Cain Velasquez: 'I'm used to competing against guys that are as big as Brock Lesnar'
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
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"I'm in shape now, so it pretty much doesn't matter to me either. (I'm) just staying ready, and that's pretty much it, just have to find out when we fight. [Training has] been good, just getting a lot of technical stuff down, really working technique with my coaches. Trying to improve in stuff that I think I need improvement on. I think it's been good. I think I match up well. He's definitely a bigger guy and also really powerful, but I think I've trained and wrestled guys that are his size, so I'm used to competing against guys that are that big. I'm just excited for this opportunity."
Undefeated UFC heavyweight number one contender Cain Velasquez is ready and waiting for the Zuffa brass to inform him of his date with destiny as he becomes the latest fighter to try and upend current division champion Brock Lesnar. Despite a significant weight advantage for the champ, the AKA standout doesn't sound too concerned about their difference in size. Will his past wrestling exploits lead him to victory? Or will he be victimized by an ever-improving Lesnar?
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Depending on the odds
I’ll have to bet big on Brock here, I just can’t see Cain pulling this off.
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
I don't know, if you go back to the thread after he beat Carwin
He got a lot of criticism for how the 1st rd. went down. It’ll be interesting to see what they come in at.
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that's only 'cause Carwin A-bombed his ass. Cain don't hit anywhere near as hard as that.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
I agree
But I’m hoping the odds makers don’t see it that way
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah
My bad.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
There's gonna be a lot of people betting against Lesnar. You might be able to get some good numbers OD
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Betting against God? Are you crazy?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
oops for some reason I thought u were worby. must have scrolled down as i was typing.
haha of course you wouldn’t bet against him
Bullets dodge Fedor.
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Me and Jay look the same, we get that all the time.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course, all Canadians look alike. Except for Sarah. She’s hot.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
where is sarah, that slut.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha jk :D
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow guys, -450?
the odds came out yesterday and started at -120 for brock and -105 for cain. They are now at -140 and +105, so you guys are just a bit off. I see no way Cain wins this fight, but if I were you I’d hop on it now, Brock will be getting a lot of action and the line will be moving. I’m hearing october for this fight
Crazy, I just checked also. I will be shipping a lot of money on the Brock line, currently at -150
Brock Lesnar -155 -150 -150
Cain Velasquez +125 +120 +120
Thats from www.bestfightodds.com for 3 different sites. This is one of those times when I am happy about being completely wrong!
Bullets dodge Fedor.
This is good time for you guys to bet on Cain
He WILL be the Champion after this fight.
It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t have One Punch Knockout power. He will land several big bombs and Brock will go down
You guys are forgetting how nick diaz fights. He throws lots and lots of weak punches but they add up and he ends up winning.
I’m a Brock fan but an ever bigger Cain Fan.
I guess I’ll be happy no matter who wins. :)
My avatar has Fedor's face of death. :D
good time?
the odds are only going to get better for Cain. If ur betting Cain, I’d wait until fight day, I guarantee a ton of money will be coming in on Brock, I predict the odds to go up to 2/1
I think it'll be closer to
-300 Brock +350 Cain.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
typo?
Also, I don’t think they will swing quite that much.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
I agree
thats why I told everyone to wait, betting now (if betting on Cain) is dumb, the odds will be minimum 2/1 but more than likely 3/1+
Everyone who is considering Brock, please start BETTING.
Remember this is the best opportunity for you guys before the line is worthless. For those of you who have never gambled – it’s a great trial run especially if you like his game – do a simple moneyline bet on the man not good to wait until right before the fight as mentioned before.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also i agree with freenow,
Cain might even be higher at the rate it’s moving right now. Especially when the UFC hype machine and countdowns are in full gear.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
dont worry nnr, your line will jump. You are however 100% correct, if you’re going to bet on Brock, you should do it now, these are going to be the best odds you get!
now is the time to bet velasquez.
i mean he will only be giving up 40 pounds come fight time. maybe cain can get lesnar in crucifix position. wager online and in las vegas. thank you
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 9, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
I give Cain a better chance than Carwin
Cain has better wrestling than Carwin and his cardio is off the charts – as opposed to Carwin’s – whose cardio is as existent as the Miami Heat’s 12th man.
