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UFC 116: "Lesnar vs. Carwin" is set to go down this Saturday, July 3, 2010 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, live on pay-per-view.

Remember: MMAmania.com will provide LIVE updates with blow-by-blow, round-by-round commentary of the main card action on fight night, which is slated to air at 10 p.m. ET.

To get us pumped for the event, MMAmania.com Editor and Senior Writer, Jesse Holland (that’s me), will break down the main card matches and take a closer look at the intricacies of each contest.

And make no mistake, this is the Brock Lesnar show.

We have a pretty decent line-up heading into tomorrow night but let's not pussyfoot around the main event, this is all about who is the world's biggest ass-kicker.

Even if you don't agree that Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin are the top two heavyweights on the planet (I don't), the fall of Fedor Emelianenko back on June 26 has certainly added another layer of intrigue to this contest.

Who is the baddest of the bad? We're going to find out soon enough.

I’ve also included the current betting lines for each fight so that you can get a feel for what the money has to say about the chances of each combatant.

Now, enough with the formalities … let’s get cracking:

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265 lbs.: Brock Lesnar (4-1) vs. Shane Carwin (12-0)

Nostradumbass predicts: UFC President Dana White has been galloping through the streets of "Sin City" on his trusty steed with one of those goofy hats and noisome oil lanterns. "The heavyweights are coming! The heavyweights are coming!" Is this an exciting main event? Absolutely. But that has to do with the allure of Brock Lesnar and not so much the competitiveness of this match-up.

The former WWE star is living proof of the combat sports maxim that a big, scary-looking meathead who snarls at pedestrians and barks at passing cars will always fascinate the general fan base. To that end, he's been a smashing success. And to his credit, he's roughed up a few people along the way. But is Brock Lesnar a good fighter? That depends on what your definition of "good" is. Personally, I think he's got the greatest asset you can have in today's MMA: World class wrestling. It's the same reason that Georges St. Pierre is so unbeatable and why "King" Mo made Gegard Mousasi look stupid back in April.

But my job in predicting a fight is to peel back the layers of pre-fight hype and the promotion's requisite sales pitch. Granted, there are more layers than usual here, including my own bias, but can I pick a fighter that is 4-1 against an undefeated opponent at 12-0? No, I can't. I want to, because he's Brock Lesnar, but that's just it, I want to pick the name, not the fighter.

Critics have called Shane Carwin "unproven," but in reality it's Lesnar with the major shortcomings.

He's only fought three people in the UFC. In addition to breaking even with Frank Mir at 1-1, he was taken to a decision by Heath Herring (who's no longer in the UFC) and stopped a geriatric Randy Couture, who is a "Natural" light heavyweight. Brock Lesnar has the division title because he beat a man he outweighs by 50 pounds. Am I taking a dump on Randy's legacy? No way. It's amazing he was able to win the belt at his age in a weight class that has long since outgrown him, but he also won it and kept it by beating Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga, who haven't been able to keep pace with today's goliaths.

I'm not suggesting that Carwin is a perfect fighter because he isn't. His striking defense is a little suspect and I was surprised how easily he was taken down against "Napao." But where he showed weakness he also showed tremendous strength. His nose was broken in that fight and not only did he get back to his feet, he won by knockout. Shane Carwin has heart and a warrior's spirit.

Just ask him, he'll tell you.

Every MMAmaniac knows how I feel about fighters coming off a layoff. Larry Pepe of Pro MMA Radio argues that Lesnar has a simple but effective combination of wrestling and ground-and-pound offense, a style unaffected by his cage absence. He also cites Lesnar's history as a PPV headliner and his comfort zone as the top star. Valid points, but I don't believe you can improve as a fighter without a consistent fight schedule.  A year without improvement in a sport that evolves as quickly as MMA does not bode well for any athlete of any caliber.

And he spent a good portion of that time out of the gym recuperating from a major illness.

But to his point let's assume going into this fight both fighters are equal. Then I have to compare and contrast preparations and training camps. Am I calling my bookie to throw cash at a guy who spends eight months grappling with Chris Tuchscherer and Cole Konrad? Or a guy being groomed under the expert tutelage of Greg Jackson and his stable of UFC all-stars?

And if that's not enough to convince you, take a few minutes to watch the footage from Wednesday's media open workout. Watch both fighters hit the pads. Lesnar can throw a decent punch, but Carwin hits like Jax when he got those bionic implants.

Scary stuff.

In case you can't tell by reading this long-winded prediction, I'm taking Carwin. "Well if Brock can implement his wrestling game and keep him down and blah, blah, blah ..." C'mon people. It's over. We had a good run and Lesnar played a great heel. But he's a circus strongman, not a UFC heavyweight champion.

That title belongs to Shane Carwin.

