'Animal' farm: Batista's addition to the Strikeforce roster 'a possibility'
by Jesse Holland on Jul 6, 2010 9:10 AM EDT
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"They have the desire to fight in MMA and we’re trying to put together a deal that makes sense. Is [Batista] signed right now? No. But is he somebody we’d like to see in the cage in the future fighting for Strikeforce? It’s a possibility. Just like we did with Herschel (Walker), we’d have to put him into a gym. It doesn’t matter what gym, as long as it’s a reputable mixed martial arts academy. He has to go in there and train because if he didn’t, we’d probably have a short relationship. [Batista vs. Bobby Lashley] would just be a fun fight to watch. We’re not the guys that are putting all the circus fights on but in all fairness, look at Brock Lesnar. He made the crossover. Why not Batista?"
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker is not opposed to giving former WWE attraction Dave Bautista (Batista) an opportunity to prove that he can successfully transition from pro wrestler to pro fighter much like his former stablemates Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley. The 41-year-old "Animal" has been flirting with the San Jose based MMA promotion following their June 16 trip to Los Angeles but as of yet, no agreement has been reached. Can Strikeforce come under fire for putting on "freak shows" in light of James Toney's UFC 118 pay-per-view? Or does it cast MMA in a bad light to sign every wannabe fighter who has a smidgen of celebrity status?
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We’ll see I guess, but at 41 years old with a history of muscle tear injuries and no background in legitimate athletic competition that I know of, and it’s perfectly reasonable IMO to be skeptical of Batista’s chances of making a successful crossover from pro wrestling to MMA.
He's got about as much of a chance at doing well as Pudz did
So no, I don’t expect much. Fighting Lashley doesn’t make sense either; maybe from a sales stand point if SF is desperate (and I think they are at this point) they’ll be able to make some $$ off it but from a competitive stand point thats a really easy W for Lashley.
Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 6, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
unless batista packs a whallop!
I’m all for it anyways. Easy to sell for SF for sure. Just throw it up as the Co Main and have… Werdum vs Overeem on the top half of the poster and Lashley vs Batista “The first REAL wrasslin match!!!”.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strikeforce has officially jumped the shark
Aside from their 185 tourney, it’s a fucking gong show. Even that one they managed to fuck up already by sending Dan to 205 instead of making Babalu join the tournament seeing how he’s already cutting weight to get there. Seriuosly after their next CBS showing, i would not be shocked if they EliteXC themselves.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 6, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strikeforce needs to be stopped before they completely ruin the sport.
Assholes like Scott Coker don’t care about the sport. Since he won’t be around long he doesn’t have to worry about the long term effects on the sport that his bullshit will have.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
fake wrestlers cause their morons
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They are shaking with their right hands you twit
I mirrored the image to have Batista first since it’s his post
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
how am I a twit?
now I’m supposed to know what you did? I just assumed they were dumb and shook with their left hands.
The Tat on Bats shoulder is on the other arm?? Wtf?
Am i goosed or something……..What am i missing?
There will never replace Cro Cop, Wand or Fedor, fuck the Haters, stay loyal to your favourite fighters, win, lose or draw.
yawwwwn...
Love how you all know SF is going away. I guarantee they aren’t. Your word vs mine. They’ll be fine. As usual.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
usually I agree with you on that worbs
but when I saw how much they overpaid a bunch of guys coupled with how bad their last few events did on TV and I think they just may down size, but not completely go away. But then again, one more Fedor fight may put them outta business!
okay so here's the thing
Do I think this is a legitimate fight that marks history in a great, meaningful way for mma? No.
Do I think its a fast track to getting SF’s name out there to the lesser knowns quite fast, and possibly providing some entertainment? Of course.
And Kevin, we’ve had this talk countless times. But, though I’ll never convince you of this, my feelings are still that as much as you say they are “overpaying” these guys, I think you feel that morally, they are. I don’t think other then Fedor, that they are financially burdening themselves. I think that the net profit is still higher in UFC and SF then they lead on.
Its all open to interpretation, and there is a lot of unknown factors on costs and income. We have educated guesses, but that’s it. UFC without a doubt clears much, much more. But SF could still be making a living, and perhaps for now, that is their gameplan. Do what they can, make a small profit, and hope for future growth from doing so down the line.
It would be then, that they stand a possibility to capitalize and earn a larger buck.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so is their net profit higher
or is the UFC clearing more and SF is doing what they can to make a small profit?
you kinda …no you really contradict yourself here Worbs. All I need to see is their last event, the gate was less than payroll and that doesn’t include venue, insurance or any other over head. I enjoy strikeforce, but when Robbie Lawler is making GSP money and you can’t sell out an event in Cung Le’s home town, they are definitely doing something wrong!
i am not contradiciting myself at all
Why do ppl have such a hard time reading. I said its debatable. I said that its evident UFC is clearing more. That’s blatantly obvious. Is it out of the realm of possibility in your world that SF is making less net profit to pay now, and hopefully succeed later? It should be quite obvious as it is with what? 99.9% of business owners? When you start, you eat your profit to pay bills and get going. You take home very small profit for yourself until you’re able to afford more due to valued growth.
