Poll: Has Shane Carwin escaped the Lesnar lynch mob?
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
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Shane Carwin has been named in open court by a federal prosecutor as a purchaser of illegal steroids. As of now, there is little we can argue for (or against) the UFC heavyweight as he has yet to make an official statement.
In addition, the MMA media has been surprisingly low-key in regards to its handling of this recent news. Is Shane Carwin receiving special treatment?
Would oft-maligned heavyweights Brock Lesnar and Alistair Overeem receive the same unspoken pardon? Or would the MMA media have stormed their castles and hung them in the town square?
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Doesn’t Alistair have a history with roids?
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
and this my friends
is better than any argument I could make
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, im just asking.
I thought he got popped for them before.
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
by Synyster_08 on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
imo who cares who "used" to do them....lets concentrate on who is doing them now
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Aug 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON! Hell Yeah
by Phenomenal Angel on Aug 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
easily more than 50% of the ufc's top fighters.
to catch them you would have to run serious tests every month and it doesn’t work that way, each fighter is tested maybe once every 5-6 months when they fight.
your mother !
i just worry that someone who used and didnt get caught (until now) could still be using something that isnt testable...
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No sir, so stop throwing around these blind allegations.
On another point, people need to get with the times and more importantly with science………..Legalize roids.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 18, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So everyone is on a level playing field?
The only way it would happen is if Steroids became a prescribed drug that was overseen by doctors and pharmacists. You couldn’t possibly think to leave out two of the largest lobbying groups in the country (big pharma and the AMA). They need their money too.
If that happened, you would still have the “abusers” getting them from illegal docs that need the cash for their 3rd wife’s alimony and their 4th McMansion. Nothing would change except, now, they wouldn’t test for it. Or the test could still be fooled.
As long as there is money in cheating the system, there will be people willing to circumvent the law. Human Nature 101.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
nnr i've read you say this before and i cant disagree more. even with a doctors supervision steroids can have lasting negative effects.
If you leagalize it your forceing all the athletes to take it or they wont be able to compete with the rest of there sport.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Aug 18, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
you have to watch out for the safety of the participants. If I wanted to be a worlds strongest man it would be near impossible for me to a top p[articipant if I didn’t want to do steroids. You shouldn’t have to choose between doing your job/sport and wrecking your body and health. Yes there are injuries and stuff but those are accidental not self inflicted to play.
by Edgecrusher71 on Aug 18, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesse... Alistar is one of my favorite fighters but he looks like Ronnie Coleman!!!!
Carwin lost so nobody cares about him and Brock is a house hold name…both guys are 5x more popular than Carwin, its all about how much people care…and because nobody seems to care is not a good sign for Carwin’s career…
M1 stated they believe he was taking roids and they requested a test before the signed the contract to fight last year.
Alistair refused and this is why the fight was never set up. Brock is the biggest name in america were the media would be all over it. Hell when Brock stated the Canadaina Helath Care was like a third world the media and fans went crazy! Overeem would be the least surprising.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Good point, Syn. Also, Brock's socks have more charisma and personality than Carwin so it would be a much bigger deal with Brock. Not to mention the tiny fact that he is the UFC HW Champion.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
To the average, casual MMA fan - no doubt.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
For the hardcores - not so much. The media is filled with massive morons so I automatically assume that they clamor around Brock.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yea as in giving him one more successful title defense
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
LOL Agree Hella
Roberto is a wishful thinker, but he has looked foolish when predicting Brock fights LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yeah. He will turn around, bend over, and tell Brock : "you know what to do"
And Brock’s response?
Promptly insert foot into Brown Pride ass.
i've been surprised we havnt been discussing this more. maybe if he had beaten lesnar it would have blown up faster.
saw that carwin tweeted yesterday that he wants to address the issue but has been advised not to….
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
I personally don't give a rats ass
but, it all depends on when Lesnar was busted. Allistair wouldn’t create as much of a stir over here since most casuals are not too familiar with him. Brock, it would certainly get some attention, more so if this was something recent. But, in the end, MLB has turned this into an expected outcome for professional athletes.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
From the sourced article:
Shane Carwin, a former NCAA Division II wrestling champion who went on to become an Ultimate Fighting heavyweight champion.
Morons can’t get their facts straight, so maybe that’s why noone else is picking it up. Whole thing might be bullshit for all I know.
However, I am all about the guilty-until-proven-innocent approach with MMA and steroids. Olympic testing for everyone should be a prerequisite to sanctioning anything as long as they are illegal. Or just legalize all steroids and give everyone an equal opportunity.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
In their defense
He was Interim Heavyweight Champion
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
true that. I so strongly disregard the whole "interim" concept, I didn't even remember
Still they should specify imo.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
he how r you
long time no speak… please tell me or anyone when this overeem steroid abuse would have happened?? when were these so called pop moments would have take place??
by Ubereem Delta on Aug 18, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I clicked the first option
it’s to the point now that I feel they should just use them (I know I know). I mean HGH isn’t getting tested for anyways so anyone who fails a test is a moron. Ive heard guys say that they feel 80-90% of athletes are or have used PEd’s, so it’s pretty widespread to say the least!
