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UFC 116 PPV buys trending toward 1.3 million

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So, apparently this Brock Lesnar character is pretty popular. Say what you want about the guy, but at this point, two items are inarguable: He can fight, and people love to watch him fight.

Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer (via Bloody Elbow) reports on UFC 116's pay-per-view buy rate:

The latest numbers for UFC 116 seem to be reporting higher. As we figured, there appear to have been a ton of replay order buys based on all the talk about the show, including all the mainstream news show coverage after the event. Various cable estimates have ranged from 1 million to 1.28 million, and as noted, internally it is being said it's the third biggest in history, which would be a lot closer to the former number than the latter number.

At the very least Brock Lesnar generated 1 million PPV buys almost entirely buy himself. His opponent on the night of July 3, Shane Carwin, did little to no promoting of this fight, purposely mind you. And the rest of the card, while it surely delivered in every way, was filled with names not known to casual fans. 

With Brock set to defend his title against undefeated challenger Cain Velasquez at UFC 121 on October 23 in Anaheim, California, rest assured that the UFC will hit the 1 million PPV buy mark at least one more time this year. Going forward, it appears as though Lesnar is good for no less than that.

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Lesnar is good for no less than that

Until he loses anyway.

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

really dude?

Comon man, he was a whisker away from losing to Carwin. You don’t think that could happen again?

by QuickJack on Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won't be fighting Carwin again for a long time

And nobody else hits like Shane

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet he fights him again in late 2011 or early 2012

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Carwin earns the right to fight him again.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

true...that's what I'm assuming...I think best case scenario for Shane is that he's one win away. Worst case, 2 wins away. He's 36 and Dana wants to cash in before its too late

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

they can allow a Carwin rematch due to "controversial ending"

After 1-2 more wins.

GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo

by daniel worby on Jul 19, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's nothing controversial about getting choked out holmes =P

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing controversial about tapping out to ankle lock either.

Right?

Do not. I repeat, do not, go to mma-core.com. I made the mistake of watching a couple UFC 108 bouts on there and I am still trying to get all the viruses of my computer. Ridiculous! You've been warned.

by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jul 19, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Questionable stoppage in that fight

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope not at all

But, Why are we even talking about that?

Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!

by ShaiZ on Jul 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you Quick. Props to Brock for the win and all but I dont classify someone getting their butt dismantled for nearly 5 full minutes as someone who can fight. Winning a fight because your opponent got tired from punching you in the face repeatedly?……C’mon Son!

by Charlie Loops on Jul 19, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

?? He hit Brock with 6 or seven shots LOL

 Did you not see that Brock was blocking most of the shots? Pounded and was smileying going into the second? More like good blocked shots, good ching, good heart and endurance is why the better man won.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if you WON'T give a wrastler any credit no matter what.

After the Mir win it was “it’s 1-1 now, I wonder who would win the third fight”
After the Couture win it was “He hit him behind the ear and Randy’s old”

Blah Blah Blah.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's never happened before right?

I guess we’re gonna have to go back through the whole history of the sport and start discrediting anyone that had a comeback win. This is gonna be a lot of work so we’re gonna need help deciding which wins matter and which ones don’t.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then You Arent A True Believer Into What MMA Is About

I have seen guys beaten for 14 and a half minutes or 24 and a half minutes and then come back and win. I have seen guys in deep deep chokes pop out and win. I have seen guys rocked, buckled and dropped only to get right up and win. MMA is so fun because its unpredictable.

Did Brock get whooped for 5 minutes? Yeah, did he show the heart of a champ, bounce up start the second round and finish the fight? Also Yes. He won the fight, and he won decisively.

by AintNoSunshine on Jul 19, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

I’ll be honest and admit I chose Carwin by stoppage in the 1st due to the fact I thought Brock would take a glancing blast from Carwin, turtle up and have the fight stopped on him. 1st off I thought Rosenthal did an amazing job by not jumping in and 2nd Lesnar took everything Carwin had and got up. Then in the 2nd he took him down and finished him with no trouble at all.

I think Lesnar hammers Cain (stoppage before the championship rounds) and wins the match against Nelson/JDS after. Carwin will more than likely win his way to another shot and Brock will beat him again. I am a believer at this point and think Brock holds that belt AT LEAST for 5-6 more title defenses.

