Report: 'Rampage' Jackson vs Lyoto Machida in the works for Fall 2010
by Jesse Holland on Jul 21, 2010 9:14 AM EDT
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Two former UFC light heavyweight champions, Quinton Jackson and Lyoto Machida, are close to inking a deal that would see them square off in November 2010 in a battle to determine which fighter gets back into the 205-pound title hunt.
MMA Weekly brought word of the pending match-up earlier today.
Jackson (30-8) returned to cage fighting after a self-imposed exile that allowed him to participate in the A-Team movie as boyhood idol "B.A. Baracus."
Unfortunately his return was not well received by former Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10 coach and bitter rival Rashad Evans. "Sugar" was sweet enough for three rounds to take home the unanimous decision win in their UFC 114 main event last May.
It was just the second loss for "Rampage" since his UFC debut way back in February 2007.
Machida (16-1) has been tied up with Mauricio Rua over the past year, splitting a pair of main event bouts with his fellow Brazilian but coming up empty in their second dance. The formerly undefeated "Dragon" was finished for the first time in his career after "Shogun" stopped him via first round knockout at UFC 113 back on May 8.
At this time, no specific date or venue has been confirmed for "Jackson vs. Machida," as the promotion continues to juggle its year end events as the summer slowly begins winding down.
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more information on this pending match-up as it becomes available.
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Main event worthy. Machida via UD. I don't see him cracking Page's coconut and I don't see Page landing any clean shots on Machida.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Machida is worthy of being in the main event, rampage not so much
And I think Machida will crack rampages coconut like he broke evans.
by Lester The Pimp on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I am a Machida fan so I can only hope but Page has an extremely hard chin. Only Wand (with knees) and Shogun have stopped Page, correct?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You are correct OJR.....No one in the UFC has turned Pages lights out...
This is tough for me as I am a fan of both fighters. I give the advantage to Machida on paper because of his well roundedness and better camp including training partners.
Page still has a shot, but it would have to be his A-game which will have to have some new wrinkles. IMO
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats * Since Page has come to the UFC
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad Fight For Rampage But WIth Great Timing
Under normal circumstances, I see Machida walking backwards to a decision in this fight but you never know how he will react to being KO for the first time and may be open for the mistake again.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
I think Machida learned his lesson
and will continue to be what made him champ in the first place. I believe the controversy from the first fight kind of played a role in the second fight and he wanted to try and make sure he made a statement. In the end, he paid for it. But he’s a great fighter and I’m sure he’s learned from it.
Agreed, HX. Sums up my feelings perfectly.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I have a feeling the Dragon will be ready for Page
Mental toughness is more a problem for Page than Machida.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is going to lose, then play the blame game.
Wait and see. He’s going to lose then blame Dana/the UFC for making him take a fight that he didn’t want. Maybe he’ll unwind by having a few post fight energy drinks…………. Which won’t be his fault either,
lollmao!
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
Oh shit that is great.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Sounds about right.
Can’t wait to see this fight. Hopefully it is co main, but I would even be ok with it as the main event.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
Remember
No one had ever KOed Shad before Machida and he fought heavyweight for a while. I know that Shad had never really fought the likes of Wand or Shogun early in his career but the point is still valid.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 21, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Shad does NOT have Page's chin. Not even close. Can Machida KO Page? Yes, but it is highly unlikely.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think this will be Page getting decisioned via Machida's elusive style, or winning via (T)KO if he catches him. If Machida's smart(which I believe he is) he will NOT come out like he did against Shogun. That would be a poor gameplan.
I would really like to see Page go back to some wrestling, but I’m not at all counting on it.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
4 sure
He tried so hard to prove he could finish Shogun and Machida ended up not fighting his fight. he will learn from that.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If anything i think evans' chin is suspect
he was knocked out by machida and rocked pretty bad by page and t.silva
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
Shad's Chin
I don’t understand how his chin is suspect…it took Machida a flurry of punches to put Shad out and he got rocked by two of the heaviest hitters in the division by getting sloppy late in those fights. His ability to recover in both cases is what is more important.
I’m not saying he has a granite chin like Leben or Rampage but I wouldn’t call it suspect when he’s only lost once…and once via KO.
Buster: Let me go with you. I was trained by Army. I speak the language.
Michael: You speak Arabic?
Buster: La-ach-ha-tem.
Michael: What’s that mean?