Betting lines (as of July 2):

Lesnar: -145 ((Bet Now))

Carwin: +115 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Carwin by knockout

185 lbs.: Yoshihiro "Sexyama" Akiyama (13-1) vs. Chris "The Crippler" Leben (20-6)

Nostradumbass predicts: It's impossible to say this without disrespecting Chris Leben, which is not intended, but man do I wish Wanderlei Silva was still on this card. It doesn't matter much in my prediction, because Akiyama is going down regardless of his opponent. Don't think "The Crippler" is the man to do it? He doesn't need to be. "Sexyama" has already done all the work for him.

If you had enough sense to skip over the novel that was my "Lesnar vs. Carwin" prediction, I'll remind you that I don't like fighters who spend a year on the sidelines. Baseball players who miss a significant amount of time don't return and hit .300 right off the bat (pun intended). Why? Because no matter how many swings you take in batting practice, your timing and mechanics need to adjust to a human opponent.

Fighting is no different.

And to stay on the baseball analogy, a lot of hitters go through a major funk because they're mentally broken. Remember all that second-guessing Akiyama was doing a week before the fight? It's never a good sign when a guy is making excuses for losing before he even steps foot in the cage. Normally a late change in opponents favors the existing fighter, but Leben is fresh off a training camp for another ground attacker in Aaron Simpson.

Not only is he fresh out of camp, he's got a huge win to go with it. Leben has the momentum, the preparations and most importantly, the right mindset for this fight. Believe me, I understand Akiyama's disappointment, because the fans have felt it too and that's not even an ounce of what it must be like for him. But this is the fight game and how you handle that kind of adversity is what makes or breaks you in your career.

As a total package, Akiyama is clearly the better fighter. Let's not forget it wasn't too long ago that Leben was being submitted by Jake Rosholt. But Akiyama doesn't have the power to KO the TUF 1 bad boy and he won't be as sharp as he need to be mentally to win this. Don't be surprised to see some sloppy attempts to grapple early in the fight only to get stuffed and psychologically broken. From there it will be academic.

Upset special kids.

Betting lines (as of July 2):

Akiyama: -210 ((Bet Now))

Leben: +165 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Leben by knockout

170 lbs.: Chris "Lights Out" Lytle (28-17-5) vs. Matt "The Immortal" Brown (11-8)

Nostradumbass predicts: I love giving readers an excuse to call me "Dumbass" and this fight should be no exception. Maybe not in the pick, but perhaps in the logic. You see, I'm convinced that Chris Lytle is going to be knocked out for the first time in his career. And Matt Brown will be the one to do it.

"Lights Out" is 35 and he's been doing this for over 11 years. He also has 50 fights (that we know of) to his credit. That's a major toll to take on someone and I feel like the end may be near. And unfortunately the style that's made him a fan favorite will ultimately betray him.

Is there ever a gameplan? Hard to tell. It seems like Lytle just likes to fight, to get in there and throw leather until someone goes out. His kneebar over Brian Foster earlier this year was impressive, but I don't believe it was part of some master plan. It was there, and he took it. If he did approach this (and future) fights with that kind of strategy, he might have a few more years left in him. But he doesn't get all those "Fight of the Night" bonuses from being a cage tactician. He gets them from wars.

And sooner or later it catches up to you.

How am I certain it will be Saturday night? Well, like Monty Burns told Darryl Strawberry when he got pulled in the ninth inning for Homer Simpson, it's called "playing the percentages." The odds are against him because he already has a win over Brown and well, that whole never-been-knocked-out thing. Let me pillage MLB one more time. Is there anything worse to a baseball fan when their favorite hitter gets up and Joe Morgan proudly declares "In 472 plate appearances, Derek Jeter has never struck out with runners at the corners." What do you think happens in that at-bat?

After the family of Pete Sell dropped the homicide charges against Brown, he went on to whip James Wilks in a performance that surprised a lot of MMA fans. This kid can fight. Sure, he got choked out by Ricardo Almeida, but there was such a grotesque difference in their grappling skills that I'm willing to give him a pass. Brown want to brawl and Lytle is the guy to oblige him. But as I alluded to earlier, Brown is on his way up while Lytle is on his way down.

When they meet in the middle, think of Joe Morgan when the ref is waving Brown off his downed foe.

Betting lines (as of July 2):

Lytle: -200 ((Bet Now))

Brown: +160 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Brown by technical knockout

205 lbs.: Stephan "The American Psycho" Bonnar (11-7) vs. Krzysztof "The Polish Experiment" Soszynski (21-9-1)

Nostradumbass predicts: It must be hard to be Stephan Bonnar. He's lost three straight and looks over to see Keith Jardine being put out to pasture. I'm sure he'll always have a home as a UFC employee, but if you're not out there fighting, do you really want to be in the back smoking a microphone?