UFC has established that valued growth, and customer loyalty. So they can now take large profits for themselves. That’s just how it works. Could UFC pay more? I believe they could. But they don’t feel it necessary and currently no one is rivaling them strongly enough to force it. Good for Zuffa. Seriously.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*ufc makes larger net. sf digs in to theirs to pay fighters
Lawler makes GSP money? You ask me alllll the f*cking time for facts to prove it. I would love to see this one here pal.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my bad worbs
I thought GSP was still on his old contract, but…Lawler made 25% of what GSP made (Lawler made 6 figures his last fight) and thats why SF will fail. Robbie Lawler is a 50k/50k guy tops and thats being really generous
I was just reading on BE that M1 is closing a couple offices and most of their backers are saying good-bye
Fedor freight train just came to a grinding halt.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
was just going to link it
maybe SF will be ok if Coker can renegotiate Fedor’s contract
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/6/1554710/report-collapse-and-panic-at-m-1
I like BE. They have the stories up really quickly and a lot of their posters are really knowledgable.
SF will have to renegotiate the contract.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Worbs, you're the same type of jackass that said Bodog would expand with their great talent
And Affliction and Elite XC. Strikeforce will cease MMA operations before the end of 2011.
Fact.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Worby's words
“Just throw it up as the Co Main "
Yeah great idea. Have two wrastlers with zero skills combined as the co-main event. Good business decision. You should be vice president on this sinking ship.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
fuck you i said that
Don’t try and rally support by throwing bullsh*t accusations my way. Use what little skill and intelligence you have in your pea sized head. I’m fine with my quotes and I’ll speak on behalf of them. But don’t try to make up what I’ve said in the past to try and garner support, because you lack presentation of facts to help yourself.
I wouldn’t do it to you.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
unless batista packs a whallop! I’m all for it anyways. Easy to sell for SF for sure.
Just throw it up as the Co Mainand have… Werdum vs Overeem on the top half of the poster and Lashley vs Batista "The first REAL wrasslin match!!!". by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 6:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There, now you didn’t say it. :)
What did I say you said?
I said you are the same type of jackass that believed those companies would be around. Are you a different type of jackass? Is that what this is about? I didn’t say YOU said these things, just that you are short sighted and wrong like the people that said it. I doubt you watched MMA when Elite XC was around, so you couldn’t have said those things.
You stand behind what you say? Please explain how having two giant unskilled wrasstlers is good for Strikefarce or MMA again. I like that story. LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Your words
“because you lack presentation of facts to help yourself”
Actually I did prove that freak shows don’t help an organization. You haven’t said anything that makes sense.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
wow great comprehension skills ulf and jay
Here I’ll copy and paste to show what you made up since Jay clearly can’t remember two posts ago:
“Worbs, you’re the same type of jackass that said Bodog would expand with their great talent
And Affliction and Elite XC. Strikeforce will cease MMA operations before the end of 2011.
Fact"
^ do you recall this Jay? ^
What an embarrassment that I had to even copy and paste that, or you would play as if you didn’t remember the idiocy you spewed to attempt to help your case.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you said it, I tried to help you out. The Bodog shit was on the thread above, not the one you replied to. If that is what you meant, learn to post properly to the correct comment or just shut up and take your lumps.
Don’t throw out insults when you are the one that is hard to follow.
ya and i hit reply on that one!
Its not my site. I don’t decide where my post goes after that. Clearly I wouldn’t deny typing something I just typed directly above. If you’re following along it should be pretty blatant. Nonetheless I should know certain types on here will only take the smallest of areas to try to make a case and argue for an unnecessary reason.
Take my lumps? What do you feel I’m doing exactly, by presenting and disputing with 3 of you right now at the same time? I kinda call that the definition of “taking lumps”.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How come when I came up with my plan for SF you called me an emo and went on about an off-topic rant?
You can’t dispute anything I said so you try to take the high road. That road is already taken, so back to the low road for you.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
bah, site error this, not my website that...lol (jk)
this part is squashed for me becasue I like our convo below about Bellator.
I was being literal above and stepped in when I shouldn’t have. apologies. Apparently you and jay need some quiet time…lol.
hey jay, pretty easy to take the big boys side isn't it?
Wow taking UFC’s side. A company that’s already made it. What a rebel, and strong souled person you must be. How did you do it? You helped build UFC with your strong goals and set mindedness on what would work. For this we thank you.
