Shinya Aoki has a message for the haters following his DREAM 15 win ...
by Jesse Holland on Jul 12, 2010 10:20 AM EDT
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... That sounds like it was delivered from the psyche ward at Akagi-kohgen.
"When I caught (Kawajiri) and tried to submit him, I heard a loud crackle sound. He did not tap so I thought 'Ok, this match just became a death-fight' and I was going to destroy his leg. I knew Kawajiri never taps so I could not win without breaking his bone. I was hoping for an open-fracture. No one could have endured [that submission] like Kawajiri. His heart is iron. [I told him] 'I could show you 100% but I chose not to because I respect you. Thank you for this fight.' After I lost (to Gilbert Melendez), many people blamed me, but [my fiance] helped me through it all. The people who mocked me in my fight versus Melendez, I wanted to kill them all. Even in this fight, too many people said 'Kawajiri would win!'. I felt like telling these people 'Go to hell!'."
"The Tobikan Judan" (via MiddleEasy.com) is elated to have finally finished Tatsuya Kawajiri at DREAM 15 after "Crusher's" long pursuit of the lightweight champion. Aoki was stifled by Gilbert Melendez in his trip to "Nashville" last April, coming under fire for his largely underwhelming performance under the Strikeforce banner. Perhaps the disposal of Kawajiri, along with his bone crunching submission of Mizuto Hirota at FieLDS Dynamite!! 2009, makes him one of the world's most feared lightweights? Or is he simply a big fish in a little pond?
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Aoki needs to challenge Melendez to do a rematch in Japan, after he trains with top notch wrestlers from the US.
Nothing he does really matters until he comes to the US and actually beats top tier competition
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I have a shit ton of Aoki middle finger (and other) romoshops compiled here: http://www.bloodyfists.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12329
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he may be a big fish in a small pond, and likely would have a lot of trouble against strong Wrestleboxers with good gameplans, but if he gets a hold of a limb, he has the ability to end anyone’s night real quick
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 12, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
Man, if only Aoki would show a little emotion now and then....
lol
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Jul 12, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
he reminds me of Gollum...or Elijah Wood from Sin City
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Jul 12, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you talking about this dude?
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
its kamal shalorus!
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jul 12, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the original pic better
this guy is way too intense! He’s a great Japanese “star” but too small and has no stand up when it comes to American mma, sorry aoki, but if you wanna be the man, stay in Japan!
He sounds like a hardcore killer.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
every man, woman, and child would have to fear for their safety
He would be the greatest serial killer of all time.
GSP is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 GSP
2 Anderson Silva
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 BK Penn
5 Jose Aldo
by daniel worby on Jul 12, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
worbs
you see the MW tournament news for SF? u called me a moron for saying they couldn’t find anyone interested in fighting in a tournament…
http://www.mmamania.com/2010/7/11/1564286/strikeforces-mw-championship
Yeah worbs!
you’re the moron… you don’t know shit! lol
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
But GSP doesnt.
This guy said he “was HOPING for a compound fracture”.
You think putting someone out of their livelihood for a few months is a good attitude? I dont’.
^^this^^
Even thought they may be your opponent, they are also in your fraternity of mma fighters, to actually want to seriously injure someone where they can’t support their family is fucked up in my book……………
O_o
meh, i like his mindset. Thats why everyone has the option of tapping.
Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 12, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
it would be the opponents fault for not tapping. If you’re caught in a submission that you can’t escape from and it breaking or you tapping are the only two options, there is absolutely no shame in tapping and being able to fight again really soon as opposed to your limb breaking and you being out a long time. You fight and/or hold submissions until the fight is over, if that means hurting your opponent, as much as it’s unfortunate, you do it!
agreed
and if your opponent doesn’t tap….nothing wrong with hoping for a spectacular break instead of a minor one. if you are forced into breaking a limb, you really have to make the most of it.
yup
as I’ve said in the past, I’m very old school when it comes to martial arts, athletics in general and most importantly sportsmanship! If you are forced to break a limb, then so be it, might as well win in dramatic fashion if ur opponent i that dumb!
he sat it out
as I said right after the fight (and it was confirmed by multiple “professionals,” the technique was wrong. This surprised me because I assumed GSP was technically sound, and I agree/know people make mistakes while in a fight, but to have 2 submissions locked in and tight and to “fail” on both was surprising! That will will someday affect the outcome of a fight too (possibly). What if after that “nice guy” move (by not breaking it), Hardy came back to knock GSP out? When in the cage, you win by any means necessary!
agreed
either way with that fight I became a hardy fan the guy has some heart after the 20th takedown I would have said screw it..
