UFC rankings/MMA rankings featured in USA Today for July 2010
by Jesse Holland on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
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Our partners in crime over at BloodyElbow.com have once again published their divisional rankings for mixed martial arts in the nation’s largest daily newspaper, USA Today, for the month of July 2010.
For those of you unfamiliar with the process, here’s how it works:
"The rankings, which will offer a definitive perspective of top MMA fighters across all weight-classes, will be released monthly and published in the Sports section of USA TODAY, online at USATODAY.com and on SB Nation’s MMA commentary and community blog, BloodyElbow.com … The USA TODAY/SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings are compiled each month by Nate Wilcox and Richard Wade of BloodyElbow.com. The rankings utilize each of the top MMA rankings from multiple unique sources. A weighted-formula is applied to normalize and distill the various rankings into one consensus ranking per weight class."
To check out the latest USAT/SBN rankings click here. We’ve also listed their top 10 in each class after the jump for your convenience.
Heavyweight:
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Cain Velasquez
4. Fabricio Werdum
5. Shane Carwin
6. Junior dos Santos
7. Frank Mir
8. Alistair Overeem
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Josh Barnett
Light Heavyweight:
1. Mauricio Rua
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Rashad Evans
4. Quinton Jackson
5. Anderson Silva
6. Forrest Griffin
7. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
8. Muhammed Lawal
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Thiago Silva
Middleweight:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Chael Sonnen
3. Jake Shields
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Vitor Belfort
6. Demian Maia
7. Dan Henderson
8. Yushin Okami
9. Jorge Santiago
10. Robbie Lawler
Welterweight:
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Nick Diaz
6. Dan Hardy
7. Martin Kampmann
8. Paulo Thiago
9. Matt Hughes
10. Paul Daley
Lightweight:
1. Frank Edgar
2. B.J. Penn
3. Gilbert Melendez
4. Kenny Florian
5. Eddie Alvarez
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Gray Maynard
8. Tatsuya Kawajiri
9. George Sotiropoulos
10. Evan Dunham
Featherweight:
1. Jose Aldo
2. Manny Gamburyan
3. Mike Brown
3. Urijah Faber
5. Marlon Sandro
6. Bibiano Fernandes
7. Hatsu Hioki
8. Josh Grispi
9. Michihiro Omigawa
10. Masanori Kanehara
Bantamweight:
1. Dominick Cruz
2. Brian Bowles
3. Joseph Benavidez
4. Miguel Torres
5. Scott Jorgensen
6. Takeya Mizugaki
7. Masakatsu Ueda
8. Rani Yahya
9. Damacio Page
10. Wagnney Fabiano
What do you think? How much will these rankings change after the very busy month of MMA action this August?
Share your ranking rants in the comments section below.
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All Aboard The Pain Train!! Brock a Brock a Boom Boom!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Chuka chuka chucka chucka
Brock SMASH little bald fat man grrrr(-_-)
Fedor "The Last Can Crusher" Emelianstinko finally falls at the hands of a washed up UFC Contender...the Irony:)
These Ratings are ridiculous
Frank Mir being above Overeem is insane. Whos paying who dana?
Of course Mir is above Overeem.
Reem only has fought cans over the last couple years except for Rogers. Mir fought the best.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Agreed...
Mir should be above Overeem. He handles Brett Rogers and people think he’s amazing all of a sudden.
Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest like nobody else could. GSP can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a so, so fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or just toys with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds. He's bored at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW.
Lesnar isn't the most skilled fighter but until somebody beats him he is the #1 HW in the world. It's obviously not Fedor and sure as hell isn't Werdum!
The question is how good is Brett Rogers? I would like to see him and Bigfoot go at it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I heard Rogers is fighting AA next. AA wants his rematch.
I like the sounds of it. There’s no one for AA or Rogers to fight anyway.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Yeah I would like to see that
But I also would like to see Rogers against someone else like Big Foot to get a better idea on were he is at?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don't think so, who has Overeem beat to rank higher than Mir?