Cain just could be the best HW in the UFC Many fighters believe this. Perhaps they know what they are talking about. If Cain and Brock were equal size (like how Carwin is same size as Brock), Cain would win this fight 10 times out of 10. I’ve bet and won on Brock his last 4 fights (and lost on the 1st Mir fight), but against Cain, with odds of +250 or better, I AM TAKING CAIN!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Almost every fighter took Carwin over Lesnar as well
Their opinion(s) is/are worthless.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Many guys that are not a fan of a fighter or even neutral pick the underdogs
It goes that way in every sport, so if you are thinking of betting for Brock wait a couple days the odds will most likely be a bit better.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm not talking about just since the Brock/Carwin fight. I'm talking about for the past 2 years.
I don’t think (and actually doubt) the majority of fighters are saying that Cain will beat Brock, but I do think that when asked who is the MOST SKILLED HW in the UFC, the most common response is Cain.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
PLUS Chael Sonnen said Cain is the best so it MUST be true! lol
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
I know most fighters have commented exactly what you're saying
they haven’t said he’d beat Brock, they said he was the most skilled. And I think I mentioned this before but I’ll say it again:
Cain may not have been a D1 champ, but his brackets were tougher than Brock’s were. Also, Brock was almost beat in the finals by Wes Hands who is about the same size as Cain (235-240 range). Cain might not have a cement bags for hands like Carwin but I believe his technique is better and his movement is on another level than Carwin’s. Plus Cain has a gas tank that SEEMS to be unmatched in the HW division. Finally, i can’t stop emphasizing enough how important it is to come in with a good gameplan and stick to it. Cain has learned and mastered this.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Have you ever watched the National Championships in wrestling? Nobody ever blows the other guy out and it usually comes down to 1 point and a lot of times its an overtime 1 point from an escape.
Plus
“Cain may not have been a D1 champ, but his brackets were tougher than Brock’s were. Also, Brock was almost beat in the finals by Wes Hands who is about the same size as Cain”
How does anyone know what bracket was tougher? And isn’t it better to ‘almost’ lose the final yet win instead of never making it to the finals like little Cain?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
What do you mean how do you know who has the tougher bracket?
The same way you know who’s had the tougher competition in MMA. You watch the level of talent.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
That's what I mean, One.
Did you actually watch all their matches or are you rewriting history here without first hand knowledge of all of Brocks 111 opponents?
If you watched all of Brokcs and Cains matches I will agree that Brock had an easier route, but if you’re just reading stats I will stick with records and accomplishments.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Well I didn't watch 111 matches
but I have a friend that’s a big time wrestling fan…he wrestled for the university of Oklahoma and he has A LOT of Brock’s videos since he wrestled him at some point. (don’t ask me when). And he knows about pretty much all of his matches. Also, he has a few videos of Cain’s matches and really knows a lot of his career simply cause he’s a fan.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
That is interesting
But I will have to stick with my belief that Brock fought great competition on his way to winning the title.
I mean, your friend did LOSE to him. He might not be the one to ask about Brock. Know what I mean? sour grapes are a possibility.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
their college wrestling from over 10 yrs ago (in Brock's case) has no impact on the fight
I never got that! Bring up they were college wrestlers, ok, great, then bring up their accomplishments in REAL mma fights, thats what’s relevant.
Yeah I can agree with that Kevin. Brock is the more “accomplished” wrestler but the both wrestled on the same stage and were both very good. So they both have similiar skill sets. Brock uses strength, Cain uses speed so I guess we will see which wins in the end. With some punches thrown in for good measure.
I think Cain is faster just because he is smaller. I agree he is quick, when he shoots, for his size.
You're not betting Brock are you VM?
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeh thats easy money
BJ is going to be back in Cali training and Marv is back! Bad news for Frankie. I will be betting the house.
I agree with KevJack here...