The best part of Greg J yammering on aobut him doing the
technique perfect and that it had nothing to do with GSP, then Danaher tells him that he did the armbar wrong. That was very embarrasing One more thing to question Greg J about. I am starting to think that Danaher, Phil, Howard G and Firaz are the real brain trust. (can’t wait to see danaher on the next season of TUF, best BJJ teacher on the planet)
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 12, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats exactly what i saying lol
it would be the opponents fault for not tapping. If you’re caught in a submission that you can’t escape from and it breaking or you tapping are the only two option
Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 12, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You like his way of thinking??
I just find it odd that someone would want to give another person a open fracture and kill everyone who didn’t cheer for him………….
O_o
it's called killer instinct
he doesn’t really want to kill him. Id take this over GSP’s lack of killer instinct (Hardy fight) any day! I respect that GSP is a really nice guy, but in a fight, I want the “kill or be killed” attitude!
Lmao. Did u see the pic of aoki dressed up as an actual douche =D
I think JH or OD photo shopped it.
by d*locc on Jul 12, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aoki is a legitimate Top 5 lightweight in the WORLD.
Don’t base his talent only on the Melendez fight. Find a copy of the Alvarez fight and come back and tell me Aoki cannot beat American wrestlers.
Aoki would school guys like Maynard and Griffin all day long.
I want to see him win something
without his fancy pants on.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I didn't see it
unfortunately, I don’t get HD net, did he come out in shorts?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
yeah, he was in shorts.
It was actually a very good learning lesson for guys working on BJJ. Aoki held the heel-lock for over 2, maybe 3, minuteas and just kept trying to crank it different directions til he got it to break. Kawajiri was not going to tap, and right before he snapped it, Kawajiri gave a thumbs up to his corner that he was ok.
Most guys in the UFC let go of that hold and go for something else.
I am glad to hear he won something without the pants
He needs to just make the conversion full time if he has any desire to fight and win in the US. He is a legit lightweight, but he would be better at a smaller weight. I agree he could do good things against fighters like Maynard, but anyone with a little better striking is going to give him fits.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
He looked really good.......
I was super pumped to watch him and gegard and those fights we fast and lop sided………..
O_o
Mania posted Aoki's fight video this weekend.
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
excellent
I will check that out, thanks champ. I don’t check this too much on saturday and sundays. too drunk ;)
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
People need to give the pants a rest.
Aoki is a very good grappler. He didn’t wear them for a long while after he started his fight career, then he wore them and now he’s not. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s his technique and transitions that should be feared not whether his pants may or may not give him more traction.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree Ulf
I hate Maynard, but he would blanket Aoki.
It;s not just him, most Japanese fighters don’t cut weight so are undersized for there weight
I agree with this
I think he would be a great addition to the 145 class.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
He is a bit undersized and should be at 145 here in the states,
but his BJJ is THAT good that he would catch all but the best at 155.
I dont ever see him beating BJ, Kenny, or Frankie, but if he fought Gil again, we would see a different gameplan.
disagree
Melendez exposed him. anyone with decent jits, good stand up and some patience (as to not jump in his guard) would beat him
agree'd
Daniel Worby is Mania's Resident Sissy Boy
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
agree also
im really curious to see how hed do against a guy like sherk.
SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON! Hell Yeah
by Phenomenal Angel on Jul 12, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Melendez, arguably a top 5'er himself, exposed him?
c’mon kev, nobody gets exposed from one fight. The guy has beaten a who’s who in the LW division and more than a few at WW.
How many LW’s can you name that fit the description that you are talking about? 4 maybe 5 in the world, hence top 5.
who's who list?
thats debatable ulf. he’s beaten a who’s who of Japanese LW’s, but can you tell me how any other “elite” japanese fighters have done here in the states? He’d be good at a lower weight class, but unfortunately not at 55 here in the states. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan, but I tend to just be realistic. Also I think Miguel Torres beats him as well
JZ, Eddie Alvarez, Kawajiri, George Sot, Shaolin and Hansen all lost to Aoki. Only one is Japanese, and
All have been or are in the top 10 except for maybe Sot. That is as good a list as anyone not named BJ in the LW division EVER, but one fight exposes him? That’s nuts.
