Frank Mir's goals for 2011: Retire Big Nog and KO Brock Lesnar
by Jesse Holland on Jul 8, 2010 9:07 AM EDT
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"We believe Mir is going to be the guy to knock out Brock Lesnar. Me, GSP, Freddie Roach - we all agreed Mir can do it. We see holes in his game we know we can expose. If you're asking me who would Frank Mir want to fight right now, it's Brock. He'd love to fight him. Realistically, that's not going to happen so we want that Nog fight. Nog claims staph infection affected his chin in the last one. I don't know how that happens, but I think if Mir gets a chance at Nogueira again, he'll knock him out early and retire him. Right now, he's at 252 and his best fighting weight is between 240 and 245 pounds. He's not going to stay at 265 to fight Brock again ... In Mir's mind, it's about martial arts vs. this big gorilla who really is just a big gorilla."
Boxing guru Jimmy Gifford is confident that Frank Mir is going to avenge his loss to Brock Lesnar by knocking him out in a rubber match that may or may not come to fruition. Now that Lesnar has unified the heavyweight titles, Cain Velasquez is next in line as is the winner of Roy Nelson vs. Junior dos Santos. That means Mir has some free time on his hands and it sounds as if he wants to spend it retiring "Minotauro" Nogueira, who claims to have lost their first bout because of the health issues stemming from a long bout with Staph infection. Is Mir on a fool's errand? Or does the former champ still have what it takes to become the best of the best?
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before mir worries about KOn brock
he should worry about just beating someone.
why did the condom cross the road? it got pissed off...
for real? Did he forget what just happend when he faught Carwin?
We believe Mir is going to be the guy to knock out Brock Lesnar.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand good luck with that
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
I gotta with this....
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
First it was "I have to bulk up to beat Brock", now it is "I am at my best at 240-245". Which is it?
He got manhandled by both Brock and Carwin when supposedly in the “best shape of his life”. He has given us no reason to believe that he can be relevant to the title picture EVER again.
First beat a full strength Nog, then the loser of JDS/Roy to prove you even belong in possible contention. Forget about Brock because you will NEVER beat him.
well ulf
i think what mir is trying to portray is that if he can just get into some sort of 235-265 pound range, he should destroy brock, as well as big nog, carwin, jds, cain, big country, the strike force heavey weight roster, any and all comers who would doubt him. jimmy gifford really knows his shit
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
your given name here
represents that last post well.
Mir has nothing to offer the top 5. But I would enjoy Joe Silva giving him the chance to prove it and thus grant many their true wish. More of Mir’s blood on the canvas.
He should call out Tim Sylvia.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
——→SARCASM——→
BZ’s head
(My lame attempt at you completely missing child’s sarcasm)
by Ulf Murphy on Jul 8, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
for real?
you thought i was being serious? no………..mir is a tool.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Child please....
Mir has talent. He proved it against Kongo and subbing Brock. Mir has a decent chance against any top 5 HW’s in the UFC. How can you say he has nothing to offer? Why dont we cut him and anyone else below him since he sucks so bad? He makes interesting fights. I would love to see Mir vs Cain, Mir vs Dos Santos, or Mir vs Carwin 2.
Mir makes good fights and is a force. End of story. Stop hating.
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Mir has talent. Its just not good enough to hang with the elite. Reality sucks. The End.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Mir is good, but he does not now, nor will he ever, have any answer for guys who can take him down and pound on him. He hates that. And that’s exactly what Brock will do to him every time. Carwin too.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
He got destroyed by both Brock and Carwin. His BJJ is useless if he does not try to take his opponents to the ground. His gilly vs. Kongo was great but he needs to abandon that stand up silliness and go to the GG more.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
To Be Fair In The Carwin Fight
He was wobbled and dropped on his feet. He never had a chance to show us if he could do anything vs Carwin. He was already hurt when he turtled. He should have grabbed wrist control along the fence and pulled guard. Mir has it in his head he is a striker. Just go watch the Tim Sylvia fight…. his guard pull was beautiful.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he has talent standing up.