I have been watching MMA for 16 years and it is the best sport on the planet! Most of the people that post in these forums make me furious on a daily basis by being a-holes or just dumb as hell... then I look around and realize ahhhh I'm at home and am just as guilty as all of you idiots.

by soulkick on Jul 20, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

One loss won't damage his selling power.

He already has an L on his record. A comeback fight could possibly even do the most business. Now if he loses 3 out of 4 on the other hand, that’s a different story. But something tells me that won’t be happening anytime soon, if ever.

http://twitter.com/James_Kimball

by James Kimball on Jul 19, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

has fedor had a main event ppv in the united states yet? if he did what was his ppv buys?

lesnar rules in the octagon and the ppv world. he will have every chance in the world and every benefit of the doubt to beat velasquez or any other opponent. that is a tall hill for anybody to beat him. i feel mr velasquez pain but my wallet will get fatter. please bet on cain. thank you.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know one thing about that fihgt. it was moved form the thomas and mack center(in las vegas) to cali....

because ticket sales were slow. i actually bought a pair but the show was cancelled for lack of interest. they did refund the money very fast. i’ll give them that. i’ll bet fedor’s numbers were at best 200,000 – 250,000?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Affliction did about 250,000 buys

That’s both shows combined. They never really figured out how many buys they did. Most estimates were as low as 85,000 per show.

Affliction was horrible and nobody cared to see Fedor.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

250 combined? wow

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe lower

I don’t remember them releasing the numbers publicly. With the contracts Tom was paying out they are lucky the third show didn’t air. If you don’t count the lawsuits from Fedor, that one might still cost them.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and nobody will care to watch him fight werdum again. i won't.

i would watch fedor vs overeem though. m-1 global and fedor will have to swallow some serious pride if we ever see him in the ufc. i don’t see that happening.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem here is.

that the UFC (Dana) is promoting celebrities not sportsmen and Fedor has no interest of being the new MMA star in hollywood. Fedor vs Werdum is a good fight regardless of how many ppl will tune in to watch it..

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest UFC draws are who?

Brock? Chuck Liddell? Tito Ortiz? BJ Penn? Rampage? GSP?

the UFC (Dana) is promoting celebrities not sportsmen

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would say rampage kinda failed considering his a-team movie did 40%

of what the karate kid did. i don’t even think they broke even with the 110 million dolar price tag. i know randy is in some movie coming up but besides those two can you name me some of the others? liddell on entourage does not count. i’m talking big time movies?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's this hollywood shit he's talking about?

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

were talking MMA not Hollywood

Rampage/Evans did great!

Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy

by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree. i was just answering the guy above me about ufc promoting

celebrities? i really don’t think fedor would be that popular in a russian movie.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, brock lesnar didn’t get his title shot in his 3 ufc fight for nothing…

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus kimbo was cut after his pathetic showing vs mittrione

i even kinda pulled for kimbo but if you can’t beat the meathead you deserved to be cut. if dana was really promoting celebrities he would have kept slice and gotten him a movie deal correct?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

being infamous is different than being a celebrity

how do you compare george clooney to kimbo slice? are reality tv stars celebrities? i don’t even like the word. just like i don’t give a zhit abpout royalty. btw. cnn has an interesting article on the brutality of mma and of course they mentioned those two guys deaths. neither have which happened in the ufc. dana is right about one thing. most people like a good fight.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad thing is

those tools on jersey shore are now big time celebrities, it’s a fact. they are making 10’s of thousands of dollars on appearances, on strike because they want more than there 10k per episode contract and are on all the red carpets. It’s sad, but “celebrity” isn’t like it was when we were kids (those of us in our mid 30’s). there were no reality shows or internet so BIG TIME MOVIE STARS were the only celebrities!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, Kevin.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes - it is the flip side to the benefits of the internet. Talentless people can attain "celebrity".

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck all of you, Snookie is a very classy and talented lady.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't even fuck her

well I would, but she’s not even cute!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol my thoughts exactly

Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy

by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take a double dose of penicillin first, but yeah.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

she could give me oral all day just to shut her up.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you wolf. I hate the word being applied to Kimbo or any MTV personality for that matter. I will check the CNN story, thanks.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

jersey shore is an awesome show.

the realest show on tv! it’s hilarious.. but you know the whole world is getting commercialized, all sports and everything we watch, sadly enough these bosses and presidents of sports organizations start taking advantage of that only to make money and in 10 yrs it will probably be hell around the world with the direction we’re moving in, sports will no longer exist, everything will be rigged like an mtv show for people to be entertained.

