Banzai Charge: DREAM owners change business model, declare war against the UFC
by Jesse Holland on Jul 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT
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"This is a declaration of war against the WWE and UFC. From Asia, we will take the world. Mr. Ishii is completely supporting us. We won't stand a chance in the American market so we will spread to the rest of the world. When K-1 and PRIDE were competing against each other, 80-percent of the martial arts market was in Japan. It is now the opposite and Japan is only 20-percent. We were worried that Japan would be left behind if we let this continue, it is unacceptable. We needed to change our business model. We've let Dana White get a lead on us. Before (Shinya) Aoki beats (Gilbert) Melendez, we must win as promoters."
K-1 President Sadaharu Tanikawa leads the charge at today's press conference announcing the financial partnership between Fighting and Entertainment Group (FEG) and Shanghai-based investment bank PUJI Capital. FEG holds DREAM and K-1 under its umbrella and expects great things from a new business model that focuses on a global expansion. Not since the days of PRIDE has mixed martial arts been a formidable presence in Japan. Can the deep pockets of PUJI help FEG recapture that glory? Or has the UFC's international expansion defeated them before they even get started?
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Sorry guys but the war is over. lol peace and Gil will kick his ass again
BJ is going to be back in Cali training and Marv is back! Bad news for Frankie. I will be betting the house.
It's too late for the Banzai charge...
Aoki already called it: “If Aoki loses, it is over for Japan. I love Japan and it is certain that if I lose, Japan will become a colony of US MMA”
I love Dream, but their best fighter got shut out by a skilled, but lightly regarded, champ over here.
“Before (Shinya) Aoki beats (Gilbert) Melendez, we must win as promoters”
i don’t get it, he already got his ass kicked and exposed, japan is for freak shows and wanna be pro wrestling MMA, leave the real MMA to america..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Ignorant...
…you do know that “martial arts” started in Japan, right?
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
no duh dumb shit..
im talking about modern day, if i was all about he past in MMA i wud bring up pride and how many great fighters were there..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
im saying here and now, they have nuthing..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
So...
they could sign good guys with this new cash and put the UFC to shame.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
idk..
most of the “good guys” are in the UFC, and we seen the DREAM champs get clowned by the Strikeforce champs as if they don’t know how to win, and strikeforce is inferior to UFC..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
It is now....
…but if you were writing this post 4 years ago you would e saying…“and UFC is inferior to Pride.”
Just becuase one fighter beat another doesnt mean the roles of the promotions are locked forever. With this new money Dream can now play in the contract negotiations that only UFC and SF get to now.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
its over man Dana owns the world
BJ is going to be back in Cali training and Marv is back! Bad news for Frankie. I will be betting the house.
The UFC is now like the NFL
all other leagues will fail
BJ is going to be back in Cali training and Marv is back! Bad news for Frankie. I will be betting the house.
no way, they will never have it that good...
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying...
they’re locked forever, im saying they have absolutly nothing on the UFC, maybe eventually they wud which i doubt but u never know, and for DREAMS sake i hope they don’t fix fights and be linked to the mafia of japan…
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
“Im saying they have absolutly nothing on the UFC”
Not now…this whole posting is about who they are going to try to change it.
What is the magic formula that the UFc has that others cant replicate or even…dare I say…improve upon?
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
a mixture of talent and
a mixture of Brock Lesnar, while somehow still appearing like they don’t put on circus fights.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
which if they bring back some old stars
who get dominated by their “new stars” (assuming they accurately identify who to correctly market), they will have a good recipe for success.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
simple..
no company means anyhting compared to them for now, until the future u can keep acting like u saw the fall of UFc and predicted DREAM wud surpass them..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I don't predict the fall of the UFC
by any means. But, Dream can grow, and relive the Pride days in Asia, if they make the right decisions.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Uh, GuyverBob, ever heard of the Samurai? Or are you just a UFC fanboy who doesn’t really follow mixed martial arts?
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
wait wait wait
why is he calling out UFC AND WWE? And why together? And and and and…did he not watch the fight? There wasn’t any glimpse of hope at all for Aoki to EVER beat Melendez
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
I think it was a bit
of showmanship. Pretty sure he was just being a dickhead.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
+1
Is he supposed to talk shit about Aoki in a press conference where they are declaring war?
“Where gonna kick everyone’s ass…even though we just had a setback!”
Sigh,
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
and I am sure
we are going to get some pure gold out of DW in response to this. I for one, cannot wait. His head may have already exploded.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Yeah...
He through his blackberry at his butler (Tito) when he got this via twitter.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
Yeah...
I bet he threw his blackbeery at this butler (tito) when he got this via twitter.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
tito..
is a douche who wud be lucky to even get that job, and yes p-dub i have heared of a samurai u dumb shit..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Tito is a douche
Now we’re agreeing.
Sepuku it is.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
note to self
If SD and I get into a heated debate, just say these words: “Tito is a douche”. Everything will then be ok.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
alright calling ua dumb shit was uncalled for but its annoying wen u guys make up shit and convice urselfs that u have a point, where have i said japan never had martial arts..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Or else what?
LOL
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
ya , im sure we agree that tim sylvia’s a douche too..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Yep...
What about…Penn?
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
penn is a great fighter but a whinney bitch, as a penn fan i even see it..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
as a penn fan
you should realize he ISNT a whiny bitch. GD, I am not talking about Penn with you guys. I promised myself. Moving on….
