Shane Carwin: 'I know I belong with the very best, all I need to do is prove it again'
by Jesse Holland on Jul 5, 2010 1:19 AM EDT
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"The game plan last night was to be patient and let the fight come to you. When I had him in trouble the ref kept saying he was going to stop it and then towards the end of the 1st my body began to seize up. In between rounds I could not move my legs and had what felt like a whole body cramp. My cardio was fine but my body was not. What can you do? You have to stand up and face your opponent. Heading into the second I knew I needed to finish the fight or I was going to be in trouble. Much like the Champion he is I am sure Brock was thinking the same thing. I had zero takedown defense as my legs were dead to me and the rest is as they say history. Brock was a good guy through this entire fight. He did not talk a bunch of smack and he fought like a warrior. He did what he needed to do to keep his belt and that is what being a Champion is all about. I am going to have to claw my way back to the top but I wouldn't want it any other way. I know I belong with the very best; all I need to do is prove it again."
Former UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion Shane Carwin reflects on his second round submission loss to Brock Lesnar in the UFC 116 main event last Saturday night (July 3) in Las Vegas. It was "The Engineer's" first venture into the second stanza which also ended up being his first defeat. Now that he's has a taste of more than one round and the experience of falling short of the ultimate prize, Carwin heads back to the drawing board to work his way back into title contention. Anyone think he'll be back and better than ever? Or is this dog too old to learn new tricks? Let's hear some fantasy matchmaking for his inevitable return. Loser of "Lesnar vs. Velasquez?" Or how about the loser of "Nelson vs. Dos Santos?"
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I like him but he needs to figure outa way not to gas so quick. What’s he gonna do should he find himself fighting Cain in the fourth round!
by C O R on Jul 5, 2010 4:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Forget about the fight. Look how he carried himself win or lose
by LOKIE on Jul 5, 2010 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
4th rd w/Cain?
So you’re predicting Cain takes Borck down? Bold statement.
I like it. Dunno if I buy it. But, bold nonetheless.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with ya
I’m no Brock fan but I’m afraid Cain will be treading in the deep end with this fight. If Carwin couldn’t finish him with 30+ unanswered punches to the face what does Cain expect to do?
Signature ~ "Pending Moderator Approval"
and as fight metric said
60 in the first, to the head alone. Averaging a shot to the head every 5 seconds. I’m all for Cain beating Brock, but I just don’t see how. Cain also is a 240-245er, so when 285 Brock is on him, I don’t know how that will work out in Cain’s benefit.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain's cardio will be the only difference....Shane gassed but he can't be blamed...I don't think Cain would gas under the same circumstances though...his smaller size might actually be a benefit
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
McArthur
Two questions then:
1) Pre Brock vs Shane, did you believe Cain posed a larger threat to Brock then Shane did?
2) Do you still (if ever) feel that way now, post Brock vs Shane?
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if I had to pick I'd pick Carwin to beat Cain...Carwin's standup is better and his size would negate the small wrestling advantage Cain would have over him
I just think Cain’s standup, and smaller stature will help him with Brock…he’ll be harder to take down, he’s better than Brock standing and he’s got a good chin…I’m still undecided on Brock/Cain but I’d pick Carwin to beat Cain AND Brock if they fought again
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Carwin will be the biggest threat to Brock till he retires I think...what about you?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I just read Brock/Cain will probably headline UFC 119 in September if Brocks cut is healed
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I think it will be October or November next time we see the HW belt be defended.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
they're desperate for 119 fights and especially a headliner...
its the last weekend in September so its a def possibility
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I wouldn't doubt they have a Primetime for it too
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
McArthur
I totally agree. I think Shane is Brocks biggest risk period. And I think Shane beats anyone other then and quite possibly Brock, for a while now. I don’t see Cain beating Brock at all. And I think Cain loses to Shane as well.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how are things in Saskatchatoon? lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
A primetime with Cain would be very dull.