For me it's all about when..
When did he ALLEDGEDLY purchase the HGH or roids, or did someone else purchase and provide them to him.He may have even taken them without knowing what exactly it was that he was taking. Trainers provide supplements to their atheletes all the time, and the athelete is not always aware of what their taking. Bottom line is, if all this took place a long time ago, or even prior to his MMA career then who cares. Everyone makes mistakes.
I agree but...
If he didn’t purchase them, wouldn’t he be screaming from the rooftops? That’s usually what innocent people do
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point...but again..
It’s not like he failed a drug tust before or after any of his fights in the UFC. Would be totally different subject if he did.
Yeah I don't want to make an accusation
He may have taken them to rehab an injury and never touched them again, but I guess the lengthy silence makes it seem like they’re trying to figure out what to say
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, the silence makes also seems incriminating to me, but at the same time, if it's a legal issue, and your attorney's tell you not to say anything, you don't say anything.
Of course that seems like a very convenient excuse as well.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I know for a fact that silence is used as a buffer to plan legal strategies or admit guilt without officially declaring it.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Jesse, you are fine making an accusation.
Shane isnt innocent on this one.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you seem to be the only one even remotely close to shane saying this
Everyone else is mum.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
If people knew what was going on a few years back
They wouldnt be giving Shane the benefit of the doubt. I am surprised it took this long to name him in a government report, they arrested and prosecuted a huge dealer in Colorado a few years ago and he gave up alot of names in the hearings, etc.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
for such a big scary dude
with what seems to be a very interesting choice of careers (fighting and engineering), his history does seem to be a mystery to most. I don’t really know anything about the guy beyond a few wrestling tidbits, his camp, and his record.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
If you are innocent then you defend your name. Period.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Quick! Puck come tell him that it was legal supplements!
Who cares that it was HGH, it was LEGAL!
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
What about this? Brock used roids in the WWE. Has he been linked today like Carwin? Nope.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
My point is everyone makes mistakes.
So, why the big to do about nothing.
Mistakes are not intentional. Mistake is a misnomer in this case and only serves the purpose of EXCUSE.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Did you not read the article?
The cops presumed him guilty before the facts came out. They made the mistake, and I believe the same thing is happening to Carwin. He’s having to prove his innocence rather than being presumed innocent and making the media/cops prove his guilt.
I read the article two or three years ago, I missed your point.
I thought you meant the “mistake” of taking steroids. Those mistakes only happen when you have been relegated to making a public service announcement. ;)
Sorry for the confusion.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
As a rebuttal...
The police, in Brock’s situation, had the drugs in hand and f’ed it up.
The attorney general got Carwin’s name from a known dealer’s records that he was a purchaser. His name is already in state’e evidence as a purchaser.
One is circumstantial evidence, one is real evidence. Circumstantial evidence is inadmissable in court, as we all know (thank you Night Court!)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Oh...got ya.
I can see how my point could be misinterpreted.
He useed in WWE? Was there evidence to suggest it?
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They all do. Who cares though?
The next Heavyweight Champion of the UFC(therefore the world), Junior Dos Santos.
Well I Cant Imagine Every One Of Those Guys
used it. I mean majority maybe but I have to think that some of those guys are natural guys.
by AintNoSunshine on Aug 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hang 'em!
Hit with a trafficking in controlled substances charge, Lesnar was exonerated when tests showed that the seized pills were not, in fact, steroids. While a Louisville detective told TSG that the material was some kind of growth hormone, Lesnar’s defense attorney, Scott Cox, characterized the confiscated pills as a ‘vitamin type of thing.’ According to Cox, officers seemed ‘very apologetic’ when lab results cleared Lesnar. It is unclear how investigators concluded that the parcel sent to Lesnar may have contained illicit substances.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
“Vitamin type of thing” — classic
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't illegal what Brock had
If it was HGH so what they were legal at the time and Brock was in the WWE anyway, as well we all know Brock is a supplement junkie and try’s the newest stuff I’m sure there are many athletes like him that have the latest and greatest and in some cases like HGH get banned then they have to change and move on.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
And to go with my above statment on the latest and greatest
I believe that many PED’s that were legal during a period of time then banned are reasons many get bustes as they never stopped taking them becasue of they couldn’t find anything close that gave them the same results. There are so many PED’s that are banned it’s mind boggling.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
there's no real proof against Carwin
just some nob head dealer naming names so he gets to see the light of day while he’s still young but all he’s achieved is the chance to get stabbed inside for being a grass
you want proof
Carwin’s silence is all the proof I need. Remember we’re talking about a purchase here and not consumption. And the court records reflect physical orders with Carwin’s name, not just some slimeballl throwing people under the bus.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is when, how often and exactly what.
