Jake Shields officially signs with Zuffa, set to face Martin Kampmann at UFC 121 in Anaheim
by James Kimball on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT
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A couple days ago it was a rumor. Today it is a fact.
Jake Shields (25-4-1) confirmed his inevitable signing with the UFC via Twitter, as well as his first opponent with the promotion, Martin Kampmann.
The former Strikeforce Middleweight Champion has come to terms with the UFC after getting his release from his contract with the San Jose-based mixed martial arts promotion he's called home since the collapse of Elite XC nearly two years ago.
During his recent negotiations, Shields flirted with the UFC and spoke publicly about his desire to fight Octagon champions Georges St. Pierre (welterweight) and Anderson Silva (middleweight).
He also served as assistant coach to Chuck Liddell on Season 11 of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF).
While he competed in the 185-pound class in Strikeforce, Shields is a natural 170-pound competitor and has the flexibility to move between weight classes depending on what opportunities present themselves.
For now, he'll concentrate on his longtime goal of facing St. Pierre should "Rush" defeat Josh Koscheck (again) later this year with his first step in that direction coming in the form of a top-flight welterweight scrap with Martin Kampmann.
Kampmann has done some recent damage himself, welcoming another high profile welterweight to the Octagon when former WEC stud Carlos Condit debuted at UFC Fight Night 19 back in April 2009. "The Hitman" emptied his clip into Jacob Volkmann when "Christmas" rang in the New Year for the injured Rory Markham at the UFC 108: "Evans vs. Silva" event earlier this year. It was a much needed win for the Dane, who saw his title aspirations evaporate at the hands of Paul "Semtex" Daley back at UFC 103: "Franklin vs. Belfort" in September 2009.
In addition to the win over "Natural Born Killer," Kampmann is 13-2 since 2004 and like Shields, has also done time as a middleweight.
He is of course coming off a dominant win over the man that many pegged as a future welterweight title challenger, Paulo Thiago, at UFC 115 last month. A win over the surging Shields would likely vault Martin back to the top of the 170-pound division.
Shields vs. Kampmann at UFC 121: Who ya' got?
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Awesome matchup
I think Kampmann is going to be a rude awakening for Shields…he’s got solid grappling and his stand up is going to cause Shields fits for sure.
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he took Hendo's best shot...a few times
Kampman isn’t going to be anything he hasn’t seen, he’s beaten …oh shit…that black dude from england that punched Kos after the fight…anyways, he’ll beat Kampman fairly easily
Kampman Will Be A Much More Accurate Striker
Then Hendo and has the grappling to avoid being constantly dragged down. Kampman will lose IMO but will really test that chin and mental toughness of Shields. Plus its just 3 rounds. Shields can easily win a decision
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Shields getting him down easily...he'd have to catch him first...
Kamp has endurance, striking, and speed on his side.
Shields has grappling.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Shields Will At Some Point Get Him Down I Am Almost Positive
But Kampman has all the ability to win
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you think he'll get GSP with a win? Or will it need to be an impressive win?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
you guys are forgetting that this is a guy that was EXTEMELY close to losing to Mayhem
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Dana has setted for the lesser of 2 SF WW's...Diaz is who he needs...not stick man Shields
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
But Diaz isn't a free agent right now.
Who says Dana won’t have both in due time?
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he probably will
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I'm really surprised he's not getting an instant title fight
He just beat the No 2 ranked MW in the world (pre-fight ranking) and the UFC is aching for credible fresh meat for GSP. To me, this is bad business cause Shields is on a huge roll and Kampman could very possible stop him in his tracks and essentially nullify the UFC’s biggest acquisition of the year. And even is Sheilds wins, then you’ve knocked Kampman off the contender path and he’s an exciting fighter coming off a big win. The way I see it, the UFC loses something either way and gains very little from this fight in the long run.
Ultimately TUF has cost Shields an instant title fight
He can’t afford to wait until 2011 to face GSP/Kos, as he’d be way too rusty to beat either of them. Jake likes to keep busy and constantly test himself, whilst he deserves the big fights and a title fight would make sense business wise the time frame just doesn’t fit.