Like Forrest Griffin, who isn't far behind him in terms of expiration date, the sport doesn't need "The American Psycho" anymore. He was a great addition in the beginning, but his legendary toughness and never-say-die attitude have been overshadowed by his shortcoming inside the Octagon. Simply put, he's good at his craft in a sport that now requires him to be an expert.

I don't want to make it sound like he's fighting Anderson Silva or that we should start throwing dirt on the coffin, because Krzysztof Soszynski isn't a world beater. But in this fight he doesn't need to be. I had him ahead on points "Down Under" and he just looked to be more complete. He's had his share of struggles but what you do see is a marked improvement each time out. Bonnar may very well be the same fighter he was in 2005.

Not good enough.

He's still durable and can win this fight if "The Polish" experiments too much, but I have a sneaking suspicion this may be the last time we see Bonnar on the main card of a pay-per-view. Look for Soszynksi to keep his distance and get the better of the exchanges. It might be closer than he wants it to be as Bonnar will give a valiant effort, but I still see this one going to the cards -- and not in "Psycho's" favor.

Betting lines (as of July 2):

Soszynski: -230 ((Bet Now))

Bonnar: +180 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Soszynski by unanimous decision

155 lbs.: George Sotiropoulos (12-2) vs. Kurt "Batman" Pellegrino (16-4)

Nostradumbass predicts: I'm all for self-confidence, but Kurt Pellegrino has been carrying on like some MMA missionary who just came down from his tete-a-tete with the burning bush. You've been impressive, yes, but you're not really "Batman."

What I like about the New Jersey native is that he was able to bounce back (4-0) from an embarrassing loss to Nate Diaz to re-establish himself as force among the lightweight contenders. He has great wrestling, great submissions and the discipline to stick with his gameplan. Josh Neer wanted to punch him. Pellegrino wouldn't let him. Sexy? No, but it's called "winning." In fact, he's looked better and better each fight.

But is it enough to quell the Australian uprising?

Sotiropoulos has gone 5-0 in the UFC since getting bounced from the TUF competition and like the batty man, he's continued to look better each time out. The destruction of Joe Stevenson was his coming out party and it will be important for him to have the same performance tomorrow night.

Breaking down this fight I have them equal or close in skill set. They also share a similar caliber of opponent in recent outings. I'm leaning towards George because he has both the size and the reach advantage and is probably a little crisper in the stand-up, but Pellegrino will not go away so easily and George won't have the home field advantage like he did against "Daddy."

In fact, I might as well just pull a Nostradumbass flip-flop and take Kurt in a split decision in what should be "Fight of the Night." I'm notorious for flip-flopping but this may be the first one I've ever done mid-prediction. Not impressed? Me neither. But I have to take Kurt because we're both from New Jersey and "upsets" are the theme for me today anyway.

So let it be written, so let it be dumb.

Betting lines (as of July 2):

George Sotiropoulos: -200 ((Bet Now))

Kurt Pellegrino: +160 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Pellegrino by split decision

That’s a wrap, folks.

Remember to come check us out after the show for all the latest results, recaps and coverage of "Lesnar vs. Carwin."

What do you think? Now it’s your turn … let us have it in the comments section and share your thoughts and picks for Saturday’s event.

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Just when he comes through big with

the Carwin KO, holland blows it with the Brown TKO. Come one man, really?i mean really?!

Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

As much as I like and want to pick Brown to win

I think Lytle’s ground game will be a little too slick for him. I’m thinking Lytle by submission.

by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jul 2, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, how did mo make Mousasi look stupid?

Mousasi beat mo into a bloody pulp from his back, if anyone looked stupid it was mo.

by Lester The Pimp on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

naw Mousasi looked stupid

he was taken down at will. like the easiest anyone has ever been taken down

live simply.

by Newfie3 on Jul 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree fully

I have no idea how people say Mo won that fight. He was on top the whole time and did nothing except get punched in his face and back handed repeatedly

Good call on that bro

enzo-enormous
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by enzo-enormous on Jul 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only got a carwin money line for small change

Don’t know about leben’s chances though. Akiyama soundly outstruck Belcher who is far better standing. This is the same leben who lost to Bisping’s “exit left” strategy. Just not sure. I would think pelligrino is a better pick.

Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"But he's a circus strongman, not a UFC heavyweight champion"

Boy Jesse…you’ll be eating those words come Sunday morning!

by ducknow on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be eating scrapple too

after the $$$ I put on Carwin I won’t have any money for groceries

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think lesnar is a lock now.

