Jake Shields released from his Strikeforce contract
by Jesse Holland on Jul 1, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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Three and out.
Strikeforce Middleweight Champion Jake Shields has been released from his contract with Strikeforce, the San Jose-based mixed martial arts promotion he's called home since the collapse of Elite XC nearly two years ago, according to a report from Sherdog.com.
After a successful title run under the Pro Elite banner from 2007-08, Shields was picked from the rubble by Scott Coker and Co. following the financial implosion of Elite XC, expedited by Kimbogate on the "Heat" fight card in October 2008.
The Cesar Gracie disciple made his Strikeforce debut against Robbie Lawler in June 2009, strangling the former UFC brawler with a "Ruthless" guillotine just past the two minute mark in the first round of their main event attraction.
Back-to-back decision wins over Jason "Mayhem" Miller and Dan Henderson on CBS would follow, leaving Shields with an option to stay for one more fight or head for greener pastures, depending on the promotion's ability to meet his salary requirements for one last ride.
Able, but apparently not willing.
During his recent negotiations, Shields flirted with the UFC and spoke publicly about his desire to fight Octagon champions Georges "Rush" St. Pierre (welterweight) and Anderson "The Spider" Silva (middleweight).
He also served as assistant coach to Chuck Liddell on season 11 of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF).
While he competed in the 185-pound class in Strikeforce, Shields is a natural 170-pound competitor and has the flexibility to move between weight classes depending on what opportunities present themselves.
Of course his debut as a Zuffa employee is not yet confirmed, but widely accepted as a foregone conclusion in light of his release from Strikeforce. UFC President Dana White has gone on the record stating he'll "definitely" sign the grappling stud on multiple occasions.
In his absence, Strikeforce will likely proceed with a 185-pound tournament to determine a new champion.
So, now that the wheels are in motion, what match-ups intrigue you the most? Does Shields automatically get a crack at the winner of Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck? Or does he need to prove his merit against the winner of Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves?
Or maybe straight to the winner of Chael Sonnen vs. Anderson Silva?
Let's hear your predictions!
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lol just what I was going to say
Top 3 guys in WW are now 100%lnp assholes, sweet.
Hopefully Alves knocks them all out someday.
by Lester The Pimp on Jul 1, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
If we are lucky we will end up with the Alves scenario. I really hope, by some shre of luck or chance Kos beats GSP. WE know Kos, won’t retain the belt for any real period of time. At least to get a mild shake up in the div. before takes the belt back.
Who gets Shields first? Do they give him the loser of Fitch and Alves or maybe the loser of GSP and Kos? Or do they give him someone like Ben Saunders, Dan Hardy or Diego Sanchez to build his popularity a little bit?
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
He should come in and rematch Condit
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 good call.
Like that match-up, especially if Carlos gets past Hardy.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Monkey, I don't think you can increase Jake Shields' popularity......
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
I chose the wrong words there....
I meant more along the line of getting him familiar with the UFC fans. While I know he his a popular fighter, I still don’t see him as popular as a guy who came up throught the UFC ranks.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
170lb division = wrestlemania
they may as well just not even allow striking, they can wear those cute little headgear pieces and just go for takedowns for 15/25 min
by xquisitewretch on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
To funny outside of Alves, I may have to agree with you…
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Wow GSP is lay n pray huh?
Fitch yes. GSP is an amazing fighter on his feet and even more so on the ground, but great wrestling shouldnt be immediatdly dubbed " lay n pray". And dude no lets have nobody hope Kos is going to win
by theworldismine on Jul 1, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But how do you really feel about him?
Paniczoo reincarnated.
by ziiiiing on Jul 1, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it just me
or does anyone else think it would be hilarious if UFC all of a sudden said “Psych! We dont want him either”
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Strikeforce would then sign him. No biggie.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
I don't think it would be funny
I want the best in the UFC, he qualifies.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Exactly
No idea why anyone would find the UFC not signing a quality fighter funny.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn, just kill it for me lol...