Buster: No, I was just clearing my throat, but I think it actually does mean "laundry" but like a child’s laundry. We don’t really have a word for it.
by Buster Bluth on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
ufcaddict did you hear what you just said? He has a suspect chin for getting rocked by Page who has one of the top KO power in the sport. Silva who has 11 KO or TKOs to his name and Shad has only been Knocked out by 1 person who so happens to be the only person who has ever KOed Silva
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
T.silva's power is overrated
has silva beat anybody who has a solid chin? or who is known to take a shot? the answer is no
look at his opponents
up until his last 3 opponents silva was facing nobodies and 2 of those 3 fights he lost and the other was against keith ‘the glass chin’ jardine
other KO’s are against mendes (who got Ko’d by shafer!)
and alexander who has been tko’d several times
okay props for taking rampages punch but come on saying silva is one of the heaviest hitters is over exaggerated, when will people realise t.silva is overrated
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
I said Page was one of the heaviest hitters
Silva definitely has the capabilities to KO people though.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not you
buster said they are two of the heaviest hitters in the division
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
I'm going based on the people he has faced
Until he proves otherwise…he appears to hit pretty damn hard. We can sit and speculate on how he’d do against others but at the end of the day…as of right now…his record demonstrates a strong ability to KO people. You saying he is overrated is your opinion and I repsect that but history says the guy has serious KO power.
Buster: Let me go with you. I was trained by Army. I speak the language.
Michael: You speak Arabic?
Buster: La-ach-ha-tem.
Michael: What’s that mean?
Buster: No, I was just clearing my throat, but I think it actually does mean "laundry" but like a child’s laundry. We don’t really have a word for it.
by Buster Bluth on Jul 21, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and michael bisping had hands of stone when he was 13-0
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
So?
We are talking about two different people…just because that was the case with Bisping does not mean that is the same for Thiago…that’s fallacious statement
Buster: Let me go with you. I was trained by Army. I speak the language.
Michael: You speak Arabic?
Buster: La-ach-ha-tem.
Michael: What’s that mean?
Buster: No, I was just clearing my throat, but I think it actually does mean "laundry" but like a child’s laundry. We don’t really have a word for it.
by Buster Bluth on Jul 21, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol my comment was sarcasm, i forgot how hard it is to portray sarcasm no the internet
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
LOL...so true
Buster: Let me go with you. I was trained by Army. I speak the language.
Michael: You speak Arabic?
Buster: La-ach-ha-tem.
Michael: What’s that mean?
Buster: No, I was just clearing my throat, but I think it actually does mean "laundry" but like a child’s laundry. We don’t really have a word for it.
by Buster Bluth on Jul 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OJ.....what up brother, long time eh, so now we have another Page thread to
blow up…..I know you are a Machida fan and so am I but this one is going to be wild.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I am way excited for this fight, WS.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I am torn on this one.....I respect and admire Machida and at the same
time I think Page is a great story……..Forget it…..I won’t choose…….I just want to see the best possible MMA fight out of those two warriors.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Page is a great story
Explain? I can only picture the hghway creeping to 15 mph for no apparent reason and then realizing that it is for an accident across the lanes…you don’t want to look, but do it anyway.
Ok Ulf.... It has more to do with his background
He really had to make it on nothing but pure dumb luck/timing and his talent. When he was with Pride, he won most of his fights on talent alone. He had no real training partners on a consistent basis, he was exploited to be the tough black guy from the streets, a role he still plays today (ask rashad) his manager stiffs him (Juanito) and he gets booed for beating Chuck Liddell in America. Most people coming from his hometown can only dream of the life that he has had thus far. Page himself probably didn’t know he could come this far. I find that inspiring.
I know Page isn’t the best or an angel by any means but I can relate to his story more than say Machidas or Chuck Liddells and they are great warriors too.
Kimbo/Houston/Eastman come from the same background but will never accomplish what Page has.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t find “out of the ghetto” stories due to athletic talent appealing…
I am more of an MLK Jr./Oprah type of inspiration story guy.
Oprah is the leader of a cult. Don't be fooled.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
& sakuraba sub'd him. But I see him taking an ass whoopin like Shad did!
by d*locc on Jul 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ULF....think about what you are saying....you don't think it was hard work for
Page to even to have to fight guys like Ninja, Shogun, Wandy twice, Arona all when they were in their prime?
You think Oprah Winfry made it on hard work alone….please she had to have some talent in order to become successful.
