UFC 119: Mirko 'Cro Cop' vs Frank Mir booked for Sept. 25 with 'Minotauro' Nogueira hurt
by James Kimball on Aug 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT
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Looks like it wasn't meant to be.
The upcoming rematch between Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Frank Mir, originally scheduled for UFC 119 in Indianapolis, Indiana, has reportedly been called off after "Minotauro" was forced to withdraw from the Sept. 25 fight card due to an undisclosed injury.
Fighters Only brought word of the change in plans earlier today, and also reports that famed Croatian striker Mirko Filipovic is being tagged as "Big Nog's" replacement.
"Cro Cop" vs. Mir? No complaints here.
Nothing is official at this time, but stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more information on this developing story as it becomes available.
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Interesting
Futbol players pretend they're hurt when they're not. Football players pretend they're not hurt when they are.
why does mir look like a fat diego in that pic?
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
He looks like welter weight Diego..
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Lmao
He does look amazingly like a HW Diego
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
Its that scrunched up snarley face he's making. Diego patented that face in 2005
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by ViolentMike on Aug 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
it has to be the snarl. lol.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 15, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it is true then!
i think nog wouldve lost again anyway.i like this fight better,as long as crocop keeps it standing he should win a dec.
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
on what basis? just curious
if crocops there mentally hes better standing,mirs tds are garbage and even if he gets crocop down hes savvy enough to survive.i hope mir gets verad again!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Just because he beat the marked out Pat Barry
it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s back. Once Mir gets it to the ground it’s over.
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i dont know crocops got decent sub defence
i just hate frank mir though lol
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
I dont like Mir too much either
but there is no way he loses to Cro Cop.
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Mir will win if he uses his BJJ and does what he did to Abbot, Sylvia, and Lesnar the first time.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
I got Cro Cop.
He’s gonna punch Mir in the face once and he’ll pack it in. War Mirko. He’s not gonna fake out Cro Cop like he did to Kongo since the croatian still has his sprawl. And it’s not like Mir has a decent double or even single. It’s like all of his subs come off of guys just following him to the mat or just falling down from ahit as opposed to him taking them down.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought that submissions off the back were harder to do?
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
well out of all those guys who is known for their excellent sub defense.
But nowadays subs are harder off of the back. The thing about mir is that he goes for things as soon as they hit the mat so he catch things early and it’s not even a matter of being supertechnical when he gets things. If fact in his highlight subs, most of the things he gets are never fully locked on but he powers the shit out of them and guys tap quick from the pain. As much as i bash the man gotta give it up to his squeeze.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like my daddy always said...
“When you can’t find it, Grind it!”
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
I will say the same thing I say every Mir fight...
Cro Cop will win this if he makes it out of the first 3 minuits. Mir doesn’t have great TD’s, but I can see him pulling guard and getting somthing in the scramble. Does anyone know Mirko’s track record against south paws? I haven’t seen too much PRIDE other than on the internet and I can’t recall him facing any other lefties.
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Cro cop will be a big dog in this fight
I hope so anyway.
because i think he has got a real chance of winning this
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
Pains me to say this..
But CroCop is done.. He was done long before the barry fight.. The dude is afraid to pull the trigger.. and he doesn’t seem like he will ever get it back. Mir WILL get this to the ground, but I don’t foresee a sub. Mir via UD
Mir can't fight for 15 minuits
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Doesn't take 15minutes of fighting to win.
Meatloaf baby, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
never let hate interfere with an easy pick for the win in mir. i just hope mir is not higher than -250
but something tells me he might be higher.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree
Mir is a better all round fighter. Cro Cop probably still has the edge on the feet but I don’t think it’s by much. Mir is better every where else. Mir by rd 2 submission.
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by Chief Warrant Officer on Aug 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Crocop
Has just not looked good in a long time. Mir all day long.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Aug 15, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Age has caught up with cro cop.
Add that to the fact that he is undersized. He fights at around 225 lbs, he should cut weight and fight at LHW, that might give him a better chance of making some noise. Frank Mir is gonna walk in at 250 lbs, in a clinch and ground fight, every pound is important.
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thats exactly what i was thinking
Crocops age and size will play a big part, and i just think mir is gonna be too strong for crocop
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by robinhorobson on Aug 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir should win this easily.
Cro Cop is a shadow of what he used to be. Mir has put on alot of muscle and worked on his striking since his last fight against Lesnar. Mir is going to do to Cro Cop what he did to Kongo; a knock down and then a submission.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 15, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell Yeah!!!!
