arms than Brock or Shane, is already cutting from 230 and hasn’t stopped growing yet. To me, aside from Anderson, the most interesting fights for Jones are at HW. Guys like JDS and Cain are much closer to his size than guys like Thiago, Rashad, and Rampage.
I think Rashad v Jones is ....
…. the best match up still avaiable . Maybe a guy like Franklin would make sense , but hes hurt . Tito ? Na thats a beating on a stick . Chuck ? Do we really wanna see The Iceman get iced again ? So the only fight thats possiable is Rashad .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
hmm..
he does’nt deserve rashad yet, as for him fighting tito, its never a bad idea to feed that asshole to sum young lion, and i wud laugh my ass off if chuck fought and beat jon jones(anyhting can happen).
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Rashad would get murdered by Jones unfortunately they will never fight.
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thats probably wat u said about rampage..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
No, because rampage blows and isn’t even top 10. He’s just a one dimensional boxer who’s not even good at boxing.
And to Randy, below, Rashad is nowhere near the wrestler Jones is Rashad was like 50-45 at Michigan State don’t believe the BS UFC hype machine this guy is not elite and would lose to a shit ton of fighters at LHW if he weren’t so sheltered.
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lets be fair
your record posting for rashad at msu was close enough, 48-35 actually, but how can you say that rashad is nowhere near the wrestler jones is? what are you basing that off of, what you see in the UFC? or amateur record? cuz youd be wrong no matter what your criteria is. rashad was a national juco champion just like bones so in that regard theyre even at least. and rashad just outwrestled rampage, who has always shown great defensive wrestling ability, while the best wrestler jones has faced is hamill. nothing against matt hamill or his wrestling ability, but no matter how you view it, rashad is at least as good as jones, and if you were to look at it objectively youd know that rashad is, in fact, a better wrestler than bones
Where's ANS? He can answer that question for us.
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The fight wont happen so its pointless to discuss it really
but IMO Rashad wins 9/10 times
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic
Rashad is an amazing wrestler, but Jones has showed remarkable technique in every single fight.
Rashad is more a single or double leg kind of guy.
Jones has shown throws, trips, suplexes and more. I’m not even sure if anyone has escaped a clinch with Jones without being taken down.
Not saying Jones is better, but definately saying it is not undisputable.
Rashads Wrestling At this Point In Time
is superior to Jones. As is his striking.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's your opinion nothing more
I believe you are judging more by quantity than quality.
The vision, creativity and level of technique needed to pull off some of what Jones does far exceeds what I have seen from Rashad recently.
Remember the double overhook suplex performed on Bonnar (I didn’t even know that was possible). Rashad has shown good take downs and excellent control on the ground but the same can be said for Jones. He finished his last fight in the crucifix position and the two before in full mount, each time achieving these positions in minimal time, this demonstrates amazing control and transitioning.
Rashad has had more fights and has therefore had more oppurtunity to demonstrate his wrestling, but beyond the quantity of fights there is little that shows clear superiority over Jones. Jones seems at the moment to have a greater ability to convert his higher level wrestling into dominant positions and ending the match using his wrestling.
But they have faced different levels of competition so there is case for arguement. But in clonclusion your statement above is less than definative.
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But Jones rag dolling Bonnar was nothing more then taking an over matched opponent and using raw technique to create a highlight reel. Jones would never try those things vs Rashad.
Rashads MMA Wrestling is better then Jones and thats not my opinion thats indeed a fact. As Ive seen them both wrestle, and spar. Jon is a powerful kid, with lots of raw talent and potential. But nobody who actually knows these two guys and their skill levels would give Jon the edge quite yet. And striking wise yes Jon is fun and unorthodox but he has been ripped apart by no name guys in sparring sessions and Rashad holds the edge there as well.