If only because Jesse picked Carwin. haha

by naturalshadow on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it wasn’t so much an unbiased and objective breakdown of the fight as it was a hollow and pathetic attempt to convince yourself you’ll be able to pay the rent after the fight is over.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jul 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That has to be it.

Nobody actually believes Carwin has a chance, they are only hoping to win their dumb bets. Say good-bye to that money.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 2, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesse is leading the Anti-Brock Movement!

PRAYING for Brock to be laid out stiff…..

"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn

"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy

by IrishMikey on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I would like to see your picks for the last 3 Lesnar fights/

by Cpt Mason on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

who do you have winning mason?

junior dos santos = ufc heavyweight champ 2011. count on it

by jsteele on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it's tomorrow night?

Thank you for the reminder because I nearly forgot. The UFC should learn how to promote their events like SF does.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy how you defend your reasons for picking Carwin.. :)

Herring’s not in the UFC anymore because of Lesnar.. Lesnar crushed him, mentally and physically.. Herring admits that the beating was not worth the money he gets..

Randy was the favorite in the fight.. Brock was green.. Brock sucks.. Brock.. this.. Brock that.. lol

Brock beat the current and former division champion with little fight experience.. Randy was the man after he beat Sylvia and smoked Gonzaga.. But because he lost to Lesnar.. he was never any good and he’s too old.. Yet he went toe to toe with Vera after that fight and won an arguable decision.. Randy was not exposed.. Lesnar proved his credibility..

Lesnar’s actually got more in ring time than Carwin..

Lesnar: 31.94 minutes of fight time
Carwin: 13.7 minutes of fight time

All that talk of number of fights doesn’t really mean much for experience.. What adversity has Shane dealt with besides the Gonzaga fight ??

Lesnar has faced tougher opponents in his last 3 fights than Shane.. The only correlation is the Mir fight.. It was a wash.. They both beat Mir.. The only difference was Mir tried to fight back against Lesnar and didn’t against Carwin..

I sure hope you’re not a fight handicapper.. lol Perhaps you should really research more than just the names of the fighters.. An in depth into their training partners and coaches.. Lesnars camp> Carwins camp..

I’m not saying Carwin has no chance to win.. But trying to rationalize Brock is nothing more than a strong man and a name and has no ability is beyond idiotic..

Peter Welch, Randy Couture, Kole Conrad, Marty Morgan, Luke Richesson, Erik Paulson, Rodrigo Medeiros and a host of others would all say different..

Lesnar trains with the current cream of the crop NCAA wrestling champions.. Carwin has Ron Waterman, Brendan Shuab, Demico Rodgers, Nate Marquardt and Rashad Evans.. How are any of those really pushing Carwin for a fight with Lesnar ??

Don’t try and use the Greg Jackson is the guru of MMA planning.. It’s BS.. How’s that Jackson coaching worked out for Leonard Garcia, Keith Jardine and a host of other Jackson fighters…
 

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like Jesse's opinions made you sad.

sniffle

"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn

"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy

by IrishMikey on Jul 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol.. nah not sad...

I just thought his rationale was funny…

I’m smart enough “not” to bet on this fight.. It’s a pick’em fight… Too many questions for both sides.. The ones that trash Brock and raise question forget that those same questions can be applied to Carwin too..

One thing you can’t say about Carwin though.. He hasn’t defended a belt before.. Lesnar has… I’d go with the more experienced fighter in this case.. Lesnar is the more experienced fighter.. He’s been a main event/ co-main even in every one of his fights.. He’s been at the “big stage” and defended the belt already.. That’s a huge psychological advantage he has over Carwin; who admits that he was very nervous in both the Gonzaga and Mir fights…

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got Carwin but simply because of two things

He can put very good pressure in a standing clinch while creating shot openings. And I was impressed with his recuperative siills with GG. but i agree with you about Jackson being overrated. If youcan’t teach Jardine to keep his right hand up, then sorry i have to question you.

Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

See.. and that rationale makes perfect sense..

Good analysis.. :)

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

how dare you sir

Who isn’t hypnotized by Swick hitting the pads?

Err-RAH…rah-rah-rah-rah…err-RAH…RAH…RAH…

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Jul 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

You and Swick both suck. LOL

jk jh

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Herring’s not in the UFC anymore because of Lesnar.”
What planet are you on? Herring was only in the UFC to lose to “name” fighters on their way up. Now that he has…he isnt being offered fights. After all when he loses his next few, it will take the luster off of Brock’s uh, victory.

“Randy was the favorite in the fight.”
Randy was also coming off a long layoff, is old as fuck, and had previously left the HW division due to the size descrepency. This was a gift fight for Brock.

“Lesnar: 31.94 minutes of fight time
Carwin: 13.7 minutes of fight time”
Right….Carwin has fought more guys, but becuase he was able to finish them, you are calling it lack of experience….OKAAAAAAAY.