As a matter of fact ranking Overeem higher right now would be blasphemy.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir is more proven at MMA than Overeem.
The best fighter in the HW division Overeem has faced is Rogers? How does that deserve a better rating than Mir?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The Nog fights alone justify Mir above Overeem.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I agree too...Reem would tool Mir fairly handily but these rankings aren't based on assumptions
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I hope the Reem comes to the UFC
I actually think now I would be as excited to see him in the UFC as Fedor?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
these rankings are clearly based on assumptions.
rankings should always be objective.. I’d be more interested in seeing 2 separate rankings, one for the UFC and one for all fighters outside the UFC, that would be more fair and realistic.
Also the UFC should start planning a little better by setting up yearly schedules for each of their weight divisions, so they can sort out where the fighters really stand, i see too many “money” matches and “prospect” matches being made, like treat all fighters after how they perform and nothing else. Guess this will never happen though cuz the UFC is the most commercialized organization in MMA and their matchmaking is more often than not favoring the more popular fighter, which is so wrong in every sense.
your mother !
JDS is ahead of Shane Carwin btw.
he’s won 5 and lost 0 inside the octagon. shane has only won 4 and lost 1.
forrest griffin is out of the picture at lhw having him at #7 is horrible.
your mother !
Forrest beat the number 1 and 4 guys and lost to the number 3 guy doesn't sound to bad at seven if you ask me
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
listen.
I don’t care who he beat or who he’s lost to . would u try to be objective for once.
your mother !
You have to go with what’s proven, not with what you think would happen. ( In ranking that is)
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly what i’m saying, count his wins and losses compared to other fighters in say the last 5-7 fights, forrest does not stack up well.
your mother !
Wins and losses don't tell you everything there are many fighters with great records than Ken Shamrock could kill
It’s who you win and lose to Roberto. Just looking at records doesn’t tell you how good a fighter is.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ken shamrock? he’s like 1-7 in his last 8.
rankings aren’t supposed to tell how good these guys are, it’s supposed to say how good they’ve done and they change every other month so fighters with good records are going to lose if they’re not that good.. you don’t count fights from 4 yrs back, use some common sense bro.
your mother !
That doesn't work when most of these guys aren't fighting each other.
If you can’t count records from 4 years ago…
Nog and Fedor wouldn’t be in the top 10 at all.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I'm saying that there are guys with good records that Ken Shamrock would be able to beat
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Carwin only lost to the #1 HW, JDS has yet to face a top five?
How can you be a top five without winning against a top five? AA won five in a row(should of lsot to Roy but thats beside the point) and looked what happened he proved he was never a top five. It’s one thing winning but it depends on who against.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That's his only fight in the top 5 though, JDS has faced better comp in the UFC
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin beat a top five and be a top five you have to beat a top five
It’s like the saying to be the best you have to beat the best and I’m sorry Yvel, GG and CC don’t prove he is better than Mir. JDS needs to face a top five oppoent.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I still feel Carwin is the 2nd best and him dropping 5 for losing to the best is a little much
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yeah
You can only really give your opinion when judging fighters that have common opponents at the very least and even then it’s hard to say because some fighters might just have this guys weakness but another fighter might have yours. And as far as rankings go they change all the time wich proves they are not 100% just a guage.
Outside the UFC it would be Overeem, Fedor & Werdum as the top three as far as pluggin them in with the UFC fighters it’s mainly opinion.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
what are u talking about? i don’t care who carwin’s beaten, do u not see that winning is the only way to reach the top.
u need to start leaving all your opinions at home and form a ranking based on reality.
only in america would they be so stupid or smart to have sport that allows people to be subjective, cause they can do whatever the hell they want then… the whole american community and country is commercialized.
your mother !
It depends who you win against
If you win 20 times in a row does that make you #1 No beit doesn’t you have to beat someone ranked higher than yourself to move up the ladder thats the only way it should be. I can find many fighters with great records Roberto but they would get there ass kicked agaisnt a top ten.