I’m excited because I actually asked Dana for this fight on twitter (lol) over and over after Cro Cop won his last fight. I’m a Cro Cop fan and I just think he matches up well with Mir because Mir doesn’t have great takedowns. I’ll be glad to see Cro Cop get a big name win for the 1st time in a while! WAR CRO COP!!!
Does that mean you were an injury replacement for Joe Silva??
Everyone does seem to be falling to injuries. I guess the front office wouldn’t be immune.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Aug 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
food for thought
If cro cop beats Mir then i’d like him to face Nelson or Couture
Interesting...
Cro Cop vs. Couture would be one of those super fights that we were wishing for back in the Pride days. Main event material for sure IMO.
I would love to see Cro Cop vs Couture, but I don't think Mirko will beat Mir.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
Let get Mir vs Nelson going and Couture vs Cro Cop. That would be a good start to a fight card.
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by Chief Warrant Officer on Aug 15, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt think he'd beat Barry either
The fact with the UFC is, Crop Cop comes in and beats Mir….why risk Cro Cop in another match why not let him get a shot. Its business people and Cro Cop made a hge decisio today!
I have to give Cro Cop credit for taking a fight against a top heavy wieght.
But I just don’t see him winning. Mir is not some pillow handed pansy like some of you guys are infering. He caught Kongo early in the first round and he knocked out Nogueira, he might not be an explosive striker but he can hold his own against an old man.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
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im not buying it
he caught kongo cold yh but danago wouldve beat big nog that night.mirs combos in that fight were laughable jab step in uppercut with zero lateral movement and his chin in the air.mirs standup is shit hell even brock outboxed him!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
If by out boxed him you mean got caught with a Muay Thai Knee and had to force a take down in the second round then yeah.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
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the 1st fight he dropped him with a jab didnt he?
ok outboxed was the wrong word im just alluding to the fact mirs standup is garbage
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Mirs stand up was bad b4, and he kicked the leg and fell down he was’nt rocked or anything,..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Mir's standup still sucks
He has no upper body movement, his footwork really doesn’t count but for some reason people think good footwork means either hopping around for no reason or constantly switching your lead foot.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If he actually threw a head kick then it would be important.
When I kickboxed in high school they used to make us to 30 mins of foot work exercises every day.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
He did throw a head kick agaist big nog, but I get what your saying..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Also he did a trip against Nog..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
It's the knees......Nog's knees are completely gone.
It pains me to watch his movement. I was cringing when Cain was leg kicking him. And it’s crazy because it’s usually wrestlers who lose their knees first.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His stand up does still suck
I love how people attribute his Kongo win to his striking. He rocked him yes but he didnt knock him out he subbed him and as for NOG well many factors but he is obviously not the man he used to be. Mir thinking his striking was better than it is got him humiliated by Lesnar and Carwin.
Mir needs to do the smart thing and pull gaurd if he can against CC that is a guaranteed win for him against anyone not named Cain, Brock or Shane
I'm taking Cro Cop
Enough defensive wrestling to avoid Mir’s submission game (yes, I understand it’s dangerous), and Mir is susceptible to striking. I see Mir trying to clinch and Cro Cop pushing him to range and peppering him with strikes.
Run away, Nog. Run Away.
Noguiera didn’t want his ass beat down just like the last time so he fakes an injury. No surprise, or what if it isn’t fake? The dumb ass has taken so many blows to the head that he might suffer an aneurism just from breaking wind. That’s what happens when your main strategy in the octagon is to beat up the other guy’s hands with your face.
by lionjack@sbcglobal.net on Aug 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Your a fucking idiot
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
double this.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
What..
A waste of a comment…
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I agree
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by Chief Warrant Officer on Aug 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
CroCrap in the main event? What a JOKE
The guy lost to Kongo of all people and has looked like shit ever since…
If anyone thinks this is even close to a worthy main or co main event or that crocrap has a chance in hell to win, youre stupid.
Eye poked al-turk who was what 0-3 in the ufc before getting cut?
Got knocked down and pretty much tooled for as long as there was a fight by Barry who lost to hague who was what? 1-2 in the ufc before cut?
Ooops, forgot about the epic win over the LEGEND and future UFC CHAMP “The Hippo” over there in Australia.
LoL.
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
Well the records should’nt be all you look at, and i don’t think this match should be the main event, though I think this is an awesome fight, just me though..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I think this will be an interesting fight...