Brock does not move like he is 280lbs. Which is one of his major advantages. I would venture to say he his takedown explosion is as fast as or close any wrestler in mma going down to 205 and maybe some of the 185’s. He comes in super quick and with the strength and mass behind it, there is verly little option but to go down.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Brock’s only major loss in Wrestling came to one of the best heavyweight college wrestlers that I have ever seen, Stephen Neal. Dude was a beast I think he could have been crazy good at MMA if he hadnt went to the NFL. I saw alot of Brock’s matches live and he did not win because of size. In those days most of the guys were all about the same size anyway there were strength differences though.
Well actually he sings Brock's praises
Talks about how he went in thinking about using his speed against Brock and Brock running circles around him.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
jay ima go against my judgement
here but you want to do a sig bet for 2 weeks? I got cain over lesnar
Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,
by the chubbster on Jul 9, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I may have just promised it to IrishMikey.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I def don't need it for 2 months...
Lesnar losing to Cain would be payment enough if it happens lol.
I’ll take your sig for 1 week ;o)
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
whatever you decide at that time
1 week or 2 months, doesn’t matter because I can’t lose this one. :)
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
they won't get that high. on spike they will show velasquez quick ko of noguiera and wager on him.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 9, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain throws pillows compared to Carwin
Only chance is to hold down Brock Kongo style for 5 rounds.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
no. and neither does freenow ;)
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well i figured since i am/was you/me...
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not his only chance...
Cain looks better EVERY time he fights. When he was fighting big Nog I was literally in the middle of saying how he can’t knock anyone out based off how he hit Kongo 100 times and Kongo didn’t have a mark on him…. then boom Nog goes out….
Now I am not saying he can 1 punch knock Lesnar out. And I know Big Nog is past his prime but you have to give him credit for how he is getting better technically with his punches and he seems to have more power everytime he throws fists…. Now combo that with the fact that anyone & everyone who has seen him fight or train says he can swing non-stop for 25 minutes easily and not get gassed and you never know what could happen….
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
“everyone who has seen him fight or train says he can swing non-stop for 25 minutes easily and not get gassed”
-Are you talking about Cain or Shane? The exact same thing was said about both.
No one is saying he will gas or that he doesn’t have better boxing than Brock. Nobody is even saying Cain punches like a HW version of Bisping(they should say it but they aren’t). What I am saying is Cain is too small to beat Brock and not strong enough to stop the wrestling of Brock.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I dunno...
I just don’t see this as a walk through the park like you do. People said it about Shane but he literally never showed there was a chance of it because he never entered the 2nd round…
Cain fought Kongo and it was takedown after takedown and nonstop punches and controlling. And before it gets said I know Kongo is probably the worst wrestler in the HW division but Cain still was moving and fighting for 15 mins straight which is WAY more then Shane ever showed he could do.
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
Cain was on queer street everytime Kongo touched him.
I didn’t think Brock was going to walk through Shane at all. I knew Shane was his biggest test. I’m totally confident this fight will be a cake-walk, if I’m wrong come find me after the fight. You can own my sig and pic for 2 months. You don’t even have to put your sig up, I just know this fight won’t be close.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Haha
Sounds good man ;o)
Excited to see what happens that’s for damn sure.
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
I might forget by then, so remind me. It's easier to remember the bets you win than it is to remember the bets you lose.
I have no problem with whatever you want to use either. I have never been so confident in a fight in my life. Except GSP/Serra 1 and Fedor/Werdum, and those fights didn’t exactly go the way I thought they would LOL.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
2 biggest upsets of all time.
Yea I see your point ;o)
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
Cains Chin
seems to be suspect. I won’t say this will be easy for Brock at all, but I would not bet against him here.
Your sig is safe Jay
I would not be worried at all Jay. Everyone thinks that endurance is the way to beat Lesnar now that he beat Carwin after he gassed. Endurance would of been the way for Carwin to beat him this last time around but Cain doesnt have nearly the tools Carwin had. Cain is substantially smaller making it easier for Lesnar to get the takedown, doesnt hit nearly as hard those people comparing his striking to Carwins should check it again he KOed NOG but I NOG is really a shell of who he used to be, Cain’s wrestlng is not nearly as established as Carwin Kongo the worst wrestler in the HW division could not be held down by Cain and besides NOG and Rothwell is also not known for his wrestling.