A primetime with jay would be more entertaining.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
lmao!!! jay's primetime would be jay sitting in diff rooms in his house rolling and puffin doobs
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
and typing away on Mania too...I should'nt talk though...mine would be much of the same
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I smoke outside.
But I liked the jokes.
Worbs, thought you died.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
MMA's sig must be a bet that he lost
Either that or you are joining Jay when he is outside smoking
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Jul 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Very bold Worbs. I just think if I was in charge of his game plan I think id consider having him putting brock on his back. I think he can, but no it may not win him the fight. With Brocks defense being in need of a major overhaul I think if cain can put him on his back he will have brock clueless as to what to expect and I think that’s how cain can set the pace for there fight. Can Brock keep up with the pace of cain of its not a one sided brockness beatdown???? Lots to wonder for this one. Ill say it again though. I predict cain takes Brock down early in the fight
by LOKIE on Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i sincerely hope you're right buddy
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think Cain’s gonna take Brock out. I just like how carwin carries himself and would like to c him up his game. Brock sort of laid out the blueprint to beat carwin; take him beyond the first round. Besides a Cain vs carwin matchup is a very likely fight within the next year, especially if Cain loses in his title shot. I think the only person that has anything on Brock right now is a JDS with a great game plan and a lot of luck. However we haven’t seen JDS against a high caliber wrestler yet. So I’m not completely convinced.
by C O R on Jul 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have been saying this over and over
I think his Cardio is fine. I really do, most wrestlers have good cardio. I think that adrenaline spike from trying to finish Brock and all the energy he put into trying to finish Brock would make almost any Lightweight gas and the fact that he is a big fella doesn’t help the situation.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Agreed.
Nothing is wrong with Shane’s cardio. He just punched himself out and Brock took advantage QUICKLY in the 2nd round before Shane could recover his bearings.
as a person, I guess he's ok
but as a fighter I’m not too sure if I like him. A whole body cramp? What? Legs were dead? Sounds like he is too old, or did not work hard enough in preparation. As a pro, these things should not happen after one round. In my opinion, it was humiliating and the look on his face while on his back, then mounted, then side choked and finally submitted showed me no, he does not belong with the very best.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Disagree
Gabe is far superior on the ground than Brock and carwin was able to get back to his feet pretty swiftly! It’s pretty obvious that bricks wrestling and strength kept the fight where it was, and to fin it with a sub was just impressive!!!
by the real mo on Jul 5, 2010 6:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carwin could easily win a rematch.
you learn from your mistakes and ending your career with a perfect record is impossible if you fight in the best organization.
tell that to spiders ufc run
Anyways, I was very impressed with Titanium Shane’ium. I was slightly skeptical of what exactly we’d see Saturday, and now I whole heartedly agree, a rematch is inevitable, and a Shane win is coming.
Doesn’t belong in there with the best the_Closer? He’s #2 in UFC hw for sure.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carwin would beat Lesner in a rematch - better that fight than anything else that Danass will throw at Lesnar now
There are no real heavyweights that will give Lesnar a good run now…..seriously. There should be a Carwin-Lesnar rematch right away but Danass won’t give that chance to Carwin as he knows that Lesnar is a money making machine compared to Carwin. Lesnar is one of Danass’s BFF’s right now because green talks; no different than why JB Penn is getting a rematch at Edgar instead of the # 1 LW contender……this is a business and Danass will do whatever the UFC requires to make money. Make no mistake about this – this is not about who the best fighter is anymore.
Lesnar is not at the level that Carwin is….if the roles were reveresed in the first round you can be assured that the fight would have been stopped with Lesnar on top.
Good on Lesnar for pulling through, but I would love to see a rematch.
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Jul 5, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed.
A rematch would be great. I wouldn’t want it to happen too soon though. Better when both fighters, particularly Brock, will be improved.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
There should not be rematch right away Cain has been sitting out waiting for his chance
When Carwin and Brock fight next time and I believe they will after two or three more fights Brock will have improved his striking D. Yes Carwin stopped his takedowns but if Brock had two or three more attempts before he got nailed with Carwins strikes Brock would of got him down. When your stand up is decent it much easier to set up a takedown.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
And you are a moron
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Jul 5, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And you have an odd username.
