Brock Lesnar ESPN SportsCenter video talks UFC 116 comeback win over Shane Carwin
by Jesse Holland on Jul 5, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
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BROCKNESS MONSTER!
The ever improving and always exciting #HW in the world.
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
#1HW! LOL
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
He proved somthing to me too
Why is/was Fedor considered number one? Not because he is the most techincal fighter but because he found a way to win and so did Brock. You cant take that away from any fighter.
That said
Fedor would demolish brock …KO round 1 100% percent..Just like rogers
rogers was second round
"...they called me a rapist and a recluse; i'm not a recluse" - mike tyson.
by mmafigjam on Jul 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
100%? There is no 100%
It is easy to make predictions on a fight that will never happen as you can’t be wrong even though you can’t be right it’s just talk
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You really think Fedor could do a damn thing with Brock on top of him like he was Carwin? If Fedor and Brock fought 10 times Brock wins 7. Maybe 8. Possibly 9, but that’s as high as I’m willing to go.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Fedor had more KO'S than carwin & never gassed ever.
U think Brock can take fedor onslaught standing or his Gnp?
by d*locc on Jul 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there wouldnt be a fedor onslaught
Fedor would be on his back quicker than you can say
‘I have a big cock sword on my chest’
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya just like every1 said he was going 2 do 2 carwin.
U really think fedor wudnt of finished him if he had him rocked in th full mount position?
by d*locc on Jul 5, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats if
Could Fedor stop one takedown of Brocks? Could Fedor survive on the ground if he was on his back? if..if..if
There is no way of proving it but Fedor is no Carwin and Carwin is no Fedor so saying if Fedor was Carwins size and strength maybe he could of done the same or better but he’s not so there is no way to say he would have Brock in the same position.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Hold on a minute
Don’t forget Fedor size would actually be an asset not a liability. Fedor truly has the balance of a WW. Go back and watch ANY of is fights against wrestlers, most of them had a hard time getting him down and once they did he popped right back up. I wouldn’t underrate Fedor in this department….he was a multiple time Sambo champion for a reason.
I think you guys are making to much out of Carwins/Brocks size and strength. You noticed how Brock couldnt GNP Couture in the first round….that’s right Randy escaped and if he can do it then we have evidence that it CAN be done.
I give props to Brock (notice I am spelling his name right) because he is a true warrior and handled himself well when adversity struck. My only issue with him NOW is that he has still to many holes in his game to be considered the Best P4P. Congrats to Brock on his win even though I was pulling for Carwin.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
You could be right and I don't mean any insult when I say I think Brock could beat him
Because that’s what I believe and I’m not always correct. Must say though I have been more than not LOL.
I think it would be foolish to say it’s a guarantee either way and a reason I would love to see Overeem vs Fedor to get a better idea how Fedor handles someoene bigger and stronger with a good grappling back ground. Rogers was big but he has no back ground in grappling what so ever yet he was able to push around Fedor fairly decent. Now Fedor might of been playing around with Rogers waiting for him to gas before he went to town.
If brock was able to get Fedor down and I think he would I don’t see how Fedor even with all the skills he has would be able to out of Brocks grapple? Fedor has done some amazing things in his career though and I wouldn’t be shocked if he could.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
its all good Puck......I am reading so much nut huggery
today and granted it is warranted to a degree….but I want to keep things in perspective too when looking at a match-up that will never materialize. Some sound like it would be a shoe in for Brock to beat Fedor…..Im just not convinced yet.
Once Brock has enough fights under his belt with most of them being wins of course, then and only then will I say he is the Shiznit….until then the jury is still out. I can say that I do like what I am seeing thus far in how he goes about training and I think his attitude is right.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
this statement below
think you guys are making to much out of Carwins/Brocks size and strength. You noticed how Brock couldnt GNP Couture in the first round
um no that isnt us, thats the brock haters who have been making the big deal about brock’s size and strength…they’re the ones that say brock “only wins because hes big and strong”
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
go i hate when i dont close the quote tag and it quotes everything i say
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
*god
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Come on Hella, most of the posts on here
end up talking about his size advantage over Cain or JDS if they should fight and that wouldn’t be the Haters saying that. That would be the nuthuggers saying that.