OJ’s right!!!! She is a cult leader.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Lester
AND FUCK YES to this matchup! I wanted to see this so bad because of the the clear cut opposites in styles intrigues me.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 21, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Only way I see Rampage winning is if he can somehow use his wrestling. Maybe he learned something from the Evans fight, but I doubt it. He thinks he’s a boxer lately. He’s not gonna outstrike Lyoto that’s for sure.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jul 21, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Page needs to change training camps and use his wrestling more.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
^^THIS^^
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed ULF.....can't argue with you there
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. He’s the big fish in a little pond at the Wolf’s Lair – maybe that’s the way he likes it. He’s not going to learn anything beating up on scrubs though.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jul 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
^^Truth^^
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone speculated that that's Rampage's problem... that he actively seeks "big fish in little pond"
Or rather, we’ve probably heard that he doesn’t like training anyway, so how hard is it to extend that to “won’t train at a camp where he could be really tested”?
I think Lyoto is to fast for his wrestling. Rashad and Tito are better wrestlers than Rampage and neither one of them really did anything against him.
Mindja, Tito's form was AWFUL against Machida... and Rashad almost entirely abandoned his wrestling that night
Machida was actually moving out of the way of one of Tito’s shots because he even moved forward…
Disagree oj. Machida by vicious TkO!!!
I can’t wait for this fight! Page been talking trash about lyoto now let’s seem him back it up.
by d*locc on Jul 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
finally rampage decided to man up and face lyoto
I think lyoto will make him quit fighting
Leg kicks are the most underrated weapon in MMA
by robinhorobson on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i see Lyoto schooling Rampage in the stand up most of the fight, untill Rampage lands one clean shot and drops Lyoto. Rampage TKO
You could well be right there
I just hope Page gets his killer instinct back cos he was getting smothered against Shad, had the chance to finish him and missed with 10 shots on a rocked Rashad!
He blew his wad and gassed out… I think he’ll get one opportunity, i just hope he takes it
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Matchup
But I kinda feel Rampage doesn’t deserve Machida just yet. I know both are coming off a loss but Machida was just champ and that was his first loss. Rampage looked pretty bad against Rashada and that was not a title fight. IDK. It will be a good fight and that’s what Joe Silva is looking at but realistically I would have liked to see Rampage do something a little more to deserve a shot at Machida. I’m probably alone here and will get flamed but it is what it is.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
Doesn't deserve Machida??
I disagree completly! I feel like Rashad won but I dnt think he proved he was a better fighter. I think another round it woulda went to page by Ko. So I feel like Rampage didn’t fall far down the ladder. Top 4 in the division r Rua, Evans,Machida, and Page.. So I think this fight is right on point
You dont have to like me.. but you WILL respect my opinion! Jon Jones Cannot be Stopped! and neither can Anderson SIlva! Cain or Dos Santos??
by Mal_FLoe on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it wass pretty obvious who was the better fighter
Rampage had his chance to finish evans and he couldnt do it. And no way he could handle another round with rashads clinching and stalling he just looked bad and would just give up if it went to a fourth round
Leg kicks are the most underrated weapon in MMA
by robinhorobson on Jul 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
however i do agree that he should be fighting machida
Altough it messes up the lhw division pretty bad.
Fighting the guy who just knocked out the guy you lost to
Leg kicks are the most underrated weapon in MMA
by robinhorobson on Jul 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rampage better toughen
up his legs, ‘cus he’s gonna get his legs bashed worse than was the case wrt Griffin.
rampage twitter was hilarious
“about to sign agreement for my next opponent. would tell you who it is but i cant spell his name”
My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor
who knows what fucking rampage will show
has he been training since rashad? or has he gained 10-20 pounds again already that he will need to lose?
this guy is a meathead. i used to love him and find him funny, but i cant respect such a non-disciplined athlete in this sport!
My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor
Newfie.....I think success has spoiled Page.....he has gotten pretty far without really
having to push as hard as some people because of his natural gifts….but I think it is good that everyone is taking their game up another notch which means Page will have to do or die.
I think he needs hardships to get motivated.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what it is..
But I was NEVER a believer in Rampage. He has mediocre hands, NO ground game off his back, no jits anywhere, and even his wrestling is average.
Rampage has always had one thing, and that power. He has always been a one-dimensional fighter like he is today, it’s just nowadays his average wrestling is not good enough to get most people down, and he knows it, hence his lack of wanting to use his wrestling.
If I were to make a top ten list of 205ers Rampage would be in top ten, but I wouldn’t have a hard time thinking of 5-6 people who could beat him without much trouble. The guy is too one dimensional for a sport that requires you to be 4-D.
I’m saying it now(and have since he lost to Forrest), Rampage WILL NEVER hold the belt again in the UFC.