(kicking rocks)
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Wonder if all of the UFC only fans will say that Shields is a "SF reject" like they do with the fighters that leave the UFC because of contract disputes.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
If he had been coming off a loss or two they would
But he’s leaving on a winning streak with a belt.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Not being able to come to terms on a contract and seeking employment elsewhere does not make one a company reject regardless of current winning streaks.
Also, AA and Hendo were on 3-fight win streaks when they left the UFC, and have still been called “UFC rejects”.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Yeah but Hendo and AA had lost title fights and couldn't beat the top guys in UFC
That’s why people called them rejects. As ignorant as that sounds. Jake is #1 at SF, there is nothing anyone can say against him. He beat the best guys SF could put against him. AA and Hendo didn’t. Two totally different situations.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Not really. They're equally absurd claims. That means that the UFC's entire MW roster outside of Silva are "UFC reject" caliber fighters.
I understand what you’re saying, and maybe you do have a point. I’m just trying to prove a point that it’s pure ignorance to call a fighter a “insert promotion here reject” because they didn’t come to terms on a contract with said promotion.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I agree 1000%.
They call Werdum a reject even though he only left because his contract was up. They think since he was out of shape once and lost to an unknown JDS that he couldn’t possibly be any good today.
A lot of these dudes on here have the IQ of a bag of marbles though.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
lol +1.
Not convinced Shields woulda beaten Jacare, though. Kinda wished he woulda stayed in SF for that fight but oh well should be fun now he can go ahead and destroy Silva (if he even makes it past Sonnen), at least. Jake cant win at 170 mineaswell beat the p4p kidn of overrated.
This
Shields’ best option was to either go back down to 170 and fight Hieron which he would have gotten lamped IMO or face Jacare who would have eaten him. His record shows that he is a very quality fighter but for some reason i just don’t think he’ll have success in the WW division. And If he moved up to 185, i don’t think he can beat even a guy like palhares, much less the cream of the crop. I really wanna see him against either Paulo Thiago or Mike Pierce.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Prior to his decisions in his last two fights, one against a really tough guy and the other against a MMA Hall-of-Famer and legend, Shields had 8 consecutive stoppages, 6 in the first round. He achieves positional dominance, then looks for subs. Not exactly sure how that’s boring or LnP.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Because he never swings for the fences with his head down, it is LNP to homos.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I find it laughable that supposed fans of MMA whine about a guy as good as Jake being boring
He was so close to being the first man to stop Hendo with strikes despite being a huge underdog and landed over 200 ground strikes as well as made several submission attempts yet to some it’s boring. Honestly I’m surprised people like that even watch this sport, if you only like striking then watch boxing, K-1 and muay Thai.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
-1
I can’t stand it when someone says “if you think wrestling’s boring, go watch K-1” blah blah blah; it’s great that you can sit there going “WOW he just got half guard! Look at his position, look at his control; this guys base is amazing! Now he’s in side mount! Wow! He’s peppering him with hammer fists! awesome!” I for one can’t do that; if it’s an active ground fight with scrambles and sub attempts (ie: Renzo vs Newton, Condit vs Kampman) I appreciate it. But when one guy just maintains the exact same position for 4 rds, 20 mins; no I’m not exactly jumping out of my seat…
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. LnP is bad but Shields is not a LnP fighter. Never has been up until this point.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
GSP did mostly work for position and a few sub attempts against Hardy
I hope he doesn’t continue with that game plan against everybody. I could see that getting boring. Just because no one can stop it if he does. No suspense.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
That comment was aimed at the boo boys who moan as soon as a fight hits the ground
Jake is always transitioning to dominant positions, attempting submissions and ground and pound. That is not laying in half guard for 5 rounds.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shields is undeniably skilled
There was just something about his last two fights that rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it was how he had such dominant positions for such a long time but couldn’t finish.