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He's probably ready to go now. That would be way too long to wait.
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so they should give him a tune up fight
like they usually do to expose UFC fans to guys from other promos before giving them a title shot. Give him Swick or somebody to chew on while he waits.
Personally, I think this TUF was bad business. We all saw GSP destroy Kos already and since then GSP has improved more than Kos has. They should have waited till they signed Shields and set up that title fight. Plus, I’m afraid GSP might come off as a geek on TUF and lose a lot of fans. He’s one of those hard-working over-achiever hall-monitor types that most people hated in HS. If he wasn’t a fighter, he’d probably be an accountant or a chemistry teacher.
I think they will use this fight to hype Shields
That’s two PPV’s where Joe can talk about his “top notch ground game and underated stand-up”. They probably want to get his name out there to the UFC fans. This is a great way to do that.
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gsp is doing tuff show
with Kos so he can’t fight sheilds right away and why make sheilds wait? Jake really does deserve a shot but if he loses to Martin then Martin deserves a shot. Kampman has a win streak going and very accurate crisp strikes a rare thing in mma. He also can wrestle and control guys on the ground. Jake has NO stand up and will probably get hit a lot in this fight. Thing is accurate strikers are so because they sacrafice power for percision.
he definitely will, with melendez...strikeforce prefers kennedy/noons as their title holders.
dont blame them
kennedy is a beast.
noons…hes beat diaz.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
diaz is also currently suspended on top of not available
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Yeah, people are waying too heavily on the Hendo fight
Hendo did hit him clean, but after that he was trash. He had ZERO TD defense, and just did nothing almost the entire fight. If Kampmann can keep it standing he will win.
They both have floated between MW and WW, so I don’t think size will be a factor.
agreed about the size...BUT...Shields might be at a disadvantage as he'll be cutting a bit more as he's been at MW
Shields is no stranger to BIG fights but not this big…its not for a title but there will be an awful lot of pressure on him that night
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
In the slight event that Koscheck wins....
Does Shields fight Kos for the belt or GSP for the #1 contender??
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Kos for the belt.
Then GSP fights the winner of Alves/Fitch for number one contender. Hopefully.
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wow tough fight to call
the smart money is shields decision,no way he stops martin.kampmanns got to catch him early and keep the pressure on if he wants the w.then i wanna see a k-1 kickboxing exhibition match between shields and fitch :)
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cmon really
I think you guys are nuts. what does Kampman offer that Shields hasn’t seen before? please give me ur reasons guys!
Yeah I agree....
Kampman takes this and Shields drops in the standings.
Shields does gas a little if taken into the third and Kampman can go 5 rounds. I See Kampman out working Shields and out pointing him. We will see Shields putting Kampman in danger at a couple different points in the fight probably…. but Kampman has been there and is quite good on the ground too and knows defense.
Kampman TKO’s Shields in the 3rd.
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lmao hendo couldnt tko him but kampmann can?
its not like hendo didnt hit him with anything clean either, he hit him with that monster right hand in the 1st and shields survived
i hate shields as much as the next guy but you have to be in denial to think kampmann wins
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
That was not the Hendo of old........
He looked aweful against sheild, and I don’t think Kampman wins this fight easily, but it’s definately winnable. Shields has zero stand up………..
O_o
and...shields was BEAT on the ground with a choke by mayhem...the bell has saved shields' career.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
He lost 40 seconds of that fight
All of it was on the ground. I don’t really think he lost the ground war with Mayhem. You guys are slightly exagerating.
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"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
SD refuses to give Shields any credit, he's been rambling about this Mayhem choke for months
Jake will win because Martin lacks the power needed to get a quick KO before the inevitable Shields takedown. Martin’s got very good grappling skills, but Jake’s grappling is on another level, he will control, transition and ground and pound his way to a decision as I don’t see Martin getting caught in a submission but equally I don’t see him getting back to his feet after being taken down.
On a side note I find it hysterical how the consensus #2 MW in the world and the guy that supposedly was going to beat Andy but Dana lied to him and wouldn’t give him a promised title fight is suddenly an old man with no cardio or TDD. What next, will Kampmann be an overrated guy who was handpicked for Jake to win en route to an undeserved title fight that he won’t win?