But somewhere in his fight IQ he forgets the grappling aspects of bjj that can be used standing up.
Exactly
thats why I mention his guard pull vs Tim. He could have done similar to Carwin. But he knocked out the “dangerous” striker Kongo and suddenly his head once again inflated
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not buying that forgetting stuff. I think size and wrestling are Mir's kryptonite vs. his BJJ.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I Guess We Will Find Out
Mir has lots of big strong guys in the HW division
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ANS - we already found out with Brock and Carwin. Unless you know of other dominant wrestlers with size besides those 2 in the HW division.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I never saw a spinning backfist from Mir, either. Not to sound like SD but whats your point?
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Okay... you said his kryptonite vs his BJJ
was size and wrestling. Then you said we saw it vs Carwin and Brock. I said Brock yes but in the carwin fight we never saw his bjj vs Carwins size and wrestling.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin clinched him against the fence. Mir could not deal with his size because he stayed there and ate punches. Wrestling has no clinch? I remember doing clinch drills unless its different for MMA.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I Get What Your Saying
but I keep thinking were talking BJJ. We never got to see his BJJ. I would have loved to see him pull guard. I mean thats what that whole concept is for…
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
We are talking BJJ. I think Carwin's clinch/size prevented Mir's BJJ. That is the essence of my point and why I think those things are his downfall.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I can See that..
I just wish he would at least try. He has Rashad complex. He KO’s someone and now suddenly he is a head hunter.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs to be like an octopus and just jump on people and tangle them up and start a constant subbing attack. More than one way to overwhelm people in MMA.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Interesting To Watch At The Very Least
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should go train with Maia. Seriously.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Who Mir?
He did. He said he thought he was a AAA BJJ guy until he rolled with Damien.
I guess that didn’t last long. Maia left Vegas learning stand up with Wand.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
Mir needs to just train and be consistent
no more maybe 205, maybe 265, um no 240. He needs to get his lid on straight and just be frank mir.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm not buying what you're selling
without a coupon. Or at least some sort of discount.
All fighters styles have kryptonite. Which is why I am studying Chuck Norris’ Chun kuk do. No one shall stand a chance against me.
Mir makes good fights and is a force
Mir and GG match up well. He needs to fight a guy like that. But a force? hmmmm… i dunno about that.
What do you guys think about Gabe and Frank going at it?
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
That is a good fight. But I disagree with you.
He is a force. He’s a former HW champ, interim HW champ, and someone who is not afraid to speak out. Plus he is the first to admit he hates Brock, and for that I thank him.
in the UFC HW ranks circa 2010
Frank Mir could go away and it wouldn’t change much.
Fact.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
you could say that about almost anyone.....
Carwin could go away and it wouldnt change much
Fact.
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sweet overhand left
on a guy whose hand was scratching his thigh. mir is not a force by any means. he puts on good fights, yes, but when i said he was a tool, i was not saying hes a shitty fighter. hes a tool because he seems to obsess over fighting brock and keeps giving excuses as to why he lost to brock. and mirs first win over mir was not exactly a flawless victory
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Correction.
He does not make excuses as to why he lost. He admits it was an oversight, and worked to improve it. And don’t discredit his first win against Lesnar. Submission wins that happen in fights in come from behind circumstances are amazing.
hey a win is a win
im not knocking mir for winning, ive said hes a good fighter, but hes pretty full of him self. i think his losses keep him grounded. and i would love to see him fight big nog again cause i think it would happen the same way things did with lesnar
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Big Nog would lose. And if he's full of himself
what about Brock? What about Sonnen? What about Silva? What about Ortiz? He’s confident. You have to be in this sport.
big nog would not lose
and all the people you just listed are most certainly arrogant pricks much of the time. you can be confident and not sound like a narcissist, see carwin, fedor, etc.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Agreed. But these people all have followings.