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s why i have a major problem with the way they operate in the UFC, the matchmaking and everything is just so perfect for them to set everything up just to make nice paydays.. performing as a fighter is not as important as being a “celebrity” making good music is not as important as being a celebrity..

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that Roberto, well not the part about Jersey Shore being an awesome show but..

They should set the fight schedule up so that a fight means something. there should be rankings that are followed or something. They set too many fights up to appease the casuals.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, good man.

we share the same opinion.

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

EliteXC was the first one to jump on Kimbo and made him into an "mma name’ so why not shit on ProElite?

Dream is much worse at promoting celebrity over sport, fucking Jose Canseco man.

It seems like you should be attacking these orgs first as they are much prolific in doing this.

Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!

by ShaiZ on Jul 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you equate lesnars wwe wrestling status as a celebrity?

i think only little kids would say lesnar was a celebrity. i don’t watch wrastling so i really don’t know. kimbo was infamous and did not lesnar play the heel most of the time? what movie has lesnar been in anyway.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i havent watched wrestling in almost 20 yrs

and I knew who brock was, everything about brock and what he’s gotten from UFC has been due to celebrity!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

brock is 33 so you knew what brock was doing at 13

congratulations.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

Im saying I never watched Brock in the WWE, but I knew him. Is ur reply serious? if so it shows how ignorant you really are and maybe we should take ur comments a little less serious!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm yanking your chain and your getting all upset.

soo many people are soo sensitive on this blog. anyway, anything to increase the post count of anything brock while that chubby russian guy waits another 8 months to fight werdum. lol.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't sound like it, my bad

I’m not sensitiver at all, but ur comment seemed legit and was totally stupid…my bad bro!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did you know of Brock if you didn't watch wrestling

I hadn’t heard of him at all from wrestling

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just did

word of mouth, pictures on magazines in grocery store etc. If my son flipped to wrestling and I got a 30 second glance, it was enough to remember who he was

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

see i was right. your son was interested and you noticed him

your son thinks he is a celebrity (and kids think that way) but that does not mean an adult male has to think that way. grow up just a little. thanx.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

my son couldn't pick Brock Lesner out of a line up

I showed him the weigh ins, he had no clue. he’s 8 now, and I’m talking yrs ago when he was tiny and flipping through channels

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guy was young enough to watch wrestling when Brock was on it

But I hadn’t heard of him until he told me one of his WWF guys is gonna start fighting for real, that was the first time I’d heard of him.

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhm

So it’s all Dana?
So M-1’s ridiculous co-promotion stipulation has nothing to do with it?

I don’t blame Fedor for not being in the UFC, I only blame him for being too trusting of the shysters at M1 who are only looking out for their own interests.

Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!

by ShaiZ on Jul 19, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me know when I mentioned DW in my post. I will be waiting for your reply.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I was fairly certain I responded to Roberto complaining bout Kimbo in the UFC and promoting “celebrities”

If it was to you by accident I apologize, this thread is getting long and unwieldy.
;X

Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!

by ShaiZ on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries, man.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You replied to Roberto. OJR press 'up'.

HAHA

"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.

"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.

by jay. on Jul 20, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dependes on the loss...

Personally, I don’t se it, but if Cain or JDS tools him, his selling powere will definitely be reduced. If he gets caught in a sub again, it won’t be as bad.

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shook off punches from the guy who was thought to be the hardest puncher in the UFC and won.

Why do you not think that he can winn every one of his fights just based upon sheer size and wrestling?

Stop hating.

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think OJ secretly admires The Brock but can't publicly voice his support as his family is being held hostage by ABM

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 not a brock fan but you got to give the guy props.

by NateDogg77 on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think being the first and only man to survive a beating and 1st round with Carwin

and subbing him is “overall” impressive.

I get what youre saying tho, but NOONE has looked that “impressive” against Carwin.

Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy

by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walking away used to be impressive against Carwin, then came Brock...

Can we measure success based upon trivialities?

As a Brock fan, I see a guy steeped in adversity against his stiffest test to date, take the best that his opponent had to offer by weathering the storm and get back to his feet before that round was over. Then, he subsequently manhandled him to victory. No one had gotten out of the first round against Carwin. No one weathered any kind of storm against Carwin. No one got up. I see that as a huge step regardless of the in between.