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I thought that was kind of funny too
Two months ago he should have gotten his title fight with AS. Now he sucks? He’s still a top 5 MW and top 15 LHW. People will discredit anyone if they are trying to discredit Hendo already(I have never liked Decision Dan, but he’s a great fighter).
It’s sick the hatred Jake gets. I don’t like him personally, but he isn’t getting his dues. Not by a long shot.
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It's laughable
At least some people give Jake some credit now, before the Hendo fight Shields threads became unreadable because everyone would take cheap shots at him over every little thing. You’d think that he had never beaten a decent fighter in his life by some of the comments in Shields threads.
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I was super slow at giving him credit
I still think his stand-up is horrible, but he proved to me that he can outwrestle great wrestlers, so I’m sold. I figured Dan would keep it standing and either KO him or win a decision. But if Dan can’t do it, who can? GSP hopefully. LOL
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Lol
GSP is the one guy I see outwrestling Shields, I’ll be interested to see how Jake matches up with the likes of Fitch and Kos. Personally I think that Shields is a better version of Fitch and that Kos will do a Hendo and get carried away looking for the overhand right, making him easier to take down. GSP is better and smarter than those guys so I see him winning with superior striking and grappling, but it’ll be a tough fight for him (for once). Jake’s striking has to get better if he’s going to win the title but his all-round game is a lot better than people are willing to admit.
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One thing is for sure.
There won’t be any more questions about Jake Shields in about 2 years from now. He’s gonna fight some great fighters very soon. We’ll see how he does against the elite today. So far so good for him though.
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"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Exciting times ahead
I’ve been waiting years to see Jake in the UFC, he’s faced and beaten some top class guys but has never been given the props or money that he deserves, nows the time for him to prove himself on the biggest stage. Kampmann will be an excellent test to start with.
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hendo is past his prime, why is this overlooked on hendo only?
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Hendo looked old, cumbersome and predictable
Kampman’s kickboxing is much different then Hendo swinging for the fences. I have Jake, but, I can see Martin pulling it off. Kampman stood with Paul Daley for the most part, Shields wanted no part of that. Kampman has legit standup, I have him with a huge advantage over Jake in that deptment. The ground I have Shields well ahead of Martin. So, if the fight goes as I predict, Jake will eat alot of punches and kicks trying to get the takedown. He absorbs some damage and wins by sub or stoppage in the 2nd round.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Martin stood and got dominated by Semtex, Shields wasn't that stupid and actually applied his strengths to win by submission
Martin has better technical kickboxing than Hendo but lacks the necessary power to finish a guy as tough as Jake and I doubt that he’ll be able to land much of note before he gets taken down.
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I agree
I just see how Kampman can win. I dont see him KOing Jake. I think the only way Marty is able to win is via decision. Jake has more ways to win. Marty’s technical kickboxing, if used correctly can establish distance and octagon control. Im taking Shields, just saying how I see Marty able to win.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I really don’t understand the comment that Shields will gas. He has proven he can go five rounds. When has Kampmann been in a five round fight or shown limitless cardio?
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jul 19, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed Kev, I like Kamp, but just don't see him winning this at all.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
I say he has a better chance than Hendo
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
he looked like Shamrock in there walking around with his right hand cocked for the whole fight
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
shields will take him down and destroy kampmann for 3 rounds
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by Randy for Couture on Jul 19, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and then get his title shot
and get smashed by GSP.
I like Shields but i dont see him beating the top 4.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields will win this via decision as he establishes control and tries to sub K (who will fight him off in a losing effort).
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thank you Mr. I got 1/6 on my last set of picks! LOL...j/k (kinda)
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Hey! Cut me some slack. I was going by styles and I fucked up. This time I am picking the favorites like the rest of you!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
since shields cant seem to finish, it will be shields by decision or kampman by _____
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
mayhem gave him a tough time and had him choked out...Kampman can do the same, but doesnt have what mayhem has in that ability to avoid getting subbed
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
WOW, we all knew this last week
I don’t know why it took so long to become official. If Jake can get GSP to the ground, he can win, but getting it to the ground is the hard part. I’d much rather see Diaz/GSP…oh, I didn’t mention Kampman because Jake will get the takedown and choke him out in the 2nd!