Fedor lovers make too much out of his record
Brock lovers make too much out of his strength and size
and there is some truth to both of those thoughts…..I would just like to hear more about the technique that this awesome HW’s use mainly because I still believe technique can and usually does win out over sheer brute strength or size for that matter.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
OK here you go
Brocks standing technique is below par, but remeber one of the greats Josh Barnett and he has been for years, his ability to get a fighter down and control them on the ground combined with his size and strength advantge over most made him #2 or #3 for many years
Now I feel brock’s ability is even greater than that of barnett, his jj may not be at the level but it’s improving but his speed in the grapple in transitioning is faster than WW’s transitions!! And thats not exaggerating. On the ground Brocks ability to manhandle his opponets is simply insane! His 3X paws can wrap around any rist and control his opponents arms with his strength. Anyone that is trying to get out from under Brock will be using a great amount of energy becasue if they don’t there night will be over fairly quickly. the question against Brock will be the same as Barnett can his oppoent stop him from getting the fight to the ground? I would say most likely not.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Puck your opinion is duly noted
Barnett was definitely in the top five in his hey day, he just couldn’t beat Cro Cop and he split with Big Nog with Big Nog defeating him last. Both big Nog and CC were out weighed by Barnett and yet he struggled with them and would have struggled with Fedor as Fedor handled both CC and Big Nog without a doubt. It’s just proof that size and strength doesn’t alway win which is my original point. Does size and strength get you far? Absolutely! However there is enough evidence that technique can cancel out the S and S advantage.
If Fedor can get out from under Mark Hunt and he did, I am pretty sure he can get out from under Brock IMO. But it is fun to debate from time to time.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
you guys
Are you serious with some of these comments??!! Ok Brock is strong and has size, but to put it down to that alone is absurd!!! He has immense technique on top of the strength, plus its not like he doesnt work on his strength!! If mr Fedor wanted to work on his strength and physique im sure he would improve as an mma fighter, but he chooses to focus on other areas!!
If Fedor isnt a true heavyweight then he shouldnt be mentioned in these conversations and should cut the flab he has to to make 205. It annoys me that guys cling onto one aspect of a guys game, and wont discuss the reasons behind these strengths…the reality is Brock works hard on his wrestling, strength, cardio and reaps the rewards come fight night!!!
I also respect fedor and his skill set, however it sounds like you are making excuses for a guy…in a fight that most probably would never happen…just incase he were to lose?! Thefact is if they fought the best man would win pure and simple!!
Finally dont be absurd…Fedor does not hit harder than Carwin thats just such a nuthugger thing to say!!!!
Well said the real mo, well said.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Go Mo
Excellent post.
I think that people also have a bit of time distortion when they talk about their favorite fighter or the fighter they hate. Most people who do not like Brock talk about his first couple of fights when he was even greener than he is now. I was impressed with Brock the other night but I was even more impressed with how well he controlled Mir on the ground. He showed in that fight that he found a way to negate BJJ and that is a big deal.
Same for Fedor fans. They always talk about him as if he was still the same person he was in Pride and that is just not the case. I personally still make the argument that he was more hype than hitter but in pride he was the man no doubt. Remember that that was 7 years ago.
And finally I agree with you, saying Fedor hits harder than Carwin is insane.
by ASR on Jul 6, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not bad ASR....agree with most of your post
Although you are mistaken on how long ago Fedor was in his prime. If it was 7 years ago like you stated that would be 2003. Pride wasn’t bought until 2007 by the UFC. That would be 3 years ago not 7. While Fedor was in Pride he was in his prime and I would argue that just because Pride folded didn’t mean Fedor declined in skills…..thats absurd.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 6, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Warrior Saint
Point taken and I stand corrected. I will call his prime at 2005 the last time he fought and won against CC. He really has not faced anyone of current relevance since.
by ASR on Jul 7, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I believe Carwin hits harder than anybody in MMA even Fedor
Not to mention I don’t believe Fedor has the strength to fend off Brock like Carwin had either? I think Fedor is the greatest ever and still one of the best today I jsut feel the advanatages Brock would have are too much for even Fedor to overcome? Overeem would be a good gauge to give a better opinion though.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
carwin fought off 2 solid td attempts in the 1st round, and was able to use the switch to get back to his feet on the one where he got down
and that was off of pure brute strength…no one is gonna have the strength to fight off those tds the way carwin did….
the fucking brockness monster will store pieces of fedor in his freezer for the winter right beside his collection of moose carcassus
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I don't know P-dub....I will have to disagree with you on this one
Go and watch/google the Fedor VS Mark Hunt fight. Mark Hunt weighed about 300lbs in that fight and Fedor was under him and escaped. Hunt also was locking up a key lock on Fedor and it looked like it was over But he bursted out of there and put a key lock of his own on Hunt. Remember the 1st rounds in Pride were 10 minutes and Hunt was in control for 8 of those minutes and Fedor subbed him before minute 10.
Fedor is a winner and has a winners mindset in battle, he has been put in precarious positions before and each time, barring the Werdum fight, fought his way out to victory.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
The difference between Hunt's top control and Brock's is night and day.
Yes, Brock is big and strong, but it is his wrestling skill that makes him so good at taking an opponent down and keeping them there. If it was only size and strength, then Mariusz Pudzianowski would have creamed Tim Sylvia and anyone else he would ever fight.
by naturalshadow on Jul 5, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont disagree natural....you are making my point
that it isn’t just about size and strength…..regarding Hunt and Brock, the comparison works as it relates to Fedor being able to escape from underneath a heavier opponent. It wasn’t so much a direct comparison of their skill sets which is obviously different.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 6, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
jds is fighting big country
cain is fighting brock. Who’s carwin gonna fight. who’s worthy of a carwin fight?