I understand people want to hype Cain because they want Lesnar to lose but this fight will be about superior physical ability, athleticism and wrestling. In typical Lesnar style it is either a gnp stoppage or submission midway through the second, but unlike last fight Cain will be on the bottom struggling to get away in the first round.
Carwin has great cardio
what people who have never competed or been in a fight don’t realize is that if you have that adrenaline burst, you usually will stiffen up and/or cramp really bad before you recover. I experienced this one time in high school. I usually could control my adrenaline very well (as I’m sure Carwin usually can), but I was in one particular fight, I went nuts, the fight went on for about 7-10 min. when I got pulled of the guy, I could barely stand. I had basketball practice immediately after, I could barely move for almost 30 min after the fight. It’s not something you can train for or be ready for, it just happens. It has nothing to do with cardio…common sense will tell you that training and building your cardio is a lot different than the actual fight
That maybe true Kev...
The only problem I had with that was I am confident he didnt stiffen until the break between rounds and like Brock said…. you could literally see his punches getting softer and softer so it just looked like he was starting to gas before he stiffened out.
I do think it was the adren dump that killed him but it just looked like he was starting to gas before it.
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
he stiffened when the action stopped..sure...
but he dumped ALL of his energy into those first 3 min. that’s why Brock could LITERALLY feel the punches getting weaker. Carwin threw all composure out the window and just put everything into punching Brock’s arms.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
agreed
in the fight i was talking about (my fight) at the end i was literally just putting my fists up and down with no power at all, it was 100% an adrenaline dump!
Shane Should Have Remained Composed
And picked his shots. Win round one without dumping his energy. Come out round two and it would have been a stoppage victory.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In round two
if he would have had a similar situation the ref would have stopped it since Brock would have shown no ability to mount any offense and not protect himself. It would have been over after a single warning in the second
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at a friend's house and his entire family was there
including small children. He’s a very casual MMA fan; i think this was the first UFC ppv he’s ever bought. And as soon as Brock started running, I jumped up yelling and cussin at the TV. When Brock went down and Shane was dumping all his energy all I could gell was “don’t muther fucking gas you son of a bitch”. After the round, I could see all eyes on me lol.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
LOL
I bet the kids learned a few new words. I can picture the looks on their faces..
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Hey Jay.. I recovered this
Are you so good at that submission that you can do it in your sleep?
Because one punch in you’re gonna need it.
“Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
“One time my wrist watch stopped from fear”. ~ Cro Cop.
by jay. on Jul 8, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
What sort of strike are you putting me to sleep with?
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I would have to choose at the time. If you are short enough for the RHK than that is what I will use. If you are taller than me a RBK. Whichever, they both work well.
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
RBK=Right Ball Kick
Don’t forget your cup when you mix it up with me.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Jay's like 4'11
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay looks up if he talks to Joe Pesci
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
did i seriously say gell and not correct it?
lol yell*
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
i don't care who you are if you throw 70+ power strikes you are going to punch
yourself out. like carwin said brock is one tough sob and his head just looks thick in terms of bone mass. don’t be surprised if velasquez breaks a hand on it.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 9, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lol are you really comparing shane and carwins cardio.
by Bio on Jul 9, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize they were two different people
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Brock abandoning his pedigree and standing for any longer...
than it takes to secure the takedown. He may test the waters and see if he can hurt him, but the minute he is uncomfortable, the takedown will be there.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Anything better than -300 and I am instantly in
I have a feeling come fight night the odds will be closer to like -550, as everyone will be betting on Brock
Bullets dodge Fedor.
i dont know about -550...actually..