I actually like Jake's chances better as Nick's wrestling isn't good enough yet to compete with GSP
He’s got a very dangerous guard so GSP will have to work a lot on top but ultimately I can see him controlling Nick on the ground for 5 rounds, whilst Jake would be a tougher guy to take down and control so for once GSP would be forced to use his striking. Both fights would be excellent and I actually think that Nick is the better fighter, I just like the way Jake matches up to GSP and I’m not convinced that Nick can deal with high level wrestlers yet especially one as good as GSP.
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Should be good.
I just don’t see how Kamp can win this.
Is this #1 contender fight? Or just for Jake?
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i see shields as a -190 favorite in this fight too.
that means kampmann would be a +150. after watching kampmann dismantle paulo thiago i think he could win too.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, kampman has a real shot to knock shields back down where he belongs(middle of a darn good division)
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
To be fair, wins over Shields, Thiago and Volkmann would put him right up there and he was a fight away from the title before Daley KO'd him
GSP would win easily but I think that Martin will have earnt his shot if he wins this one.
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Agree. This should be the number one contender fight
Alves/Fitch already lost to GSP. New blood or a move to MW for GSP, no need to see GSP/Kos2, GSP/Alves2, GSP/Fitch2.
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Exactly
None of those guys have improved enough since the last GSP fights. At least Kos has beaten some top guys though Alves hasn’t fought since losing to GSP and Fitch has decisioned a bunch of unranked guys, with only Paulo Thiago being in the top 10. Shields and Kampmann would both be more relevant title contenders in my opinion, let the Alves-Fitch winner have one more fight first, or match the winners up with each other.
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Agree
All those rematches are great for challenging those guys abilities, but like I’ve said before I don’t care if Fitch or Kos has improved enough since their last chance at GSP. I want to see GSP being the one challenged, he deserves it. A move to MW needs to happen after the SHields/GSP fight( a little foreshadowing there for you)
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I think this is a good fight, although I agree with everyone and do find Shields a big boring (and his stand up SUCKS haha).
Anyone know if this is going to be the co-main event?? Anyone have any inside news on if Rampage vs Machida is going to make this card?
Think they need at least one more good fight on this card.
Sheilds by
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i just want to see shields stand for 3 minutes to see if hes evolved 1 FUCKING BIT as a mixed martial artist
just 3 minutes goin toe to toe to see if the guy has evolved his game ONE FUCKING BIT….
i bet brock has more technical striking than shields…
just 3 minutes of standing and striking
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yea 3 minutes..not even a whole round...just stand a small bit and throw some punches to see if the guy has even developed any stand up game whatsoever...
most ufc guys who are wrestlers have adapted and learned some type of stand up, i just want to see if this douche has developed any stand up at all
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
grays a wrestler but hes actually stood with a couple guys and showed an attempt at striking
koscheck and shad both have several highlight reel finishes…..brock caved in herrings face and dropped randy…
guida has no problem standing and banging even though hed prefer to be on the ground…
hammill will stand and bang with anyone….
ufc wrestlers for the most part are willing to evolve and add other dimensions to their game and actually learn and become more well rounded…
i just want to see if this guy has devoloped and evolved…
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Your post is fine except for that part about Brock's striking. That shit went poof like a prom date's virginity in the Carwin fight.