A world class K1 kickboxer vs a BJJ Blackbelt. But i just don’t see how Cro Cop can bear Mir once the fight goes to the ground.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
How does Mir get it to the mat?
His wrestling is shoddy at best.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pull guard, trip him, push him against the fence and switch levels for a td. Theres plenty of ways to get it down, and besides Cro Cop may be nervious about the TD so he won’t see the punch comming, sucks to see one of them lose..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Yea but one that he can actually do......
when have you seen Mir do any of those things? If you can name a single fight where he did those aside from pulling guard. Then i will give in. You can however say he gets a knockdown and follows him.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I can hope he comes with a better game plan then he did against Carwin, I could see him pushing Cro Cop against the fence and shooting, its not totally out of the question..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I think he learned his lesson against Carwin.
After the Nogueira fight he thought he was a striker, and Lesnar and Carwin showed him he wasn’t. He needs to work on take downs, either shoots or throws/trips and get the fight to the ground.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
I think, hes should strike with wrestlers and hurt them and force them to take him down, land in guard and work subs. And against strikers go for takedowns and strike when he needs to, kinda strange how he does’nt do that..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I am the biggest Mir fan in the world.
But yeah, he is too cocky for his own good. He needs to work off the other guys weaknesses while playing to his strength. He is supposed to have black belts in Kempo and BJJ but you would know it by the way he fights. His submissions are solid but his striking and grappling aren’t the greatest.
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He should strike with wrestlers to get them to take him down and land in guard?
He will never beat Lesnar that way. That is how he got owned in their 2nd fight.
If Mir does win this fight which he should who does he fight then. They are not going to give him someone in the top 5 for beating CC, Nelson maybe? Maybe Carwin although Mir really should not want that. I feel for Mir because he has the ego of a champ and just does not have the physical attributes to get him there in the modern MMA HW stable.
Nelson's beaten Mir already
I read somewhere that Big Country subbed Mir in a straight Jits tourney.
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Well he better give Randy Couture a call and learn how to do it.
Just because he doesn’t do it doesn’t mean he can’t. Plus Frank was 255 lbs in his last fight, Mirko was 225 lbs approx, that kind of weight advantage can help you when in a clinch or up against the cage. When push comes to shove, Frank will get the fight to ground when he needs to. It would be moronic to not work on take downs when fighting against a K1 kickboxer.
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Well it better be a good fight. I bought floor seats for this event.
The UFC better get it done…This will be my first live event..I was looking forward to it.
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
excited
I’m excited to see how this fight turns out. Mir better hope to god he doesn’t lose this fight though. He’ll take a huge step back with a lose to Crocop. I would love to see Mir finished again… I’d give anything for a head kick KO!!!
Mir gonna take down Cro Cop and sub him??
Josh Barnett couldn’t in 3 fights, but Mir who is a terrible wrestler can? I wouldn’t be surprised if Mir backs out of this fight now. And since Randy will prolly beat up Toney without breaking much of a sweat… it may end up being Randy vs. Cro Cop. I don’t want this to happen bec I can’t stand Mir and think he’s 1 of the most overrated fighters of all time, and I’m a longtime Cro Cop fan, but realize he can’t beat any of the top wrestlers or JDS that rule the top of the HW div right now. I’d just like to see Cro Cop get a big win vs. a “name” UFC HW, and I think Mir is tailor made 4 him to KO. Plus, if Mir does get him down? Cro Cop’s BJJ has improved so much over the years and Mir’s BJJ is overrated so I don’t think Mir could finish Cro Cop by sub anyways.
WAR Cro Cop!!
Well to be fair..
Steroids fought Cro Cop in his prime and back then it was abitch trying to take him down, no days it may not be as hard for a big guy like Mir..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Mir will probably have 30 lbs on Cro Cop walking into the fight, that should help out alot.
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This saved nog fans the agony of a second loss.
Nog is done and never was top tier IMHO.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
Watch out..
you about to get raped with angry comments haha..
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- Matthew 16:26
Not angry just common sense
His post was lacking some
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm prepared for it. Nuthuggers will always hate, but fights don't lie.
Mir owned nog and I havnt been impresses with him in a long time. He can take a beating, but that is about it.
And I believe the staff story as much as I believe the Anderson rib story. That camp has nothing but excuses and phantom illnesses when they take a beating.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
1st off nobody is arguing nog as a top fighter now.. He's obviously not the same fighter he was in pride
2nd what is you deff of top tier?? Cause nog has 32 wins and only 6 losses, and those losses are to guys like Fedor x 2, Henderson, barnett in the pride days… And recently mir and valesquez.