Now tell us petty citizens how to make SF grow. Use your vast superior knowledge and help Coker. Build it on strong morals right? Do whatever it takes to keep the hardcores happy. Correct?
Well Jay, that’s a genius idea in theory. But fact of the matter is they have to pull out the stops, to make themselves noticed and then they can choose to change the format as they grow and can afford to do so. How quickly you forget where UFC came from.
The same name, but 10 yrs ago it was a totally different game. Kimbo being the poster child for TUF, and a highly touted, and often spoken about ‘growing prospect’, leading into and fighting on PPV, taking one spot shy of Co Main was fine right?
But if SF (a company that is 1/5th of the UFCs) bumps this to Co Main, and its a catastrophic marketing idea to Jay “A moral, and upstanding citizen”, in his own mind.
Thanks for saving SF with your advice Jay.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sf isnt too new worbs
and they have ALL UFC cast offs…and Cung Le. There events are entertaining, but my question to you, would you pay 60 bucks for one of their 4 fight cards? I’m as hardcore as they come, but even I’d have to really think about it!
and thats a fair question
But the fact is we haven’t had to pay for shit. And people refuse to see any future terms. Its always “What’s now? Right now! I want it now!”
It takes time. And it takes a plan. And what’s so hard about not watching if you despise of their choices (not saying you)?
I hate the mentality that something is destined to fail due to the only "evident* fact being that they aren’t UFC sized yet. That doesn’t mean ‘certain failure’. Its a project. If harnessed well, it will grow. Like Jays sh*tty weed plants in his closet. They may not get others high, but they work on him. Good enough right? That’s the point. Just cause I or you don’t necessarily agree, doesn’t make it the right move.
And I know SF has been around a while. The idea is that they have only started taking threads and sharing the lime light in the last 12-24 mos.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bellator is doing a good job of grass roots marketing.
They are the real competitor to the UFC in 5 years, not SF.
Different model (tournaments versus individual bouts)
Different audience (Latin-American fighters and audience with ESPN Desportes versus US/Brazil/Britain)
Higher wages than UFC (if you win the tournament)
hey lookie here, someone who actually presents a positive debate on a topic
Jay take note.
Ulf,
That’s a bright outlook and a very true statement. Two totally different ways of going about it. Is it to say which is going to be the guaranteed right way 2-5 yrs down the road? No. But its certainly a plausible idea. Shock ratings (SF using “names”) vs hungry up and comers and a stay out of the way gameplan. Time will decide if one makes it, or both, or neither.
This also isn’t taking into account what I touched lightly on above, which is pre Dana, UFC wasn’t exactly all about class fights the first few years. SF could use what they are doing currently, and change their business model as Dana did, once they establish a fanbase, and feel the time is right.
Obviously we don’t know that they will, or that they’ll even have the chance to do so. But, I’m not one to cut and decease a thought, due to current situations, or negative outlooks surrounding it.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and since you can discuss without just being a prick ulf
On the topic of Bellator,
Do you not feel they too, will eventually cross the path of “Do we stay out of the way (of UFC), or do we go for (insert big name free agent here)?”
I feel at this point these fighters aren’t knocking at their doors. But, once they’ve established a steady org, what then? Don’t gamble on upsetting Dana by picking up his fighters? Or go for it and potentially wage war?
Its a nice thought that they can harness their own talent and “make it big” without touching UFC products (Heurta), but I feel they will have to eventually. Does that put them in the ‘Danger zone’?
Seriously not being a smart ass. You present a good case on their game plan. And its been working steadily sort of under the radar for now. Its once they hit that radar though, that they may find themselves under attack.
What do you think Ulf?
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They crossed that bridge already when they signed Huerta(a huge draw).
Just drive go back to driving your truck. It’s about all your pea brain can comprehend.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
oh look at jay skimming but not reading
…before unleashing a vicious 20 word rebuttal, covering what I already included. I placed Huerta in brackets, as a point that they already took a stab at UFC talent. But the point is it failed, and Dana has no worries about it now. He also hasn’t brought up Bellator very often. Being not mentioned at all by Dana is better then being mentioned even in a positive way from him. SF used to be a place he had no probs with in his words. That changed. So long as Bellator stays out of his vocabulary, they are better off.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You caught me
I can’t bring myself to read most of your posts. I read the title then ask myself “What else would a jackass say”then I just make my own assumptions about what the rest is.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
As good a chance as any out there to compete with the UFC.
At some point they will have to cross the path of the UFC. Actually, I think they already did when they signed Huerta. Too bad Roger didn’t study his wrestling a little better before going into the tournament as the HUGE favorite, becasue Huerta/Alvarez could have been the coming out fight for Bellator as a promotion.
That being said, the production value of Bellator leaves alot to be desired on TV, and if I remember correctly, Felix from Mania, went to the weigh-ins and events and said they are not drawing many people to either, but the shows had a “homey (as in down-home)” feel. The fighters were accesible and everyone was positive.