I think many people hold a double standard. Brock can be an ass but Frank can’t.
Who said Brock can be an ass
Thats the only thing some complain about Brock is him being an ass. The double standard was at 100 Mir was cutting down Brock left right and centre and Brock was pissed about it but all anyone talked about was Brock. If anything the double standard goes agaisnt Brock
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Oh and Brock isnt full of himself?????
you dummy!
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Fiction.
I am a Mir fan, and even I was shocked how he smashed big Nog. That was a sick fight. His smashing of Kongo was sick. And even in losses, he still goes out fighting. Did you see him curling up like a bitch the way Brock did when Carwin hit him? No. He puts on exciting fights. Don’t place your opinion in the same category as “facts”.
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what does this gif prove?
that mir can throw a knee? at the worst possible time in a fight? and end up helpless against the cage because of it?
or that brock can eat that knee and not evenn wobble a lil bit?
and you do realize that a vicious beatdown of epic proportions was directly after this right?
why did the condom cross the road? it got pissed off...
LOL. I love when people show this gif to favor Mir
if anything it showed his lack of fight IQ. Question… where do you NOT wanna be vs Brock. Answer the ground. So while one leg is trapped by Brock why would you throw up the other knee basically conceding the takedown plus great position for Brock. So basically it was all or nothing trying to KO him and how many times has this move worked for anyone in the past?
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir thought he was Urijah.
The use of this gif is a little suspect
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
Has Urijah ever KO's Someone That Way
Or just used the move? And when he did it he probbaly didnt concede the take down into side mount.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
mir mentioning brock's name is his only ticket to remain relevant and is a fucking joke at best
i take it about as serious as if i would hearing matt serra running around saying “im gonna knock gsp out, ive beaten him before and we’re 1-1 against each other and i know i can do it again”
and its about the same as jens pulver going around saying “im gonna go ko bj next year, i see holes in his game and im gonna go ko him next year…we’re 1-1 we need a rubber match”
we would all laugh….
its the same fucking thing…mir is no longer relevant…he has a butt crush on brock and the only way he can stay relevant is to scream brock’s name hoping someone hear’s him..
but its just as much a joke as jens saying he wants a rubber match with bj and serra saying he wants a rubber match with gsp
and you stupid motherfuckers on this site are completely ignorant to think otherwise
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
hellahectic
Holy shit, little boy, change that manpon. You’ve got a lot of sand in that pussy, you fucktard.
Aldo used a double flying knee to KO Swanson
only time I can remember a double knee KO, but Urijah’s and the one above are from a single, not stand-alone knees.
here is a fact
I used to be a giant Mir fan. A true believer in his Cinderella story – Won the belt – crashed his bike – and than fast forward to the Hardonk fight where he claims he’s back.
Mir is a bad winner. And that’s why I don’t like him. I think loses are what keep him human. His head and ego get swollen very easily.
Mir claims there are less than 3 people that can beat him in a fair fight walking the planet. Well.. we know who two of them are… I just think he’s BS when he plays up the whole mix martial arts honor is everything to me… then a win… Frank’s back to being Frank.
Favorite moment of 2010 in a life of frank Mir.
Carwins KO and getting let go by WEC. He was astonished that the WEC no longer required his services.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
^^^THIS^^^
- most disliked for me after Spider.
My much larger, older cousin used to say to me (when I was 5’4", 135)…“don’t let your bulldog mouth override your hummingbird ass”. That is Frank Mir…talk shit, get the shit beat out of you. I am just suprised he can remain relevant after the two big beatings he took.
Ulf - I am going to steal that saying from your cousin. Thanks!
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
ya man
that saying is much classier than “dont let your mouth write checks your ass cant cash”
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
It is witty, IMO.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Both great. For some reason I want to go watch some vintage 1980s wrestling now.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I always heard...