I don't really have a problem with Shields
But he’s also pretty 1 dimensional; yea he’s got a world class ground game but he can’t strike worth a damn. It goes both ways imo and it seems like a lot of people that consider themselves true mma fans will set a guy with a great ground game on a pedestal and then condemn a great striker as a brawler with no ground game. The truth is Shields doesn’t accuratley represent MMA as a sport either.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on who you use an an example. Brawler and great striker are not the same thing, OD. Not to me, anyway.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
A person can be a brawler and be a great striker as well
A great technical striker will usually maintain a certain distance, pace himself and pick his shots. A brawler is going to attack relentlessly, try to get inside and start throwing bombs. I’ve seen plenty of brawlers KO a guy that’s a better technical fighter; it’s about who can pull who into their game. It’s about style; a fighter can be a brawler and still be a great striker, imo brawling is a preference or style of fighting, it’s predictable in that the fighter is going to be very aggressive, attack relentlessly and attempt to draw their opponent into a shoot out, but there is a method to the madness.
I agree some guys are just wreckless.
But if we’re talking Wanderlei Silva, Rampage Jackson or Chuck Liddell, they’re all great strikers that prefer to brawl imo.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this completely :
“But if we’re talking Wanderlei Silva, Rampage Jackson or Chuck Liddell, they’re all great strikers that prefer to brawl imo.”
If you use Leben, Garcia or Baroni then I would say that they are reckless and 1 dimensional brawlers. Entertaining as all hell? Yes. Strikers? No.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Exactly OJR
I appreciate quality fighters in MMA, it doesn’t matter if they’re top strikers, grapplers or both I like to see the best fighters show off their skills. I just get frustrated when guys like Shields get no credit, just as I would if people bashed Wand for no real reason.
As for brawlers, I’m not a fan of sloppy swing and hope strikers who don’t have any technique, gas quickly and are too easy to hit. Those types of fighters don’t impress me and it’s very frustrating to watch good grapplers like Lytle and Gurgel devolve into sloppy brawlers to entertain the fans at the expense of winning fights.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
I actually didn't enjoy the Hendo fight, but I thought the Mayhem fight was great. Lot's of transitions and a lot of ground action.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
In the Hendo fight Hendo preferred to take a lot of punches on the ground instead of exposing himself to a sub. He never turned or gave his back, which most people do when getting punched in the face from mount, even if Shields doesn’t exactly punch like a world-class striker like Kimbo.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Jake is a nice guy, he coached a seminar 1 month ago at paradise warrior retreat.
I have met the guy 3 weeks ago (and trained with him), The guy is a genuinely nice guy and a good coach. If you are ok with sitting home and judging that’s your choice. If you want to meet some of these guys and train with them check out paradisewarriorretreat.com
Jake is a nice guy, The stupid human nature to pass judgment without knowledge is well documented here in this forum
I have met the guy 3 weeks ago (and trained with him), The guy is a genuinely nice guy and a good coach. If you are ok with sitting home and judging that’s your choice. If you want to meet some of these guys and train with them check out paradies warrior retreat.
ronnymma@aol.com
If Jake came to the UK I'd go to see him in person
Too many people take Frank Shamrock’s biased commentary as gospel when talking about Jake, he’s always seemed like a nice guy to me and he’s unquestionably a very talented grappler with an excellent MMA record.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
Can't even find a photoshop on Jake Shields
Nobody likes or dislikes this guy lol.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
With a pic like this, who needs photoshop...? LMAO!!!!!
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Shields isn't the one that looks like a douche bag there...
But he does look disturbed..
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Good grief! Who told that fighter that people wanted to look at his corn hole? UGH.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Is that the goat?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Ha ha, Jay I thought you meant the goat where a dude tucks all his junk back behind, then bends over to show it all.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
What a funny movie...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I can't keep scrollin past without something worth scrolling to, i'm gonna have to cancel this out
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
If she was a C-cup, I would be impressed OD
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
That is one fine looking azz
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
yikes
Who is that and what promotion was that under….I’m all for some laughs at weigh ins,but that’s more of a “WTF” than a laugh.
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jul 1, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick Thompson in EliteXC
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good
Now we get to see one of the best fighters in the world in the UFC. Hopefully Diaz and Gil will join Jake soon.