Bellator has everything in place to make a run at the UFC, major sponsors (Everlast), TV (ESPN Desportes) and a good product (good fights in a tournament setting). Will it work? I have no idea, but it will be fun watching them grow.
I also think that they still view themselves as a “minor” league in comparison, and I am sure that was a selling point to Cole Konrad when they signed him. I remember him saying he needed to get some experience at a smaller show before coming directly to the UFC. Bellator did not make him backpedal at all in that statement. I think they would prefer to stay in the shadows as long as possible because Dana is a bitch when he gets pissed at you.
agreed on all counts
And yes, that was Felix. He provided some decent weigh in pics as well. Perhaps so easily attainable due to the non huge show up of fan support?
I also feel that Bellator will have to make the cage smaller down the line. And they certainly feel their minor, like you assumed as well. And I said a similar thing about Dana just above as well. Same page here mate.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Advice for SF...Since you asked.
Quit trying to saturate the market with garbage. MMA fans know what garbage is and the public opinion will swing against you quickly.
Leave North America
Go to Japan and buy up Dream.
Fire Scott Coker and hire someone with balls. When you say it is a number one contenders fight-mean it.
Rip up Fedors contract and never co-promote with Russian mafioso.
Daniel, I’m not choosing the side of UFC because they are the front runners. I choose to watch them because that is where I started. I watch MLB and not Japanese Ball, because MLB is the better product. I watch the UFC because they have the better fighters. I do watch all MMA, but most of it is fly-by-night and not worth worrying about.
Unlike you, I don’t attach myself to the nuts of every underdog just to seem cool.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
You say some stupid shit
“A company that’s already made it.” They hadn’t made it when I started watching them. I’m not a TUF alum like you.
“But fact of the matter is they have to pull out the stops, to make themselves noticed”-That’s fine for clusterfucks that don’t know what MMA is. You claim to know your ass from your elbow, so this should seem like a shitty way to do business to you.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
you should know better then anyone that the hardcores arent what makes the coin
They are simply loyal. Use your wittle head there. You make the big coin off of the newcomers. We make the small market work. The foundation of fans if you will. I don’t get why you play so dumb. You know that Kimbo and even Lesnar were brought in to generate new eyes which equals $$$.
Yes, of course Lesnar is great. I’m not taking anything away from that. But he wasn’t a guaranteed future champ when he was brought in. But he was a guaranteed $$$ maker.
I’m not a TUF alum either. And for the record of course I was around to watch Noons and Slice and Carano in XC. I could tell you the house addy of the friends house I watched it at for fuck sakes.
You were commenting on mma forums when UFC hadn’t made it? Prior to TUF1? Bravo.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lesnar was not brought in to get eyes on the TV. He was brought in because(unlike you) Dana has a really good eye for talent.
I wasn’t commenting on MMA forums before TUF1, I was however watching the sport(again unlike you).
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
bullshit, jay, and you know it.
If Brock did not have WWE experience (regardless of wrestling skills) he would not have had very little hype or had to fight in the minor leagues to get to the UFC.
See Cole Konrad for an example of an NCAA DIV I champ who is probably a better freestyle wrestler than Brock with no WWE experience who is in Bellator getting experience.
He did fight outside the UFC first. And it was a schalacking.
He wanted to test himself against the best and Dana gave him a chance based on the beating he was going to inevitably lay on people. Look at the size and strength of the guy, was there ever any question he could be competitive? His time in wrastling didn’t get him a shot at the UFC, for proof look at Lashley and this new douchebag.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
WWE got him the sit-down with DW, the NCAA title got him the contract.
and didn’t DW offer Lashley a spot on TUF 10, which he turned down?
I am not bashing Brock, I am carrying a PT members card, but NO ONE walks into the UFC with $250k for the first fight without having a huge audience already in place.
I agree about the money, but his skills got him a fight in the UFC, not his wrastling fans.
Not sure about the Lashley thing, but he was already signed with SF at that point.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
it was clearly a combination of both
His wrestling background (real wrestling) helped to center the wrasslin background. It was dollar signs and potential more dollar signs that got him the gig.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clearly a combination of both? Clear to who?