That guy has an alligator mouth and a canary ass.
by naturalshadow on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want you as a fan.
Can we say fickle? So you support him when he’s a “Cinderella story”? But when he loses you jump ship? Mir is straight up. He admits his flaws, is intelligent and has drive. He’s not only a good winner, but also a good loser. He tried congratulating Brock after losing that fight, and Brock was the asshole. So, in conclusion, you hate Mir just because.
re read my post.
I don’t like Mir because of his ego. Which only really came out after he was winning.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
It's called hyping fights.
He has never been disrespectful to anyone he’s beat. He knows how to trash talk to hype fights. Did he go too far in saying he wanted to kill Brock? Yes.
What I don’t get is what a piece of sh*% Brock is and how much crap he spews but people love him. Even after his whole “I stand before you a humble champion” talk, I still don’t believe him and think he’s a douchenozzle. Much respect for taking a beating and coming back to win though.
I like Brock but he's not my fav... so that argument doesn't really do much for me
My two fav HW
REEM
JDS
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
See, I don't get that though.
I can’t stand Lesnar because he’s a huge prick and because he gets paid 10 times, let me say that again, 10 times what Shane Carwin got for the same fight. Does he sraw more numbers? Yes. But Carwin deserved more $$.
Plus I can’t stand Dana either and the 2 of them are like long lost brothers.
i agree
I can’t Fn stand brock or dana…both have super inflated egos and I’d love to teabag the both of em…and then hope I’d survive the beating so I could sue…tho I prolly wouldn’t win because I put my scrotum on them first…maybe I’d just call them names nonstop…I could prolly win if they beat my ass for that
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
he couldnt curl up he was held against the fence being punched in the face
Really?
Let’s see what Brock did. Oh yes, he turned tail and ran. Whereas Mir worked to avoid the shots, but still got hit. Watching Brock act like a bitch was worth the price of admission.
Yes he did run,
but also avoided enough damage to get back to his feet and win the fight.
you mean agreed to suck rosenthal
If he let the fight go on longer than it should have? Seriously…I bet dana was licking josh’s balloon knot while brock was slobberin his knob after that nonsense…“Oh thank you josh, thank you, slurp slurp, nom nom, tickle,hummmm.”
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im not bashing Mir,
i think he’s a good fighter and still has alot to offer the HW div.
" Did you see him curling up like a bitch the way Brock did when Carwin hit him? No"
That is because he was unconcious.
by ASR on Jul 8, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir vs.
Carwin…He gets GNP’d like Brock gnp’d him.
JDS…He gets KO’d like he did against Carwin.
Brock…No need to respond-He hasn’t earned that conversation yet.
Big Nog…is the only Top 10 guy he can beat and even that could go either way depending how Bog comes out.
Other than that we are dipping into the Top 20 to 10 in guys like Gabe Gonzaga-who I think would match up well with him. Gabe has strong MT and Mir has sharpened his boxing, but I think Gabe is the more decorated BJJ fighter and has the advantage on the ground.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Carwin Did Not GnP Like Brock - Two Totally Different Fights
You dont know what JDS will do to him. For all we know it can be a gappling-fest
He and Brock are 1-1… of course he is in discussion along side brock
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin was supposed to be Cain...
I think Cain would GNP Mir-the way Brock pouned out Mir….IMO anyway…I think JDS just hits so beautifully, that I see Mir eating it. I know him and Brock are 1-1, but outside of the ref. standing them with no warning, Mir was on his way out. Mir didn’t seem very competetive in either of their fights, even though he won the first one.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Cain Isnt As Powerful To Hold Down The Hips Of Mir
For one. One of the beauties people missed from that fight at UFC 100 was Brock masterfully did two very critical things. Hip control and isolated arm/wrists. Two crucial parts of sweeping and offensive BJJ. Cain IMO has never shown me his ability to do so.