“Randy was the man after he beat Sylvia and smoked Gonzaga.. But because he lost to Lesnar.. he was never any good and he’s too old.”
Yep, the same people who discredited Fedor for beating Sylvia are now saying Sylvia was good when he fought Randy. ANd Ganzaga is hardly unbeatable. No Randy was in no position to for success in that fight.

“What adversity has Shane dealt with besides the Gonzaga fight ??”
He hasn’t. He has only two legit fights in GG and Mir, who are both very beatable. Brocks defeat will be even more of a wake up call when he loses to a guy who has had two legit fights.

“Peter Welch, Randy Couture, Kole Conrad, Marty Morgan, Luke Richesson, Erik Paulson, Rodrigo Medeiros and a host of others would all say different..”
Right, becuase the winner will be decided by vote.

“Don’t try and use the Greg Jackson is the guru of MMA planning.. It’s BS..”
Okay, becuase you say its BS, then I guess Brock is in a better camp….NOT.

by StrikerDave on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Herring

Heath was brought in with a lot of fanfare and big expectations. He could have been a star if he’d delivered in the octagon. They gave him a big push and talked him up in his Fight Night debut and then he let Jake O’Brien control him for three rounds.

Heath can talk all he wants about how Dana’s got his favorites, but guess what? Dana’s favorites are the guys who deliver. Not the guys who lose and bitch about not being “picked” to be a star.

by pancakehead on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herring was brought in with that much hoopla...

So that the UFc would have a "name’ that the real fighters can beat and have some validity. Too bad he lost to OBrien, and barely go past Kongo and IMes….IMES!

What a softball for Brock.

by StrikerDave on Jul 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar’s actually got more in ring time than Carwin..
Lesnar: 31.94 minutes of fight time
Carwin: 13.7 minutes of fight time

that’s such a ridiculous argument.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Jul 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it ??

Carwin took the long road against lesser competition..

Lesnar took a fast track against harder opponents..

For all the talk about the “amount of fights giving experience”.. What experienced has been gained in the 13 + minutes from Carwins fight career ??

That he ended all his fights in the first round ?? Well that can be both good and bad.. True fight experience is measured by the level of competition multiplied by the amount of time it takes to compete.. I’m not discrediting Carwin here either..

I merely pointed out that Lesnar has more time in than Carwin does.. regardless of the amount of fights they both have on their resume’s..

Carwin could be 100-0 and Brock be 4-1 and it would still measure by level of competition multiplied by the amount of time it takes to compete to gain experience..

 

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hardly had harder opponents...Randy was outweighed by 50 lbs

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, they both fought Mir and Carwin was able to finish him much more quickly.

I know, I know he did it too quickly and didn’t gain any experience from it. Haha!

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Jul 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

Mir actually “tried” to fight back against Brock…

Against Carwin.. not so much.. What experience was gained in the Mir fight ??

He clinched Mir and Mir sat there and did nothing to defend his position or himself.. Did not attempt to fight back in any way.. I guess he really learned a lot in that fight.. lol

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Mir's "strategy" was puzzling to say the least.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah those sweep attempts and the maximum amount of effort Mir made to escape from under Brock in the 1st round almost made him break a sweat.

So your reason for Carwin beating Mir quicker is because he wasn’t fighting back? Wow, and you think JH has poor reasoning.

"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

by Diceman on Jul 2, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are making it seem

as if they offered Carwin; Mir, Big Nog, Couture, Kongo, Cain an all the other “top” hws and he declined to fight him. Lesnar got them because of drawing power, Carwin took the long road but it wasn’t because he had a chance to fight the elite hw’s.

Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,

by the chubbster on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously...

I was just pointing out the obvious..

We know the reasons why one was fast tracked and the other wasn’t..

I was referring to the fact that Shane has 7 more professional fights because of the fact that he had to take the longer road to the title and that’s why there is a disparity between the amount of fights between both guys..

People bag on Lesnar for only having 5 pro fights and then say Carwin will when because he is more experienced.. I don’t necessarily think so because Lesnar won and defended his belt in 5 total fights. He has the experience of selling and being the main/co-main event in every fight.. That experience and added pressure is TOTALLY different than fight experience..

I think with the amount of wrestling matches Lesnar has and the amount of time he has spent training his entire life, I think they’re pretty much equal in fight experience.. I guarantee you if Lesnar had to take the long road through the low ranks that his record would be damn near identical to Carwins too.. Records don’t always equal better fighter/more experience..Level of competition, and the level of carrying an entire event around your own name counts for a lot of the psychological pressure and adds a dynamic to the “experience” category..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 3, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

To further illustrate my point about the experiece factor of dealing with media and carrying a PPV..