But ya, Cain will hit +250ish and Brock start at -300 and probs worsen for you from there.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah wait if your betting on Brock let the odds comedown
Many betters love picking the underdog.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
the lines are already up on bodog
Lesnar -155
Velazquez +125
by logic_101 on Jul 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shit, this is the time to drop Money on Brock...
wait a couple months and it’ll be the time to drop money on Cain
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
That line will probably move a lot...
but I’m staying away from this fight personally. I think there are too many unanswered questions from both fighters.
This fight is so easy from my point of view
I am trying to get everyone and anyone with Brock on their mind to start putting down their $$$s. Gotta move them lines baby- already with all this hype now this far out, i think we can get Cain as high as +200 around fight time hell maybe even higher.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he will worry about the size difference...
when brock is throwing him around at will, smothering him against the cage and on the ground, and landing those lunchbox fists. Yes, Cain will definitely be worried then. and if cain thinks rolling n wrestling with ron waterman is adequate preparation for lesnar, lol, then cain is in some serious form of denial!! i’d really like to know who in the hell cain has to help him prepare for lesnar?!
Cain doesn't train with Waterman
he trains with World Championships medal winning and US Olympic wrestling team captain Daniel Cormier.
and how does cormier help prepare him
For the size difference? Cormier is a great wrestler but he is not a physical specimen like brock by any means
by logic_101 on Jul 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock wasn't throwing randy around and he
outweighed him by nearly 70 pounds. In fact all that clinch work seemed to gas him out in the 1st.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ask a wrestler, and they will tell you to bet on Cain.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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by ekc on Jul 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
not just a wrestler, most fighters (that obviously know) say Cain is the real deal and trains like a mad man, that doesn’t mean anything to me. I’ll take the body of work, Brock (who I dislike) is an animal, just took 50 unanswered punches/knees from the hardest hitting guy in the division, survived and came back for an impressive submission victory while Cain got dropped numerous times by Kongo and came back to win. My money is on Brock!
Really
I know that everyone cannot wait to see Lesnar lose but deep down I cannot believe that people really believe that Cain will win they are just hoping. He is not some serious KO artist like people are trying to say all the sudden and he will not be able to stuff the shot like Carwin did. I know he pushes a fast pace but when he is trying to get Lesnar off him he will be expending all the energy and Lesnar will be looking to finish.
by ASR on Jul 9, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock will knock/take the little guy down, get on top of him and short-hammer-punch his way to a stoppage.
First round Bitchez!
Bullets dodge Fedor.
NNNNOOOOO!!! :(
God, its gonna be hard arguing for Cain here. I barely liked him as is.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain Train baby!
lol j/k
yall keep keep the monopoly on “train”
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
my only hopes is
That since I’ve picked against Cain every time he fought, if I continue to, he will win. Right?
Fuuuuuuck.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why break a pattern?
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
You guys kill me...
I don’t know how one fight has you ignoring everything else we’ve seen about him.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hell yeah
Two meaningful HW fights in a row for the UFC. Pinch me.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
War Cain!!!
I’m telling u guys this ain’t guna be a walk in the park for Brock. Thru hell, fire & brimstone were guna have a new champ!
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
you're telling us
but we aren’t listening
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd rather a circus strong man then racist Mexican =D
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ha
I’ll hitch my trailer to any wagon that I think will make a buck
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i say bring in Waterman
and train trying to get out from under him. get a big fast HW and train stopping those TD’s. CArwin had no trouble stopping the TD and he’s not Brock’s size either. I know Cain is a little smaller than Carwin too but hell…I think his wrestling is better and he’s faster than CArwin plus his footwork is better too…he should have no trouble either.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
He Has The Speedy Wrestlers at AKA
and he has speedy strikiers as well. He just needs to have smothering huge HWS to train under.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are people so concerned with Size?
Being a SHW isn’t always the greatest thing, he does give up certain things because of his size too. Also since when has fighting been about size? I always reference Jimmy Ambriz when it came to talk about strenght and muscle size, maybe i should add the Pudz. Cain will have him turning purple in the 2nd trust me.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 9, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Size Matters When The Guy With Size Knows How To Use It
Brock is one of those people. Akebono is not.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was sweet Carwin Love
Yea I know it’s god aweful but all I got to work with is paint and microsoft word so sue me.