Carwin probally has lawyers telling him what to exactly do right now.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If he makes any public statement that does not reflect the records already submitted as evidence, he is committing perjury on public record.
Better to shut up.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
How do you think the pharmacist got pinched
By signing off on Carwin’s order which …oh nevermind what’s the point
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s not like he was buying them for X-Pac or some other little guys!
Look at the size of Carwin during that era. He was more of an animal than he is now.
He’s guilty and we all know it, the real question is ‘How much do we care?’
Personally, I think the majority juice in some way so its hard to take a stance. I’d like to know how many were 100% natural all year long before I could give a real opinion one way or another…
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Aug 18, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know man
When I was growing upI always got accused of taking roids becasue for my size I was ripped and big I also was goi through a growth spurt that gave me stretch marks. But the honest truth is I never took any banned substance of any kind if I did I would of been caught either during wreslting tournament or football were I was tested in both more than once and I have zero idea how to beat the sytem. So to accuse guys jsut becasue they are big sounds ignorant to me but at the same time I’m not on the stage these guys are or can make the money doing what they do.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
but did a known steroid dealer get busted with evidence linking you as one of his clients?
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I'm not saying Carwin I'm saying just becaseu someone is big a ripped doesn't prove anything.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I dont disagree with that
my point tho is that he was fucking immense physically 4 years ago and hes still a beast now BUT not like he was…. Seriously.
I’m not referencing size when I talk about juicing too as some guy use just to heal and train so hard. A lot of them use the approach to it that normal people do with paracetamol and headaches…
I personally think its more ignorant to think these guys aren’t juicing. MMA is still a young sport but how many guys have pissed hot? Nevermind the many more who have beat the very weak drug testing rules. Steroids really are old fashioned and anyone doing them deserves to get caught. It’s like walking around in flared trousers and platform shoes to be hip! So dated
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Aug 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not want you on my jury.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Steroids In Sports
Come on! These behemoths are running around with necks the size of an average person’s waist and you’re telling me no one suspects that they’re juicing? Truth is everyone knows it and no one cares. If these guys want 80 inch chests and 2 inch dicks I say let ‘em have their way. Lesnar, Carwin, Overeem, eh? What about that Cyborg chick? I’m POSITIVE I saw a testicle pop out of her trunks when she landed a kick during her last matchup. Yeah, no steroid use there.
by lionjack@sbcglobal.net on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
wow
Cyborg + testicle = horrible nausea
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
worst post ever
I cannot shake this image. My god, someone stick a fork in me, actually into my eye.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
If the vision is in your eye, you have bigger problems than that!
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
You realize I am just trolling now...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Troll, huh?
I am going to start badmouthing the Murphy clan.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
My lineage goes through
McDermotts. and I don’t take kindly to no damn Murphys.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
We have you outnumbered anywhere in the world my friend...
WAR SEA WARRIORS!!
WAR MURCHADH!!
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
curious
does WAR come from Jim Rome only? Or is it referenced elsewhere? I have only heard of it because of Rome.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
same. Heard it on Rome first.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
coincidentally
my fantasy football team name is “The XR4TI Crew”
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Shane Carwin took PEDs to bulk up to become the 5th member of the Village People.
his name? The Engineer.
Dang...Looking at the picture I see why Carwin grabbed the clippers
Fedor "The Last Can Crusher" Emelianstinko finally falls at the hands of a washed up UFC Contender...the Irony:)
Lesnar Mug shot for PED's
Lesnar was arrested in 2001 for alleged steroid possession. Later charges were dropped b/c it was thought the items were vitamins but in fact they were growth hormones. Let’s be honest – almost all of them have or still do some form of PED’s. Who cares anymore!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/brock-lesnar
You forgot to point out that the growth hormone was legal at the time and many athletes were taking them
And it was allowed, add the fact he was in the WWF and those are the facts. PED’s are not all banned as there are many supplements that you can take that are considered PED’s and allowed. Like I said Before Brock is a supplement freak and has the latest and greatest, does he still take them? I wouldn’t be shocked but I also think it’s reasonable to say Brock might be taking the latest and greatest legal supplements?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Many make the mistake of thinking that PED's = Cocaine and other illegal drugs.
PED stands for PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING-DRUGS.
Another thing to point out : David Steele knows that it was legal at the time but he doesn’t let FACTS get in a way of a good HATE-RANT against Brock.
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