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ummmm
brock caved in herrings face and dropped randy…
yea olivia, exactly what in my above statement was wrong? so he DIDNT cave in heath’s face? oh my bad, he caved in his eye socket…and he DIDNT drop randy? yea olivia im still tryna figure out what part of caving in herring’s face and dropping randy that i got wrong
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
he did cave in his face, that is true but he couldn't finish him
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
4 out of his 5 wins have been finishes...thats an 80% finishing rate...pretty fucking good
there arent a lot of fighters who have an 80% finishing rate…
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Your sequence of posts suggests Brock adapting and learning some type of stand up. You cited those as examples. 2 punches. Yes, you are technically correct but no - that ain't stand up. I can hit a jump shot - that don't mean I am signing with the NBA
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hes dropped every fighter in the ufc hes faced with one punch except carwin
his first fight with mir he dropped him with one punch
his fight with herring he sent him into a back flip with one punch
he dropped randy with one punch
for a guy with no striking to have dropped 3 straight opponents with one punch is pretty fucking good
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I can hit a jump shot – that don’t mean I am signing with the NBA
yea but there is a different in hitting jumpshots on kids in your neighborhoods and hitting those jump shots on kobe bryant…
brock lesnar IS in the nba…you arent…see the difference?
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Hella - I see that you missed Brock vs. Carwin. Let me know what you thought of Brock's stand up at that point since we are discussing technical accuracies. And Brock is in the UFC - not the NBA. Its called an analogy, we do it all the time here.
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olivia do you even read or do you just like to type?
as i stated:
brock has dropped everyone hes faced besides carwin in the ufc with one punch…isnt the whole point of striking…to drop someone? whats more effective, spending 5 rounds having great technique like frankie edgar and not finishing anyone….he couldnt finish sherk…couldnt finish bj…all that great strikiing and he went 8 round looking great..whats more effective, a sledgehammer or 25 minutes of pillows?
id rather have one punch dropping power than to be the greatest 5 round pillow puncher
carwin doesnt have the greatest technique…but he hasnt needed it…cause all he needs is one punch to land…
ok heres an anology for you…
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
brock IS in the nba (ufc) and he IS hitting jump shots (one punch knock downs) against nba players (ufc fighters)
your analogy makes no sense whatsoever…
how does comparing you shooting jumpshots in your backyard to brock dropping randy?
now if you equated shooting jumpshots against kobe bryant to brock dropping randy that makes more sense….
cause you would be comparing nba and ufc….jumpshots to knockdowns…thats a better analogy
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Hella i know it was just an example and easy comparison
But comparing a HW’s 300lb one punch power to a small LW’s one punch power (or lack thereof) is silly.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no not really...pudz didnt drop sylvia with one punch...and hes the strongest man in the world..
whats his face (brock’s training partner) is around 255 and he didnt drop shaub with one punch…bob sapp hasnt made a career of dropping people with one punch….bigfoot silva is 265 and he hasnt been running around dropping people with one punch…
pudz DWARFS brock both size wise and strength wise…he should be sending people into the 8th row just buy grazing people…
the whole point of my argument is that wrestlers in the ufc at least put forth an effort…brock has only had 6 fights and he was dropping people in only his 2nd, 3rd, 4th fight EVER…dude has only been training mma for a couple years…imagine once this dude has 15 fights under his belt…
i want to see how shields reacts when hes in there with guys that can stuff his tds…cause the guys hes been beating up on in elite and sf are little fish…
…but we saw what happened when he spent 1 minute on his feet with dan…he doesnt even remember the 1st round…he was knocked silly with one punch…but he was able to take silly dan down with one punch..
i want to see what hes able to do with someone like kos or gsp or fitch who can stuff a td…and when hes forced to stand…and hopefully kampmann will show us how good shields really is…
i mean we know what sonnen’s limits are…dont put him in their with a black belt…cause he’ll get tapped…(maia, babalu, horn, filho)…but anyone else he’ll do pretty good
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
damn that was a long post
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i meant shields was able to take silly dan down at will so we didnt get to see what would happen if shields met a fighter that he couldnt take down at will
cause there was no one in elite or sf that could stop him…cause he NEVER fought a top 10 guy in either org…
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord. Your brain is locked up, dude.
Brock punching Herring and Randy does not make him a striker or having “stand up” just like…
OJR having a jump shot does not make him a basketball player.