Like I said, as of now Rashad is better. That will soon change as Jon is a sponge in terms of learning skills. He gets better all the time. So in time since he is only 23 and if he sticks with his hard work he will be one of the elite fighters in the world.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair Enough
But sparring is one thing and fighting is another. I still think that based on what hseen shown on “UFC” programming there is nothing that shows a vast difference in the wrestling ability of the two.
As for striking I would give the edge to Rashad but wrestling is a different story.
Michael Bisping apparently knocks people out during sparring sessions but in the cage it doesn’t quite go to plan, so sparring session performances do not always translate to octagon performance. So sparring sessions aside there is nothing based on UFC programming that shows me for a “fact” that Rashads wrestling is better than Jones, almost quite the opposite.
But I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one :)
WOW! Suprised by that answer!
Thanks ANS! Always appreciate your info!!!
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Brian Stann came out and said it
and was talked to about doing so. Comparing teammates isnt the best thing to do although it can be fun.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
How does it go when they train? I’m assuming they go at it, right?
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Everyone Brings Rashads Collegiate Records Up
I usually ask afterwards what was GSP’s collegiate record… lol. Anyways, Jones will be one of the best in the world possibly even at two weight classes. As for now he is a freak of nature athletically and possesses amazing potential and raw talent.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bones owns Rashad
If they were the same size, this might be a good fight. But Bones makes Rashad look like Gary Coleman. “Whatchoo Talkin’ Bout, Willis!?!” Bones’ legs are as long as Rashad’s whole body. How’s that midget Rashad gonna pull a double on a guy who’s feet are planted in two different time zones? It wouldn’t even be a wrestling match it would be a Dwarf-toss!
Lol. Right...
That was a funny and wrong assessment
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i can say the same to jones, hes sheltered as all hell, think b4 u wagon hope, jones has’nt proven anyhting yet..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Lol I think he needs to be tested next time out by a top 5 guy but he hasn’t been sheltered he is being groomed there’s a big difference. Also how long has rashad been in the ufc compared to Bones.
by LOKIE on Aug 2, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Barely top 10?
Then I wonder where you rank Rampage, Thiago and Forrest as all of them have lost to “barely top 10” Rashad.
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i fucking hate rashad so much i wish his head would get knocked off. that said
rashad would make a highlight reel of an ass whoopin out of bones jones..
can bones fight off his back? cause he would spend a ton of time there
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by randy murders on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad would not make it out of the first round with bones.
Bones would reach across the cage and knock him the fuck out
I would really like to see him do 2 things...
I would like to see him Fight Thiago Silva, just because Thiago has a good ground game (even though we have yet to see much of it) and to possibly test his chin. We have yet to see if Bones has a chin and heart. I love Jones and he is mos def my favorite prospect, but nobody has had the opportunity to see how he reacts after being put on queer street.
SEcondly I would like to see him knock Forest out of the top 5 or 6 depending which ranknings you look at….
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Rashas has stated he is waiting for his title shot, add that to the fact they train togehter and that fights is less available than others, give him the winner of machida shogun, or maybe rich
by LOKIE on Aug 2, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a good matchup...
for Bones, not for Forrest. The baristas at Starbucks don’t know who Jones is yet, and Forrest has already gone on record that he doesn’t like getting whipped by people his friends have never heard of.
LOL
A good match up for Jon. Do you hate Forrest? J/K, but seriously I don’t see Forrest doing very well in that one.
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everyon eon here except me hates forrest, idk y though..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I cant hate Forrest
I will never doubt Forrest though, hes such a hardworker and always comes up in upsets.
