Fedor Emelianenko: 'Jiu-jitsu is nothing special -- my loss was caused by my personal mistake'
by Jesse Holland on Jul 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
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"Sambo is great. Jiu-jitsu is nothing special. We went over several jiu-jitsu guys like that before. I lost because of what happened. My loss was caused by my personal mistake in the cage… I lost my head. Wanted to finish it all as soon as possible. As far as the rumors about my last fight being set up... I was asked about it many times already. I will never go against my conscience and never betray my country like that. Money doesn't matter that much to me that I could lie to people. Since I lost to Werdum, it was meant to be. And I'm thankful to God it happened that way."
Former top ranked heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko endears himself to the grappling community by shrugging off the effectiveness of jiu-jitsu in a mixed martial arts contest. "The Last Emperor" was submitted by Fabricio Werdum (triangle choke) under the Strikeforce banner back on June 26 but insists it was his mistake -- not Werdum's skill -- that led to his shocking downfall. Anyone care to disagree? And why does Emelianenko blame himself and credit God -- but give no props to "Vai Cavalo?"
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BAHAHAHA
Totally agreed! I get so sick of this shit about how it was meant to be. If something was meant to be and was just going to happen then sit on your ass and wait because if it is god’s will then it will happen regardless right?
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 23, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Always classy
And still the p4p king.
When he rematches werdum he will smash him so badly werdum will never want to fight again.
by Lester The Pimp on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
It's been a while since I've done this but here goes
FEDOR- BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was happy to see you back, now...not so much ;-)
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
For real though, “jujitsu is nothing special”. How is that “classy”. I’m worn out on this dude.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@Jrandolph.....yeah when compared to Sambo in his opinion yeah.....
What Fedor can’t have an opinon of one martial art style over another??? Especially one (Sambo) that he is 6x World Champion in. Fedor is right JJ by itself is nothing special…..If the fight stays on the feet the JJ guy gets his ass kicked again and again. Proof, Maia, Leites, Big Nog etc….
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All fair points...
But any other fighter makes a comment like that about another martial art, and he gets roasted for being arrogant. My point is’nt that he is incorrect or not. The point is he could curse Mother Theresa, and guys would still say things like “always classy” when refering to his comments. I actually would love to see him be more opinionated in his interviews. I have no issue with him calling it like he sees it, but we don’t have to treat the guy like every comment he makes is some triumphant speech of the ages.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Jrandolph, don't you think you are being a bit extreme
and your post is confusing…..first you are annoyed that he classy more often then not and then you turn around and say you want him to be more opinionated…..what?! You can’t have it both ways.
Maybe the reason the other fighters get “roasted” for being arrogant is because they are arrogant…..Fedor states his opinion and you want to some how get some pay back for all the fighters who get called arrogant for being opinionated by saying that Fedor is arrogant. Great logic, that ought to learn him.
Fedor is human and has his flaws like everyone else except you live to point his out where he could care less what you think of him. Zing!!
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 24, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
???
I am referring to an earlier post that refers to this statement ,as “ALWAYS CLASSY”. He may be correct, but its only “classy” to a FEDOR fan. It’s a random comment where Fedor is basically trashing jujitsu. Great, no big deal, guys do it all the time but classy it ain’t.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 24, 2010 8:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotcha....point taken......youre not a Fedor fan therefore you
scrutinize rather than recognize him.
I think it’s funny that Fedor gets so much hate because he didn’t sign with the UFC. If he was in the UFC about half these haters would be on his bandwagon but since he is not, thereby keeping them from seeing the matchups they want to see, Fedor has to be discredited for everything he says or does.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 24, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
??? again
Not one single time have you addressed the notion of his opinion about jujitsu being “classy” or not. No I’m not a fedor fan. You obviously are and therefore will accept anything he says as classy, good form, respectable etc etc.
I like fighters that will make comments on occasion (actually al the time) that are “not classy”. I don’t care cause I ain’t dating these guys. I’m watching them beat the crap out of each other. Why do FEDOR fans have to twist everything their god says into some life changing wisdom? The dude trashed a martial art that many fighters have a great love and respect for. That’s his opinion and his right to have it but please explain to me HOW THAT IS CLASSY?