"...they called me a rapist and a recluse; i'm not a recluse" - mike tyson.
feed him duffee or struve.
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe NOG
Loser of Big Country and Roy, Rothwell? One tune up fight then he needs to fight a contender I don’t think he needs to fight threee fight two more fights and by then The winner between Cain/Brock vs the winner of Roy/JDS will be settled.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i believe big country is roy ;)
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog vs Carwin, really?
If you want Nog to die then thats probably a good idea.
by Lester The Pimp on Jul 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Carwin has to fight a top ten and NOG is still one of the best
Loser of Roy and JDS is what I ment, really I think Carwin will destroy anybody that is not in the top four regardless.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
carwin will get loser of jds big country im pretty damb sure
and nog will get the mir rematch i reckon
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
Yeah I want to see NOG vs. Mir 2 thats for sure
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
damn*
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
who's thinking
they may do Carwin vs Rothwell?? It would give Carwin a win but if Rothwell wins then he gets a win over the guy who just fought for the belt which will make him rise in the hw division.
Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,
Rothwell has little chance but I can see that fight happening for Carwin first?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
This...
asshole is growing on me, I mean semi X-asshole. If he had the kind of attitude he had from the get go, I’d be a huge fan by now. But he’s not on my shit list anymore, I kind of like this guy. Let’s see how long this life changing attitude will last.
I think it's more about him leaving his WWE character our of MMA
It’s easy to see that Brock was a natural at playing the crowd but he got talked to by many that thats not the character they want to see in MMA. You have to understand that he played a role for how many years in the WWE it was jsut natural to do the same in the octagon.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Still on my list...but
I agree with what you say about if he had this attitude from the start he’d be a little more popular. He is only 32 and 5 fights deep so it’s going to take some time to lose the WWE style. I’m sure Dana had a long talk with him before hand about watching his tounge in regards to sponsors, etc.
I can see his point of view too. He came is as an underdog, someone who we thought was taking the MMA world lightly as just another way to make some coin. He was openly told by fans and press that he had no talent and had no business being in the octagon. Boo’d everytime he walk into the arena. If it was me, I’d be a little FTW too.
Signature ~ "Pending Moderator Approval"
Everybody seems to forget
That he was very humble in his loss to Mir. It wasn’t until Mir’s pre-fight rants and his personal attacks did Brock become a “bad guy”.
The Pain Train's in full steam ! ABM's look out.
according to mmabay…
BISPING vs BELFORT – UFC 120 Main Event
why did the condom cross the road? it got pissed off...
What?
I like the fight but not sure about main event!! I thought the uk was getting a title fight in 2010 mr.White????
by the real mo on Jul 5, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That sort of fight is the best that we can hope for
THey won’t put a title fight on a free tape delayed show in a foreign country. Having a title contender fight in the main event is the best alternative. I’d be quite happy watching Vitor KO Bisping in London.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 5, 2010 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
brock is the best heavyweight
theres is no way fedor or werdum have any chance against brock, he is turely the best heavyweight in the world today
by Andrew Rampage Spratt on Jul 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
Based on?
His 5 pro fights or do you know something the rest of the world does not? Pretty ballzy statement.
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because if werdum had tried that same triangle to brock werdum would have ended up slammed and ko'd just like smith did on sat to the gracie wannabe
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
gerald harris you mean right?
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yea him...dont know why i said smith...i guess because brock would eat anyone named smith or harris...and when it comes to food there really isnt a need to name it...once its in your digestive system its all mush anyway
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I still don't like Brock but I have to respect his heart
although his weakness to powerful strikers have been exposed. HW is an exciting division right now. I just don’t want to watch Yvel vs. Rothwell ever again zzzzzz LOL
How?
By taking a massive amount of punches in the grille by someone with bigger hams then himself? Maybe not ‘powerful’ strikers but just to strikers in general. Which means almost nothing since he survived and beat one of the hardest hitting around and still one.
I agree with you though, I don’t like Brock yet. But I am starting to warm up to the guy.
by LowBudgetJeff on Jul 5, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Weakness to "powerful strikers" have been exposed?
Excuse me but Carwin’s Power goes way beyond ANY HW’s Striking Power in this organization. PLUS, there’s no one else like Shane and his Fists. SHane EXPOSES ALL FIGHTERS to be “weak” against HIS “Powerful Strikes”, Rucker.
Don’t go acting like some big secret is out on Brock or something…
Can't wait for the consensus rankings to be re-done.
And also, Cain will get smothered by Lesnar if he tries to wrestle him. If he tries to ko/tko him he better punch him 3 to 4 times more than Carwin did and he better have a gas tank the size of Texas if he’s going to weather anything Brock throws at him. I see this being a long run for the new #1 HW MMA Fighter in the world. Who really has the tools to beat him? Can he even be knocked out? He took 60 punches to the head from clearly the hardest hitting HW in the division?
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