There you go. So simple even a Hella can understand or Hella Proof, if you will…
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't know who Olivia is but I think the woman on Law & Order named Olivia is cute. Anyways, I get your point. Brock has good stand up (in your delusion) based on his other fights. Carwin fights suggests you are crazy or forgetful.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
if by "good" you mean "incredible power" then yes
if by “good” you mean “technical brilliant jds boxing” then hell no….
his striking is ugly as hell…but one flush strike from brock is equal to 2 or 3 beautiful strikes from a flashy striker….
but he already has the raw power….you put that guy with a good striking coach for 2 years and he’ll be the scariest human being to ever walk the earth….
so no im not saying brock is a jds or carwin or kongo on his feet….
but you got to think at it like this…herring has been in there with fedor, and the other best fighters in the world…and brock did more damage to him that fedor did…
carwin is the hardest puncher in the ufc..and HE didnt even drop mir with one punch…
randy fought tim sylvia…who weighs in at 257-268 and HE didnt even drop randy in 5 rounds…brock did it in his 4th fight…
carwin is a better striker than brock…but how did that work out for him? who has the belt? how did his “superior” striking work out for him? how did his “brilliant” striking work out for him in the end? how did his 70 or so “superior” strikes work out for him in the end?
he tapped like a bitch
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, look at the mayhem fight and mayhem started dancing for 10 seconds of standing time
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Jake by dominate decision
I see Jake beating Martin easily in his usual way of controlling his opponent from start to finish.
I got Kampmann
Im calling Kampmann on this one with a UD. He has excellent striking and a very underrated ground game. He should be able to stuff the takedowns and land alot of clean crisp strikes. I wouldnt be surprised if he finishes Shields, but I have a feeling Kampann will win via UD
enzo-enormous
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LOL...thats pretty much my reaction as anyone who WATCHED strikeforce and shield's fights knows that the guy is about to get killed in the UFC
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
hendo past his prime is pointed out when it is convenient for bashing SF...fact is the guy beat hendo past his prime, so far that he was no longer in the UFC
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Dont Know Who You Are But I Would Bet My Years Salary
Jake Shields would knock you out
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take that bet ANS.
In a street fight or a boxing match similar to that MTV show? I think with rounds and shit I could beat him. In a street fight he’d outlast me and win from gassing. Jake Shields has the worst stand up in MMA. The worst. But he’s a great fighter. One of the best.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
id love to watch that lol
But you cant be serious
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Shields could knock you out?
I think he’d be like sparring a horrible amateur kickboxer, I’ve done that lots of times without coming close to a KO. I’m dead serious, friend.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Hes one of the best in the world, and fights with TOP guys all the time.
I think his stand-up is weak…….when were comparing it against guys who are professionals, and top heap professionals at that. I would guess, on the streets, Jake, Jon Fitch, Sherk, etc. would knock out most people.
If i was given a nice check and paid medical id get in there with anybody! worse case scenario you have a nice nap.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
When People Say He Has The Worst Stand Up In MMA
its a joke. His stand up is just average and he is fighting elite fighters. He has skills in striking he just has never been able to translate them into his craft and hey theres no rush since his grappling is basically superior to everyone in MMA barring a few guys.
Shields would knock out basically anyone who doesnt train. Thats not saying much since he is a pro mma fighter but you have to remember something about that MTV show. 14 oz gloves, opponent has head gear and really the fact noone has confirmed if its fully real yet.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
real?
i thought it came out it was all fake?
But yes, you made my point!
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I mean ANS
If it’s just sparring with gloves, he won’t KO most people inside the three rounds. I think I could do it. Hook me up with him.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Ive put people on their ass with 14oz gloves but never KO. But what Im saying is when people say stuff like this
“JAKE SHIELD HITTING U SOUNDS LIKE: pitter patter…is it RAINING??? or is that tinkle!?!?? "
Its laughable because Shields would 99.9% put this guy to sleep. Maybe not you Jay…
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
who was the jits guy that got rocked on that show? i forget the guys name..but hes pure jits and he got fucking ROCKED on his feet...i thought he was about to be out
but he came back and tapped the bully out multiple times…but on the stand up the bully rocked him hard…i need to youtube it
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the one fighter got rocked hard and dropped.........
Then he got pissed and head kick ko’d the bully, which is illegal…..lol
O_o
You get a salary?
So you’re under contract?
by The real Philo on Jul 19, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Figuratively...