JDS does hit beautifully. But he also gets hit alot. His striking offensively is amazing. His defensive striking on the other hand is well its lacking. And if Mir can crack the hand dropping Kongo with an over hand he can do the same vs JDS. Its MMA who knows right? Mir could KO JDS as fast as JDS KOs him.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Mir JDS would be a great match up that could go either way
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You are right...
Cain has looked amazing as of late and I think with his wrestling, probably on the same level as Brock minus the size, and how sharp he looked in his stand up, I can see it with a TKO Cain win.
As JDS even looked stunned when geting hit? I know his standup is open, but I think speed kills. Mir has a 2 in. reach advantage, but I think that is negated by JDS being 6’4" and Mir being 6’1". You are correct though, Mir could as easily ko jds as jds could ko mir.
I personally really want to see Mir vs. Gonzaga. I like that fight all day. I know Mir is the more successful of the 2 in mma, but Gabe is one of and has always been one of my favorite fighters. Although he has been broken since Randy murderized him.
I need to get sleep to many hours without..I am messing up everwhere on this thing today…
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Mir is top 5
Hey you can say what you want about Mir losing to bigger guys but he can certainly hold his own against other HWs his size (230-245) and has shown so repeatedly.
Hate the guy if want, sure he talks a lot, a lot but still he’s got hands, subs and is well rounded against good guys. He will take out Nog again, Cain and JDS would be interesting and Roy and anyone lower in the ranks like Crocop would likely be walked through.
What a flip flopper!
-I felt so weak against Brock, I need to put on a bunch of weight in muscle.
-Oh crap! Shane Carwin still man handled me with all that weight!
-Hey I am going down in size because weight and strength don’t matter just martial arts.
The problem is Brock has a better pedigree in martial arts, and that is because wrestling is a martial art. Is Mir way more well rounded, yes but the best thing Mir has BJJ is not as good as the best thing Brock has, wrestling. The Nog comment is garbage too, I get so sick of the chin talk, I do think it exists and you can loose it but so much of your chin has to do with how you defend and very subtle head movement and etc… and have staff in your leg WOULD DRASTICALLY EFFECT YOUR MOVEMENT!
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 8, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Nog needs to find some speed in those hands
his boxing is there… but it’s just so slow.
I’d like Nog to come back and send Mir to SF. Where he can be a big dawg.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
well
it doesn’t help that he just turned 50
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 8, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Blackhouse must have thrown a pretty big party for him.
I can’t believe non of us were envited.
Imagine how Nog is going to look at 50.
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
its guys like him that give writers the inspiration for storys like
Benjamin Button
Fedor lost to Werdum.... OHHH SNAP!
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how does your leg effect the fact you didn’t have your hands up and took a clean shot on the chin..Nog got knocked out because he didn’t block with his hands not his legs..Did he have staff his last fight to when he went to sleep..Hate On Mir all you want but he is the most well rounded HW in the division and If he beat any of those guys it wouldn’t suprise any of us
Staph Effected Him
because he had no mobility. No movement, he was slow, he was weak and he probably didnt have any energy. I have staph now. No fun at all.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Rounded?
I know people hate to admit this but part of being well rounded is being able to wrestle and defend the takedown. Mir has improved striking but I still do not think it is top notch like JDS or Carwin(who did KO Mir and would do it again). He is great at BJJ, but he realizes after the last fight with Lesnar that it will do him no good. Lesnar controlled Mir’s hips and head whenever they were on the ground and without being able to move like that his BJJ was useless. This is how it would happen again. Mir has nothing for Lesnar, Carwin, or JDS. I think Cain may have trouble with him, but that is a different story.
by ASR on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He is NEVER gonna get past Cain, JDS, or Carwin again......
Poor Mir trying anyway he can for publicity…..and taht is using someone’s name, since he will NEVER be in the title picture again. HE cant beat any of the UFC’s top 4….hell, I ’ll bet you taht Roy Nelson beats him ALSO. Big country beat him in a graplling match when Mir had him outweighed.