The Brock haters see Brock run away and turtle and blame Carwin’s conditioning on his horrible showing in the second round. Or, that Carwin was never really tested, or fought anyone of consequence, so Brock proved nothing by tapping out a spent, ill-conditioned fighter.

Either way, it was a positive step for Brock, becasue he won, and was a valuable learning lesson that provides experience against his next foe. It is also a positive for MMA because millions saw the fight, and the rest of the card, and these millions now understand more about our beloved sport and the finer aspects of what it takes to be at the pinnacle (Brock), how taking chances can lead to bigger rewards (Leben), and how two relatively evenly matched fighters can provice spectacular entertainment (Brown/Lytle and Soz/Bonnar).

Regardless of whether you like Brock or not, you have to like how he is helping the sport.

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post Ulf.

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post but Brock turtled up and showed zero striking. That is not a "hater's POV" - that's just a fact.

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by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a fact.

But he didn’t fall asleep like the 12 guys before him. That is what is impressive.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I posted before, his survival was impressive.

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by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure his gameplan involved staying out of range of Carwin’s bombs, but did not involve looking like a frightened child in the process. Still, he will work tirelessly on his weakness (striking and striking defense) and be significantly better against Cain than he was against Carwin.

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by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ulf, you might as well ask me to stop liking ass. I will never stop hating Brock. :)

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by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with OJR on both comments

I was impressed by Brock’s perseverance and ability to stay alive. The sub was impressive too, doesn’t mean I gotta like him or be a fan!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not asking for either, but why hate?

(he says while hoping no one remembers that I have professed my undying hatred of BJ Penn).

Maybe I need to take my own advice.

by Ulf Murphy on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why hate???? Well Ulf for the same reason you hate on FEDOR

pretty easy to see IMO.

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

photographic evidence of the blackmail

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could see it. Work blocks everything.

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by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has your name written allllllll over it

literally

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That damned smart ass, OD. *looking for sniper rifle*

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by OJR on Jul 19, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, this was really in bad taste but it's funny nonetheless.

I’d prefer though that you go back to pictures of fine woman with big asses.

by BrockRocks on Jul 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give a lot of the credit to the match-up and word of mouth post-fight...Brock sells tickets but that match-up was even and involved 2 HUGE guys...

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Jul 19, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They probably did a lot of these buys from replays

This was a really great card.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was Jay

I put that in my fanpost because it’s very important towards how it (Brock) impacted mma. at first they thought they sold 700k, then word of mouth and espn coverage hit, and the replays started getting bought

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

With this being a BAD card....

I give Brock credit for the rumored 700,000 initial buys. With the fights turning out to be so good the replay buys have pushed it really high…thats not all on Brock though.

Good for Brock and the UFC. He is a big, big draw for the company. Nobody can argue that.

Now about his “ability to fight”…that can still be challenged.

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by StrikerDave on Jul 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree and disagree Dave

the card was amazing, but the talk on the “streets” and ESPN was Brock surviving etc. I hate to give Brock so much credit as he never really “earned his stripes,” but the word of mouth was due to Brock, not the card. In my opinion!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I've never seen a Brock Mania thread with less than 100 comments

Some men are alive simpley because it is against the law to kill them

by Icefish on Jul 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you please respond to my comment in the "taking on the ufc" thread

interested in your response
thanks

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by Newfie3 on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok newfie3.

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember carwin said "Brock is one tough SOB" velasquez and junior dos snatos will find that out.

expect a much better lesnar too because he was out for a year and any human would have some jitters for there first fight in a year. look at akiyama, liddell, rampage and cote of late. they all lost their fights for being out a year. if anything brock should be given even more credit. if carwin could not finish him how is velasquez going to finish an improved lesnar while cain will be out a little more than 8 months.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

improved my ass, the man is 31. maybe he’ll come inte the fight in better shape but all the improvement talk is a bunch of crap, u could say the same for all fighters but at the end of the day they are who they are. I don’t get the how will Velasquez finish Brock question? how is Brock going to finish Cain? it can go either way.

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

By putting him on his back and turning his face into gravy.

That’s exactly how Brock can stop Cain. What is Cain gonna do?