So once again anybody that wins five in a row does not prove they are a top five. By what your saying John Madsen who is 6-0 should be atop ten LOL C’mon I know your smarter than that Roberto?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So a fighter who is 8-0 beating b level fighters...
Should be ranked higher than someone who is lets say 10-2, that has beaten everyone in the top 10 but has lost to the champ 2 times?
If you are talking soccer/football:
Spain plays , Brazil, Netherlands, Germany, Argentina, England and Uruguay. They go 4-2.
The US Soccer team plays: Latvia, Cyrus, Iran, Angola, Belarus, and Iceland. They go 6-0.
So the US soccer team is better than Spain for winning all their games agains Top 50-100 teams, rather than the top 10 teams that Spain played?
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your mother !
Regardless wins and losses don't determine how good of a fighter you are
it depends on who those wins and losses come against.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Do you need glasses puck head?
Is werdum ranked in the top five? I remember jds murdering him.
He was not in the top five when JDS fought him LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He was close, if he won that fight he was gonna get a title shot
And he is in the top 5 now, its not like jds fought him 10 years ago lol
he was not or was… whatever dude drop your shit, your way of thinking belongs in a container somewhere in sudan, you are clearly a victim of all the commercial these news sites put out and what they tell you on the ufc broadcasts.
your mother !
I'm the victim?? LOL
Your the one that looks at a record regardless of the talent that record came from LOL I would say your one of the guys that is easily fooled by a record over talent now thats commercial fan. You have their talent and what kind of talent they have faced a record can easily be misleading, especially to the less educated fan that can only look at a record when judging talent?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
this post was directed towards puck head.
just drop it by your way of thinking junior dos santos is the #1 or #2 hw in the world cause he beat werdum who beat fedor and let’s face it your formula is something you made up for yourself.. be factual and look at their past 5 fights, how many wins and losses they have and in which organization they fought in, all of our opinions are worthless..
your mother !
LOL
Thats a better arguement wins don’t mean your the best Mike Russow who just beat Duffee is on a 9 fight winning streak I guess he should be in the top five? LOL I didn’t think so.
Now lets get to your second point wich is much better than your first Roberto and a very debatable. But my opinion is still you can’t get into the top five unless you beat a top five. Werdum beat a top five and the fighter he is now is impossible to say is the same as the fighter JDS fought. It would be like saying beating Cro Cop now makes you a top five? Much better point though Roberto becasue Werdum appears to be around the same calibure?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
PS my personal opinion is the top four UFC
Fighters are
Brock, Carwin, Cain & JDS and I beleive their rankings show in that order just for UFC fighters?
Now Werdum is a fighter in his prime that showed he was around #7 when JDS beat him and has won since and was number 8 and Fedors first opponent in sometime that was not on the decline of their careers. And I think becasue of that Fedor should of fell closer to Werdeums ranking than Werdum jumped closer to Fedors ranking but rankings are not 100% and never will be otherwise they would rarely change.
JDS vs Cain I would be 50/50 on but I think Cains ground game would prove to be the difference. If JDS shows a good ground game I could be wrong for sure but thats why I love MMA there is no guarantee.
Now when I say you have to beat a top five thats not 100% either becasue if the #5 guy lost and you were 6 then you could move into the top five and regardless I believe he is a top five and not Werdum. I beleive if Fedor gets a rematch this will be proven.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Close does not count
Like I stated to be a top five you have to beat a top five. Now if Werdum was a top five then JDS would be ranked in the top five then.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Hell werdum probably was top 5 at that point
cain and carwin weren’t relevant at that point, I would like to see where werdum was ranked at the point he fought jds.
How so Roberto what match ups are you talking about
Yes Jones and the Janitor is one but this happens in every org once in awhile. But if you look at the quality of the UFC match ups compared to anywere else the UFC kills. MCArthur doesn’t even have to many SF or dream becasue the fights are much more lopsided and easy to pick?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
at the end of the day, who gives a fuck whether some internet warrior ranks MIr above Overeem or not. All that matters is that Overeem is by far the better fighter and would absolutely smash Mir if they fought.