I like Forrest a lot
But I’ve never thought he was a TOP 5. And I don’t like seeing him get beat down…he takes it too hard.
i dont like him either..
but that match up sounds real good
Forrest is a second rate randy
at least the paycheck can wrestle. He’s not durable enough to stay in there with Jones long. He’ll just get left splattered all over the mat in the 1st half of the 1st rd. Still though i wanna see it. That or Franklin. Actually both.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 2, 2010 8:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Forrest is dangerous for Jon
He will welcome Jon into the top ten as he welcomed Shogun into the UFC. Jones has been impressive but it’s not like he has devastating striking like the Spider. He TKO’s guys he doesn’t KTFO guys. I think with the upcoming events the top ten picture might look a little different by the time Bones’ next fight rolls around. Ryan Bader might crack his way in there! That would be a good matchup in my opinion. Only downfall to that is two young unbeaten guys on the ascent the UFC would be wise to build both of them up first. If you match them up now one of them is going to have their hype train derailed and that cost the UFC money. Hey, I wouldn’t mind seeing Randy vs. Jon. If Randy handles Toney he shouldn’t have a scratch. That fight could happen sooner rather than later. Not sure if you consider Randy a top ten LHW. But he will likely get the winner of Machida/Rampage assuming the winner is cleared medically. Of course that fight is not until November. Only scenario that works for that fight is Jackson gets injured and Jon steps in. Don’t wish that on any fighter though. Hey, Rich might be healed up in time for a Jones matchup in a few months. That would be a good matchup. My official pick: Ryan Bader beats Lil Nog and cracks the top ten and that will be Jones’ next fight.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Aug 2, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Forrest makes sense. He’s in a bit of a gatekeeper roll right now anyways, he’s a past champion, and if Bones can take him out then it would be hard to argue that he doesn’t belong with the big boys.
by TheIlluminati on Aug 2, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
That has to be one of the most boring match-ups I can think of. Jones would tag him a few times, sweep him, and then break his face like he did to Vera. Put Jones in there against a real top guy. I like Machida. They’re both unorthodox strikers. They both like to use Judo/Greco as their main take downs. It’d be the first time Jones goes against an elite BJJ guy too. It’d also give both of them a chance to get into clear title contention.
i like the silva fight, but i dont like thiago silva much, and i see jones as a bad matchup for him
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by randy murders on Aug 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Franklin?
Not sure how long Franklin will be out, but I think putting those two together could launch either of them into serious contention, and is a win, win.
true, but that's never stopped Rich before
Rich doesn’t say no to fights…ever. He’d fight Brock on 2 hrs notice if they asked him to. He wouldn’t be happy about it and his wife would threaten to leave him, but he wouldn’t say No.
hes only got like 2 choices
i think tiago silva is prob the most likely then forrest and franklin is a bit of a reach
I like Thiago Silva for a step up in competition.
He doesn’t gain a lot of notoriety or ‘pop’ from beating Thiago, but it’s a definite step up in competition. I’m afraid that if Jones goes out and dominates T. Silva, the same crap gets sloshed that we’re seeing right now. Because Jones probably just destroys Thiago with nast GnP, without much resistance.
Lil’ Nog would be a great fight. A step up in both profile and proficiency, maybe the best idea. Unfortunately he’s fighting Bader.
I think Forrest Griffin actually makes the most sense. Jones should crush him, but he’s a former champion who still has plenty of credibility, with his only real beating being dished out by Anderson.
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Jardine whooped his ass too
but that was a while back. I agree that it would be a good fight for Bones, both to raise his profile and because he probably beats the shit out of Forrest.
Hadoken!!
Oh, Forrest has been beaten before.
But he only really got outclassed by Anderson, I think. The Dean did get him (although I don’t remember the fight’s specifics), and Rashad also TKO’d him. But Rashad was getting really hurt with the leg kicks, and hadn’t done anything in the first two rounds.
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Jardine is a really odd case.
I can see him getting beaten by just about anybody in the top 20 of that weight class, and I’m also not very surprised if he grinds out a decision against just about anyone there, also.
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His next fight has to be Forrest Griffin!!!
Next fight for Jones must be Forrest. Shogun is going to fight Rashad, Lyoto is fighting Rampage, Anderson is wanting to stay at 185, Rogerio is fighting Ryan Bader. Who else can he fight? I’d bet a fat chunk of change that they will fight next and that Bones gets the W.
im just praying they dont give Franklin to him (because he one of my favs)…..