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

a young and learning 33 years old. only 6 fights under his belt and other than carwin fight not much punishment to him.

look i respect cain velasquez but the size difference will be 30 pounds or more. i’m very sure that lesnar will go for an immediate takedown. i can see velasquez stuffing a few but he won’t stop every takedown and it just takes one for lesnar to get on top and it’s over. if he can take 50 plus power puches and elbows from carwin how is cain going to hurt him. i’ll bet lesnar will be extremely confident while when velasquez is standing right next to lesnar he will feel kinda small. the fight game is mostly mental and i see lesnar mentally stronger than cain. especially after that victory. you take the best shots by the guy they considered throwing the hardest shots you will think to yourself nobody can really hurt me standing up.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is one of the least experienced 31 year olds in mma

he will still be improving 3 years from now.

I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...

by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wolf, youre killing me...Cain, JDS, and Shane haven't peaked yet, they will get better

as Brock gets better. So what Brock came back from a long layoff, so did 40 something Couture when he beat Tim Silvia. Also you can’t compare Liddell’s or Rampage’s rust to Brocks as they fight in a much tougher division.

The HW division only recently got stiffer because most of the HW’s ex champs are gone ( Couture, Silvia, AA ) and what is left are a bunch of guys who are starting to come into their own at the same time meaning Cain, Shane, JDS.

Cain will be well prepared, he doesn’t have any suspect training partners or suspect training habits. This man’s pace is the best at HW and now Brock will get to see what that is like from a guy who won’t gas in the first round.

If Brock can get pass Cain, JDS, and Carwin on the rematch, then and only then will I consider him a truly skilled martial artists and not a celebrity who happens to be a martial artist. WORD IS BOND!!!

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only truly skilled martial artists beat guys in the top 5 five fights in a row?

That must be a very small club.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the point has already been made Jay

Lesnar didn’t earn his stripes in that he was given an opportunity that no one else was given because of his drawing power mostly and his skill level second.

You can’t argue with any validity that some other young wrestler with a great wrestling base wouldn’t have done the same thing if they were given the same opportunity.

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I figure it

If Brock was unworthy he’d have lost, not only has he won the belt, he’s defended it. He’s a champ imo.

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

OD......Not taking away from the facts, Brock is champ and has defended it

I am talking more about the path he was “gifted” in order to be there….which is also a fact.

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you could've given that shot to 100 other people, fast tracked them to the title

And watched them all fail; Brock’s a rare human being, 3 fights into a professional fighting carreer and he wins a title. You can look at it as him being favoured or spoon fed if you want, but I see it as being pretty damn impressive.

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you could have given Cain, Shane,or Carwin the same 6 fights

and the records would be similiar…..5-1

I could see the Big three beat Kim Soo whatever
I could see the Big three beat Heath Hearing easily
I could see the Big three beating Couture easily
I could see the Big three beating Mir
I could see the Two of the Big three splitting with Carwin

Again, I agree Brock is a warrior, he proved it against Carwin I am not completely impressed with his game or how he got there IMO

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that one

Give Cain, Shane or JDS a fight with Couture in their 4th MMA match and maybe Shane takes him out similiar to how Brock was able to; JDS and Cain get decisioned easily imo.

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats cool OD..... I guess we will never know

I don’t think it is too far fetched to see Randy get beat by JDS or Cain in their 4th fight.

1) Randy has usually had trouble with bigger wrestlers and Cain would qualify for that. Cain’s strength is underrated Randy couldn’t tire him out against the fence.

2) Randy strikes to set up his clinch and JDS I believe since he is training with the NOG brothers would have him prepared for that. Randy will trade like he did with both Lesnar and Big Nog and I like JDS in that exchange.

IMO

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock could have stayed in Japan or gone to small promotions in the US and beaten up cans every 6 weeks and run his record up to 8-0 before coming to the UFC. Those fights would not have tested him, nor would they have made him a better fighter. Would they somehow have made him a more worthy champion just by virtue of having lots of them?

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by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proof will come with time

None of those other guys will beat Shane.

He was fast-tracked but for better reasons than his fame.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

they get about 1/2

cable/satellite providers get other half or maybe closer to 60%, then the UFC takes their cut (40-50%) and has to give Brock his % (probably under 5%).
your welcome!

by kevjack115 on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty more $$$$$$$ where That came from.

Each title fight will be main event,and there will be a few.Cain will lose,followed by in my reckoning his biggest threat JDS.Then maybe a re-match against possibly Mir or Carwin depending on how they do in future fights.Even if he loses,any fight against maybe Nog,Big Country or Gonzaga will probably be headliner.Even at co-main,ppv will sell well followed by re-play buys and the dvd sales.

