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War on the Mainland: Nobody's going to tell Jens Pulver he's too old or when to stop

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"I can’t keep getting cut and submitted. It’s not like I’m getting knocked unconscious or beat-up. I’m tired of losing. It’s important that I win this fight and do it my way. I always win my way. I have a game plan: I need to be open-minded, listen to my corner and be confident. Obviously, it’s not easy being confident having lost my last five fights, but I’m excited to find out. I have to win and fight smart doing it. I’m sick and tired of losing, even though I’m getting caught in submission holds, not getting beat up. I’m only 34 and nobody is going to tell me I’m too old or when to stop. This is a crossroad fight for me, though. If I can’t fix these little things and keep losing, it’s time for me to hang it up."

Former UFC lightweight champion and ex-WEC featherweight contender Jens Pulver releases a statement prior to his upcoming lightweight fight against Diego Garijo on the "War on the Mainland" pay-per-view card from Bren Events Center on Aug. 14 in Irvine, California. "Lil' Evil" was released from his Zuffa contract after falling to Javier Vasquez at WEC 47: "Bowles vs. Cruz" back on March 6. It was his seventh loss in eight fights and extended his losing streak to five. Will "El Nino" make it six? Or can Pulver finally get himself back into the win column at the expense of the Bellator veteran?

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I can't wait...

For Pulver to continue losing, and afterward steal the thunder from the winner by crying his retirement to the crowd.

Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...

by Jido7 on Jul 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

very cold sir.

Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel sorry for Jen

Man, do I feel sorry for this guy. He doesn’t strike me as terribly intelligent, articulate or analytical. He looks like a recovering substance abuser. He cannot get gigs under the Zuffa banner because of what I just mentioned. His commentary is terrible and off-putting.

This guy was a someone many years ago. It’s ok, Jen, let it go. It’s over. Be honest with yourself and listen to people when they say, “enough is enough.”

by jeremyam on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

so many ways to look at this

Financially:
Pulver has said he’s no where near retirement in terms of financially, so why not keep getting that pay cheque as long as you can?

How we will remember Jens:
The guy has one of, if not thee best personality in MMA. Very emotional, level headed man. I believe we will remember this, and not his recent fallings in his record.

Health wise:
Jens risks little to no long term health harm due to losing 7 of his last 8, as he is not getting knocked unconscious each fight, or anything. A submission isn’t gonna scramble this guys melon a la Chuck Liddell.

Future wise:
But, can he turn it around? If I’m Jens, and I’m 34, but have lost 7 of my last 8, I will fight for money, keep my options open, hope to scrape 3-4 wins in a row together (even if against lesser opponents), hope Zuffa sticks to their guns, as Jens was always a model employee, get one more higher profile fight with WEC, and if I win go from there. If not, I went out 3-1/4-1 in my last few.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

so many ways to rationalize...

Daniel,

Financially: Jen never really hit full stride when MMA was netting fighters the big bucks, I’m talking about $100K+ per fight with a 3 fight average per year… So I can agree with you that he probably needs funds. Your question about "why not keep getting that pay cheque as long as you can? Let’s look at the basic economics of the fight game. If Jen has total renumeration of $10,000 a fight and fights three times a year we have gross $30,000.00. Take away 10-20% for management/trainers and your left with $25,000.00 roughly without taxes. That’s peanuts and completely ruins your argument about "How we will remember Jens: Health Wise, Future Wise… None of this matters unless he can post victories and get back into the big leagues and big money. Let me phrase it like this (Daniel, I think this is what you meant to say…) Jen’s will be fighting for peanuts to secure his financial future, legacy, health and his future fighting career. Wanna re-think your post. Pulver has lost his step, hasn’t evolved- you have to agree with this as you acknowledge his being submitted in defeated vs. KO’d.

With guys like Franklin and Couture- Zuffa has zero need to Pulver. Again, Pulver should develop new talent, seemed to be a good, caring coach and lead his students down the path he ought to have taken.

by jeremyam on Jul 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't need to rethink shit, ya depression obsession

I presented a positive, and realistic point of view on a mans life, and accomplishments, and possible future.

You took it and made it a joke, and tried to belittle it at every given chance.

Well done. Way to take everything away from a great person in MMA. Just because you are too bias and callous, doesn’t mean others can’t have objective and positive outlooks.

25k a year after taxes? Hey, maybe you should re think your post. Last I heard, these fighters get sponsors and bonuses. They also have ways of making money outside the cage. Also, your numbers are simply guesses. He could score a 10k/10k a fight contract. So 3 fights a year would be 60k if he won, plus potential bonuses, plus sponsor money.

None of what I said in my first post was false. And none of it should have been any concern to you. I read your gibberish just above mine. I chose to politely ignore it and put my thoughts separately in the “comments” section.

I appreciate how great you think you are. And how you found it necessary to try to take my post and discredit it entirely. I’ll make sure to troll your next thought on a different topic, in attempts to make myself feel better for not sharing the same focal point.

Thanks.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow.

He disagreed with you and you managed to look like a total jackass trying to rip him in the process.

Congratulations!

by Paul Stan on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

DANIEL

Let’s revisit your points here pal. You can be a Jens fan all you want, that’s something I encourage you to do because Jen’s is losing fans not winning them over.

Winning, oh, well not synonymous with Jens these days, the act of winning is critical for: Financially, How we will remember Jens, Health Wise and Future Wise; your points in your posting on Jens. Financially, his stock continues to drop.