I really want Franklin/Forrest or even Franklin/Couture
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to see all three of them fight him.
All of them are legit enough names that people won’t moan about and they all present to him warm bodies to keep testing his skills against before jumping leagues up. People still need to realize he only beat vladdy.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, plus all three have the ability to test him, maybe not beat him, but test him.
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I'm hoping they have a heavyweight division and super heavyweight division in the future
maybe the cut off in the future can be 225. Jon Jones would be able to fight at that weight
I've been wanting a cruiser weight division too.
Totally agree. Bump HWT up to 285 (college HWT wrestling limit) and add a cruiser weight division at about 230. Do that and some retardonculously good athletes are going to start filling out those weight classes quick. Right now there are too many guys in no man’s land.
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There’s just nowhere to go for guys who are 220-245. They either have to starve themselves down to 205 or fight 290 lbs behemoth monsters like Brock and Shane. And historically, this is the size of most of the great HWs of the past. Fedor, Nog, Randy, CroCop, etc. Now that we’re in the Jurassic Renaissance, guys in that talent-rich 220-245 weight range have been rendered virtually irrelevant to any title picture.
Not many choices
Dana said his next match will be a top 8, so the likely choice is Forest, even though i doubt Forest would take that fight, and then Shogun in his first title defense.
i hope shogun can stay healthy because its seems inevitable that jones will get his chance at the belt soon
and there is no doubt shogun would smash him and i cant wait to see it
although I would love to see machida/jones where I also think machida wins
lol
hell no jones will GNP Shogun to the hospital
Anderson is going to make Chael his Play boy (No Homo)
Forest is a fun one to watch
but i don’t really consider it much of a "challenge"just a win over a more recognizable name…i think forest is one of the most over rated fighters in the UFC… you want to test Jones and have an awesome fight at the same time? have Vitor fight him at 205,if they aren’t going to make him fight silva at 185 let the Phenom give jones a true test at 205, even if its a one time thing at 205…that would be a fight i’d gladly shell out 50$ for
Well if they are putting him against a top 8 then it will probably be a lower top 8 meaning Franklin, thiago silva or Forrest. I’d put him against Forrest then loser of rampage vs machida. If he wins both fights he gets a title shot.
by mmanick on Aug 2, 2010 5:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not so sure of that
Anderson tatted a few years ago he wanted to retire at 35. Honestly I think he just wants to ride out his contract and fight GSP so he can retire as undisputed p4p best. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he retired at the end of his contract honestly. If he isn’t going to fight @205 And he beats Belfort after he causes the first death in the octagon (sonnen) then what is left for him? Nothing
by soupdz28 on Aug 2, 2010 6:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I cant blame him for not wanting to fight Bones.
And That Gsp fight is never going down. George will not move up. And Anderson cant move down. Anderson fights at lhw he cant move down lol. George will have to grow a pair.
Yeah I know
That last article with GSP talking about fighting silva just showed me how unwilling he really is to fight silva. He walks around at like 190 so he could fight silva if he wanted to and he knows it. He just doesn’t want to the any risk with his career, so he made a statement about fighting AS with no actual plans to do so
by soupdz28 on Aug 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Silva walks around at 230
GSP at 190…so how the hell is that a fair fight? That’s like saying Aldo is chicken unless he man ups and fights GSP. Its absurd. What’s really absurd is that everyone is talking about Anderson/GSP instead of Anderson/Shogun. Anderson walks around at 230 and beats up the 185ers, so now you want him to fight someone even SMALLER? When there’s an amazing champion waiting for him that’s 20 lbs closer to his own size? Shogun is still smaller than Anderson and has already said he would fight him. So who isn’t “manning up” here, the 190 lb guy (GSP) who doesn’t want to fight the 230 lb guy, or the 230 lb guy (AS) who won’t even fight a 215 pounder (Shogun).???
by (shonuff) on Aug 2, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's rec-worthy.