So good luck Mir, you suck. It is comical he plans on beating someone that is so far past his prime, that Tim Sylvia should of beat him couple years ago.
SO funny that Mir isnt talking about the 4 big dogs in front of him…liek JDS, Cain, Carwin and Brock. He is SO DESPERATE taht he is using Big Nog as a stepping stone. If he had any balls he woudl call out the top dogs, not someone on the way out.
MIR=FAIL of a fighter
But there is nothign better than watching his hamburgered face go out as it is punched into oblivion….IE his last fight with Carwin and Brock
What Are You Talking About?
Mir has called out all those guys as well. He has fought Carwin. He called out Brock for the Rubber Match. He has welcomed any challenge. Frank is a legit threat to ANYBODY in the division.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The only world Championship Mir could see in his future
Is the SF HW championship and that would only be after Overeem goes to the UFC.
by ASR on Jul 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Fightfan I would bet some money he has more backbone (balls for you) that some punk writing garbage since after all he did already step into the octagon with Brock twice and Carwin not to mention the others.
personally, i feel that...
Frank is the biggest douche bag in the UFC
why did the condom cross the road? it got pissed off...
Seriously..
This man should be on a shrink’s couch,he’s got some issues.
Sounds like Nog is gonna rematch CroCop, though.
I think CroCop will retire Nog for him. Mir just got annihilated against Carwin…I don’t think he deserves to fight either of those guys really. Make him fight Schaub to prove himself again.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jul 8, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
the big gorrilla comment was funny
And mir looks insane in that pic…would be nice to see a little more “mixed” in brocks mma skills. The sub was nice…but I don’t think carwin could have defended an arm triangle from miguel torres in his gassed state
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i cant speak on the topic of staph
As I’ve never had it..but who knows…nog has taken some serious punishment over the years, so I think the result would have been similar with no staph…maybe a few more mins into the fight…why didn’t he try to tie up mir after the first knockdown? Or did he..haven’t seen that one in awhile
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 9:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If He Was Hospitalized For Staph
And was as current as 1-2 weeks prior to the fight I would say it significantly altered Nog for that fight
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock doesn't fear anything about Frank Mir.. Standup.. Ground.. etc..
Brock will eat one to take him down all day long..
The minute it hits the ground.. Frank is SMOKED once again…Brock has shown in both Mir fights that he can rag doll Mir.. He’ll just do it again and then Frank may become suicidal.. lol
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"Frank Mir's goals for 2011: Retire Big Nog and KO Brock Lesnar"
Check, and check.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 8, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
or being sarcastic
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 8, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i defs hate em. lol, but im not daft
He’d have to kill Nog and someone else like JDS/Cain, before I’d even consider him lasting over a minute against Lesnar again.
Funny though that you missed my sarcasm, but explained Childs to BZ. Weirdness. Lol.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 8, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he should beat NOG but needs to beat one of the other top 4 before he gets another shot, beating NOG does not = title shot
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Absolutely
He could/should fight Nog and then Roy if Roy wins his next then a top 3 then title.
Why rush it if he’s putting on good competitive fights, then if he gets another run at it he’ll have a better chance at actually winning or at least making it a worthy fight.
I've said this before but....
I wouldn’t mind watching Lesnar give Mir another pumpkinhead, but I just don’t see Mir ever putting together a string of quality wins that will warrant a title shot. Maybe if Brock loses the title we’ll get to see Mir/Lesnar III, but otherwise it ain’t happening.
I see Mir becoming a gatekeeper in the heavyweight division. He can beat most of the division, just not the elite. I would still like to see him fight Cain and JDS, then he couldn’t say he was the smaller man. He would be the bigger.