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I especially love the bright Barney Purple blobs that act as tank top sleeves.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
lol i shoulda gone grey scale
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
oh god i didnt even notice that! that is fucking priceless!
Ahhahahahah best picture/diss ever. Fucking rules! Lol.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh man, i wish that i had Jesse's girl
Where can I find a woman like that? Oh its Jesse’s girl! I want, I want, JESSE’s Girl!
Or something like that. Hahaha fuck that pic rocks. Sorry I’ll settle down now.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It was neither
I was financially motivated
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
dammit just say you hate brock!
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't
because it’s not true.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
there were soo many fairweather fans at the mgm grand garden arena. when the fight started
it was about 70/30 in favor of carwin. when the fight was over 60/40 in favor of brock. 2/1 for deathclutch shirts over dethrone. just another interesting tidbit.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 9, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I'd love for Cain to win...
…
…
He won’t.
Brock is gonna get him down and smash his head in.
Cain’s too small for Brock IMO.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
That photoshop is good comparison. Damn Brock will have a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge size and weight advantage. Thats aight, Cain will outwork him in the later rounds and iwn be decision in a very entertaining fight!!! Man i Hope is for New Years in Las Vegas!!! im there!
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
I met them both in Vegas & Brock wasn't that much bigger 2 be honest.
Brocks a beast but cains used 2 competing against bigger guys. & his gas tank never empties.
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've trained and wrestled guys that are his size, so I'm used to competing against guys that are that big.
No your not…
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
HAHAHA
Great to see that you guys really know what you are talking about when it comes too MMA betting.
Sportsbook.com already posted opening lines Brock is -150 Cain +120
Which is about right. Anyone who thinks Brock is a -500 must have just started watching mma last Saturday, good job
I'm one of the few here making a case for Cain, but -150 for Brock are VERY favorable odds.
I was thinking more like Brock -275 and Cain +190
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Personally, I think Cain is gonna knock his ass out, but for Lesnar to be at -150 I'd take that line for sure. It's very generous but it will change, it was -145 yesterday and has already increased
by Man_Made_God on Jul 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT, BoDog got odds up now already as well
Brock -155
Cain +125
WOW!!!! And only 3 of us here (plus 42% of Vegas) think that Cain has a chance?
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Anyone who thinks Lesnar is unbeatable needs to watch Rd 1 of Carwin/Lesnar again.
Lesnar can’t handle a barrage of stand up offense. His natural reaction is to turtle. He makes up for his horrible stand up with being a friggin beast of an athelete and stud wrestler. I think Carwin and Cain (and maybe JDS, havent seen enough of his ground to say for sure) are the only guys in the UFC who can beat him
by Man_Made_God on Jul 9, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
If you think Brock will turtle against every fighter just because he did it last week, you’re crazy. No one else will have the power advantage the way Shane did. The only guy that will be able to stop Brock from pounding on them in half guard is Shane.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Jay Cain has way more weapons in his arsenal than Shane.
Only advantage Shane has over Cain is punching power. That’s all he’s ever showed in all his fights. Cains guna make it a way better fight then Shane did.
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Size, Power, wrestling
The three things Brock has. If you can’t stop Brock’s size you will lose. Cain won’t be able to stop a TD like Shane did. Also since Brock won’t have to worry about getting KO’d with one shot(or at all) he won’t be running and turtling again. Cain is screwed here.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Idk Brock had trouble with 65 year old Randy.
Cains bigger, stronger, better wrestler, stronger chin, more motivated & hungrier then Randy. I like Brock but he’s in trouble this fight.
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rothwell is a big bastard and Cain took him own with ease. Of course Lesnar is a WAY more accomplished wrestler but in terms of size alone, he is comparable
This fight is going to be a lot closer than most people think. I can see this one easily going into the championship rounds
Rothwell may be big
but athletic? Maybe not so much. At least not compared to Brock. I say it’s over in the first or 2nd
Good point MMG. Cain tossed 265 lbs. Ben rothwell around like a rag doll.