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=11957&zoneid=2

If you think that kind of experience isn’t real.. you’re sadly mistaken.. It takes a lot of mental preparation to handle both responsibilities of being ready for the fight and being ready for the media attention and keeping the same focus without letting the negative press get to you..

Carwin has shown bits and pieces of letting the negative press get to him already.. He’s started deleting his Twitter followers that were reporting links from MMA sites speaking negatively about him.. Not to mention the fiasco of his “pay” and him complaining about no PPV percentages..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 3, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herring wrote his own story

Win and you’re in. Don’t and you won’t.

If he’d finished Nogeira after that head kick you don’t think Dana would have put him against Sylvia for the interim title?

by pancakehead on Jul 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're biased.. Whic is fine... But you've obviously missed the point of that post..

I never said I was for or against any fighter.. I merely said the same questions apply to both fighters..

The points I’ve illustrated are subjective to some.. objective to others..

But the main point of the post still applies.. Brock is more than a circus strongman, not a UFC heavyweight champion.

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real talking points here:

Current activity > Long layoff – Advantage : Carwin

Number of MMA fights > Number of minutes in cage – Advantage : Carwin

High caliber wrestling > Powerful strikes – Advantage : Brock

Everything else is over analyzation and a waste of time, people.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again.. Subjective..

Current activity > Long layoff – Advantage : Carwin ??

Who’s to say that as fact when they haven’t fought yet ?? That’s just your own assumption.

Lesnar had 6 months to prepare while Carwin had 3..

Lesnar’s camp is solely dedicated to one man.. Lesnar.. While there are other fighters in his camp.. The primary goal is always centered around one man.

Carwin shares a camp with other fighters so the emphasis can be spread amongst all fighters..

Lesnar’s training partners are all big, strong, young guys. It’s easier for Lesnar to find people like Carwin than it is for Carwin to find people like Lesnar..

I’d say it’s a wash until we see the fight…

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is when you can't say for sure how Lensnar will perform in the fight..

Carwin has not been “active”.. He’s had one fight in the amount of time that Brock’s been out.. That fight was in March..

It’s not like Carwin has had 2-3 fights and been actively competing either..

Carwin was coming off a long layoff into the Mir fight.. How did that give Mir an advantage because Mir had more fights in that time span (Lensar and Kongo).

You’re just assuming that layoffs are all the same.. Lesnar doesn’t get fat and out of shape between fights like Rampage does..So the “layoff” is not identical in every situation..

His illness was in Nov. He was healed and cleared Jan 5th.. He’s regained all his size and his coaches say he’s in better condition now than when he last fought.. I’ll take their word for it.. I don’t buy into the layoff theory if the guys is a year rounder like Lesnar and Carwin are.. Only applies to guys that Don’t train in between fights and get out of shape.. that’s the layoffs that hurt people.. Those guys have to stay active to stay in shape, otherwise they get out of shape and lose timing and endurance..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again..

Because Brock has not fought yet.. where does this advantage come from ??

You haven’t even seen Brock perform yet to make an accurate assessment if the layoff had any effect or not..

So your “advantage theory” is… subjective..

I’m not saying you’re wrong.. I’m saying it’s impossible for you to declare someone else wrong for saying Brock is not at a disadvantage..

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by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some could even go as far to say that..

Brock didn’t have to cut as much weight for this fight as Carwin so he may be in better shape..

Not that this statement is 100% conclusive.. Just stating the obvious..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.. you're absolutely justified in your POV..

The illness is a question mark.. A very valid and real question mark..

My whole point though is that it is a question mark.. But both fighters have pretty much the same question marks against them..

Lesnar has the illness..

Carwin has never been out of the first round..

We know Carwin has huge power..

We also know a healthy Brock can go a full fight without gassing..

They both are big strong guys..

But some of the rationale people are using is not so accurate..

My point was that Brock is a year round guy.. He never takes time off to sit around and get fat and out of shape.. Neither does Carwin.. The illness will only be a visible factor once the fight occurs.. Because he has regained all his size, he’s reported by multiple sources as being in the best shape of his entire career. He spent the last 6 months training for this fight. The guy trains like a real fight.. If that isn’t an indicator as to his illness questions, I don’t know what is.. I think if it really affected him negatively, he would have backed out by now..

If Carwin wins.. it won’t be because Brock was at a disadvantage from fight time.. Carwin’s only has 1 single fight since Brock was last in the octagon..A fight in which didn’t do much for or against Carwin because Mir never fought back…

I just think Brock is actually at an advantage for a couple reasons:

1. His training partners..

He trains with current NCAA HW champion, former 2x HW Div. I champion, former DIv. II Champion, and former Div II runner up.. That’s just for starters.. Brock also has Erik Paulson (striking) and Marty Morgan (wrestling). Peter Welch (boxing), Randy Couture (wrestling & clinch), Comprido (BJJ), and Luke Richesson (strength and conditioning).