I mean “hairybumcrack”? And we are supposed to take you seriously, right?
Brock could Easily win a rematch, too.
You don’t think Brock hasn’t learned anything from the mistakes he made in this fight, do you?
Exactly LOKIE, he seems really honest and genuine. No one can justifiably diminish Shane’s efforts. If he stays in good form, a rematch down the line would be fitting.
Both guys impressed me in that fight. Although, Brock looked really bad in that first round. He won, but that round was terrible. He really needs to get confident at striking. He did not look like a guy who is comfortable being hit. Understandably, Carwin’s power could jolt that virtue out of anyone’s system, but Brock is still a wrestler. He needs to get confident at striking the way Koscheck has, but not go so far as to consider himself a stand-up fighter.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
That was my point when I said: “He needs to get confident at striking the way Koscheck has, but not go so far as to consider himself a stand-up fighter.”
Koscheck fancied himself a striker for a while there before he realized his exceptional wrestling base is something he should always have within his gameplan.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
you could say the same for rashad too
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Heavyweights - upcoming makeup
Brock vs. Carwin = Brock (July 3)
JDS vs. the Fat man = JDS (Aug 7)
End of year
Brock vs. Cain = Brock; a funeral date for Cain will be forthcoming
JDS vs. Carwin = Carwin
Early next year
Brock vs. Carwin = Carwin
I believe he can beat everyone except Brock! He'll be back!
by Danas A Crossdresser on Jul 5, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
After that 1st round....
I’m sure he can beat Brock, so is he.
thats what i was thinking
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jul 5, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It's good to see him already thinking about making his way back.
I’m a huge Brock fan but Carwin is my biggest fear of Brock losing without a doubt and I’ pretty confident he will make his way back and make for a another great battle! It’s great to see such a contested HW division there is no guarantee I think with the top four.
It’s good to also see him give Brock the respect he deserves as most Carwin fan have, to bad the Fedor fans couldn’t be as mature to do the same? I like Fedor but F is are his fans ever ignorantly stubborn, very loyal and I think highly of that but just plain old stubborn.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
hey they're not as bad as how Cro Cop fans use to be.
Or Ortiz fans (give it up already people)
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 5, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i dunno man...
some fedor fans are just plain insane… whatever a story may be about, they’ll find a way to mention fedor in their comments. it’s like they’re playing the 6 degrees of kevin bacon
WHAP! Shutup
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fedor fans aren't insane
They are logical, and sensible. Fedor simply has never done anything wrong. That includes allowing Werdum to win to help shake up Strikeforce’s HW division. Great man to help out like that.
“How can we learn to get up if we never fall?”
-Fedor Emelianenko
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hmmm...
Funny how? Funny like I’m a clown? Funny like I’m here to amuse you? I’m a f*ckin clown? Funny how?
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lol ;)
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Liked that one.
If you wrap yourself in daffodils, I will wrap myself in pain.
And if you're the queen of California, baby I am the king of the rain.
Not all of us are assholes
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
by Johnny WF on Jul 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stay Classy, San Diego.
Shane Carwin not only proves that he belongs with the best, but showed that he is one of the most classy fighters around. Why? Well, besides his humble approach, he did not bitch about Josh Rosenthal allowing the fight to go on. I can think of a couple of fighters (Brock included) that would have probably bitched up storm, but Carwin took the high road and acknowledged that his inability to put Brock away was what cost him the fight.
Why would Brock bitc^, your just being ignorant now
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Ignorant?
whatever dude, I have a right to my opinion, just as you have the right to respond to my post. Also, it’s cool if you think I’m ignorant, but I know who I am and I just think that, based on his personality, Brock may have had a beef with Josh.
by Il Gladiatore on Jul 5, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, based on interviews later with Brock...
he revealed that he truly thought that Rosenthal would stop the fight and WAS PREPARING HIMSELF FOR THE MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT as a result.
