UFC Quick Quote: 'Real training' helped Brock Lesnar weather first round storm
by Eduardo Cruz on Jul 6, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
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"We worked out many positions, many specific situations of attack from the bottom and attacks from the top. We even worked katagatame, that was the submission with which he finished the fight. We made a globalized job to make him feel comfortable and able to choose and develop the positions on the floor. Brock is in constant evolution, always cheered up. Since he owns a few fights in MMA, he’s thirsty for knowledge, so he dedicates so much. When you practice something for a long time it’s normal to become relaxed and even lazy in certain moments. For this reason he performs each time better and is in frank evolution."
-- Brock Lesnar’s Brazilian jiu-jitsu coach, Rodrigo Medeiros, recently spoke to Abril.com.br about preparing the UFC heavyweight champion for his monumental showdown against Shane Carwin at UFC 116 last weekend. Lesnar gushed about "Comprido" at the post-fight press conference and his lessons, which led him to a stunning second round submission after enduring a brutal first round of punishment. In fact, "Brocky Balboa" ate about 60 unanswered punches in the first round of the event's main event. Whether it's his toughness or quick learning curve, the coach feels that Lesnar is the best heavyweight alive and will continue to improve, keeping him on top for a very long time. Care to argue otherwise?
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real evolution lol or contant, whatever.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
suit yourself LOL
OK then. It’s more Portuguese than English.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
After UFC 116 I wonder who will get Lesnar’s title. Don’t believe there’s a man to do it for a while.
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I Have To Agree With You
Cain will be beaten. JDS Will Be A Stiff Test. Then On To Rematches
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 6, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That punch storm had to finish him. Not because I don’t like him but cuz he’s human. There was an elbow landed on his face that was extremely hard. Harder to believe he survived. There comes Cain. Let’s see. I go with Brock.
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that elbow was sooooo stiff!!! we were talking about that earlier, clean brutal bow!!
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 6, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock needs to work on his stand up
Even if his striking is not improved greatly jsut the movement he was to flat footed and unable to get out of the way of some of those shots. I think a better stance that allows him to use his speed would help greatly.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He was cautions, coming back from the hell… that man confident puts anyone down a smash. Striking won’t be missed.
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the most light he's ever been on his feet was against herring and look what happened.
ever since then he’s been slow in his mind i would say thinking about what to do-
I have mentioned this but what do you guys think about
the idea that his body type simply doesn’t allow him to be a fleet footed striker. Yes he is athletic but being so wide, it looks weird to me when he opens up to strike. Even when he has his guard up, his elbows have to nearly touch to cover up all that surface area. But He’s still way too early in his career that you can dissect his striking game and associate it with actual flaws he has or simple lack of experience. idk just a thought.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 7, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it's not about how he strikes really it more about his striking guard
Maybe he can’t use typical techniques and needs a way to modify it that works for him.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think most will agree that JDS has the better chance.
It would be very easy for Lesnar to take Cain for granted in his David and Goliath match considering that he should be able to beat Cain in every area apart from the striking, but even to do that Cain has to close the distance. You really can imagine Cain not serviving the first round through the sheer beating you can foresee Lesnar dishing out. He could also end up taking a couple well placed knees to the jaw by Cain if he gets too relaxed, and then we will all be saying WTF. I hope it doesn’t end up a one sided beat down.
by Ade on Jul 7, 2010 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions
James Toney perhaps
Being serious though, If they do the Nog/Cro Cop fight a bit after the Santos/Big Country fight they might be added to the title shot after Santos/Nelson. But only to keep things looking fresh rather than rematches. Don’t really wanna see him fight Mir again, unless Mir demolishes everyone in his way. The Carwin rematch would be interesting though. I see Brock having trouble with Santos is Santos can gain good TDD.
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Disagree with Eduardo and AintNo
Cain would kill Carwin, people talk about Cain’s bad chin but yet we never got knocked out! Going down and hurt is diferent than having no chin= chuck has no more chin. I don’t think people rea;ize how bad Brock’s standup is= its the worst in the UFC. I like Cain in the fight but Brock is fun to watch and you have to give the guy credit Mir, Randy and Carwin in 6 fights is very impressive, if he does beat Cain, than I hate to say it but you have to begin discussion as one of the greatest heavies ever
"Cain would kill Carwin, people talk about Cain’s bad chin but yet we never got knocked out!"
Who is this “we” you speak of?
Don't be a dick. You know full well what Robert meant. Good post, Robert.
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I’m not about to edit and spell check for Mania, I love you guys but enough is enough..Cain has the tools to beat Brock only becuase his standup is soooo bad!!
I hate Brock but if he beats JDS, Cain and Carwin in a rematch I will def give him full credit for being the best HW right now - hands down.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
He may have never gotten knocked out but do you really think Carwin or Brock or JDS is going to give him as much time to recover and let him take them down after they rock him? I think if Cain gets rocked like he did in the Kongo fight against any of the top 3 guys he is done.
I never thought Brock would win by sub. Anything is possible.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
You think Brock has better standup than Kongo?
Brock will never hurt any of the top 5 guys standing unless their dead tired, shame on Fedor for not being a part of this conversation
He doesn’t need to be a great striker, only good enough to pose a decent threat on the feet until he can put the other guy on the floor.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Brock is not even there in the stand up. I am sure that he will improve.