There is a large contingent of fans who really want Anderson to be what they think he is, which is a fantastic warrior who can decapitate opponents left and right. They’ll do anything they can do beef up his cred while tearing down any perceived threats to him.
These are generally the same fans who bitch day and night about cruiserweight divisions, Brock Lesnar’s perceived reliance on size alone, and lament the apparent takeover of MMA by high-level wrestlers.
The problem is that Anderson is packing just as much of a size advantage over his opponents as Brock is over the HW division. And it’s a useful size advantage, not a Tim Sylvia size advantage. Anderson also refuses to engage where he’s weakest (something people give GSP and Brock hell for incessantly), but you never hear these people calling for Andy to ‘man up’ and fight where he’s not at his best. Andy’s best being a counter-striker, period. He couldn’t out-strike Demian Fucking Maia coming forward? Really!? If you’d told me that prior to the fight, I would have laughed in your face, but it’s true. Anderson Silva couldn’t out-strike Demian Maia while he was attacking, he could only do it while Maia was attacking.
I think Shogun vs. Anderson is a good match-up, and I’d love to see it. Unfortunately, I’m guessing he won’t do it, citing respect for Machida, and not wanting to get in his way back to the title.
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Not tatted… My bad damn predictive text
by soupdz28 on Aug 2, 2010 6:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Forrest
I don’t think Forrest could handle another humiliation!! I want to see Anderson step up to 205 and go for the title after he murders sonnen
as for bones I’d have him fight thiago, lil nog or franklin, these guys are themselves trying to get to the title and the obvious 4 are all contending for the top 4 places!! Anderson would obviously be in there but he’s a 185er jst now
by the real mo on Aug 2, 2010 7:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Poor show last night.......
Too many adds, main event sucked……….Gomi made the night for me but that was about it.
I was hoping for the upset and was praying Vladimir Matyushenko would bet this kid.
I like fighting.
Funny about your critique....
I expected it to be full of ads. I watched True Blood on HBO “live” and started the DVR up after it was over. I still caught up before the Bones fight and True Blood is an hour long.
SAD
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No Forrest, no Franklin, no T Silva, no Bader, no lil Nog
All of them would be crushed as easily as Vlad.
A Silva, Evans, Rampage, Machida, Shogun. <- One of these, NO ONE else.
I know rampage is barely top 10 these days, but he does have a hell of a chin and punches hard so he wouldnt get wrecked as quickly as the guys in the subject.
I agree with most of this except for Lil Nog. I would like to see Bones beat the hype out of Lil Nog.
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by OJR on Aug 2, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy that got rocked by Brilz?
Well, I guess if you really dislike lil Nog why not lol.
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 2, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly! I did not like the way the Nogs acted with Brilz, so yes.
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by OJR on Aug 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Did you guys actually have a conversation, albeit short?
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Indeed. I always give credit to good posts (in my opinion) by responding.
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by OJR on Aug 2, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet no top 10 LHW even wants to fight Jones.
Getting someone to agree to fight him could be the biggest problem.
Thankfully, the UFC's match-making isn't dependent on people
agreeing only to fights they want. There aren’t many guys with absolute veto power in their contracts to prevent taking fights they don’t want. I’m thinking only the big-time champions and ex-champions can do this, like Couture or Chuck.
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don't forget "The Slider"
They have a dickens of a time finding guys for Anderson that he hasn’t already pre-emptively announced that he won’t fight. I just saw another interview with him today where he said he won’t fight Shogun because they are friends and former teammates. But when asked if he would fight Anderson, Shogun’s answer was a resounding, “Of course! I’m a professional.” Now THAT’s a champion for you, Folks!
Keep his head together???
I don’t understand why every positive comment associated with Jones always has the stipulation of him “keeping his head together” “doesn’t let it go to his head” This dude has not given one indication of being a head case, humble, respectful, and a killer in the ring.. So why do we have to keep hearing about his head? Until he proves otherwise why can’t it just be a given that his “head” is on right? You never hear this about other fighters, Sad to say you mostly hear this type of comment in MMA and usually its associated with black fighters.