Non Timebo Mala
larger man,yea
But frank the bigger man? Nah…
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir/Lesnar 3
Frank has been working on the intricacies of maneuvers that Lesnar doesn’t even …… aww fuck it-
Mir would get his face rearranged again and everyone knows it
by jeffrey lebowski on Jul 8, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
LOL...
Mir really didn’t learn not to trash talk Brock. Well, should be fun to see Brock pull a horseshoe from Frank’s ass if Mir can make it to contender status again. Or he should hope really, really hard that Cain pulls off the upset.
And while Nog has declined, it’s hard not to believe that staph didn’t affect his performance against Mir.
That is what makes him really crazy
He acts like he was destroying Lesnar in the first fight, in which I still say the ref saved him and helped him out as he wanted to see Lesnar lose as he was coming from the WWE, and that he didn’t get his ass handed to him in the second fight.
He talks like he lost the second fight on a technicallity and that he did get KTFO by the guy that Lesnar just subbed. News flash Frank if Carwin couldnt KO Lesnar you certainly will not.
by ASR on Jul 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir is starting to sound a little like chael sonnen. Running his mouth cause he knows he won’t stand a chance with brock. It b burger face all over again
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by Das Butcher on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the Mir era has ended...
he had a run where the opponents he faced gave him a HUGE fan boost… but it boils down to
1. Lesnar was so green and got caught (Lesnar was killing him up to that point.)
2. 10 month layoff where people were offended that lesnar got a title shot before Mir got to fight Nog.
3. Mir does the impossible and beats Nog (little did we know how sick Nog was)
4. Mir gets his ass handed to him, but people over look it because of how awful Lesnar acted afterwards.
5. Mir KILLS a fierce looking Kongo, when in reality he’s just… meh
6. The demise of Mir, Carwin lights him up.
7. The bulk up to 265+, cut to 205, fight at 240 – 245 drama… people no longer care.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
A bet's a bet:
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" – "All aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo!"
He should beat NOG again, sick had little to do with it just an after fight excuse to keep his status up and in title contention.
But beating NOG does not mean he should get a title shot NOG himself is coming of a loss. I think Mir coming off two losses will need to win 3 fights before the belt is even in the picture.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i still say Mir vs Crocop would be competitive.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
A bet's a bet:
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" – "All aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo!"
I think if Crocop took that fight with the same disinterest he's shown lately,
he will be finished easily.
A past his prime CC. That's not saying much.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
The CC now thats all that matters
Whats Prime CC? The same as Prime Chuck. old news. I hate how peaple say the Prime CC would…… how the F do you know it’s easy to say now that you can’t be proved wrong.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I am not predicting anything. BUT saying that you can beat up a past his prime fighter is not valid. Did you validate Tito's victories against Shamrock? I sure as fuck didn't. Face a prime fighter and EARN your victory.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Gonzaga, Duffee, Schaub, Rothwell, etc
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I will take garbage HW's for $100, Alex.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Lol. Schaub Is Far From Garbage.
And the other guys will be tests to see where Mir stands. On the upper level side of the HWs or the Lower
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mir is a solid top 10 if he enforces his BJJ and stops his "American style boxing/stand up" crap. He is not top 5, though.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I Agree.
Who is your top 5 UFC HW’s Though?
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
*Shaking fist at BZ*
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
In the UFC alone he is close to top five
You have the pretty much consensus 4 then after that it can be argued Mir is 5. NOG, Big Country would be the other two arguements. Outside the UFC of coarse Fedor would be in the top five. Werdum even though he beat Fedor and is ranked higher I don’t think could beat Mir either.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Top 10 HW - in no order
Brock
Fedor
Carwin
Reem
JDS
Cain
Werdum
Mir
Big Nog
Big Country
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
So UFC HWS...
Brock Carwin JDS Cain Mir?