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let me attempt to clear this up Jrandolph
First, I never said Fedor’s comment was classy I said it was his opinion, period……Lester said it was classy and you assume since I am a Fedor fan that I think it was classy too…that assumption is on you. Second, what have I twisted? Re-read my comments….Thirdly, you are exaggerating here about “trashing” jitz….again we don’t know the context of the question….we just have Fedors answer…..saying that Jitz is nothing special is hardly trashing the art….If he said it sucked or was
In effective that would be trash talk IMO. Finally, you are hung up on classy, a word I never used so ask Lester why he called Fedor’s remarks ‘classy’.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 25, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
??? again
Not one single time have you addressed the notion of his opinion about jujitsu being “classy” or not. No I’m not a fedor fan. You obviously are and therefore will accept anything he says as classy, good form, respectable etc etc.
I like fighters that will make comments on occasion (actually al the time) that are “not classy”. I don’t care cause I ain’t dating these guys. I’m watching them beat the crap out of each other. Why do FEDOR fans have to twist everything their god says into some life changing wisdom? The dude trashed a martial art that many fighters have a great love and respect for. That’s his opinion and his right to have it but please explain to me HOW THAT IS CLASSY?
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry bout the double post
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's speaking the truth on he feels, and I like it.
This comment is not an insult just how he feels. I know most of the time he holds back speaking how he feels to not take anything away from any fighter he faces, and wishes he may have never stated this. But this is a case were he he did for whatever reason ….big deal. This doesn’t take away from his character, just a time were he let the truth slip something he rarely does if it effects someone else in a negative way. It will be interesting to see if any JJ artist take offence.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Actually I thought Big Nog, had pretty good stand up...
He has always been able to hold his own in the stand up till recently.
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Least he's not like Penn
He’s admitting he made a mistake and lost. Penn would have blammed it on a flu and grease. I’m not a big fedor fan but he’ll come back and fight a few cans and then be great again.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
For sure
I’m not saying Werdum is anywhere near as talented as Fedor, but he totally made fedor look stupid that night.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
A little silly
To say that werdum isn’t anywhere near fedors level when he just made the man tap. I don’t know what else he needs to do to earn your respect.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
by Deuce02 on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he is
Werdum has great jitz and it won him the fight. But Fedor has beat alot better fights before.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
Interesting
that the “best fighter in the world” as so many say can lose to someone who “isn’t on his level”. So essentially anyone can get lucky against the baddest man on the planet. The more ya know. Thanks for enlightening me.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Deuce02
Greatest is a relative term. You can still have losses and be the greatest.
Otherwise, who is the greatest? Is there any fighter with 20-25 (or more) fights that his totally undefeated?
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by StrikerDave on Jul 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Jesse Ventura Say:
“Sometimes its better to be lucky than good.” Also my other favorite is “Win if you can, lose if you must; but always cheat.”
"to be the man you gotta beat the man"
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by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 23, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think to Be Considered Great, Elite, Legendary
you have to have lost. Undefeated doesnt mean to me that your the greatest. The truest of champions come out after facing adversity.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor threads are the best places to find trolls!
Fedor and Werdum are both 2 of the best fighters in the world! leading into the fight I was trying to tell you haters that WERDUM needed to be respected and was capable of beating anyone on any given night!
Fedor’s career lost him that fight! He was too used to dominating ju jitsu fighters and escaping submissions with ease at the last moment that he got complacent and got caught! Barely a career shattering defeat.
Still the best fighter of all time, and I would still favor him to beat my beloved Brockness Monster!
Not in mma
Everyone loses. Too many variables. But to say that the guy that just beat fedor isn’t on his level seems a little curious to me. I don’t think the best in he world are capable of losing to to someone who doesn’t have the talent to be there in he first place.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Serra vs Pierre
anything can happen…once.
by Anothermmafan on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't Hate BJ
He just needs to stop whinning. Althought GSP did make him quit…
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
The only thing I heard from his mouth after the Frankie fight was congratulations to him.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
and then...
I’ve heard he had the flu….it was an off night….etc.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
I'll have to do some research
I may stand to be corrected.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
One of his trainers said he was sick.
Which may or may not be true. He cannot be held accountable for what everybody around him says. The only thing I herad from him was a video on his website of him congratulating Frankie.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
That's what I found
my bad. I agree with you, you can’t control other people saying shit.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
Or he’s having them throw it out there so everyone knows Frankie couldn’t have beaten him at 100% but he doesn’t come off looking like a bitch in the process.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
The best fighters will always have some controversy around them
fedor, bj, gsp, Andy, japans best in aoki, and even Brock, although he has yet to earn his way onto this list.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
brock has definitely earned himself onto the controversy list though
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by randy murders on Jul 23, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it bj that said that or some of his fans?
I only remember him bitching about Vaseline. Because gap was greased.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
It's a Fedor thread but also on excuse/explanation of a post loss fight thread.