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
that was’nt really enuff to get on ur side, but fare enuff, i e-fin hate nate diiaz..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
thnx, wats ur thoughts on brock?
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Douche
He is earning more respect from me though. Thats the thing about mma, so different than cheering for baseball, football etc, your favorites usually evolve if you watch it long enough.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
so true..
i hate him but i can’t deny hes a true champ, he trains like no other and has heart so he deserves respect..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
After his last fight
I said I respected him a little more. If he beats Cain, I will respect him a lot more. He will never be my favorite, but one day he may be a legit champion. Not that holding the HW belt in the UFC isn’t legit, but he is a green champion.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
true, how about fedor, wats ur thoughts..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
i don’tm kind fedor but i hate his nuthuggers, im glad hes down to earth though..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I hate any nuthugger
Its mostly opinions on here. Nothing is fact except records, and even then, people will debate W’s and L’s.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
well that who fedors so great shit, and that hes a cyborg and blah blah blah, and ppl calling him god and saying bullets dodge him, i say hes a good fighter but who knows how good he really is at this time..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I was really enjoying that too...!
I’m out boys, keep keeping it real!
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
@Guyver
That Samurai remark was heavily laden with sarcasm.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
well u forget im stupid and can’t read sarcasm, i apologize and u earn one kiss ass comment from me, it expires in one week haha..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
"no company means anyhting compared to them for now"
Isnt the point of Dream making this announcement that they are saying they are going to change it.
Why fight it? Just enjoy the additional great fights.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
Ha! you said "no duh"
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jul 16, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
wow im impressed..
u can acctually read..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Banzai Charge: DREAM owners change business model, declare war against the UFC
This is very funny. Japan does not have one decent fighter anymore. Melendez is going to kill Aoki one demensional ass when they fight again.
Of course a well funded promo can challenge the UFC...
Strikeforce is doing fine and growing. Dream seems to be doing fine and growing. Bellator is gaining steam.
People forget that the UFC wasnt always on top. PriDe PWNED the UFC for years. It just a question of money. Now that Dream has bigger backers, then can sign more fighters.
What goes up must come down.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
agree with you 100% striker. ufc dosnt have some secret ingredient...
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 16, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good. More money will attract more fighters. More fighters = more talent. More talent = better viewing entertainment.
This is the only mma math that works.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
LMFAO, about two seconds after me.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 16, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't kev say these guys were about to call it quits?
kev’s sources were wrong once again. lol
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
TMZ aint always right
Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 16, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just messing with you,
but I still think they will fail, no real superstars.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
I know u were
but they got backers because they were failing. I hope they make it, but history has showed us that the japanese fighters don’t fare too well in the states.
as for the gladiator intro being talked about up more on the page, I agree with the pavlov comment, when I hear the intro I get chills!
Sup Kev...
I will email you…I promise.
Just overwhelmed lately.
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
just waiting bro
no way u can make the A’s wed? armbarbandit is coming, I still have 1 ticket. I think we r like 10 rows off the field.
Damn...I cant.
Wife has something planned.
Thansk for the invite though.
You going to 117?
"The #1 Heavy Weight of the World Brock Lesnar!" - "All Aboard The Pain Train Chug a Chug a Choo Choo"
dont know
my son gets home the day before and my dad will be here (he comes one weekend a year). If I stumble upon a free ticket, I’ll go, if not I won’t.
I’m doing a lot of research and shit, whenver you have 10 min, email me so I can pick ur brain. I get that ur busy, with my son gone for 3 more weeks I’m trying to get this thing going
You know...
I love the enthusiasm, but I really am not sure that promotions is their biggest failure. Seems to me that before you can successfully expand into new markets (and increase your own dominance in your own back yard), you need STAR POWER. There are mega stars in Japanese MMA, but most of them are aging, past their prime, and really, not very legitimate anymore. I love the old days of PRIDE. LOVE IT. Where, though, are they going to get the talent to promote their “GLOBAL EXPANSION?” I am a rat and I smell a sinking ship.
there going to sign away established stars and capitalize on the increase of new stars as the sport grows. if they have the money they can do it...
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 lmao!
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jul 16, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you are the official king
of randomness. In your honor:
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
We've heard this one before...
All these orgs are gonna fail if their goal is to take down the UFC as quick as possible. Start small and grow every year. That’s your only chance.
dream & k1 have more seats in arenas 50 thousand at least if not more. ufc has more ppv,dream need more ppv.
Dear Asad
See above. You comments sound like they are meant to be responding to someone, but they are stand alone. Very odd.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
your facts
aren’t really facts at all, they are opinions, which is fine, I am just saying they are presented poorly. You would do better to engage another’s comment, or put all of your opinions in one comment and post it up.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
lmao this is hilarious!!!!
Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,
by the chubbster on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ufc will fall pride 2 is sick
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
Nice try but you're going to have to keep changing, DREAM
As much as I love watching the Japanese organizations DREAM is screwed up and set up for failure here is why:
Before (Shinya) Aoki beats (Gilbert) Melendez, we must win as promoters
Pride. Not PRIDE, but pride. They are not focused on being the best MMA organization. They are focused on beating America. They are still fighting an old war and the world, and this sport, is leaving them behind. If they truly want to beat the UFC they should be looking at why the UFC is succeeding rather than fighting turf wars.
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