if they were worried at all about numbers they would be bidding on this new dude and they would have talked to Lashley. Without legit skills he wouldn’t have been given a second glance.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Brocks a more decorated athlete and mire popular and charismatic than these 2
SF and Coker have shamed the sport, good job releasing your MW champion and instead Trying to hire a 41 year old injury prone pro wrestler with no pro MMA or any combat experience. No wonder the mainstream treat MMA like a joke no other sports team/promotion would hire people with no talent for the sake of ratings at the expense of talented guys. Nobody with any respect and love for the sport can defend this.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice sig Worby
Brock was given a chance becasue he was a star, becasue he was a deadly college wrestler, becasue he was big and fast. In the end he brought excitiment and the worst that could happen is he would lose badly and never be back in MMA. But what did happen is Dana gave Brock a shot and now has the baddest man on the planet in the UFC.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i agree puck
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with both of you
Brock brought money, but Dana’s eye for talent is great! Look at every guy he’s let go from the UFC, former champs getting dominated now
So are the former Pride champs
Fighters get old a new ones take over.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
good point
but Dana let guys like Huerta (who I’ve said was overrated from day one while most of you licked his nuts) go in his prime. I mean he’s let guys that were considered really good go when he reportedly shouldn’t have, then they tank.
no you defs dont
Instead you make no positive suggestions at all to help a company. You use your “uplifting” depression and useless down points to “help”. Boy, let’s all live by Jays ways, of being a negative and depressing person and painting that outlook all around the ppl that you encounter so whem something fails you can continue this negativity with a disheartened ‘Hah! Told ya so! Always be sh*tty, then when stuff fails you look smart, and if it succeeds hope your negative words are forgotten’.
Because you “saved face” with your small disclaimer about you still watching ‘all mma’. But since they are all fly by night except UFC, I don’t see why watch? Because you enjoy it right? Okay… Kinda doesn’t sound like you enjoy it. Sounds like you enjoy sticking your sad sally seed in the orgs that aren’t #1.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
Are you eating paint chips right now?
why don’t you stick to the subject and stop trying to be my therapist.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
LOL
“Boy, let’s all live by Jays ways, of being a negative and depressing person”
Are you really that stupid? Because I KNOW Sf won’t be around long and I don’t like them tying up 4 good fighters with their shit roster, I’m a depressing and negative person?
I give you far too much credit. You really are stupid.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I gave you some ideas that would work for SF long term
And that’s the reply? WTF?!?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
those are "ideas"?
They are a recipe for certain death. Your idea is “pack up and leave to Japan”?
Working out well over there for Dream I here? Pride? Ya, there’s no gamble in picking up and leaving San Jose and Showtime and CBS for a pipe dream. Great advice! Its a lock! Why didn’t coker see this huge opportunity before?!? Must be a moron.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's cool your a fan of other orgs Worby more than the UFC
But it’s the hate towards the UFC that pisses me off becasue no MMA fan should hate the UFC who brings the best fighters in the world to us on a monthly basis?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I never got that either with Worbs
and I could swear that worbs was bringing up how great dream was until I filled him in that they are failing and fighters have to beg them to get paid
Worbs
So they should stay here and continue to compete with the UFC for the North American dollars?
Ever heard of EXC? They had a sweet deal with CBS and they put sideshows on to try to get viewers, how did that work out?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
it was no longer a sport with fights like that
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i dont hate ufc!!!!!
I swear you 3 get together in a group and say “Let’s intentionally act like we don’t understand what Worby’s saying and shoot allegations and assumptions at him all day”.
Its always you 3. I dont hate UFC. I support more then UfC. Why is that auto hate? I dislike Dana’s personality. So what? He isnt UFC. Nor is GSP, nor is anyone. You hate a fighter, I hate his boss. Who gives a fuck? I love UFC. Do I not dicuss positives about its fighters and results? How do you guys blindly and so ignorantly paint me as this?
Just because I don’t agree with all of your brilliant outlooks on UFC and anti UFC doesn’t mean I dislike Ufc at all.
And Jay, yes SF should stay where they are
Kevin, I do enjoy watching Dreams events. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t facing turmoil right now. Their caged events are a lot of fun. And other then some way to extended theatrics, I enjoy their over the top spin on mma. It can be a nice change sometimes. Doesn’t mean I hate UFC though.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok
ur posts seem to indicate otherwise, and sometimes ur blind to ur own posts. u blatantly contradicted urself above about money, saying sf nets more than ufc in one sentence and that they dont the next, but then youll say we dont get what ur saying. We get it, what u fail to get is we all like SF, but realize their business model has changed and there is a good chance they could fail. for some reason u dont acknowledge that
and d wo called ME negative the other day
d wo is a damn sissy boy
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
please kevin. please i beg you to re read it
I didn’t say that SF nets more then UFC. Please god tell me that you aren’t going to tell me I said that?!?
My sentence may not make the most sense once I reread it, but I said that they make more then they lead on. Both orgs. The error was adding “net” to both orgs instead of just ufcs. They net more then they lead on. But sf takes that and pays fighters higher to gain down the road. Which takes the word “net” out of it. I shouldn’t have used it in that one sentence. And I figured you could determine that since I for some reason think you can be a smart guy. But then you pick and pick at it when I clearly explain it after. Man I’m arguing with 4 of you and typing like mad. A fucking misplacement of a word, is what you choose to take as your only dispute?
omit net in one sentence way up there
That better? I already did this with a asterisk like right after you asked. I seriously don’t know how else to explain it to you kev. Just ignore this whole reply too I guess.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
daniel worby:
" I think that the net profit is still higher in UFC and SF then they lead on. "
Please show me where I said SF nets more then UFC. Its pretty tricky to find that in my words. But leave it to you to do it.