End of the day, Brock = $$$$,and that can only be a good thing for this sport.

by tap or snap bons on Jul 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

dead on.

I mean look at Strikeforce. They know Lashley and Batista will be a money maker. You start to wonder where do you draw the line between making money and having legit MMA talent.

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by DJ Pullout on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You stop at Lashley vs Batista.....

Its one thing having former pro wrestlers with legit wrestling credentials but that is a freakshow

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by Icefish on Jul 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lashley actually does have legit wrestling credentials. He’s just fighting cans and now freakshows apparently.

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by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I know it.

Thats my point. I personally dont like it when MMA promotions do this. I dont even like Brock in there but the UFC sees a cash cow. Strikeforce is taking it up a notch with Lashley and Batista. My opinion is its all retarded…. I mean if they are going that way I want to see like the Undertaker fight Kurt Angle or something. lol.

I would rather have Pro MMA guys that have been doing this their entire lives compete in MMA and pro wrestlers stick with pro wrestling.

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by DJ Pullout on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't let the pro wrestling fool you...

Brock is a legit combat athlete. So what if he did acting on the side. Pro wrestling is just acting. Does that make guys like Rampage, Randy, Cung, among others, less legit because they did some acting? Brock was an athlete first, performer second.

There aren’t many guys that have been doing MMA “their whole lives”. Majority of fighters are still high-level in one art (wrestling, BJJ, etc.), and then cross-train once they start competing in MMA. Don’t be mad at Brock that he’s picking up MMA faster than most people do.

I know that people think it’s just wrestling fans that drive up the PPV numbers, but it’s not. There’s also a huge number of viewers that tune in to watch Brock get his ass whooped. And for that Brock, Dana, the UFC, Zuffa, and their wallets and back accounts, all thank them.

by Patrick Daryl on Jul 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock and Lashley both have fantastic and legitimate backgrounds as VERY good amateur wrestlers.

Batista in the same sentence is laughable.

Oh and btw as far as Kurt Angle goes, if he were to have transitioned into MMA initially/early on instead of making millions in WWF/E, he would have been the most successful and accomplished transition ever. That guy brings a level of skill, athleticism, heart, intensity, and utter toughness that is unknown by most.

Kurt Angle 10 years ago, would have ruled the UFC and been the LHW/HW (whichever he chose) champ.

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. He is Your Olympic Hero. And he would have been a role model for the children with the 3 I’s — intensity, integrity and intelligence. Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.

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by P-Dub on Jul 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

dont forget about the milk

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 19, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be rooting for Brock if ge was fighting any1 other than Cain.

Brocks the man on PPV’s no doubt! His next PPv will be huge if they get another big fight on there. I’m going either way so PPv’s don’t bother me 2 much.

by d*locc on Jul 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

WTF??????

Why on the UFC website is Gerard Gordeau still listed as a heavy weight fighter in the UFC?

That is so random! He only competed in UFC 1 right? And never returned?

He was the man back then. Remember that side kick he did to that Sumo Wrestlers face? lol. You can prob youtube it.

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by DJ Pullout on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Big Event, Big Bucks

Not too surprised by this, it was a ridiculously entertaining fight to watch. I do hope Brock loses again though, get rid of this “invulnerable” aura he’s got going.

by MBeamer32 on Jul 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s pretty stupid how some people have mentioned that because Carwin is the UFC’s hardest hitter, and he didn’t k.o. Lesnar, that Lesnar won’t get KOd by Velasquez or Dos Santos. I gotta admit, I’m a Cain fan, and if he improves like he from when he fought Kongo to when he fought Nogueira, I think Cain Velasquez can no doubt knock Lesnar out. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s not impossible either. Yeah Carwin has power, but if you guys saw the Noguiera/Velasquez fight, you saw how crisp and clean Velasquez combos were. And let’s not forget a very important factor, Velasquez has freakishly good cardio for a HW (Iike Brock too). Had Carwin not completely gassed himself out, or if he had better cardio, who knows, maybe there could have been a different Champ.

by MMAandSoccer on Jul 19, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking good against Big Nog in '10 isn't impressive.

And Cain’s speed and “crisp boxing” won’t mean anything because he will have to keep this fight on the feet to use any of that. What about Cain has shown HE can take a punch?