So yes. You are ignorant.
Have a nice day. :)
I think he was meaning maybe brock would bitch based off I don’t know the fact he already blames a ref for his loss to mir
by LOKIE on Jul 5, 2010 1:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He didn't blame the loss on that fact alone he was just pissed the fight got stood up
He blamed being overagressive on the reaon he got in the sub agaisnt him. He wouldn’t complain about a fighter taking his shots otherwise he would of bitched at the Herring fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock has narcissistic features…that’s why I made my initial comment. I think that if the roles where reversed in the first round, he may have had an issue with Josh not stopping the fight.
by Il Gladiatore on Jul 5, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Gladiatore the Ref job was very good. You know how i know this? Because Brock won lol. hello
He won the fight . So if it would of got stopped it would of been the wrong call. now shhh
Frankie must die.
doesn't even make sense
Truth of the matter is, it wasn’t a bad non stoppage, nor a good one. It just was open to interpretation. If he would’ve stopped it, there wouldn’t have been much uproar about it, just like there shouldn’t be due to him letting it go.
I think half of refs may have stopped that. I don’t believe there was a wrong call at the time where ppl were questioning a possible stoppage.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
worby this is your sig
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
Frankie must die.
im not sure if he read it yet . No Reply
he may have forgot we made this bet along time ago
Frankie must die.
totally forgot
If it indeed even occurred. You should try to find the post/thread. Also, kinda funny that no reminder or conversation regarding that ‘bet’ has emerged or been brought up in months (if ever). Kinda weird to have no reminder if you were confident in Brock headed into Sat night.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i also, truly hope thats not your true top 5
Sadly Brock is the closest one on there to being in an even remotely accurate spot lol.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I said a few times last week dont forget about our bet worby
you lost a bet to me a few cards back so i gave you this one to redeem yourself. IF you dont want to honor it dont. But im not going back and digging for the bet.
Frankie must die.
And that isnt my top 5 it is yours for a week.
I shouldnt have to keep track of your bets for you. The bet was made now be a man.
Frankie must die.
Speaking of bets anyone see Striker around?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
don't call me out on being a man
Try and disrespect me like that, is stupid. I’m very honorable. Like I said, I don’t recall. I also replied below to your question, quite respectfully too I might add.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock haters again
In don’t think ANY fighter would ever complain that a fight should have been stopped after he has lost.
He blammed the loss on a ref enough that he got in front of the Nevada Commission to say that he would not fight if he had Mazaggati again. In fact he actual gave the commission a list of refs that he approved of.
regardless, it's complaining/whining
I don’t see where the debate on that is.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
doesn't matter
I’m not saying I wouldn’t complain. Or other fighters haven’t. I’m speaking on the fact that he files to try to have him not be able to ref his fights. What other fighter does that before each fight? Let it go.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also Maz had his name put in the hat to ref that fight
He could have reffed.
Are you saying Brock is wrong for not wanting that fool reffing the fight? Like Jimbobb said and Dana said and Everyone else said Maz shouldn’t even be watching the fights, let alone reffing them.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Rematch
I would really like to see a rematch between these two giants. I was on the edge of my seat watching this fight! Can’t really see anyone in the ufc to really match up with Brock, I like Cain but don’t think he has much of a chance,
The idea of the possible fights gives me a feeling of sorrow for fellow fatman...
Even though I kinda like the guy, I feel sorry for Roy Nelson possibly facing Dos Santos and Shane Carwin back to back. Not fun for anyone, haha
Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...
haha well put Rockhard
I’m right there with ya. I’m still pulling for Nelson. He’s the man.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nelson will show us if JDS has any kind of wrestling.
If Cigano is lacking in that department (as too many talented Brazilian fighters are these days) then his hype train will be completely derailed.
If you wrap yourself in daffodils, I will wrap myself in pain.
And if you're the queen of California, baby I am the king of the rain.
Next Time . . . . :-)
I can not wait to see Carwin fight Lesnar again, except next time it will only be 3 rounds.