This gives Brock a more simulated fight feel for his own game plan.. He also brought in a couple HW power punchers very similar to Carwin to mimic timing and power punching.. Lesnar’s camp should have him very prepared for this fight.

2. Psychological effect.

Brock has been a main event fighter since he walked into the UFC. While only having 4 UFC fights, it shows he doesn’t get the nervous and doesn’t get taken out of his game plan. For all the talk about the Herring fight. Lesnar stuck to the plan to a tee.. Their fight plan was never get over aggressive and grind on him.. If they could finish, finish.. But if not.. just grind him down.. Heath is a tough M’fer.. He doesn’t get finished often.. He had over 50 professional fights.. Brock beat him with 2 professional fights.. Brock is as mentally strong as they come.. He’s the ultimate competitor.. I still question Carwins mental toughness (overall).. He openly admitted to being very nervous for the Gonzaga and Mir fights.. Mir was his first co/main event.. Now he is the main event and he almost couldn’t handle the pressure of the press attention.

3. Fight experience.

As illustrated above.. You may not buy into it.. Again I claim it is subjective to some.. objective to others.. Shanes had 7 more pro fights than Lensar, but much of those fights were identical to the Mir fight.. Opponents not doing much to fight back.. Is Carwin “really” that good.. or is it another victim of circumstance ?? I’ll wager on the safer bet.. Lesnar being tougher than Carwin.. Lesnar beat Herring in his 3rd pro fight.. A guy that had been in with the best of the best and had over 50 pro fights in MMA.. Lesnar the “rookie” made him look silly and beat him badly.. Lesnar’s competition experience on the big stage is more credible than Carwins 7 extra fights in MMA.. Lesnar has been in the spotlight and at the top of all his professions.. He’s got mental toughness and experience dealing with the pressures associated..

 

 

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Ap11e7KE141GVLRANUyT1cg9Eo14?slug=dm-trainingpartner070110

Take Ron Watermans word for it…

The same points I’ve brought up about Carwin.. He admits to being real..He also admits that real fight experience and training aren’t the same thing..

Ron Waterman might be as big as Brock, but he is far from the athlete Brock is.. My point is.. That’s who Carwin used to mimic Brock in training..

Brock on the other hand had the current HW Div. I champ and a host of former HW Div. champs to help him get his wrestling game ready for another big guy.. He also used a couple big boxers with huge power to test him for standup..

Peter Welch is one of the best boxing trainers in the country.. He has a bunch of big power punchers that can mimic Carwin and match his power.. Carwin on the other hand does not have the resources to really get anyone close to Brocks level to simluate the “entire package”..

Either one of these guys lands a big one and it’s over.. But I have to give the advantage to Lensar for the obvious reasons.. I think if there was any doubt in Lesnar or his camps mind that he wouldn’t be prepared to beat Carwin.. I think they would have bowed out already.. His appearance alone shows he took this serious..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

OJ

Carwin has had one fight since Brock’s last fight. It lasted 1 minute.

Ring rust is equal.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not reading the rest of your post, but to address the first point-history has shown us that long layoffs are not good.

It doesn’t mean an auto win, but you have to factor it in as a plus for a guy that has been fighting over the past year.

"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

by Diceman on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, its a clear disadvantage. It is not a guarantee for Carwin but to call it a wash is simply optimistic on behalf of Brock.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I’m going for Carwin, but he beat Mir coming off a long layoff.

The difference is that he was training for all of it. Brock was busy trying to not die.

And a lot of that camp was for Lesnar; he wasn’t scheduled to fight Mir until not long before the fight.

Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.

by Johnny WF on Jul 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lesnar was in the hospital for less than 2 full weeks..

Once he was out of the hospital, he was fine.. He spent a month doing tests and follow-ups to make sure he was 100% and was cleared Jan. 5th..

If this fight would have been in March.. I would agree with the theory.. My stepfather has diverticulitis and he was out of the hospital in 9 days. Fully recovered in less than 21 days following.. And he’s not even in the same league of conditioning as Lesnar was..

This isn’t like he was in a severe car or motorcycle accident and had to endure physical therapy.. He lost 42 lbs.. But that is no big deal.. I have had food poising and lost 31 lbs while staying in the hospital for a week on IV’s.. I regained everything in less than 3 full weeks from my release from the hospital..