Brocks not guna have as easy a time as people think! His stand looked awesome against a healthy BIg Nog.
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a 9 year old daughter that would look good boxing against Nog
beating Nog nowadays means shit to me. Suck that locc!:)
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
That's Fucked up jay I thought u were my friend homes!
=D
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NELSON!!!!
Would make my life complete to see Dana forced to try and strap that belt around his gut after dethroning his cashcow.
:D
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-150? are you serious? thats insane!
If I didn’t hate Borck w/every ounce of my flesh, I’d be all over that. Pain trainers should be capitalizing big time.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock's best displays of ground and pound...
…have been against guys who weren’t even in the same ballpark as he in terms of wrestling ability – Herring and Mir.
On the other hand, while he was able to take the much smaller Couture down, he had trouble keeping him down and wasn’t really able to do a lot of damage on the ground.
I’m not going to bet on Velasquez (or wouldn’t, if I did bet on MMA to begin with), but to say that Brock has this locked up is, IMO, pretty ignorant.
c'mon man
are you new here or something
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It is really good.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
hardest part
was making nog disappear — and giving Dana a new arm
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
herring, mir, couture, carwin, velasquez and jds have or will fail. lesnar will far exceed expectations.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 9, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well done.
In your shopped pic Dana is looking right into Brocks eyes. I can’t see anything in your pic that gives the shop work away. It’s flawless.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
thanks man
I’m actually using photoshop 4.0, I got it I think in 98 or 99 it takes me three times as long to do this stuff, nowadays so much shit is automated I gotta get Mania to spring for some new materials
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice way of getting a pic of Brock side ways 2 make him look way bigger then Cain =D
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Cain's still got more size on him than Mir did against Brock
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol. I always new brick was racist =p
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Relax bro u was being sarcastic.
I think it funny that some people find cains tatoo offensive & some even h8 him for it =D. War Brown pride!!!
Who is Brick?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Brick is a bad dude..
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LOCC
Brock is easily bigger then Cain. He was easily bigger then Carwin as well.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol. I know I was just messin cuz JH despises Cain =D
Brock sideways & Cain’s standing flat as can be make Brock look even way bigger.
by d*locc on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol. Okay well sorry.
It was like people trying to tell me Carwins hands were bigger then Brocks because of that one photo …
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his hands were bigger cause he wore bigger gloves =P
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That Pic Made It Seem Monumentally Larger Then Brocks
Like if it was Faber vs Carwin. Yes Carwin is 5xl but Brocks 4xl. This picture was like Carwin 120XL vs Brocks XtraMedium
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
smedium
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
yeah, awesome work man.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Size matters but does Cain get any fighter as good as Brock to train with? I doubt it.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
Daniel Cormier who is a much better wrestler than Brock.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com and MMAFighting.com, mma enthusiast
by ekc on Jul 9, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I dnt kno how Cain can win this.
Brock is too Strong and too big, but i guess thats y we’ll b commenting on this up until the fight happenes. you never kno
You dont have to like me.. but you WILL respect my opinion! Jon Jones Cannot be Stopped! and neither can Anderson SIlva! Cain or Dos Santos??
Im sorry Cain but no way in hell have you been training with guys Brock size! There is only one Brock.
BJ is going to be back in Cali training and Marv is back! Bad news for Frankie. I will be betting the house.
you can find guys Brock's size, that's not the problem
the problem is finding guys his size tripled with his strength and athletic ability. THAT’S the problem.
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Does Brock have a tramp stamp?
****************************************
Three things I must do before I die:
1. Finish a marathon
2. Learn to surf
3. Punch Shia Labeouf in the face
I just noticed that too.
Points off for that. He’s still a +10000000000 though.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
(referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight,"
When Shane Carwin went from the being on the brink of dominantly beating UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar in the first round of their title tilt last Saturday night to feebly succumbing to an arm triangle choke in the second frame, many people were left wondering,“What the hell happened?”