1. Cain will take care of Brock in 3-4 months time,
2. Roy will upset JDS,
3. Carwin will have beaten Mir again by then.
4. So as Cain defends his title against Roy
5. Carwin v Brock 2 will take place.
6. On this same card, JDS and Mir
Disagree to an extent..
1. Brock will dispatch of Cain, via far superior wrestling…
2. I want JDS to beat Chubby Nelson, and I think he will, just through speed and power
3. Carwin wont get Mir again – at least i hope he doesnt. Same thing will happen…
I would love to see Cain vs JDS down the line, and Carwin vs Chubby Nelson, just to see Chubby buckle…. you’d hear him fall from miles around……!!
Pain is weakness leaving the body
Brock beats Cain, Cain will fight Mir
JDS beats Nelson, JDS gets next shot at Brock, Nelson fights Carwin
Carwin beats Nelson, Brock beats JDS
Brock/Carwin 2
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
where does cain go? lol
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So Mir is going to be off for at least a year?
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
he'll get a can in the meantime
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
McArthur's call is the most plausible bar none
Down_Under’s version is utterly ridiculous. Each point is sillier than that of the preceding point. It would never go down that way.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After Brock beats Cain i would like the winner of Cain vs Carwin to fight the winner of jds/roy vs mir
and then the winner of all that could face Brock
Frankie must die.
Toney will dispose of Couture and move up to HW and get his title shot within 3 months
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Jul 5, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
NO NEXT TIME...as champion
welll… maybe a next time but Brock will not be champion… Velasquez, is a solid enough wrestler and once his glove hits Brocks Face he’ll turtle up and Cain will not tire as he pounds on Lesnar! Look at the times he’s been hit hard and watch how he reacts… Cain owns Brock.." bet on it",,, I will !!!
after Brock beats the shit out of Cain . Who will be your guy to beat Brock then. Im sure you were one of the guys saying Shane will win.
Frankie must die.
i don't believe any of you guys
…that are clearly posturing, when you say you’re not worried about Shane at all. Guess now that you boys have cleaned the sh*t out of your diapers from watching that first round, you guys somehow think Shane is dismissed now? He’s all but guaranteed to be fighting Brock again.
Then it goes right back to a 50/50, any given night, one of them wins. Too tough to call.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I stated yesterday that Shane is the fighter that i believe can beat Brock. I said there fight going into sat. was a coin flip.
and did you catch the sig and pic i gave you? I know your on your phone and prob cant change it till tonight.
Frankie must die.
yeah. i'll change it in good faith
I don’t recall the bet, but I do recall having turned down Hella’s request to bet me due to having bet someone already. That was a few months ago I believe lol. So I’ll take your word for it bro.
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by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tough fight to call but I think Shane has learned from his mistake and can finish Brock next time.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
maybe
this could be a couple years down the road. Brock may be a much better fighter by then and Shane will be 37
Frankie must die.
and Brock will be 35
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
oh..I thought I heard he was turning 33 this year...you know what I mean though...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
quote me saying that...
i watched the first round, it wasn’t pretty for Brock at all. I’m not here acting like he was dominating the fight from start to finish. So don’t try to talk to me like I am.
back for a rematch hey? not gonna even take the jacket off for this one
WHAP!
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lesnar doesn't get gunshy under fire.
Lesnar seeks to end the striking exchanges as soon as it is clear he is at a significant disadvantage there. Like any smart fighter would do.
Re-watch his fight with Randy, who is at the very least a solid/average MMA striker. He never backed out from those exchanges, because he knew he wasn’t at a big disadvantage. Every other time he’s been rocked, he’s done the right thing. Disengage or change the terrain of the fight to one that is more favorable.
And to remind everyone, Carwin wasn’t off Brock for very long in R1 before Brock threw a fairly nasty leg kick from the bottom. That isn’t a wilting fighter. That’s a guy saying “Screw you, asshole. I don’t think you’ve got any more left in the tank.” It is decidedly NOT a guy who is fearful of his opponent.