First fight will probabaly be the Alves-Fitch winner for the next shot after Kos, though he could also fight Kampmann or Hathaway unless they fight each other.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
One can hope about the 2 signings
If Diaz does sign though does that mean Shields goes to MW? And is Nate planning on staying at WW? We’d nearly have another AKA situation. Cept Nate won’t get near a title shot, kinda like Swick. Benefits though would be a WWE style main event. AKA versus the Gracies
I’d love to see Gil fighting Kenflo, BJ, even Sherk.
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
WHAT!!!!! I CANT BELIEVE THIS!!!!
I Didnt see this comming AT ALL!!! <<<<< Sarcasm
You dont have to like me.. but you WILL respect my opinion! Jon Jones Cannot be Stopped! and neither can Anderson SIlva! Cain or Dos Santos??
what exactly is the UFC going to gain by Jake?
A fighter that has boring fights, in other words LnPist! He is a bad match-up for most of the ww and mws!
This guy doesn’t have big fan base, his fans are actually easy to count!
If Dana thinks he is gaining something by signing this dude, well…. good luck!!!
The rivelry between SF and UFC just made this guy rich. And after he loses a few fights in the UFC (see: Kimbo) he will be cut. Dana loves to bring in the other’s hyped fighters and have them get their asses kicked. And Shields will, all hype and boring
Not only is it not fair, it is also completely moronic and devoid of any brain cells. I can get better MMA knowledge out of a fortune cookie. Don't ever compare Kimbo to anybody of Shields' stature. Ever.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Fortune cookie?
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
TRUTH
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
That comparising is just not fair
to Kimbo!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Fuck Kimbo Slice!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
And his fans
Don’t forget his fans!
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Fuck his youtube following, brain dead, butt sniffing mutant fans!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Tell us how you really feel?
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
I can't help myself...its like putting raw meat in front of a wild animal.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
On a different note...The "new" Wonder Woman...
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
I prefer the sluttier WW costume.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
OJR... your cookie says:
“You will soon meet with disappointment.”
Oh sorry, this must’ve been Carwin’s cookie. My bad.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
lol, Carwins says...
You will soon be mauled by an albino bear
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
All Shields threads are full of absolute nonsense
I’m just glad that the regulars are actually giving Jake credit now.
Anyone who compares Jake with Kimbo has no worthwhile opinion on MMA.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
And I’m one of the last guys to give Shields credit. I just hold it against him a little bit that he’s been fighting for this long and he still refuses to improve his stand up. I don’t care if he grinds out a decision in every fight(he doesn’t)but I just want to see him tag someone some day. He looks so horrible standing, at least in contrast to his GG.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
What bothers me
Is how piss-poor his ground and pound is. Those were legitimate pillow hands against Hendo, and he’s not big enough to take down middleweights with better cardio than Dan.
If he comes to Welterweight, let Kampmann eat him up. If he comes to Middleweight, give him Okami.
Shields is definitely good, but not pound for pound material.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
by Johnny WF on Jul 1, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Check the stats, buddy. He’s already beaten Okami.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I'd forgotten
But the current Okami, with standup, would smash him.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
He couldn't use elbows against Hendo
THat rule has limited his ground and pound in SF. Of course Jake’s hands are a weak point but anyone who can take down Hendo, then transition to a dominant position like mount and remain there for the duration of a round deserves respect especially when his volume of punches is over 200.
He’s beaten Okami and would beat Kampmann, as good as Martin’s all-round game is he won’t be able to keep a fight with Jake standing and his BJJ will be neutralised by the superior grappler.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
kimbo and jake shields similaries
they were both in elite xc.
They are both men
Kimbo and jake shields differences:
everything else
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He did beat Dan Henderson..
…but I concur he is a boring fighter. Just what the UFC needs, another bathroom-break Fitch. No, what Dana did is like a chess move against the bush league that is Strikeforce. I predict that it won’t be around in 2011.
Minowaman forever
yeah gotta hate a boring fighter who decisioned his previous 2 fights
and finished his last 8, either by submission or tko.
Also: GTFO
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
8 previously before the 2 decisions
sorry i take back the GTFO for my own mistake
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
So he can stay? Or do you have to GTFO?