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This is why I love rankings, cause I'd take that bet!
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think beating Rogers is like beating Duffee, either way doesn't prove your a top ten.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yeah.
I’d pick a guy who’s winning over a guy that’s getting his brain smashed in each and every fight.
your mother !
Winning? One fight is winning?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He got his face smashed in by Brock and Carwin though.
Mir has to be ranked higher than OVereem right now even though Reem would smash him.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I don't know about that
I think it would be a great match up? Thats my opinion anyway.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You think Mir beats Reem?
With what though? Takedowns and a sub? He can’t stand with Reem for a minute or he’s dead. Whatcha thinking on this one, good buddy?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I think Mir is better battle tested for MMA
The last two HW fights Overeem has fought in SF is Rogers and Buentello. Infact Paul lasted to the second with Overeem? Were Frank has fought Brock, Carwin, NOG, Kongo who I believe would all beat Overeems latest opponets?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
OPponents aside..
I know Frank has fought better competition(he’s in the UFC where most of the best HW’s are now), tell me what Frank does well or good enough to beat Overeem. Are you thinking he could tie him up against the fence and stall a win out, or are you thinking he could stop him?
I just don’t see anything that Frank does well enough to give REem trouble. He won’t KO him so he has to get the fight to the ground and get it there without getting hit. I don’t see it happening in any fashion. His take downs are garbage and Reem is faster and stronger than him.
I just don’t see it, Puck. I don’t.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
First off I think Carwin and Brock would throw around Overeem too
And I would not give Overeem much if any of a power advantage. I think talent wise they are very close but how will a fighter that is use to fighting much easier fights handle being in a contested fight? Thats were I really give Mir an advantage in a close fight. Striking wise Overeem may be a better K1 striker but in MMA I would call it close with Frank. On the ground I think Frank takes it, Overeem looks good on the ground against one diminsional fighters but when faced against good ground fighters he has had problems.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
hmmm
I think Mir would fold the first time Reem landed on him, which would be early and often. Too bad we’ll probably never find out who’s right.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
you are, Mir in a stand up fight with the REEM doesn’t last long and Mir has no takedowns! + Overeem is actually pretty good on the ground and is on hell of an athlete right now, i mean he’s 6’5 and way faster and more technical than say Carwin.
your mother !
who knows they would have to be in the same organization to found out, i won’t get too carried away here but Mir’s record is 13-5 he should improve on that before he is mentioned as a legendary HW fighter.
your mother !
First off I think Overeems striking is overrated, yes he’s in K1 but he has yet to win the tournament infact when he faced paul buentello for the SF belt paul for the short time the fight was standing was getting the better of the two standing. Of coarse Overeem got him down and mauled eventually tapping Paul in the second wich is no surprise we seen Rothwell do the same as Pauls ground game sucks. Before Paul he was a smaller HW and even a LHW so it’s hard to say but strikes from smaller opponents like Rua, Arona and Lil NOG were able to KO Overeem imagine what a strike from Carwin would do LOL? No matter how much muscle mass he has put on since does not make the chin more solid.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
First off I think Carwin and Brock would throw around Overeem too
And I would not give Overeem much if any of a power advantage. I think talent wise they are very close but how will a fighter that is use to fighting much easier fights handle being in a contested fight? Thats were I really give Mir an advantage in a close fight. Striking wise Overeem may be a better K1 striker but in MMA I would call it close with Frank. On the ground I think Frank takes it, Overeem looks good on the ground against one diminsional fighters but when faced against good ground fighters he has had problems.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fabricio werdum ranked number 4? Fuckin rediculous
by IcEMaN5523 on Jul 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Light Heavyweight
Probably the last time that we don’t see Jon Jones on that list…
"I have fought some of the best world in the men and beat em"
I like Andy at number 5 and closing myself.
@ britches Or Bader .
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
WHO HAS MIR BEAT?