If you wrap yourself in daffodils, I will wrap myself in pain.
And if you're the queen of California, baby I am the king of the rain.
...........
he was completely gassed? leg cramp?!?!give me a break.
i was screaming at the tv for him to stand up when he had brock injured. especially towards the end when those punches had no steam on them whatsoever.
he defended the lesner take down in the first really well, and there was no reason why he shouldn’t have gotten up.
you need to realise shane put his all into this fight and couldnt put brock away. thers a diference in hurting someone and putting them away. shane said himself the ref kept saying im goin to stop it but i asume everytym he sed it brock moved or defended. this is the only chance to beat brock lesnar is NOW. because once he starts gettin experiance and better in his fight game because hes a quick learner. the only way shane could stop this gassing issue or cramping or wateva he calls it is by droppin back to 252lbs like he once was. but if he does that hes not gonna have the size to stop brock from bullying him around so thats not gonna work. and brock allready showed that although shane can knock you out brock is not everyone else and took 47. i dont know shanes a lovable guy but this was his chance to dethrone the king. i dont see it happening in the future because brock is only gonna get better and learn how to stop gettin hit rather then just taking them all. as brock gets better, shane gets older, as brock gets experianced, shanes cramps get worse. thats the way i see it
by f1 on Jul 5, 2010 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
very true... good post
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jul 5, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
brock took all those shots from carwin and he never pulled a frank mir or gonzaga and went to sleep in the middle of the fight – he kept moving and trying to defend and ended up getting back to his feet before the round was over(at once he has the chance he was still moving pretty quickly too).
I highly doubt Cain will beat Brock, I just dont see it happening at all. He didn’t look that great verse Kongo(Kongo kept powering his way back up to his feet/out of bad positions and gave up his back 1000000x’s in the 1st and still didnt get finished) and barely put away Rothwell, as he was actually getting back to his feet when the ref stopped the fight
barely put away rothwell?
lol were you not watching the same fight i watched then….he destroyed him rothwell has a chin of stone he showed that against Yvel aswell yvel landed so many big shots but big ben took them
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you hit on a few interesting points.
1. Brock is younger, and apparently in better relative athletic condition than Carwin.
2. Brock has six fights, Carwin more than double that. Neither guy has been doing it for very long, but Brock has showed the greater growth curve over his UFC career compared to Carwin.
3. Carwin originally was ~250lbs, but he bulked up in order to nullify one of Lesnar’s many advantages. I personally think it was the right move, even though it cost him endurance. If you accept a cardio, speed AND strength disadvantage to Lesnar, you probably can’t come up with a winning gameplan. Nullifying the strength aspect is probably the only one Carwin has significant control over.
4. Carwin will likely come away with the greater learning experience from this fight, meaning he’ll improve more specifically for a Lesnar/Carwin rematch than Brock will. The problem is, eventually age is going to catch up with Carwin, and the aforementioned Lesnar growth curve will likely have negated many/most of the experience/gameplan gains Carwin will make post-116.
If you wrap yourself in daffodils, I will wrap myself in pain.
And if you're the queen of California, baby I am the king of the rain.
Carwin's flaw was his strategy for winning. A simple adjustment and he should have Brock's number.
The referee is reluctant to stop a fight for the title. Carwin’s mistake was using a fighting strategy that includes the referee. He counted on the ref to stop it and he punched himself out waiting for that to happen. His ground and pound needs work. His strategy should have been to inflict damage. He should have used knees to the body, which would have forced Brock to drop his hands. He then could hit his face with elbows or fists. I loved every fight on that card! Note: The same thing applies to fighter’s who try to employ the judges in their strategy to win a decision. Bottom line: Fights are won by damaging your opponent more than he damages you.
I would guess he's only 1 fight (against a top 5) away from a rematch...maybe the winner of JDS/Nelson
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Losers do not get people with winning streaks in the UFC.