Bj fits right in.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
hhhmmm
humble much? i dont know if Fedor came off as a douche or humble???
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
Douche!
A humble man would have given credit to his opponent.
by attakdog on Jul 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
literally just going to put this ^^
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Jul 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So you guys are saying at no point has Fedor given Werdum props? Highly unlikely.
This is just a small quote to stir up conversation. Mania/Jesse does it all the time.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
by BNF on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jesse's closing paragraph:
"And why does Emelianenko blame himself and credit God — but give no props to “Vai Cavalo?”
That’s what we’re responding too.
Exactly my point.
What was the question he was even asked? I tried to look at the site but can’t at work. I’m just sayin it may be taken out of context. Wouldn’t be the 1st time that has been done here.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
Jesus would have powerbombed him and then been DQ’d for an illegal soccer kick to the head.
He was hard like that.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
attakdog......that quote is Jesse Hollands commentary on the piece...
He wasn’t interviewing Fedor and has no idea what Fedor was talking about since he didn’t conduct the interview…..its obvious bait to get the haters and the lovers to go at it so as to drum up interest to keep checking out this site….
When has Fedor ever bashed an opponent, he has always been complimentary before and after fights moreso than an other fighter in MMA.
Quit drinking the kool-aid man!!!
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fully aware it's his commentary on the piece
and he’s not interviewing him. Jesse asks the question why blah blah blah? then we give our opinions yeah? Isn’t that how it works here?
Ok, then we are agreeing on that point......our disagreement is
you see Fedor as a douche from what you read in one paragraph without any context around it and I see the article for what it is a firestarter.
You say douche I say Fedor is the same man he has always been, humble with a sense of cultural pride.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol - yeah we disagree basically
I’ve always considered him more arrogant than humble, but that’s just me.
Fair enough.....out of curiosity who do you think is humble in MMA???
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Storm......one of my favorite Marvel superheroes...
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 24, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He is right.
Jiu Jitsu is nothing special. It is efficient, but so is Sambo and submission wrestling as well as Greco-Roman.
He got caught because he though Werdum was dazed and he was trying to finish too quickly. If you watch him fight Nog back in the day, he was much more careful and was mostly posturing up before punching into the guard and posturing again etc. He made a mistake, simple as that.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
But he said Sambo is great.
Why not it’s nothing special too? In a pure grappling match, i have no doubt that Werdum would tap him all day long.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
truest statement ever NNR fedor vs werdum at the adcc would be sick..
and prove fedor wrong or correct, but at he sametime i see werdum beating fedor in the rematch of the mma fight as well
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by randy murders on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why he says Sambo is great and Jiu-Jitsu is nothing special?
I can’t even count how many BJJ fighters have done well in the top tier mma organizations.
Sambo: I can only think of Fedor and Arlovski.
The only place you see Sambo fighters really doing well is M-1, which is basically bush league.
by naturalshadow on Jul 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
And the grappling you see in M-1 is some of the worse shit on the planet on par with 90s pancrase matches.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fedor’s judo skills are a big part of what makes him so good. His hips are some of the fastest in the game.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Always Was He Calm Vs Nog
I remember flying guard passes… and wild haymakers through the guard. He was just too damn good.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haymakers through the guard yes but after posturing up; and same with flying passes.
Here he just lied in the guard and stuck his hand in without first postoring (I am talking about the second time after he got out first)
Bullets dodge Fedor.
He definitely made a mistake
but if he makes a mistake like that with, say, Brett Rogers, do you think rogers is pulling off that sub? Not likely. You have to give a little credit where it is do. By the way, any news on what Brett is doing these days, or did Overeem retire him?
Kimbo probably isn’t too busy these days.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
bobby lashley would ground and pound bretts face into oblivion..
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by randy murders on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What like he did to jason guida???
Need to see lashley fight someone remotely relevant first before coming to such a conclusion.
Lashley is not a fighter.
He gonna keep ducking everyone, wait until his management team and strikeforce can dig up a dead corpse he can dry hump, then call out Fedor and Overeem. Rinse and repeat until he gets his payday against Batista.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you think his management has ties to M1 lol
People have accused Fedor of ducking the majority of the top 265lbs fighters in the world in the UFC by signing with SF. M1 selecting opponents that Fedor is supposed to beat seems similar to your description of Bobby’s management giving him cans to kill
by StealthBomber on Jul 23, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I find the man exceedingly humble in the face of a loss
Remember, there has to be an understanding of his culture and translation. Russians are the ultimate Nationalists and SAMBO is the outward expression of national pride. Therefore, he is blaming himself so as to NOT discredit SAMBO or give credit to Jiu-jitsu.