Your welcome to argue this or any of my points. How we will remember Jens (can be summed up in 1 one: Legacy). Jen’s legacy will not change dramatically with another loss under his belt, we’ve really come to expect it out of Jens. He’ll be remember by fans and critics alike as being a dynamic, powerful and intense fighter. The way Jens will remember himself down the road is another issue (long-term) and the way he perceive himself now (short-term) is another. Health Wise you originally assert that he has had “no long term health harm due to losing 7” (8 now) of his last 8 and 9 fights, respectively. Jens’ doctor says those words not you, its not your place and its silly sounding to boot. Daniel, aren’t you aware that most damage taken by a fighter is done outside of the ring/octagon etc…? I’m not even going to write, respond entertain your last point, its laughable.

Daniel, why don’t you just take a look at my post. I said, “Man, do I feel sorry for this guy.” See, I like Jens, I loved his fight with BJ Penn and his battle with Gomi but I don’t like your comments.
You cannot put an argument together that makes sense and each one of your points are an epic failure because Jens stinks as a fighter. Once again, he’s not terribly intelligent and you know this better than I do- look in the mirror!

I gave you numbers to look at so perhaps you could understand. I presented a logical argument for why Jens should walk. Instead, you suggest he should keep fighting and losing- not the smartest plan is it. Imagine now if Jens had gone 1-8 in his first professional fights, perhaps, he’d consider doing something else.

Not sure what you do but perhaps you should refrain from silly comments. BTW, I agree with your P4P list minus Aldo, see 80% of what you said is agreeable to me, don’t call me a meany either.

by jeremyam on Aug 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jens has always been one of my favorite fighters. He’s a funny down to earth guy. I think he would be a great coach if thats what he decided to do. But like Daniel said, theres no real reason to hang it up if he doesn’t want to.

by elotsip on Jul 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

thx elotsip. i agree.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No one can tell him when to hang em up

But, I love Jens and want to remember him for his great fights from UFC and Pride. He has had one good showing in the WEC, against Cub Swanson. He just hasn’t look the same, he looks slow, hesitant and tired. I don’t root against the guy and I certainly understand the need to make some money. He is a name, and I am sure he makes most of his coin by just walking into the cage with a few logos on his ass.

"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."

by Deuce02 on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

pulver, pulver, pulver

daniel, thanks for your reply. see, our opinions differ and you personalized what i said so shame on you. i’ll stick to my opinion and my belief that jen’s best options are outside of fighting. i’m not jens and you aren’t either- he’ll do what he’ll do and i guess you’ll keep getting your feelings hurt at 9am in the morning:(

pulver has value to an army of young and eager students. he’s a veteran of the game at 34, he’s a capable teacher as made evident of TUF. i personally know professional mma coaches and within three years they’ve gone from negative networth (liabilities>assets) to having $500,000 in their savings account, so, let’s think about what’s infinitely better for his health, mental well-being and physical state. daniel, you reply and this one is over.

by jeremyam on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

"daniel, you reply to this one and its over"

Listen you’re entitled to your opinion and that’s all honky dorey, but its how you speak. You’re not the site coordinator. You have no authority here. No more than I, or any of the other posters on here. So my question is ‘Why do you think you’re above me?’.

You took someone elses idea of coaching and then pawned it as your brilliant declaration. Can he not coach and fight at the same time? Because ya see, I thought Wanderlei and Couture, etc already do just that.

You know MMA coaches?!? Bravo. So they have quickly amassed 500k in their savings account strictly due to coaching/teaching MMA? Well, that’s great on them. If it proves to be true.

Anyways, as I had said, I don’t mind your opinion, its when you start telling me “You need to rethink your post”. No I do not. It was thought through properly and made sense.

He’s not being KO’d.
He’s not a bad attitude or a nuisance.
He’s not 45 yrs old.

If he likes to fight, he has no reason that guys like you should be his reason he stops.

Oh, and he can coach and fight at the same time! Imagine that.

Cheers.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Its over Worby, you replied

Haha you always seem to attract the nutters mate. First the “deal with it” guy, now the “rethink your post” and it’s over if you reply guy. Sad thing is I agree with jeremy’s basic point, as I’ve been saying for a while that Jens should have retired and just been a coach because he’s clearly well past his prime but boy did he express that point poorly.

You make a good point about Jens not being that old or getting injured but the guy has had a very tough life and takes his losses very personally, I don’t think that it’s healthy for him to continue fighting and failing to win. He’s an emotional guy who has struggled his whole life, I just think that at this point he’d be happier and better off training the next generation of guys rather than continuing to compete and get beat by nobodies who he’d have walked through in his prime. Having said that if he needs the money then he has no real other option.

I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.

by David W-S on Jul 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

JENS!

You’re too old! Stop!

by ducknow on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

he's 34

Half of MMA is probs around his age group.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i dont think theres a real age that says ’ k this guy is this old he should retire’
Jens hasnt shown any improvements or evolution in his game in years. Its not his age thats holding him back or his lack of heart. Its the fact that he thinks he can just go out and just wing it and its just going to be like the old days.

"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"

by HERZ on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jen...

…Is a Hard Headed Stubborn Mule.

by justbleed9999 on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe he lost tons of power and man strength at 145

by Chuntsman949 on Jul 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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