Let’s leave the head on straight crap out of it because this dude is mowing down 205. And leaving a lot of dudes with their heads crooked!
by XxBomberxX on Aug 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
maybe it's because
he is built like Anderson and reminds people of “The Slider”…which immediately conjures countless mental images of arrogant diva douchery…so people immediately worry that he’ll follow in Silva’s footsteps.
Or maybe they mean “keep his head together” as in not getting carried away in a fight like he did with Hamill and doing something stupid that cost him the W.
I honestly think it's a legit concern with
ANY high-level athlete these days. We’ve seen too many examples of guys losing their minds for whatever reason once they hit the big-time, and the ‘head on straight’ comment is kind of the fans’ way of exorcising the fear that their favorite prospect’s head will explode on his way up the ladder.
I mean, we saw it with Werdum. We’ve seen it with BJ. Even guys like Koscheck kind of lose their minds for long periods during their careers. Rampage is an obvious example of a spin-out.
I don’t think people are commenting on him keeping his head together due to his skin color. I think they do it because of his age and talent, both of which cause us to get extremely excited about his potential.
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Jones is scary good
and only 23 yrs. old? Damn.
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Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
Jones cant be wasting anymore time on fights like this.
Im not sure why Dana wont let him fight for the title right away, he is defintely ready for it. He beats people up and makes it look easy, to say he needs more time is just ridiculous. Why wait, your only young once. I dont think anyone at 205 can touch this kid. When Joe said last night “I wonder what he would look like against a guy like Rampage” I thought yea I would love to see this kid rip through Page like he isnt even there. If he doesnt get a title shot within his next two fights something is horribly wrong. He is the best most exciting young fighter in the UFC at this point.
Stoppage?
So if Jones vs. Matyushenko wasn’t stopped too early, then Carwin vs. Lesnar went on WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long in the first round.
if the ref was correct in letting Carwin vs. Lesnar continue in the first round, then Matyushenko should have been given AT LEAST 30 or 45 seconds more to get out of the crucifix.
This is stupid ridiculous. What was the difference in the two fights? The biggest difference was that Lesnar was pounded on about 100X worse than Matyushenko, and yet he’s allowed to continue?
Either better rules need to be in place to end early stoppages, or we need to admit that Lesnar got more time because he’s a huge PPV draw.
Personally, i think Matyushenko got robbed. Would he have ended up winning? Oh hell no. But that doesn’t change the fact that he should have been pounded on a bit more before the ref stopped the fight. There is absolutely no consistency in how refs do their jobs. that’s gotta end.
i agree bout lesnar being catered to
But not last nights stoppage…janitor wasn’t goin anywhere.
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by salamagogo on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Huge Difference.
Vlad didnt have anyway to defend his face. Brock wasnt in the crucifix. The Ref did the BEST Thing by stopping that fight. Vlad wouldnt have gotten out, Brock on the other hand had both his hands and arms to defend, he was able to explode up, he was able to grab a leg… Vlad was not.
Horrible comparison.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Maybe Adam just likes to see 39 year old men get beaten to a bloody pulp. Funny how Brock always seems to have someone taking a cheap shot at him no matter the topic.
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What was the difference in the two fights? The biggest difference was that Lesnar was pounded on about 100X worse than Matyushenko, and yet he’s allowed to continue?
The biggest difference is that at no time during the Lesnar/Carwin fight did Lesnar fail to defend himself.
1. His arms were constantly moving to intercept incoming punches.
2. He was swiveling his hips to create more favorable angles, and
3. He was pushing Carwin off fairly regularly.
Being in a crucifix, The Janitor was unable to do any of those things. And since it was Jon Jones (who broke Vera’s head with one elbow) who had established the crucifix, the fuse was understandably short.
Also, the ref was calling for Vlad to improve position/defend himself immediately, the same way they did in the Lesnar/Carwin fight. He gave him multiple warnings. There was simply no good reason to keep the fight going.