This is a matter of understanding Russian culture and to not take his statements and place them in the context of American culture.
Wags
I see your point.
It’s his way of saying he lost, not a fighting style lossing to another style.
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
fair point
But yet he also gives no credit to Verdum. He could deflect blame from Sambo to himself, while also crediting his opponent.
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Respect!
it is still disrespectful not to give Werdum some credit for the win. To say it wasn’t any skill is just pain silly.
LOL...Ramie78.......If Fedor kept the fight standing which he could have done
I doubt very seriously that Werdum gets Fedor to the ground and submits him. Fedor’s mistake was being over aggressive like Liddell going in on Franklin and getting caught just before the round ended. If Liddell just runs out the clock he would have lived another round.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Deuce....attackdog.......my comments are in context of Fedor saying that he
made a mistake, which he did. I was running the scenario of what the fight would have looked liked POSSIBLY if he doesn’t follow Werdum to the ground……..I am not upset that Fedor lost, surprised but not upset, everyone is bound to lose.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I know fella, Im just yankin yer chain
There’s no c in attakdog either! get it right next time yeah ;-)
Oh where I am from we know how to spell attack ; )
No worries, by the way, who let you off your chain, shouldn’t the “attakdog” be on a chain somehere? You are much to vicious to be running loose. LOL!!! ; )
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a wrong side to 30.......good to know you are mellow
mellow people are people you can have a beer and in some cases a couple of shots ;)
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he made a mistake
it usually takes a mistake to create an opening for the other fighter to take advantage of. I think you can make this argument for almost any fight, except an ass whooping like Diego took against bj, or bj gsp 2. In those cases the mistake was just taking he fight as opposed to leaving an opening for your opponent to capitalize on.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
True.....Deuce I would add one distinction
If Bonnar gets constantly tagged in the face it isn’t because he made a mistake, Bonnar has horrible punch defense which is a skillset issue more than a mistake.
For Fedor, who had never been submitted before by anyone to get caught in a sub would suggest a mistake was made. Clearly its not a skillset issue like it would be for someone like Bonnar.
I would also add Florian getting his ass drove by BJ as another classic example of poorer skillset than isolated mistake issue.
I follow what you are saying though.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Deuce.....I figured as much......are you in the US?
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc is speaking with a broader perspective.....good post!!!!
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What a joke!!!
Fedor has no class to say its wasn’t Werdums skill that beat him.Watch the fight again Fedor and you will see that a lot of skill went into the submission. Fedor started to believe the hype and thought he could shrug off the sub attempts but when you don’t fight top level fighter on a consistent basis then you believe that you can continue to walk though anyone. Wake up Fedor! You are just media hype and would be exposed if you fought top ten fighter on a regular.
Ingorant
Just ignorant.
A) Do you know the context in which his statement was made? It was about Sambo vs BJJ. Not fighter vs fighter.
B) “Wake up Fedor! You are just media hype and would be exposed if you fought top ten fighter on a regular.”
Really who is better …all time?
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by StrikerDave on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, if this had happened prior to Nog
losing to me, i would make that case all day until my voicebox ruptured. (Damn you time!!!!!)
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess anything can turn into a debate....
But Sambo a better martial art than BJJ? Come on now?…….Thats essentially what he said at the beginning.
Thanks.
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The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 23, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You all are stuck on him not saying something in regards to Werdums skill...
Im sure this isnt the whole conversation. I have a good feeling that they left out a bunch of it. He probably said something good about Werdum in another part of the interview
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^^TRUTH^^
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee if the were to compete in a submission grappling match Werdum would win
10 out of 10
Sambo has nothing to offer the high level JJ guys
Unfortunatly it's Mixed MArtial Arts
and I say 8 out of 10 times Fedor Wins. I’ll give another mistake on Fedor’s part to Werdum….JK
Architecture is the art of how to waste space.
Yes but I was replying to the Title
JJ will beat sambo any day of the week
Not the best moment to state such words after being finished in 69s. But I understand him. None other guy from jiu-jitsu got anything versus Fedor until Werdum grabbed his neck, arm, ear.
Jiu-jitsu is fundamental but it isn’t sufficient to MMA. Emelianenko would lose one day and it came at Strikeforce. Whenever I thought over his loss I knew it would come by a big hand or submission.
Never thought Fabricio would be the man to stop him.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
Who has Fedor ever faught that has world class bjj?
Werdum……. Nog, but I dont consider him world class. So basically….the first dangerous bjj guy that he ever faced submitted him.