Carwin, who originally claimed that his body locked up as a result of lactic acidosis, now says that his lack of energy to finish Lesnar was a result of a massive adrenaline dump, caused by the instruction of referee Josh Rosenthal.
Carwin explained the interesting series of events that led to his defeat to Heavy.com.
"During the first round, (referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight," explained Carwin, going back over the action from Saturday’s event in Las Vegas. "Every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more and eventually just punched myself out."
His decline in performance near the end of the first round when he seemed to have the fight in the bag caused many to question his cardio and whether or not working a full time job while training part time was partially to blame for Carwin’s rapid energy depletion.
According to the Trevor Wittman Grudge Training Centre trained fighter says the claim is without merit.
"Anyone who questions my cardio should come and train with me. We trained for a twenty-five minute fight but things go wrong. It happens. I basically had an adrenaline dump towards the end of the first (round) and I was unable to recover in between rounds. I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,’ and then not stopping it," admitted Carwin. "He said it at least three different points in the round, and each time I went for the finish and it never came. It sucked the wind and life out of me."
Despite the overwhelming consensus that champions need to train as if it’s their job, Carwin thumbs his nose at the notion that he should quit his day job as an engineer if he wants to compete.
"I am surprised by how many people view their jobs as an obstacle to chasing your dreams. The job has allowed me to become the fighter I am today; it has not hindered me in any way. I find it insulting that people do not understand that. Ask any of the pro fighters I train with if they out train me or think I could be a better fighter if I was in the gym more. Fact is I might be the one in the gym the most."
"My life has a structure to it and I include training into that structure," continued Carwin. "I am not shooting movies, working on TV shows, or working in a 9-5 bank. I am a full-time fighter, full-time engineer, father and husband. My whole life I have been a multi-sport athlete and was always required to do my fair share around the house and in school. The fundamentals of life came before the pursuit of my dreams."
if he ever gets another chance to fight for the title again, Carwin says he won’t let the opportunity slip him by again, believing he has the tools to disassemble the champ. Recanting on earlier claims that he felt Lesnar “go out” when he connected with punches in the opening stanza, he says that he could have had his hand raised if he had just connected with one bomb.
"If I had it to do all over again I would probably go for it again. If some of those hard blows landed he would have been knocked out. This was the biggest fight of my life and I swung for the fences and came up short. Next time, I won’t falter and I will have my hand raised."
RIP Brock!!
Brock doesn’t have the cardio to keep up with the pace Cain will put on his ass. Carwin is the baddest mother in the heavyweight division.
Cain will be...
Cain will become the UFC HW Champ then go onto break the UFC record for most consecutive HW title defenses(and then some). I been saying that for a long time. His combo of wrestling,cardio,striking under Javier Mendez, and BJJ under Dave Camarillo along with being a natural born fighter with a warrior’s heart will make him an all-time great. The Brock fight will be when fans not in the know will realize all this. Book it!! Cain will gas Brock out. It’s not a wrestling match. You just have to do what Randy did for almost 2 rounds and have the wrestling (mma wrestling at that wit the extra space,cage,and of course striking) to neutralize Brock and make him work. Come the 3rd Cain can pick a tiring Brock out with strikes. Heck he may even take him down (little Randy might’ve if Brock hadn’t held onto the cage, and that was even early in the fight… the same Randy that had trouble taking Vera down).
It’s gonna be Cain’s coronation. I’m actually glad for him it will be over Brock instead of Carwin as that will bring more mainstream recognition then had he beat a Carwin that just killed Brock. Because had that happened people would just be saying Brock sucks and Carwin hasn’t done much. But wit the way things turned out… people still actually see Brock as a huge monster. Totally forgot about the guy that covers up and runs when he gets hit from earlier in the same fight lol. If he gets hit in the 3rd and covers up… he’ll be too gassed to want to show the ref he wants to continue. I predict that’s how the fight ends. Wit Cain on top throwing punches on a gassed Brock (maybe even decides to choke him out).
So he will stop the takedown
for over two rounds? Randy is a wrestling icon, Cain not so much. Plus I think Lesnar was intimidated by Randy and he will not be with Cain.
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