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rip through rampage like hes isnt even there? yes because rampage is just terrible lol joke. dude gets out wrestled by rashad for 3 rounds and now hes just god awful? get a clue
I'm a huge Rampage fan
He’s from my High School. But unless he gets a better training camp and starts coming into fights with a better gameplan than just “Hit him”…he’s not gonna be able to contend with the likes of Machida, Shogun, or Bones. Rampage has all the raw talent in the world, and great defense, but he’s completely forgotten his wrestling skills and just looks for the big punch in every fight. If he were training with Couture and refocussed his wrestling skills he’d have walked all over Rashad and give Shogun or Machida an absolute hell of a fight, but if he sticks with this one-dimensional strategy, he’ll never crack the TOP 3 again and will struggle with many in the Top10.
coming off of the long layoff i dont think rampages wrestling was that bad. Most of the fight was spent up against the fence because rampage had stuffed his takedowns. And then he clipped him in the 3rd. I blame it mostly on his conditioning really. If he takes care of machida everyone will be back on board.
sadly, I don't think he has a prayer against Machida
If he had a gameplanner like Randy or Greg Jackson behind him and mixed up his boxing with TDs, he has the talent to give Machida fits. But he won’t. He’ll stay with those morons he trains with in England and Machida will outpoint him all night long.
OK yes the Lesnar fight didn’t get stopped early enough because he was defending himself intelligently, if all you guys are true mma fans and know the sport you could clearly see that Matyushenko could not get out of the crucifice he was in and if it was to go on longer serious damage would have happened, just watch the fight between bj and matt hughes that should convince you true fans of the sport
do us a favor, Kelly
once you’ve been on this site for longer than a day, you might earn the right to call out people for being “true MMA fans.” until then, earn your keep.
The "true fans" argument is always a poor one
But Kelly is in the right here, you can’t protect yourself when you’re in a crucifix. Herb Dean did the right thing stopping that fight as Vlad couldn’t defend himself just as BJ couldn’t against Hughes, referees have the fighters safety in their hands so they can’t allow guys to take numerous unprotected powerful elbows to the head. The last thing we need is another Gary Goodridge style crucifix KO.
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by David W-S on Aug 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The last thing we need is another Gary Goodridge style crucifix KO.
God, that’s still one of the most vivid images MMA has burned into my brain. Rec’d.
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true dat! I'll never forget that one
That’s the one I show people when they’re going on an on about Big John McCarthy being The Best Ref of all times. He made a lot of screw ups back then cause he was too busy yelling at cornermen to get off the apron instead of watching what the fighters were doing. The Goodridge one was probably his worst ever. I thought Gary might’ve killed that dude…maybe he did..never saw him again after that.
I say
Give him some one aggressive, we haven’t really seen how he reacts if some one goes in super aggressive who can get with in his reach. I’m telling you man Vitor @ 205 I can see giving him problems. Also a really good bjj guy I think could too. Long limbs = more leverage which could end up making him tap out pretty quick
by soupdz28 on Aug 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Vitor hasn't been agressive
since Randy crushed his spirit 10 years ago. Now Vitor fights very cautiously, like Machida, at least until he smells blood in the water.
HYPE..
This guy isn’t top-10 in the world. People are getting excited because he’s beating mediocre competition. Look at his resume and you’ll see it’s full of flunkies. He’s not world class and as soon he gets paired with someone who is he’ll be on the fast track to gate-keeping. He’s hype period. Kinda like what happened when Bisping started fighting elite competition. He got his ass spanked.
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Who is top 10 if Bones isn't then?
And everybody is excited because the raw potential and talent is on show, he’s not only beating but destroying good opponents, nobody has blown through Vera, Matyushenko or Hamill like Jones has and the guy is still only 23 and has so much more to learn. The Bisping comparison is a poor one as well, Bisping was given easy fights to help promote the UK MMA scene and never showed the talent that Bones has or won in as convincing fashion as Jones did.