My meaning was that I think ufc and sf make more then we think they do. But sf uses some/lots of it to keep “names”. I don’t know. Guess I can’t type it in a way that is easy to understand. Just frustrating cause I thought I was.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Worby
In the past you have a said a lot of negative crap towards the UFC, how the UFC treats it’s fighters are bad, how you think SF is better… And maybe your just a bigger SF fan than UFC fan and that cool but you do it by usually saying something negative about the UFC.
Yes many hate Dana, and I even hated him last week when he made the comments towards Fedor. But you know you have cut down UFC events saying they were not worth the PPV price and SF’s was this much better and it was free.
I know you might of been trying to promote SF more but doing it by cutting down the UFC is not the way to do it.
Was kimbo a freak show? Yes and he should of never went past the TUF finally fight becasue he lost, and these guys here are freakshows just becasue the UFC made a mistake doesn’t mean it’s good for SF to do the same.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
my bad worbs
I should have realized what you meant to write compared to what you did write. I don’t disagree with a lot of what you write, but something as ludicrous as SF making more money than the UFC and obviously I’ll question it. especially when their salaries were greater than their gate the last event. I get what ur saying now that u fixed it
I NEVER SAID IT EVEN IN THE FIRST TIME KEVIN. READ IT. COPY AND PASTE AND SHOW ME! WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT??? FOR FUCK SAKES I COPY AND PASTED IT RIGHT ABOVE AND YOU’RE STILL SAYING I SAID SF MAKES MORE!
NOOOOO I DIDN’T!!!!!!! Fuck man.
Puck,
I hear what you’re saying, and I did use to be more negative to shed light on the other side as ppl tended to be so negative to my side. I was using reverse psychology. But you’re right, at times it came off as a cunt move. But I defs didn’t say that the ufc ppv’s weren’t worth it anymore then once. I hated paying for tito vs griffin 2 as a ppv. That’s it. Other then that I don’t complain cause its 5 bucks a pop and a good night of drinking with friends. I actually told a lot of whiners to do the same. Pitch in and enjoy.
I disagree with streaming it. That I complain about. Because I don’t like the stealing idea. Think its bs unless you absolutely have to due to where you reside. And I also said they put on too many events in the past. And I stick to that, as a year ago when I was saying it, they had too many half ass cards, that could’ve been huge if they combined em is all
Did it stop me from ordering? No. But apparently it did others. See what I’m saying?
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I reread it Worbs and see what you're saying
it wasn’t very clear, but I do see where you said both their net is larger than they lead on. At first glance it seems like ur saying that SF nets more. my bad
lol god! thank you! i swear sometimes you almost give me a nose bleed you jerk
Fawkkkk lol.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do not think Dana and the UFC were concerned about the sport
when they signed Kimbo. Its always about the money and what will entertain the masses.
Agreed 100%
I wont be surprised if tey sign Tank Abbott and Dan Severn just to HAVE NAME VALUE. I used to think Striekroce is a joke……Now there is NO DOUBT they are desperate and shouldnt even be associated with mma.
Why not get Jose Conseco too? 50 year old Walker is bad enough. Hershel couldnt beat anyone with a half decent game. Fucking disgraceful what Strikeforce is looking to do Hey why not add Rick Flair too He would be a draw too, huh. I guess showtime thinks this is a good move?
Disgraceful, a 41 year that wants “in” mmma just because its popular. and you got clowns like Strikeforce/Showtime that will give them the time of day, just for a name(who cares if it is a disgrace to the sport)
TRUTH^^^^^
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
^^^FORGETFUL^^^
Why not Jose Canseco? Why not tank Abbot right?
Try this:
Why not Houston Alexander?
Or hey:
Why not Kimbo Slice?
Or even:
Why not Pudz?
It was okay when UFC had em. But SF leaves em alone and they are still a sideshow carnival. Why aren’t guys like Batista allowed a chance? Its not like they have to keep him if he fails.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
everyone (including Dana) knew Kimbo was/is a joke
Pudz??? I’m impressed he made 100k, but he’s never going to be more than a side show
Houston..I’m surprised he hasn’t been picked up by SF, he’s the most legit guy mentioned.
Thing is, at least DW admits he’s putting on a freak fight (Toney/couture), Coker is actually thinking signing Batista is legit.