Like what I make a year is my salary.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
I had read here on mania that you were a pro fighter, and was wondering from your comment if you were under contract. Thanks for clarifying.
by The real Philo on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched the fight with Henderson
I think he knocks very few people out with what he was throwing at Hendo.
That’s the only fight of Jake’s I’ve seen, and I figured he either had very poor power, like a lot of people are saying, or he was affected from the blast Dan hit him with early. I’ll have to see more of his fights before I have much to say about his striking, but it wasn’t impressive in the least in that particular fight.
by The real Philo on Jul 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You won't change you mind with more Shields exposure
You’ve pretty much figured him out with one fight. He can’t strike worth a shit, but he’s one of the best ground fighters in MMA.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
top 3? yea right...he fights sonnen at 185 sonnen works him to death...he fights maia at 185 he gets tapped
gsp will work him at 170…i think kos will outwrestle him…who was the guy that landed that sick armbar? dustin hazlett? i think he would work shields over at 170
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
thats 5 just off the top of my head in the 170 and 185 classes that hes fought in that i think would work him
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by HellaHectic on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Shields he isn't a MW.
Sonnen would probably muscle him to the ground and hump him black and blue, but Sonnen is a good MW ranked second in the world last time I checked. Also GSP is number one in the world. You can believe that Kos would outwrestle him(obvious bias from you)but that doesn’t make Shields a shitty grappler. Your opinion of him alone does not mean all these dudes(most of them a weight class higher than him or World Champions) can beat him. He’s proven very recently he can hang with the best in the world.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
yes im a kos nuthugger of course, but i look at the facts...shields hasnt faced the level of fighters that kos has faced
and there is no way that shields would take kos down at will…
and dont you know that shields trained with kos to get ready for hendo? he purposely sought out kos to help him improve his wrestling to prepare for hendo’s wrestling…he realizes that next to gsp that kos has the best shot than anyone at 170…..
i’m too lazy to google it, but if you google shields interviews before the hendo fight you’ll see him talkin bout training with kos to prepare for hendo…
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
heres a link for when shields is saying that even though he trained with fitch and kos that he'd still fight them
http://mmablips.dailyradar.com/video/part-1-jake-shields-talks-about-henderson-miller/
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say he wasn't buddies with KOS
But what does Shields training with him or thinking he’s a good wrestler mean?
I know Shields hasn’t faced the level of fighters Kos has faced. If you haven’t noticed he’s been fighting for EliteXC and Strikeforce for Fuck Sakes. All the best WW have been in the UFC the whole time. But he has been beating some pretty good MW and a few top contender WW’s. Nothing wrong with a guy that has beaten Okami, Henderson, Condit, Daley, Sakurai, Lawler. That’s outside the UFC. Who else outside the UFC in the last five years has beaten that good of competition?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
okami – no td defense…sonnen proved that by takin him down at will and making him look like an amateur…okami had no answer for sonnen’s tds…and shields still took it to a decision
daley – NO td defense, kos proved that…hes a striker…fish out of water on the ground
lawler – NO td defense, striker only…4 of his 6 losses have been by submission…hes been choked out 3 times…grab his neck hes tapping automatically…fish out of water on the ground…ufc cut him
condit – who the hell has condit beat?? frank trigg? he hasnt beat ANYONE who is a top 10 fighter at 170…hes beaten mid level opponents…and shields layed on him to a decision…
hendo was impressive i admit
…but shields has had 30 fights…30 FIGHTS…and im looking at his sherdog and im like…who the fuck are these guys hes beaten?? hes beaten a FUCKLOAD of nobodies…i dont see any of these guys in the top 20 rankings…they are scrubs
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
okami's biggest claim to fame is being the guy who beat anderson by being kicked in the fucking face..thats what he's famous for..winning by a brutal kick to the face
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
We aren't allowed to say Fedor fights all cans but we can say it about Shields?