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 8, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty good list I wouldn't argue to much about
Here’s mine based on who I think should have the best chances of winning, not on past wins and losses that the consensus rankings go by just my opinion
1) Brock
2) Carwin
3) Fedor
4) Cain
5) JDS * qustion mark on his ground game, great stand up *
-Above is close and the guys I call elite fighters great battles agaisnt eachother that could go either way below are great fighters that have a chance but I believe are a step below the top five
6) Mir * solid fighter that has a chance against the top five but has weakness versus the grapplers
7) Overeem *have not seen enough MMA to rate in the top five? Would like to see agaisnt a proven fighter but he appears to have great potential to make my top five
8)NOG
9) Werdum
10) Big Country?? If he loses I would like to see him and Kongo go at it? Not sold he is a top ten yet but as good as any in this spot
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I hope MIr has to fight a ungry up and comer like Schaub
I hope the UFC doesnt give him another free paass in Big Nog. Sorry, I respect what Big Nog has done…..but he BARELY made it past Tim Silvia a couple years back. Big Nog is too slow and took too many hits.
Cain V is known for duration of bouts and ounches in bunches and he KO’d Nog with 1 clean shot. Who else did Cain else KO??? No one……He usually hits his opponents a couple hundred times.
OJR I was replying to Micah he stated CC vs Mir would be a good match?
And for some reason a Prime CC was brought up?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I got you, Puck. That's why I stated that I was not prediciting anything and that I don't think a win over CC does much for Mir at this point in his career.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
only way i see lesnar losing to mir
Is if successfully defends the title a few more times without being in trouble…then it might go to his head and he might take him lightly…
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like Mir, and think many of you hate because he speaks his mind.
Does he say some crazy stuff sometimes? Yes, but how many of you can say that you wouldn’t go through mood changes as you won or lost fights. He’s a good fighter with good standup and great bjj.
What would you rather he say?
There’s no way I can beat Brock or Big Nog or any contenders, I’m done. He obviously wants to continue fighting and get another shot at the belt. One way to try to get another shot, other than beating the top contenders, is by calling people out
by Johnny Ballgame1 on Jul 8, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
You DO NOT hear Alves and Fitch and Hardy
crying for a rematch. ALl I hear them talking about is respsect. They didnt spend the next year after their tite loss crying and whining.
well gsp is a likeable guy
I wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting to get revenge against an ego maniac like brock…who the eff in this day and age speaks in the third person!?
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by salamagogo on Jul 8, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dunno if it's been written above but...
i’d much rather see mir fght an actual real big gorilla.in fact that’ the only fight involving mir that would spark any interest in me at all. mir vs a real, alive, actual, big gorilla! lets get it on
mir is gonna get submitted if he fights lesner again and i will laugh.
lesner just keeps getting better and mir has peaked. i hope they never fight again.
by Conan the Barbarian on Jul 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Brock needs dummy wrk.
He needs to get a big bag/dummy and work it with his eyes closed… so he can instinctively tell/guess where his opponents head is to hit. Doing this, he can hit whilst being hit and just use just d1 hand 4 cover. The best defense is offense. he just needs to dig them hips a lil, swivel on d ball of his foot and sink his stance and shoulder and u would see guys flying against d cage…… course rome wasn’t built in a day
Just shut the fuck up already
I’m so glad he’s not a commentator anymore, but now he just needs to go away and shut the fuck up. Frank: You’re never gonna be the champ again dude. It was a nice run now go keep the gate.
I'm your huckleberry.
top ufc hw
1. Brock
2. Dos Santos
3. Carwin
4. Cain
5. Mir
6. Nog
Dos Santos has beaten better people than Cain and ended every fight by KO or TKO. KO of Werdum in round 1 in his first UFC fight, KO in round 1 of Gonzaga, working Cro Cop for 3 rounds and winning by TKO. Dude has power in his hands and uses the knees well. I could see him blasting big country and then a complete war with Brock.
I actually agree with this list.
Not many people rank it the same way as me and you.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Is it too late
To tell him he’s not Carwin?
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 8, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
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