If anything he can fight the loser of JDS/Nelson.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
I don't think so...Dana wants Carwin/Brock 2 asap...Carwin's 35 and is prob the best comp for Brock not to mention the $$$
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
What???
Losers do not get people with winning streaks in the UFC. If anything he can fight the loser of JDS/Nelson.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
by freenow82 on Jul 5, 2010 6:03 AM PDT
How did Penn get his rematch then?
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Jul 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s hear some fantasy matchmaking for his inevitable return. Loser of “Lesnar vs. Velasquez?” Or how about the loser of “Nelson vs. Dos Santos?”
I’m thinking the loser of Nelson/JDS against Carwin would be the best move.
I hope Nelson doesnt beat JDS....
Please dont let it happen….
Pain is weakness leaving the body
For you guys guessing on the next fight...
You must not have heard Dana when he said:
“You’re going to see Cain and Brock fight, then coming up Dos Santos is going to fight ‘Big Country,’ and then the winner of that fight will get the next shot.
or you don't understand the question
It isn’t “Who gets the next title shot after Cain?”. Its “Who does Shane fight next?”. So what Dana said above in your quote is irrelevant to what we’re discussing.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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them thinking that some how JDS/Nelson will fight anyone other than Cain/Brock makes no sense.
That’s my point there buddy…
well you should be more specific
Because your question/wording was well open to interpretation on what you meant. Especially since the thread poses the question “Who’s next for Shane”, and you said “For those guessing what the next fight is”, makes it sound like that.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol didn't even notice til now
…but it looks like I’m attacking everything you’ve said on this thread. Sorry bro.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
its cool man…
Brock won… nothing can bring me down. I’m still popping bubbly like I was on his team or something, lol. Hella is missing though, he must still be out on a one man riot
I think he's making a new video.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
The Carwin/Lesnar fight
reminds me somewhat of the first Mir/Lesnar fight. Off camera, I’m sure Lesnar knows that he was fortunate. Carwin needs to be coached on control and possibly nutrition IMHO.
Haha.
It’s not fat, it’s his gas tank.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
It's crazy how a guy with that belly can have such great conditioning.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
Yeah.
How dare he put Matt Serra at #5!!! lol.
Shane
is an excellent fighter but he should have simply slowed down a bit and not shot his wad in 2 mins. He was like a teenager having sex the first time. Bam and its over.
I believe Carwin simply panicked and got caught up in the moment. He did not have the experience in Championship level fights on the grandest stage, under pressure to remain composed and think as well as fight. Brock’s WWE days definitely prepared him for that and then some. Shane will be back, but Brock will be better. Should be a great rematch in a couple of years.
yeah but at the same time who else would of taken those shots, Many questioned Brocks toughness, heart and chin and maybe so did Carwin? I know Carwin stated before if these fist hit anyone they are going out. Well that was proved wrong Brock can survive the most powerfull strike in MMA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock on SportsCenter next!!!!
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
Thanks,
I’m thinking of Serra should be number three and Fitch at five.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
This fight reminded me of Brock's first match with Mir.
Brock gave Mir a good beating until he got caught in the submission; Carwin was all over Brock until he gassed in the 2nd round. Carwin will win the rematch if happens, as long as he improves his cardio.
Carwin will NOT win the rematch.
Brock would be much improved and would’ve developed a better Stand-up Defense by that point.
This time, Brock ended the fight with a submission.
Next time, he will end it with some Good ol’ GnP in the 2nd Round.
Carwins the shit,
and possibly the only man who can beat Brock haha
He'll be back..
Okay guys look at this: Cain vs. Brock in Sept. Winner gets JDS/Big Country. Carwin gets the loser of Brock vs. Cain. Loser of JDS/Big Country gets Mir/Big Nog. This is how it will play out. Personally, I want to see a rematch between Brock and Shane just because they are the biggest in the division and because they could create a trilogy or rivalry in the making!! What do you guys think?!
by Future__MMaChamp on Jul 5, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
I think your right
I said before I trhink these two are the best and my opinion stays the same after 116.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
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