He has fought a lot of cans(like I said there isn’t a lot of top flight opponents outside the UFC). But you have to stop discrediting the man just because he had to take these good MW’s to decisions. He beat them.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
the pitter patter pillow can/is said about Nick Diaz (and nate)
their punches look weak and meaningless but they do damage!
then again Shields might just be weak and meaningless lol
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about going to ufc 121, but I refuse to drive anywhere to see jake shields.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
haha
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by enzo-enormous on Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
truth
Lesson: never fire someone and then ask them to finish the day out.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
I was thinking that too. Good point, armbarbandit.
Words to live by.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Hey every1 I’m a little new to mma. I hear all this talk about Shields and how good he is and whatnot. Then talk about how SF is like the minor leagues compared to the UFC. But can any1 tell me who the last fighter from SF came over to the UFC and made a name for himself by winning fights
Das Butcher
by Das Butcher on Jul 19, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They haven't been an MMA promotion for long enough
Plus they don’t really sign a lot of young talent. They are still in the “signing former TUFers and UFC washouts” phase.
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"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Hey jay if u were replying to my post thanks for the info. I live in this little rural town in Montana and I usually am workin when big fights r going on. We don’t get a lot of coverage around here and its hard to pay for the ppv around here cause we don’t make a lot of money around here so thanks again
Das Butcher
by Das Butcher on Jul 19, 2010 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Philo if ur askin the montana guy its a definate no. Its more like counting magpies around here. But on a more serious note I’m more of a metal head than anything.
Das Butcher
by Das Butcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bahah
He did say " around here " 3 times … Nice catch.
opps
4 times if you count his 2nd post. good stuff
Schools out 4 the summer
Didn’t kno this was english class I ll try and do beder nx time
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by Das Butcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't making fun of your spelling or grammar.
But you did say ‘around here’ a few times. That is the name of one of their popular songs. Maniacs are weird sometimes. It was funny(what he said) if you think about it.
Welcome to MMA Mania.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Counting crows
The bands name that sang the song. It’s all good Das Butcher
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
god their debut album is one of the greatest debut albums of all time
and round here is the best song on the album…great fucking album, seen them bout 3 times in concert…their later shit sucked but that first album was fucking badass
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That's hilarious
I was driving my wifes van the other day and that CD was in the player. I decided to listen to it instead of changing all her shit around, I thought the same thing you just typed. That was a great song and that album was pretty good, the rest of the garbage they did was forgettable.lol.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
man im goin to dl that album right now..forgot how much dope shit was on there...have no idea where my cd is in this apt...
that was a HELL of a debut…the 2nd album was ok…had “a long december” on it, and a couple good songs….but that was it…wasnt a good overall album….that first one though…man it was the shit
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by HellaHectic on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Guys
Don’t mean to get off on a bad bead with u folks. Been readin ur all posts for a little while b4 I joined up so I kinda kno how things go around here I m just a bit of a hick if u all kno what that is. Anyway screw shields for now I got silva ko in sonnen in the 1st round
Das Butcher
by Das Butcher on Jul 20, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Phil Baroni and Paul Buentello
Seriously it’s been a while since the UFC signed some top level talent, not since the Affliction implosion have they signed such a quality free agent. This is the first time that a top SF fighter has left the promotion (Guida was probabaly the biggest name to go from SF to the UFC before then) and I think they’ve made a very bad mistake in allowing Jake to leave, along with Nick and Gil he was one of the top guys in that promotion and outside of the UFC.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
Thanks
Hey David I’ve heard of both those guys and have seen phil on some highlight tapes. But r either 1 of them still in the Ufc? Thought I read something about Paul fighting Timmy silvia in some backwater fight league soon
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by Das Butcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Phil Baroni is somehow still in the UFC, I think he fights in August?
And Paul Buentello fights Tim Sylvia just as you said. Not sure when or under which promotion.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Here you go --> http://www.mmamania.com/2010/7/16/1573651/tim-sylvia-vs-paul-buentello-war
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
World Title huh?
Thought so jay thanks for the back up on the info.. TiMmy use to b a badass what happend?
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by Das Butcher on Jul 20, 2010 2:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey Y aLl
Glad I could resorect some memorries for all u. Diont mind the spellin rite now its my weekend ben boozin and fightin u all r cool as heLl for replyin. I got Timmy winnin by ko sooner rather then later.
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