Torres beating him is laughable, especially after he was supposedly exposed by Bowles and mini-Faber. Plus Torres would give up 15-20 pounds to Aoki and likes to grapple also.
as for sot
i dont see him outside of the top 10 for long he looks better with every fight i say give him a few more fights and the wagon will start to form
it's a good list Ulf, I'll give you that
but even someone like Sherk (who’s only lost to GREATS) and Maynard and even Florian have a better resume in my mind. Melendez is Legit, but I’m not convinced he’d do well against top talent in the UFC. It’s a good debate and we both have valid points, I just don’t think he’d do well in the UFC, which basically is the standard for “greatness,” like it or not!
I agree, but I SUPER-respect a guy who has fought every available good LW in the world and only loses once.
His problem, like Caol Uno, is that the Americans cut a ton of weight. Except for Kawajiri, who cuts probably 15-20 pounds, the Japanese fighters do not. Makes for a big advantage when skills are close to equal.
If in the UFC, I would see Aoki as #4 or #5. BJ, Frankie, Kenny and the rest. Nate Diaz should have subbed Maynard and I would take Aoki over Nate any day of the week (and I KNOW you would not). Aoki would sub Maynard because he has no patience and thinks his wrestling and strength will get him out of anything. Sherk in his prime (read: on roids) might have beaten him, but the current “I am a boxer” muscleshark would get tooled by Aoki on the ground. He just got old too soon, like the rest of the really good guys from a few years ago. (Hughes, Liddell, Franklin, etc)
If Aoki keeps up the bullshit with flipping opponents off and such, he will have to come over here and fight because the Japanese will disown him. then we’ll know if he is really good or just good.
" I would take Aoki over Nate any day of the week (and I KNOW you would not)."
what do you mean u know I would not? I 100% would take Aoki over Nate. You’ve been here long enough to know that I don’t pick winners and losers based on who I like and dislike, I’m one of the most unbiased guys on here and NEVER let who I like dictate who I feel is a better fighter. Not to mention I’m not a big fan of Nate either!
My bad.
honestly, I thought you were a Gracie diehard and picked them unless it was obvious they were outclassed (like Nick v GSP).
again, ur off base
I said Nick is the biggest challenge at WW for GSP, but NO ONE will beat him! Thats why I think it’s pointless for him to continue to fight at ww!
Aoki is legit I agree.
He lost to the Strikeforce champion, Melendez who is no joke and who would give all the top fighters in the UFC trouble. The guy has a solid chin and can eat punches for five rounds has excellent stand up, and never runs out of steam. He had the perfect gameplan, and it paid off. He lost to a champion unlike BJ who lost to Frankie Edgar, I didn’t hear anyone start rubbishing his skills after that loss. Just a load of excuses including everybody’s favorite, the real BJ didn’t show up. Like it is only really him when he lands a winning shot and not when his opponent doesn’t allow him to. Aoki was never going to win that fight on his feet, Melendez did a very good job, that doesn’t automatically mean every top ranked fighter will.
how bout the fact that the judging in the Frankie fight was horrendous
Aoki is a butt scooter, a loud, arrogant butt scooter.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
top 5 lightweight LOL
AOKI IS GARBAGE PERIOD.
by Greg Ferguson on Jul 12, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not garbage,
just not top 5
Brock Lesnar is the #1 P4P fighter in the world. My top 5 P4P list is.
1 Brock Lesnar
2 BJ Penn
3 John Fitch
4 Matt Hughes
5 Matt Serra
for me it was that he spelled out Period...its conveys the feeling of what a big deal it is
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not to sure abou tthat...
They are world class wrestlers, who have average standup. Aoki has 0 stand up. I think Maynard and Griffen are good enough wrestlers to avoid Aoki’s td’s.
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Featherweight
I for one think he would be a great addition to the FW Division in WEC he prolly wouldnt go for it though cause hed wanna do his outside grappling comps just food for thought though.
H wouldn't last one round with Aldo
by _Haze_ on Jul 12, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe not
But I Enjoy watching Aoki fight nonetheless Melendez-Aoki II.. Aoki via Buttscoot round 3 mark it down!
Also
A Aoki-Sotiropoulos rematch would be intriguing since Sotiropoulos is a totally different fighter now from the last time they met.
we don't like you.just your technology
people do not hate you , they just want a little fore play before the leg dry humping.
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