LOL at not considering Nog world class. Welcome to MMA.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 23, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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You will fit in really great there as opposed to Mania! Enjoy… Thank me later.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
by freenow82 on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO at ^^This^^
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
DeRbHeAn
Nog could’ve become bjj world champion but he wisely decided to go to MMA. With Gi he’s a monster and trained with others at Carlson Gracie Team/BTT. Now I wait somebody to say Arona smashed him.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Jul 23, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Which of the top guys did Nog sub?
cro cop, sapp, zuluzino, timmy, I mean com on. I know he is a black belt and all but his jj always seemed to be over rated to me. Like Sonnen said "Having a black belt from the nog brothers is like getting a toy with your happy meal. Werdum would sub him in a jj match ;)
JJ is is a great tool in the bag but against those that are trained with way less years can defend well in many cases
Were a great wrestler will dominate in the grapple almost every time?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I like Fedor but don’t see how anyone can say jiu-jitsu is nothing special. It sure was special at UFC 1. Wrestling is not very technical but takes years of practice and talent to be good at. Therefore would you say wrestling is nothing special, when in fact it just isn’t flashy?
Fedor made two mistakes in the fight with Werdum, First he rushed in too soon to a not hurt werdum then he started to get caught and he could have escaped and backed off but he kept going.
Fedor’s God comment just means that he puts his trust in God that every thing happens according to God will so there is not point in worrying about it.
Nate....I agree with most of your post, I would only add
that UFC 1 would be a bad example of BJJ’s dominance as no one else had seen it before. That same Royce Gracie who won the first 3 out of 4 tournys didn’t fair to well when he met Matt Hughes or Saku in Pride. BJJ has it’s place just like Sambo does everything after that is just opinion. IMO.
I am with you on the mistakes Fedor made and the God comment you explained…..you are spot on sir!
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't fare well against Saku in Pride?
I have only watched maybe 15 minutes in total of that 1.5hour battle, but how can you say that?
He fought Matt Hughes when he was 40 and then beat Saku by decision (although on Steroids).
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Free......you should watch the whole fight then.......Saku was clowning Royce
as the fight went past the 30 minute mark as Royce couldn’t do anything to Saku……very remiencient of Andy today when he fought Maia….. Go back and watch it. Gracie was in his prime still and couldn’t dominate Saku like he did all those UFC 1, 2, and 4 fighters.
If you want to excuse Royce’s loss to Hughes because of age, you could excuse Saku loss to Gracie due to fighting age………Saku has been in 40 fights compared to 20 fights for Gracie….
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 23, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
“The Last Emperor” was submitted by Fabricio Werdum (triangle choke) under the Strikeforce banner back on June 26 but insists it was his mistake — not Werdum’s skill — that led to his shocking downfall. Anyone care to disagree? And why does Emelianenko blame himself and credit God — but give no props to “Vai Cavalo?”
Perhaps he’s more arrogant than most would care to acknowledge? Bottom line is – Werdum baited him to go into his guard, and Fedor took the bait hook, line, and sinker and got to feel what it’s like to tap out.
Vai cavalo has a golden horse shoe up his ass!
by d*locc on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That is an extremely odd comment
with half of it showing him in a very humble, and the other half showing him to be very arrogant. Weird.
http://fitnessphp.blogspot.com/
Very True
In modern Day MMa Ju Jitsu is no longer the super power it was NO Doubt its still wins but not nearly as it has in the past. Fedor WILL Smash Werdum without a doubt next fight.
Any Martial art that practices with another man between your legs is a martial art i dont care to see.
The man that doesnt fall, Doesnt Stand
Fuck u Fedor haters
interesting
It’s been A while since I can remember a fedor thread that got so few comments. Maybe the worst is behind us. Probably ,wishful thinking. The fedor cult will wait for his next win over herschel walker or something then, then we’ll be back on track with the human sacrifices in the name of Fedor.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jul 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lots of hate......so why do you drink the
Hatorade so much on Fedor? What has he done to you?
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 25, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fedor and combat sambo
it´s totally wrong to think that fedor is a superhuman, he is just a guy who is very dedicated to training, wining and loosing is a part of the game, fedor was many times at the edge of loosing fights before werdum, but thanx to his skills he got away with it.
fedor said before that he made a big mistake by underastimating werdum cause werdum is a prominent fighter.
in combat sambo they theach striking and grappling, in bjj they don´t theach striking maybe that was the reason for fedors statement, everybody who know something about mma know that fedor is never unrespectful.
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