He beat lesnar (barely) in his first ufc fight, Cheick Kongo? Is that who youre referring to? Or maybe Nog days after being in the hospital? Antoni Hardonk? Im not saying Reem should be number one but the fact that Mir is on here after his recent string is crazy to me
We will see Mir face a NOG that hopefully has no staff shortly to see CEEZEE
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I dont think
that when they are compiling the rankings they dont consider a guy like Nogs health days before the fight, only who won and who lost
Yes jet99 that is right. It's only opinion that NOG's staff was a factor
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That wasnt my point
The point being that a guy who is coming up on a .500 win percentage with less than 20 pro fights who has fought absolute cans or fighters with some sort of caviet shouldnt be on the list IMHO. Also I think Frank Mir is a douchebag, so maybe thats where all of this is coming from
Also I think Frank Mir is a douchebag, so maybe thats where all of this is coming from
I think so, Mir is talented but has shown weakness agaisnt the bigger guys but also in my opinion Brock & Carwin will prove to be the two best down the road and when you lose to the #1 and #2 HW fighters in the UFC at the time he fought them you can’t drop in rankings to much.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Reem got tapped by Nog Mir knocked Nog out that's all there is to it.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
really? mma math? c'mon, you can do better.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I'm sorry
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Thought Id point something out
And for what its worth the list isnt “who has proven more in MMA” its a CURRENT rankings system.
Yes this is not a all time ranking.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
For the Munoz lovers on Sunday...
There is a reason Okami is on this list and Munoz has never fought anyone on this list.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I like the modern Munoz but Im thinking Okami FTW. Absolutely.
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
Munoz is not modern...he is Coleman w/o the headbutts. Tito with no charisma. Captain America without being a Captain or American!
He has good GnP. That is all.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Yeah and he doesn't have half the shot that any of those guys have, I like Munoz but Okami just has more ways to win.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Grove peppered his face and stopped his takedowns in the first...
Okami is bigger, stronger and more accurate than Grove. Plus, if you lose your hips, he will toss your ass.
Okami FTW!
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
SHhhhh
Ulf don’t tell everybody that Okami is a lock, I don’t want everyone getting that free point.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
by modern i ment more experience team black house trained munoz
he’s a tough guy who could beat anybody having a bad night.
BUt like i said. Okami – i’ve heard he’s working hard…
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
by Bigger Zino on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaahhhhhh....
Blackhouse could make hima beast. Not for this fight though. 2 years and he could be amazing.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Barnett at #10 at HW is just embarrasing
good god. Get a clue. And I stick up for Josh on the reg. But come on.
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
Yeah but who else are you gonna put there?
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnett is still top 10, IMO...
He is just too stupid to not get caught.
I think he beats Mir, Nog, Roids and Werdum, today. .
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Overeem would handle Josh. The rest of em - yeah he could get a solid UD.
Overeem is going to be the next #1 HW outside the UFC. He will beat everyone. Watch and see.
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
Weakness is wrestling.
Since the best wrestlers are in the UFC, other than Barnett, he has an easy path to #1 outside the UFC.
But there are rumors of Barnett to SF. Then we could see, my friend.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Could be BZ, and Overeem also has stated interest in coming to the UFC
The current Overeem is hard to judge because the talent of Rogers is unknown still on how good he is.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Reems striking is grossly overlooked in North America.
He will have a hard time with wrestlers but his strength/brute force should be an adequete equalizer.
His striking is off the chain. And not many UFC’ers in the HW ranks can deal with his level.
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
i hope we get to see a Overeem & Fedor fight later this year?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
lets hope. Thats the only way I would give Coker my 49.99
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
^^THIS^^
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
What kind of logic is this?!?
OK, so I understand you can’t put BJ Penn above Frankie because Edgar just beat BJ. SO why do you put Fedor above Fabricio?!?!?! RETARDED. If your logic is “Fedor lost, but is still a better fighter” than fine, put BJ Penn at #1, because he IS the best fighter at the weight class. Oh, and Overeem is the 3rd best HW, behind Brock and Cain. And Roy Nelson is much better than Barnett…….come on man!
That would be Overeem who's best win at HW is over Brett Rogers???