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got rocked by Kongo 3 times, recovered and beat his ass =P

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went from this

To this

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

DROPPED three times being the key point here

People are ragging on Brock for getting dropped by Shane once, Cain was dropped EVERY time Kongo touched him. No chin Cain.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh? No Chin??

If he had no chin he’d have been out from some shots like those .

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Kongo doesn't have KO power and he made Cain go limp everytime he went near him.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got 12 UFC fights, 8 wins in the UFC of the 8 wins 6 are TKO/KO's.

He definatley has stopping power when he lets the hands go.

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whom did he stop?

He’s never won a fight that mattered.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It mattered to him =P

Besides, you can’t sit here praising Brock for getting dropped and beat on then coming back and winning; then bash Cain for getting rocked 3 times and coming back and winning.

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2

No doubt O damn NOG has done this many times in his career as has Gracie but when they do it it’s praise on their toughness and heart but when Brock does it the haters only talk about could of should of and give no praise? Hypocrites.

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by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Puck.....I believe I owe you an apology sir

I trolled you when you weren’t really the guy I was after…….I disagree and agree with you off and on but you have always been cool…..let the record show I strike my last comment to you on the Brock/Fedor stupidty…..

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need Warrior I don't hold grudges, we are all fans of MMA

 And fans of different fighters, sometimes getting in a heated debate will cause some emotions to come out but thats what being a fans is all about.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So be it! Game on!

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock wasn't dropped.

He turtled up and laid down. Kongo landed bombs on Cain’s chin while Cain was coming forward.

the beauty is in the attempt !

by RoBerto. on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock wanted the fight on the ground

 And he got it.

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by Puck Head on Jul 20, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting dropped and beat on by Carwin is not comparable to getting dropped everytime Kongo touched you.

It just isn’t.

Let’s see Cain(or anyone for that matter) take the beating Shane dished out and get up to win. It hasn’t happened and it won’t happen.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol well for a Brock fan

You’re doing quite a bit to descredit his next opponent; actually I see the light now Jay, Cain ain’t shit meaning when Brock beats him it don’t mean shit =P

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't discredit Cain

He’s top 6 HW probably. But there is a huge gap between Carwin, Brock, Fedor, JDS’s of the world and the Cain, Mir’s, Nog, Werdum’s of the world.

I know you will say “but Werdum just beat Fedor” that was luck and wouldn’t happen more than 2 times out of 10.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

which breaks down to 1 out of 5

=P

Yo, God. I know you're creating the world and I'ma let you finish but Sega made one of the best Genesis of all time.

by O damn he got caught on Jul 19, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Jay, you know that all those shots didn't land

and even your hero himself said that as he continued to punch he could feel the impact lessen and lessen.

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They probably got as weak as a fresh Cain shot.

If any of those shots lands on anyone else(history has shown this) people go to sleep. Just saying.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until you have taken a fresh Cain shot how would you know

Cain hasn’t had to use his striking to win much like how Chuck never really used his wrestling when he was winning, however when Cain did use his hands to strike we saw what is possible when he fought NOG.

I am not so sure Cain is as underwhelming as people are making him out to be. IMO

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by WarriorSaint on Jul 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We shall see.

But Chuck did use his wrestling A LOT when he was at the top. How do you think he was keeping all those grapplers off him long enough for the KO?

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Warrior, I'm not saying Brock can't be beat and Cain has the ability to win

 I believe Carwin is the second best and against Brock I would say 60/40 Brock wins with Cain it would be more like 65/35 for Brock. Cain is a top five opponent and I would love to see him and Carwin go at it I would give Carwin the edge at 55/45.

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by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awesome and all

But just because Brock promoted more than Shane doesn’t give you a magic formula to say “At the very least Brock Lesnar generated 1 million PPV buys almost entirely buy himself.” Maybe half of those bought to watch get KTFO. We don’t know. Most casual fans saw the previews on UFC and bought the PPV. That’s who drives these sales. Hardcore fans buy everything. Affliction. Extreme Southwest Midget Cagefights. Everything. Casual fans didn’t buy more PPV’s because Brock did mor promoting. Lets see how many PPV buys he gets against Cain. Carwin was the everyman coming in with big power. That sells PPV’s. I would argue the matchup with Cain is far less marketable to casual fans. We shall see…

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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jul 19, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Spike

Saw the previews on Spike.