I agree Worbs, good for Batista if he can make some money, but I think the point is, most of us see it realistically, not just from the “I hate a certain organization” stand point. Lashly couldn’t finish Jason Guida. He turns down fights left and right…He’s a joke!
Kimbo was used by the UFC to expose him once and for all.
Zuffa made Kimbo un-marketable for any other piss-ant organization trying to make money with the Kimbo sideshow.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
That's saying a lot actually.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
oh right!
Ufc ONLY picked up Slice to expose him so no one else could make money off of him.
I’m sure the tons of dollars made off of him was donated to charity from Zuffa.
Yep, they didn’t see any money to be made there.
Like I said, I present the other side, cause you make them sound like fucking saints. Its not that I dislike them. I simply include both sides. Not the magical side you seem to only see. There’s two sides. And they both hold water.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
of course they made money
but lets think about it rationally, Kimbo is 10x the draw of even fedor, still after he proved he sucks. UFC could still put him on fight night cards or PPV televised cards and make a lot of money off of him, but they aren’t, and that tells me they are more interested in talent than having some guy that sucks but is a draw. I respect that a lot! Fact is though, no one else is interested in Kimbo either, but I guarantee if SF does a PPV, they’d scoop him up for buys
well that guarantee is just an assumption
And I mean that with respect. You could very well be correct, but neither of us know that as a guarantee. Anyways that’s besides the point, what you said about kimbo is true.
And I agree that he could still be a draw but they let him go. And I truly applaud that. If you look back I posted that many a time, and go further back and see I have NEVER been on the Kimbo wagon. I appreciated his personality/humbleness but, I still had 0% fan support for him and rooted for Houston & Nelson & Meathead each time.
I’m glad they ridded themselves of him. And I liked seeing it. Good for UFC.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed Worbs
it’s obviously not a guarantee, but it would make sense. I also enjoyed Kimbo’s (real) humbleness as opposed to Brock’s, and they definitely could have milked him for at least 2 more events
Yeah Lashley is a joke, what kind of fighter turns down fights?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
well if he knows he'll lose right
he should be offered a fight with a peg legged midget, it’s a 98% win
UFC had Pudz?
Why bring his name up?
houston Alexander has actual MMA skills, unlike Batista.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
i brought his name up cause sf didnt go after him
You’re good at this following along thing hey?
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
surprised they didnt
they seem to like guys with little talent…but guys with names, pudz has no name value!
LOL.. ummmm..
We’re not the guys that are putting all the circus fights on but in all fairness, look at Brock Lesnar.
Is he trying to compare a “legit” athlete with a history of success as an NCAA Div. 1 wrestling champion to Batista because they both did pro wrestling ???
Why not Batista ??
Well because Batista is not Brock Lesnar.. that’s why.. Brock is a legit 2x defending HW champion in MMA that’s walked a tough road through MMA to success.
Batista will last about as long as Pudz did… Not to mention he is 40+ years old, history of chronic injury, no prior athletic, sports, or combat background and MMA is as real as it gets..
I don’t knock the guy for wanting to explore his options.. But don’t think WWE crossover will equate to the same appeal and success that Lesnar brings.. Lesnar was 106-5 as an NCAA wrestler and won a Div. 1 national title. He’s been training in wrestling for his entire adult life.. That’s why he is successful..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
7-3-10
BROCKLESNARRRR!!!!
Made my post a lot easier
You said it all.
Brock was an actual wrestler before playing in the WWE. He has nothing to do with Batista. C’mon SCOTT COKER, surely your computer has Wikipedia too.
I liked when he said “we aren’t the ones putting sideshows on” Yes Scott, yes you are.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Strikefarse
They really are clutching at straws, this truly is becoming strikefarse!
by the real mo on Jul 6, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What a joke
Batista’s 41? Wow I didnt realize he was that old and the steroid factor, there’s no way he can even be in the same sentence as Brock.
Does anyone know if Batista has any kind of amatuer wreslting background like Brock did?
eff it
Let’s see how he does before we bash him…batista didn’t compare himself to brock, coker did. Is he gonna win the strap? Probably not, but he will get people to tune in, which is ultimately what every org needs, albeit continuously, to succeed.
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And so does Kimbo Slice. He has proven to get people to tune in.
Was he good for the sport? Strikefarce must die before MMA is being held outside the big tent at the circus again.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
no,kimbo was not
And if batista loses in embarrassing fashion, I wouldn’t want to watch again…but I say give anyone a shot, if they honestly want to train and compete, and take it from there….long as they don’t hype him as some destroyer, having 0 fights…I’d def have a prob with that
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jul 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly salamagogo
Let him try. He’s already gone on record saying he’s not after Fedor. So what’s wrong with that? SF won’t keep him if he sucks. But, give him a shot. Why would they continue to waste money on him if he starts 0-2 in awful fashion?