Wins over Dan Henderson, Mark Coleman, Heath Herring, Ricco Rodriguez, Josh Barnett, Mirko “Cro Cop”, Tim Sylvia, Randy Couture, Sergei Kharitonov, Semmy Schilt, Fabricio Werdum, etc…
Your right fights dont lie… Nog in the day was a beast, impossible to finish good boxing and a world class submission game… So what wasn’t top tier about big nog?
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
His wrestling isn’t top tier, but other then that he was always a solid fighter..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
His wrestling wasn't great but his sub game usually made up for it.. Plus he had great sweeps
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't need wrestling because of his BJJ, he was comfretable on his back.
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Now that you’ve mentioned Nog vs Cro Cop, both said they would be happy with a rematch… Who knows if Nog can survive another year and Cro Cop doesn’t retire, maybe it would be a good fight to watch. What do u think?
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
Word.
I would still like to see it
Neither is the same fighter from the 1st time they fougt but i still think it would be a good fight.. Who knows how much either guy has left though…. If mir beats mirko pretty bad i could see him retiring.. Would hate to see him go out like that though..
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
half the guys you named are natural 205 fighters or less in the case of hendo..
semmy schilt has no ground game, and the rest of the wins were not that impressive. i’m sorry, but the guy just doesn’t impress me. mir didn’t whoop his ass because iof staph, mir crushed him because he has more talent.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Then by your account who is top tier?
Is mir?
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
mir, brock, carwin, cain, jds is on the line, overroids, and fedor.
big country knocks out big nog guaranteed! and i think brett rogers would finish him now also. nog is barely a gatekeeper anymore.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Again dude were not talking about Big Nog being a top guy right now
Its very hard to argue that he wasn’t a top guy in pride.
And you haven’t, you just say “the rest of the wins aren’t that impressive to me.”
Fedor is the only loss in pride that nog didn’t revenge. And he beat everyone one else! So by your account fedor was the only “top” fighter in pride?
Mir has lost to guys like brandon vera and marcio cruz.. And good guys like brock and shane. And has wins over tank abbot, hardonk, kongo, and a very green brock.. How is that resume better than Big nogs?
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
give mur a chance. he still has a carreer ahead of him, nog's is finished.
i think brock and shane are two of the best right now so i don’t hold that against mir. i don’t count his wins over bloated lwh/mw fighters as being impressive, no matter how impressive they were at the time. he was good, but hasn’t done squat since coming to the ufc to impress me.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Your obviously set in your stance so ill just leave it at this
You have to understand time’s change and some fighter’s get better while others fighters fall off.
Of course mir still has a career ahead of him, while mir is only 3 years younger than nog, nog has had 3 times the fight’s mir has.. Those wars add up. Mir has never been in a war, cause his chin cant take the punishment.
And mir lost to cruz and vera in the middle of his career, while the only bad losses in nogs came at the end.
Nog’s a legend and is considered a great fighter by many.. Its safe to say your in the minority with your opinion.
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by Red Eye Jedi on Aug 15, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir’s losses to Cruz and Vera came after he came back from MAJOR RECONSTRUCTIVE KNEE SURGURY after he was in a motorcycle accident where the doctor told him he MIGHT NEVER WALK AGAIN. I’ll give him a mulligan on those fights considering he is lucky to be able to walk.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
Schilt is a good submission fighter
And the only 205 guys are Hendo and Coleman, dipshit.
“the rest of the wins were not that impressive”
Josh Barnett? Cro Cop? Ricco? Sergei? Sylvia? Couture?
You’re an idiot.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
couture isn't the natural at 205!???? ha,ha,ha,ha, and you called me an idiot. :)
when those two fought the only thing i noticed was that randy taged him often. if nog fights anyone with any power he is going to sleep. the rest of the wins aren’t that impressive to me.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
RANDY FOUGHT NOG AT 265 DUMBASS!
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
again, what is randy's natural wieght class???
shit that is like saying james toney is a natural hw. get the fuck out of here.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy started in the UFC at 265, then went to 205 then back to 265 and so on.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
stop saying 265 like randy ever wieghed that. if you can easily make 205 then it is your natural wieght.
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by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 15, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He held the title at Heavy Weight, so how exactly can he not be considered a true heavy weight???