Interesting comment.....You know I never thought Griffin would ever hold the belt
or Rashad Evans either for that matter but look what happened. Griffin went on to beat two guys SHogun and Page who he would struggle with now. The NY Giants weren’t supposed to beat the 16-0 Patriots in the SuperBowl yet look what happened.
If you think the belt is only held by the best fighters in the world you would be thinking wrong. Fighters lose fights they shouldn’t lose all the time that’s why we watch the sport.
I agree Page isn’t the best but that isn’t required obviously because Matt Serra is a former champ, I have to think Rampage has accomplished alot more career-wise than Serra has and Page is still top 10 where Serra doesn’t even belong in discussion in his weight class.
We will have to see if Page answers the call to go above or beyond or does he tank like AA, Cro Cop, anyone named Shamrock, Randleman, Coleman, or Silvia
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have the skills anymore to do that tho..
Griffin being an exception, most unlikely champs are still very solid fighters.
Rampage is WAY to one dimensional for him to be champion again, and yes. Many unforeseen things have happened in MMA, but for such a one-dimensional fighter to win the title again, I think is bad for the sport.
Again, nothing against Rampage personally, I just don’t get the hype or the admiration he gets even since his Pride days. He slams people and has KO people, but those days are over for him when he faces anybody in the top tier.
You are making my point Ray Ray......"unlikely champs are still very solid fighters"
you said it right there.
Rampage isn’t any more one dimensional than Brock.
“a one-dimensional fighter to win the title again, I think is bad for the sport.”
How so? They will eventually get beat but how is that bad for the sport?
" I just don’t get the hype or the admiration he gets even since his Pride days. He slams people and has KO people, but those days are over for him when he faces anybody in the top tier."
Don’t get the admiration?! He beat Chuck Liddell TWICE while Chuck was in his Prime. Wandy couldn’t do that and Wandy is loved by most. Rampage avenged his two losses to Wandy CONVINCINGLY! That may have something to do with it.
"When the world hands you a Jeffrey.......Furry Walls, Furry Walls!"
-Aldous Snow
by WarriorSaint on Jul 21, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know if this has any shot of making the 121 card?
Lesnar vs Cain, Shields vs The Hitman locked in already, and then this? Potentially card of the year.
Last time I checked there NYE is not in the Fall there Ulf....
And the article title is “‘Rampage’ Jackson vs Lyoto Machida in the works for Fall 2010”.
Haha, just playing. Kind of a disappointing Main Event for the NYE card but whatever.
2 weeks off, but yeah, kinda dumb on my part.
I can’t think of another high profile fight for the NYE card, so that was on my minde before even reading the title. haha.
I'm going for Maaaaachiiida!
rampage hasn’t been the same as of late well maybe a while, maybe rampage does well and makes aother run for a titleshot again shogun, would be good rematch since he got owned in the first fight, redemption!
Good event
and Im actually gunna say Rampage by KO
by theworldismine on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
This is possible, I think. Lyoto has never been KO’d before Shogun. Maybe he comes out a little nervous/tentative knowing Rampage has power to KO. He could easily psyche himself out and make a mistake. This fight will tell us if Lyoto is a champion or not.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jul 21, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This will rezimble Lyoto v. Ortiz
I don’t see page landing a single devastating blow the entire fight.
Chalk up another loss ....
for Rampage. While its an itriguing match, it willbe rather boring in my opinion. Rampage will be chasing Machida all over the OCtagon for 15 minutes and Machida will do jsut enough to eak out a decision, peppering rampage witha few shots here and there and maybe a take down or 2.
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
Damn, get this guy in the UFC. He needs to be fighting Brock…6 KO’s all in the first round!
by HappyLittleTreez on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL Ryu nice
yuup machida should be able to get it done.
God is too big for just one religion...
by jason*bourne on Jul 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please tell Mike Goldberg
to stop pronouncing it “Mashida.” Just wanted to get that off my chest.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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Hell yeah!!!
I’m a HUGE Machida mark and so-so on Rampage. After seeing Machida fight 1 of my other fav fighters in Shogun (BJ,Shogun,Machida are my 3 favs) back to back… I’m glad I can finally go back to rooting for them both in their next fights… FINALLY!! lol
I feel confident Machida wins. Rampage still can’t defend kicks and is predictable. Machida should have his timing down pretty easy. I agree Machida may not get the KO this time. Rampage does have a hard chin and Machida may play it somewhat safe coming off a loss… a KO loss at that. But I think Machida most likely dominates and clowns Rampage… Can’t wait as I live here in TN and know a bunch of huge Rampage fans lol
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