Not to mention such Greats as James Thompson, Gary Goodridge and Mark Hunt?? And losing to anyone he fought who was any good at LHW? That Overeem????
lol, you beat me to it and I deleted my post. good shit, dog.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Yeah Fedor should be behind Werdum no doubt
But the MMA world has high regard for Fedor and his past plays too much in the current day rankings.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I hear you.........
to be honest, I have nothing to back up my claim that Overeem is #3. I simply say this based on his potential. His striking is far better than Carwin. He actually has a ground game. You’ve seen him toss around Rogers without breaking a sweat. And it looks as though Fabricio and Fedor want nothing to do with Reem. Why??? Cause they know. He’s not even close to the same guy you saw at 205. All I can say is……..you’ll see.
Yeah there are a few fighters I would pick to over fighters ranked higher than them rgonz
When you say his striking is better than carwins I agree and disagree. Carwin has the most powerfull KO power in the business and if him and Overeem fought Overeem may get more strikes in but one of Carwins could easily finish the fight and in my opinion is more likely to happen than Overeem KO Carwin? Now tossing around Rogers? What does that mean compared to Cain, Brock or Carwin? I think all those guys would toss around Rogers?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Carwin/Reem
Now THAT would be a good fight. Mir/Reem….not so much.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Tell me when reem beats a top five then we can talk about who is better.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
There's only one real top 5 HW outside the UFC(I'm not gonna include Fabricio for one win)
He could only fight Fedor. Are you saying to come get you when he beats Fedor? Good luck with that.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I think youre making a bit too much about overeem rather than the fact that Frank Mir doesnt deserve to be on this list. Id hate to repeat myself over and over, but at least overeem is a champion. Im not saying overeem should be number one (yet again) but if youre going to bring up fights when he was in a different weight class and that happened about 5 years ago than i should stop wasting the strength in my masturbation hand to refute what youre saying. Why not put Gonzaga on the list then? Hes lost a few fights lately but since the whole CURRENT rankings system is so lost on you, we can just focus on how he took out cro cop
Dude I know you just didn't try to justify Overeem above Mir because he has the Strikeforce belt?
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No
That wasnt my (only) justification. It was you choose to focus on to make your point. Ive been posting on here for about 5 minutes total and Im already starting to see the type of conversation to be had here.
If you choose
to think your post is intelligent, and mine is silly, than I could honestly give a shit. I have my opinion and you have yours. Thats what makes the country I live in so beautiful. My comment is meant to insinuate that guys like you and your buddy attakdog, think only your opinion is represented correctly. Thats cool too. I dont think saying Mir shouldnt be above Overeem is silly. I stand by it 100% and Ill make sure to holler when a healthy Nog fucks him up
I wasn't disagreeing with your rankings
They are all subjective. I certainly don’t believe my opinion is the only one that is correct. I have an issue with sf and their phony belts. Doesn’t mean I don’t think their fighters don’t have talent. Not trying to bully you or anything man. Took issue with your logic but agreed with the end result.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
by Deuce02 on Jul 29, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FYI. I will be rooting for nog all day as well.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
by Deuce02 on Jul 29, 2010 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir beat the #3 NOG and after Barnett tested positive Mir was moved to #2
After losing to the consensus #2 & 3 in the world his ranking will not drop to far? It’s easy to figure out?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
losses from 5 years ago
As compared to him defending his “belt” 1 time in 4 years? Against Brett “the tire guy” Rogers?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
by Deuce02 on Jul 29, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
" The Tire Guy" that's classic.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Those werent his only fights
Those were just his strikeforce fights, Im not an overeem fan so trying to repeatedly attack overeem and making it look like Im defending him is growing tiring. I think Mir Sucks, Thats my point. You wanna continue and argue? Argue that. I think he suks. And I dont believe Shane Carwin should be considered top five either. Hes got good wrestling and HEAVY hands, other than that Im not impressed with him. We can talk about that for the next 5 days if youd like.