It’s not as bad as it’s may seem because he never had to have any surgery.. It would be no different if he had Celiac disease.. Once the diet was corrected.. All the pain and discomfort goes away immediately and the growth process restarts immediately..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jul 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you win your Leben bet

Kendall Grove and Lesnar the best bets

Bisping's opponents RIP

by Tonyuk on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

As for my picks.
Lesnar
Akiyama
Brown
Soszynski
Sotiropoulos

Schaub
Romero

Reljic
Harris
Roberts
Madsen

by Cpt Mason on Jul 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Carwin having better stand up is a myth.

Lesnar has better stand up and will win in round 1

Bisping's opponents RIP

by Tonyuk on Jul 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

LMFAO...

“Lesnar has better stand up and will win in round 1”

Really?

Was it his inability to finish anyone standing and Carwins dynamic finishes that give you that feeling Tonyuk.

by StrikerDave on Jul 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock basically took out Randy standing

But Brock will try to get this to the ground. Why fight an opponent at his strength? Put Carwin on his back where he can’t knock you out and grind him out.

by Pantherhare on Jul 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Brock will get this to the ground why even bring up his standup?

Just another Brocksucker who thinks Brock can do everything and anything.

Brock once preformed surgery on a guy during a wrestling tourney.

Brock can win the fields medal for mathematics if he wants to

Brock’s singing voice is like a baby canary.

Jeeeeezuz, Brock can do somethings well. Thats it. He can barely form sentences.

by StrikerDave on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that was directed at the Tonyuk

I was just responding to your assertion that Brock has an inability to finish anyone standing.

I do think Brock would be taking an unnecessary risk by just standing with Carwin.

by Pantherhare on Jul 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Carwin has such awesome stand-up he got dropped by Gonzaga and rocked by NEIL FUCKING WAIN. He punches hard. That’s it. There is a big difference between having great stand-up and just being a hard puncher.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

HUH??? Better stand up? Based on what? He's only thrown a handful of punches his entire career

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And KO'd everyone he hit.

Or smashed their face so bad they retired.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 2, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good picks, but...

I aggree with the picks but have to go with Soszynksi by decision and Sotiropoulos winning by rear naked. Sotiropoulos is a great fighter and actually think this will be an easy win.

by Bluepit on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt till Sunday

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling Lesnar a “circus strongman” is shit.

by Cpt Mason on Jul 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

a lot of butt-hurt Lesnar fans coming out of the woodwork. No worries, if Lezzie pulls off the win, I’ll be right there with a post for you guys to shit all over me with your “I told you so’s”.

In fact, I’ll put it right on top of the post-fight recap.

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Jul 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree and you should...Brock isn't going to like getting hit in the face

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Duffee all over again.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Jul 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock is a farce and will get beat

he is strong with no skills at standup…Randy was an old man and Mir tapped him the first time, Carwin wins an easy fight, brock looks like a clown when throwing punches, in a division with Carwin and JDS that wont last long

by Robert(1) on Jul 2, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrestle him

Or STFU

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gud call on the main event.

I still think akyama can out point leben that fight has fireworks written all over it. I like both brown & lytle FOTN written all over it!

by d*locc on Jul 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ironic It Would Be

if Brock or Carwin won by submission…

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

A neck crank would be awesome.

Haven’t seen one of those in a long time.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Jul 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a guillotine from Carwin is unlikely

Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.

by Johnny WF on Jul 2, 2010 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'm betting

brock wins by omaplata!!!! lol :D

Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,

by the chubbster on Jul 3, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

BROCK GNP HALF WAY OF THE 2ND RD!

Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.

by DAFTMANIA on Jul 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Why does Carwin Have A Training Advantage?
But to his point let’s assume going into this fight both fighters are equal. Then I have to compare and contrast preparations and training camps. Am I calling my bookie to throw cash at a guy who spends eight months grappling with Chris Tuchscherer and Cole Konrad? Or a guy being groomed under the expert tutelage of Greg Jackson and his stable of UFC all-stars?

 Honestly I think your giving Jackson to much credit. Jacksons may be a better gym to improve at but to prepare for a fight your training partners being able to emulate your opponent can be a huge boost. Carwin is a big strong wrestler that Lesnar wants to take down. Guess what Lesnar traings with as good or in better wrestlers who are physically just as imposing as Carwin. While Rashad, GSP and the crew at Jacksons may be good wrestlers how much does it take for somebody much bigger and stronger like Carwin to defend and how do these guys help Carwin prepare for a guy even bigger and stronger than himself in Lesnar. This is one fight Lesnar has the right gym for, IMO.

by The Toxic on Jul 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

MMA Authority: I bet you have a Brock Lesnar cut-out poster . . .

. . . in you room and you look over at it when you are wacking off to a Peter North porno . . .

by DownUnder on Jul 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Peter North

is the Randy Couture of porn

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Jul 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

H

I thought Disco Bernie was.

Well, if you count stripping as porn.

Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.

by Johnny WF on Jul 2, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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