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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jul 19, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damnit

More. Not mor. I am my own Grammar Police.

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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jul 19, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that Plain Shane may have had something to do with the great numbers?

Please don’t say yes.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shane's parents may have watched it to see their son

But nobody was buying this PPV because they can’t miss a Shane Carwin fight.

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by jay. on Jul 19, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carwins power is a big draw too no doubt fend. Many fans that don't watch every UFC watch KO artist when the do

 And Carwin is the best KO artist in the HW division.

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by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny...

It’s funny how you guys bashing my comments don’t read correctly. “if he improves like he from when he fought Kongo to when he fought Nogueira, I think Cain Velasquez can no doubt knock Lesnar out…” Key word….IMPROVE. To jump levels like that from one fight to the next is pretty impressive. That shows that Cain is a quick learner, and is one of the reasons why people are giving Cain a chance. I’m not stupid, I’m not gonna go out and say that no matter what Cain will win, but he has a decent chance. And Cain has arguably better wrestling than Carwin.

by MMAandSoccer on Jul 19, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The question you have to answer did he improve against NOG are have a better gameplan than NOG did?

 Yes he KO him out but it was a pushing forward and both threw a punch were Cains landed cleanly, that doesn’t mean he improved he just proved he can KO a fighter with one punch. Will he be able to throw that same punch against Brock? I doubt it becasue with his momentum moving forward like that makes for a easy takedown against any decent grappler. NOG was also more prepaired for Cain taking him down than he was in Cain standing and striking. All in all yes Cain looked better on the feet but that doen’t mean he will be able to go out and KO anyone becasue of one fight.

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by Puck Head on Jul 19, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did improve

Oh he IS able to knock out anyone, in fact many fighters can, it’s just a matter of will they. Yeah Brock has great wrestling, but Cain isn’t exactly a low caliber wrestler. He’s gonna be able to stuff some of those take downs, though not all of them. Don’ you think Brock was preparing for Carwin on the feet? Bu he still got dropped right? And I’m pretty sure Cain is faster than Carwin, not only that, but he has more cardio. I know the same thing most likely won’t happen to Lesnar as it did with Carwin, but you can’t say that he won’t be able to KO Lesnar, cuz it’s very possible. If I was a betting man, and I was gonna bet big, I’d bet on Lesnar, I’m not dumb. But I root for Velasquez, and I think he can pull it off. Will he? We’ll just have to wait and see…

by MMAandSoccer on Jul 19, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah I agree it's possible that Cain can KO Brock

 But I think odds are it will be TKO before KO if Cain wins. And yes Cain is a more proven wrestler than Carwin in MMA and in college. Don’t get me wrong I think Cain is a great fighter but I still believe Carwin is a little better with his KO power. If Carwin and Cain had the same KO power I would say Cain is the better fighter. Does Cain have the same strength to stuff takedowns as Carwin against Brock or at least the technique too? Does Cain have the same striking skill as Carwin? Does Cain have the striking power to have as big as an advantage standing as Carwin did against Brock? It’s hard to say because Carwins takedown D is also very effective becasue of his striking power, would you rather be in a clinch vs. Cain or Carwin? I would pick Cain.

 And yes I was disappointed with Brocks stand up but so was he and I think his stand up will change against Cain and hopefully be more effective. Brock doesn`t need great stand up just average stand up striking with good striking D were he can hold his own and set up takedowns without taking the big shots. I`m just not sold that Cain has that much better stand up than Brock as his KO over NOG doesn`t tell us how good it is as Brocks KO over Couture did not either.

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by Puck Head on Jul 20, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

True...

I agree with a lot of what you said. The thing is even if Lesnar doesn’t get KOd, if he gets hit with a good solid punch that rocks him, he’ll panic, as you saw in the Carwin fight(but he has probably worked on that.) I don’t know, I still think if he shows great improvement between fights like he did in the last one, he has a good chance. I actually do wanna see some wrestling between these two, I wanna see how much better Brock is, and I don’t mean that sarcastically hah.

by MMAandSoccer on Jul 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Cain will improve between fights but so will Brock and if he could withstand Carwin’s power than Cain will offer nothing to him that he hasn’t already tasted and dealt with.

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by Nightwhistler on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compare...

Compare how much both have improved between fights. I have no doubt that Brock can and will improve, but look at the levels of improvements in both the fighter’s fights.

by MMAandSoccer on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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