It always makes me laugh when people bash prospects and claim that they’re overrated or haven’t fought anybody decent, as soon as Bones beats a top 5 guy the same critiics will suddenly start raving about how great he is.
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Jones has done everything in his power to prove his ability.
And it’s been quite impressive. He’s done it with plus physical tools (a length/reach that is unequaled in MMA at any weight class), a strong pedigree with wrestling, an exciting and unpredictable style and a really impressive public presentation both in and out of the cage.
He’s the real deal. I am in the crowd that wants to see him crush Forrest or Silva (I don’t care which one), but I also understand the desire to bring this guy along slowly. He’s one of the few guys who can carry the label of ‘the future of MMA.’
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i agree with the vitor matchup but i like vitor at 185. I think thats where he looks best at and personally i think he is the only middleweight that can give silva fits. If you want someone aggressive and around the same size, forrest griffin would be a perfect match up. and besides jon jones couldn’t finish stephan bonnar. Even though it was a lopsided decision Forrest and bonnar are very similiar in my opinion except forrest is 10 times better. So as long as Forrest keeps his distance and doesn’t allow jones to take him down i think he would have a very good chance.
Bones has improved a lot since the Bonnar fight
Just because he went the distance at 94 doesn’t mean that Forrest all of a sudden has a chance now, since then Jon has finished all of his fights (and had Hamill finished before the DQ) and has moved to a new training camp (Jackson’s) so he is no longer just the naturally talented self-taught kid, he is a freak athlete learning from the best. The Bones of Summer 2010 is a different fighter to the one that took Bonnar to the distance.
In my opinion Forrest matches horribly with him as his takedown defence isn’t great, nor is his grappling off his back plus his striking is still slow, sloppy and lacking power. Even Forrest has admitted that he doesn’t want to fight a guy as good (and unknown to the casuals) as Bones Jones.
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dude forrest is a goofball, he said rampage was going to kill him days before the fight. thats just how he talks. and his grappling skills are excellent. thats all couture talks about whenever he is commentating forrest’s fights. and how can u say his striking is sloppy? yes he might not be the quickest guy or the strongest but in no way is he a sloppy striker. im not saying he would beat jones im not even that big of a griffin fan, i’m just saying he would put up a little more of a fight as opposed to who jones fought last night. I definitely don’t think jones would run all over him though. stylistically they match up great
that's true
I have heard Randy comment numerous times on Forrests highly underrated ground game. As for his striking, I don’t know if I would go so far as “sloppy” but he’s certainly not a precision striker like Silva or Machida. The one thing Forrest does have over Bones’ previous opponents is size and reach. I don’t think Jones could toss him around as easily as he has other guys. Also Forrest tends to get better as he gets bloodier, so if he survives the initial onslaught the fight is likely to get better as it goes along. I still see Bones eventually catching him with something he didn’t see coming and getting the TKO.
i agree
yeah i’ll have to agree with you on that one, jon jones tko or UD but still a good fight
Rashad Cant beat jones
Jones i would say is equal to rashad in the wrestling aspect of fighting. what makes rashad effective is his speed which jones i think has more of so advantage jones. Then you have to take into account jones unorthodoxed striking so rashad would be more hesitant to shoot in for the take down he took rampage down cause rampage doesnt throw kicks and rashad hasnt fought a wrestler like jones yet besides tito and that was a draw. I say if they fought 10 times 7 of those bouts would go to jones
by Johnny Kirkland on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
Jon Bones Jones
Silva would be an interesting match-up for Jones, and could surprise Jones with one of those electrifying punches. However, I think Jon is too big, and could eventually compete up in Heavyweight at 6’4" and 205 now. Jones has showed the complete arsenal with the most devastating ground and pound in any division. Jon gets you down you are out. I don’t care if you’re on your belly or your back – you’re done.
by Michael Obrofta on Dec 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions
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