They won’t.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah they wouldn't waste money on a talentless WWE star
Whooops they already have been. Lashley ring a bell?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
give him a shot
see thats where you’re off Worbs. There are 1000s of 20 something year old guys that are working there asses off (for yrs) in small organizations trying to make SF and eventually the UFC. What has Batista done (I honestly don’t know) outside of the WWE to allow him to leap frog all these REAL mmaists?
He's done nothing. Scott Coker is looking for a gym for him to train at.
This is Kimbo Slice/EXC all over again.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
. We’re not the guys that are putting all the circus fights on but in all fairness, look at Brock Lesnar. He made the crossover. Why not Batista?"
Maybe because Brock was a beast of a Div I and high school wrestler…That maybe the one dead give away on why Brock and not Batista. Muscles don’t make you a fighter and at 41 (after a decade of steroid abuse and nagging injuries) learning how to wrestle, box, defend the submission seem highly unlikely.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
You guys are funny
Everyone is debating on whether or not this is good for the sport? You have to take into consideration that this is not the UFC. This is not where the top tier guys reside, hence Fedor. So why not have a freak show once in a while. It will sell to WWE fans as well as everyone who posted here. If it is so unimportant to you then why are you debating it? Just an observation.
omit "hence fedor" ;) and word for word, that was a perfect post
Well done Chainlink.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are right worby
I shouldn’t harp on Fedor as much as I do. The guy has top notch skills and was definately upset by Werdum. He could beat Werdum 9 times out of 10. My problem is with some of his fans points of view (thinking he is the baddest man on the planet). He is my thoughts- Fedor is definately the best in the world from 205 to 245. With that said, I don’t understand how people think he could beat these huge heavyweights that are out there-Lesnar, Carwin, and possibly Mir, who cut weight to make 265. These guys would throw his 226lbs ass all around the cage. I am not taking away nothing from Fedor but I just can’t fathom him hanging with these huge guys.
To answer your question Chainlink
Some fans are worried what kind of perception the media will take on this and if it will be good for the sport in the long run.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
but puck
You don’t think Chainlink is right on the idea that if its not the biggest org (UFC), its not going to hurt it very much, if at all?
If some college OJHL has something comparable happen, does it reflect on the NHL and hurt its legitimacy? No, it happens often with morons that are there just to fight etc. Brandon Roy was a disgusting display, and it doesn’t translate to NHL harm, even though his dad is a Hall of Famer and coached him to doing it.
Ufc is fine. They’ll continue to be fine. And all they have to say is “We aren’t accountable for other organizations choices, whether they be smart or in this case not so smart”.
Covered. And true.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly Worby I would watch the fight and have no problem doing so
The only thing that worries me is the reaction by the anti MMA community. I’m not agaisnt freak show fights at all but these guys can hurt the legitimacy of MMA being a sport in a promotion that has some of the best fighters in the world. If this was Dream no problem dream has had many freak sho fights but MMA mainly the UFC is trying to get this sport legalized everywere and things like this can slow the process down or maybe even stop it?
I don’t know how bad this will really be but and it may do no harm at all to the legitimacy of SF being a professional sports organization? What would you think if the UFC signed both these guys?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Compare it too football
Strikeforce is college and UFC is the NFL. To me college ball is more exciting and funner to watch but I still see that the NFL is where all the skill is. I find that the several Strikeforce matches are more exciting than UFC fights. Take Scott Smith for instance. His run in the UFC was not very productive and anyone could see that he was not top caliber but in Strikeforce he is very exciting because he is matched up with guys at his level. I find that at times the top tier fighters do just enough to win and it is more of a strategy for them-compared to the fighters who let it all hang out.
i'd be torn on the topic if ufc signed em
All depends on what for? One fight, he impresses keep him, he sucks drop him, and I got no problem.
I think that it doesn’t hurt UFC when these things happen outside them from anti mma ppl, because there’s evidence. I mean look at buddy that just died last week. Anti mma would be all over this, but the fact is, until it happens in the UfC, that stuff is quickly forgotten and dismissed. Anti mma isn’t hurting us really persay. Its Anti mma once something HUGE happens in ufc. Cause then they will get support from current “fans” who will switch sides and say “Whoa, maybe their right, this is too much”.
A freak show fight won’t do that I don’t feel. Could be wrong I guess, but I think UFC is pretty darn safe mang.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
by daniel worby on Jul 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said thats not my perception but those that believe it will hurt the sport have valid opinions
I’m not well informed on the public perception towards fighters as far as the critics and mainstream sports media goes so I don’t have a say either way. But it does concern me that many feel that it will hurt the sport for being a sport to the mainstream sports audience?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
batista lashley kimbo herschel sapp hong ambriz goodridge
8 man elimination Super Hluk tournament..SF do this please
winner gets…MINOWAMAN
You must defeat me to stand a chance.
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