I can get down with that
your mistake was bothering to bring up the fact that Reem is a “champ”.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I listed his other non SF wins
Thomson, Goodridge, and Hunt! Wow,, that’s like a who’s who of the HW division. Not forgetting a win over Iron head Fujita.
I dont dispute Overeem should be top 10, but to say he’s the third best in the world above Fedor, JDS and Carwin was just plain crazy!
I also think mir sucks, I hate him, but the fact is he’s fought far better competition in recent years than Overeem has.
Mir Sucks, I also hate him
At least we found a way to agree on something before the days end. I have hope for the Palestinians and Jews after all.
Why does Mir suck? I understand the guys comes off like a douche but he's got skills.
Carwin looks like a robot in the cage, but that robot is the Terminator.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I think hes rather one dimensional. I really dont think he has good boxing (it looked great against Nog but I dont think that was a true test), takedowns or takedown defense. I think he is an amazing grappler/submission fighter, but thats where it ends, and for a guy like that to be as cocky as he is, constantly trying to use words he doesnt understand in interviews makes me say he sucks. Its the same reason people hate on Lesnar, Toney (the boxing version), Tito, you can have all the skill in the world but if you run your mouth some people are going to hate you. Its the antithesis (channeling my inner mir) of why people love Forrest. He may not be the best, but he comes to fight and is a genuinely likeable guy
His stand up has gotten pretty good over the past few years the left he landed on Kongo was pretty.
Mir seems like a cool dude to have beer with, also we’re both 2nd amendment guys so I like him because of that.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not like we have two awesome events in the next two weeks to keep us busy...;)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
whats funny
is that there are people posting what a crappy card 117 is. Am I missing something?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
i am pumped for 117
i still look forward to anderson’s fights more than anyone else, i just hope he has an awesome fight this time
"You're a towel" - Towelie
wow, I missed it too.
117 has the potential to be the best card ever, even losing Thiago.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I am just glad that Bisping is not on the list
I cant stand him and he gets all these main/co-main events as if he is top notch.
"You're a towel" - Towelie
What the fuck is Rani Yahya doing above Wagney?
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
Chris Leben
I know he isnt the greatest but he could knock out Santiago again and I think he could beat lawler, he would be number 9 or 10 in my opinion
"You're a towel" - Towelie
I think everyone on this board could knock out No Chin Santiago.
Highly talented yes, tough? nope.
"I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg."
Shinya Aoki on his fight with Kawajiri at Dream 15
Rich would handle Mousasi.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's how the rankings work
We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings
Now fighters that fight in 2 weight divisions may only be ranked in one by some of the sites wich means in the other they get 0 points. BE use to show all the sites and who ranked who were but no longer do. When Couture fought Brock he was ranked #7 but every site that ranked him in the top 4 but five sites didn’t so he was ranked #7 on this ranking. After he lost to Brock every site ranked him and he was still number 7 on the list. So some guys ranking is not 100% the consensus as Silva is a prime example any site that ranked him at LHW had him in the top three but he’s only five on the board becasue some sites don’t rank him.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Then all these numbers
were put in a blender with a touch of vanilla to make a nice frothy shake. The USA Today editor would then drink it and go to sleep. The next morning he would hit the toilet, scan the result and boom theres your ranking.
I’m not a big fan of MMA math but realistically you can figure out a lot fights( with the exception of the UFC HW division) if you look at who they’ve fought.
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by doonerthesooner on Jul 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
These ratings are so stupid lol
Werdum stays below Fedor and Edgar leapfrogs Penn
not to mention a whole onslaught of ridiculous rankings lol
man i hate rankings !
Done. Oh yeah ps. Wtf is barnett still doing in there
Leg kicks are the most underrated weapon in MMA
by robinhorobson on Jul 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brocks the shit and there just poop stains.
The Albino Donkey Kong at the top of the mountain where he belongs…feel his droppings rain down from the heavens and deliver him Bananas or else.
Fedor "The Last Can Crusher" Emelianstinko finally falls at the hands of a washed up UFC Contender...the Irony:)
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