There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
"I was in the moment, and the moment said smack you." - Bruce Willis
this is just a ridiculous conversation
Mir is/was a top tier heavyweight, but Big Nog never was. Everyone should have just stopped reading right there.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Mir should win this, easily
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Easy win for Mir
i say mir wins by submission, i doubt Cro cop will be able to knock mir out or stop his take downs/ subs. i hate to see cro cop retire on bad note but i think he will
Terrible mismatch.
Mir by anything. Crocop is a big punching bag.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
by freenow82 on Aug 15, 2010 6:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You should change your sig to “Fedor wishes he could dodge triangles”, haha just messing man, whats sad is how they act like the UFC wants him still when he needs UFC more then they need him, I still hate wedium though..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Easy win for the cop.
Mir WILL NOT get this fight to the ground. This is Mirko’s fight to lose.
The next Heavyweight Champion of the UFC(therefore the world), Junior Dos Santos.
I think..
Mir takes this, hes got alot more tools then Crop Cop, though I feel like the real loser because I like Cro Cop on a win streak and I hate watching Mir on losses..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Considering the insane difficulty of getting Mirko down
Apparent newfound confidence, and three victories over the similar Josh Barnett, I’m taking the cop by TKO. Mir simply won’t be able to get it to the ground and will get decked by a straight left hand.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
by Johnny WF on Aug 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i know mirko will be cautious with his kicks due to the danger of a takedown but i really hope he fires those tree trunks of his off. I don’t want him to be so conservative. And Mir’s takedowns are only so/so
"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"
Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Really sucks that Big Nog got hurt
since I really wanted to see that matchup. Mir vs. Cro Cop’s gonna be really awesome to watch, though, so I’m not really complaining. Right now, I think Mir can take Cro Cop, but I’ll have to think about that a bit more.
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Of course he can't fight...
He joined some mom&pop military on a small South American Island, and I think he was wounded by a much smaller british guy.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Cro cop via ass kicking!!!
Mirko gots this 1 locked! I hope big nog gets MIT after this tho.
by d*locc on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if....
cro cop wins, that puts him in title contention right!? hopefully, even though he is getting old i would love to see cro cop get the belt again, even though its probably not likely
i was just gonna ask the same thing. Where would this put cro cop? And what would the outlook for mir be if he loses/wins??
"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"
Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Its a very good possiblity
Lets examine this:
Roy Nelson even though he lost to Dos Santos the fight was hard fought and still shows Nelson is a legit guy.
JDS-Basically is the number 1 contender after Cain becuase, he has nothing to prove.
Cain-Facing broc
Carwin-Hes a fight away but, this steroid stuff may affect how Dana does business with him at this time
Mir is not a draw imo and cro cop is. IF Cro Cop beats Mir i see him facing either Randy Couture (cuz thats a fight Randy’;s wanted) or Nelson i see a shot in his future. And i understand that Cain/Brock are superior wrestlers and JDS beat him soundly but, Cro Cop is such a deadly striker that it is very possible he can stop anyone.
Fuck yeah.......Keep em coming Punisher.Love these positive Cop posts...
WAR MIRKO FILIPOVIC!!!!!
I like fighting.
The problem with Cro Cop is he has the same style since his Pride days
Yes he has a strikers chance but how the fighters have evovlved and CC has shown weakness in his game and has not changed I don’t think he will have much of a chance. We should get to see NOG and Mir 2 later in the year
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cro Cop is yet another tragic case
of a well-rounded fighter who doesn’t know he’s well-rounded and relies too heavily on his signature move. If he would just get in there and fight instead of waiting for the opportunity to throw that LHK, he could still be very dangerous. The guy has bricks in both gloves, solid top control, great Jits defense, devastating leg kicks & knees….but he only uses that stuff when he’s caught in a tight spot. Otherwise he’ll circle all night waiting for a chance to throw that high kick.
Other examples of well-rounded fighters who’ve gotten to stuck in one-dimensional habits:
GSP
Rampage
Hendo
Vitor
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Page Hendo and Vitor I agree with
GSP is great at takedown and the ground game and no one is able stop him so we don’t get to see the other side becasue he is so effective the other guys you mention have lost or not done as well becasue of being one dimensional.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Still a solid bout;
I feel almost like 119 is a lackluster card, but thats really just due to the marvellous fights theyve put on arounds it. Oh and unfortunately I definitely see Mir winning this unless CC can quicken his stand up again.
Should be a good fight
Both fighters are on the downside of their career are are desperate to win and stay relevant.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
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