"I am giving up booty for the chance to touch Brock's sword...I shoulda listened to Ulf.
by OJR on Jul 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to attack different
And keep from being flat footed, he has a speed advanatge on Carwin that he never used. He will learn but he can’t rely on jsut bull rushing he needs to set up his takedowns.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Now I think all of Carwin’s adversaries will put up strategies to go for more than one round to test his cardio. Good luck for them.
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Yeah easier said than done LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yes Puck. They'll need luck and legs to run.
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I dont think brocks stand up will get much better
the idiots he spars with offer him no advantage or development.. The width of his chest hurts him more then helps him. Leaves a big hole for straight punches, knees and worse uppercuts.. the danger for him is hes a piss poor counter striker and in a fleeing situation he puts his hands out head down and moves straight backwards.. I honestly dont see him developing a “base up and trade under pressure” type of style because of his natural reflexes when being hit..when frank hit him, he went head down hands out and took a hard knee.. luckly for lesnar Mir very seldom even attempts to defend a takedown
His stand-up may not improve much but
it will improve along with other facets of his game. Would you have predicted that he was gonna beat Carwin by arm triangle? I didn’t think so. Look, the guy is green, but he’s won all his fights (minus the gimme leg-lock to Mir) …and he’s the UFC HW friggin champion already. The guy knows how to win even with his weaknesses. I think he will definitely learn from the Carwin beat down and come back better than ever for Cain.
Common sense is not so common.
- Voltaire
Even if his striking has improved....
we weren’t going to see it in his last fight. It was no secret that Carwin hits like a truck, and the plan was to get him to the ground.
I only saw Brock throw one real straight punch of his own, and even though it missed, it sure looked like it would have hurt like hell if it landed.
by naturalshadow on Jul 7, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Impressive but . . .
Cain impressed me more when he took apart Big Nog. I can not wait to see what happens with Brock and Cain fight, will be interesting to see how Brock can get passed Cains striking.
I dont think size will be much of a factor – Big Ben weights as much as Brock and Carwin and Cain had no problem at all.
Should be a good one.
Exactly
Not to mention the level of Athleticism that seperates a guy like Rothwell from a guy like Lesnar.
by naturalshadow on Jul 7, 2010 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And wrestling ability
Or does Athleticism cover that? Either way, Brock’s g’n’p > Rothwell
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Big Nog is a Pathetic shell of himself and his chin is gone.
Kongo pretty much kicked Cain’s a$$ at times in their fight.
This fight is the typical WWE equivalent of a Superstar/Jobber fight. Brock has zero to fear from Cain unless the guy’s name is spelled KANE. lol.
"Big Ben weights as much as Brock "
I don’t think Ben cuts down to 265 and comes in at fight time around 280.
Come on...
I have a new found respect for Brock but let’s be realistic, Shane had his way with the monster until he cramped up. So why Shane doesn’t get recognized is a fuckin’ mystery to me.
Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...
who isnt recognizing him? Brocks trainers? what do you expect
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 7, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
"Cramped up" yeah sure....
offer up the excuses, why dontcha?
HE WAS GASSED, Jido7! He punched himself out instead of pacing himself.
When he saw that Brock was effectively Defending his punches, he should’ve slowed down and looked for an opening for an elbow or something, if for nothing else but to catch his breath.
He blew it and Brock, like the CHAMPION HE IS, took advantage in the next round.
I agree.....
Brock should have thanked Shane’s cramps instead of his BJJ coach.
stop working on your jits brock and more on your standup
Now he knows enough to keep out of bad positions and he can power out of most subs.
He should work on his standup because cain is a highly underrated kickboxer and much faster than shane and he never gasses out. And i think brock would really have to work and put in a lot of energy to get cain down. And i dont see brock keepin that up for 5 rounds
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by robinhorobson on Jul 7, 2010 4:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like that he's working on his offensive jits
I remember the Herring fight. The RNC was open all day when Brock got his back but I don’t think he knew how to apply it. I was screaming for it
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
I'm sure he's learning how to apply it.
It’s just that ever since the Herring fight, the opportunity wasn’t really there for him.
training
And rosenthal helped brock weather first round storm
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by salamagogo on Jul 7, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Because Rosenthal applied a sleepy potion to Carwin?
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
no,but apparently
Brock applied a love potion to rosenthal
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by salamagogo on Jul 7, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BROCKS AWKWARD PUNCHING
i am a big brock lesnar fan but i will be the 1st to admit that his punching is awkward. i think his trainers need to make him relax a bit. they trying to make him box too much. i think instead of trying to box and look skill full etc they should just let brock swing for the fences. thats what they need him to do. hes too focused on trying to box. if he took full swings and swang for the fences DAMNNNNNNN
awkward indeed
Its almost uncomfortable watching him on his feet
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by salamagogo on Jul 7, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was clearly being being respectful of Carwins power.
Cain has a mountain of work ahead of him. His only real chance is to KO Brock on his feet. And considering Carwin couldn’t do it with Brocks head against the mat I don’t see that happening. Lesnar by tko in the first.
SWING FOR THE FENCES AND PROTECT AT THE SAME TIME ASWELL. ITS NOT A BOXING MATCH ITS A MMA FIGHT HE DOESNT NEED COMPLETE TECHNIQUE AND CRISP PUNCHING LIKE CAIN VELASQUEZ BECAUSE HE HAS OTHER OPTIONS ALSO TO WIN THE FIGHT
That leaves him open to punches..
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
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