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
BT stays. Nick fish ... GTFO!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Goes without saying OJ.
You’re just trying to pump up your post numbers by even mentioning it.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Jay I figured you might want to put this in your spank bank
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
From yours to mine?
No way, I know how many times you’ve jerked off to this already. It would just seem weird, like jerking off using your dads old playboys. You know those pages didn’t come from the store stuck together.
No thanks.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
lol you can lie to me
but you can’t lie to yourself =P
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
OD
How long did it take you to photoshop that thing to your taste? Why does it seem like you have an extensive catalogue of naked men?
You’re the one stuck working in the middle of nowhere with a crew of lonely men. Don’t you dare try to project this gay shit on me.
:)
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
lol you gettin real defensive here Jay..
What is it you’re hiding?
And no I can’t take credit for that work; I don’t even have a photoshop program. It’s one of many by Dr. Obviously in a thread dedicated to MMA photoshops.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
link?
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Well I was gonna be greedy and horde all these to myself cause this thread is a gold mine
But I’ll share the love
http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=19775
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
thx
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That is a good site....lol
There will never replace Cro Cop, Wand or Fedor, fuck the Haters, stay loyal to your favourite fighters, win, lose or draw.
You're sick
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I don't understand the hate
He had two decisions against two very tough guys, and he’s garbage? Didn’t GSP just have two boring decisions?
What about the eight straight stoppages Shields had before Mayhem and Hendo?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Word. And the Mayhem fight wasn't even boring IMO.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
+1
Some bits got a bit boring but that was more Mayhem being a douche. I enjoyed the fight as a whole
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Jake could have finished that fight
But Mayhem just played Defense all night. It was just Jake trying to do stuff and Mayhem trying to stop him. I like when both fighters are trying to win, not one guy trying to win and the other guy trying to survive.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Mayhem was alos trying to force a stand-up with the histrionics on the ground, but...
he knew he was just going down again.
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thought that was a very entertaining fight
Miller almost finished him!
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That was the only offense MAyhem attempted though
And you’re right Mayhem almost caught him.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
There's a lot of people on this site and all other MMA sites that really hate the GG
They pretend to be MMA fans, but they are really knuckle-dragging neanderthals(sp?) wanting to see two rock-em sock-em robots go at it.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
That's why they think 166 is a stacked card. 3 rock-em sock-em matches on Saturday out of 5 on the main card
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116
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Agreed
What relevance does the Lytle fight have on anything? Nothing. But they think it’s a great fight because “Lytle comes to bang”.
I hate most fans.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Although to be fair MAtt Brown hasn't reached his full potential yet..
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
By continually fighting guys like Lytle, he never will.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
TRUTH
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
And I don't like Matt at all, so if he wants to continue fighting gatekeepers he can
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I don't think he will vere be more than a gatekeeper anyway
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
ever, not vere (?, wtf is that)
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
2 gatekeepers fighting each other?
But who’s minding the gate? Just messing
I actually don’t mind Lytle. Not that he’s goning far but I like watching him fight and after the sub finish in OZ, I hope he takes Brown down and subs him
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
6 gatekeepers fighting each other...
Bonnar (barely even a gatekeeper)
Soz (See Bonnar)
Leben (Gatekeeper)
Sexy (Gatekeeper)
Lylte (Gatekeeper)
Brown (See Bonnar)
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
You think Sex is gonna be a gatekeeper?
I don’t know will he be going for gold just yet but the fact he beat Belcher makes him somewhat legit imo
I know he controversially beat him but still. What’s you take on Belcher?
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Still VERY young (24?) and I had him beating Sexy.
When Lebem knocks him silly, you will see. Belcher laid hands on sexy pretty easily, Leben will too, but hits MUCH harder.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
but it takes him a full 10 seconds to throw a punch
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
rock-em sock-em will get one through. That's all he needs.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
yeah, he only needs 1 punch to land, righhht.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
lol, I submit, he is not that good, but he will hit Sexy
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Leben is a one-trick pony
if Akiyama gets suckered into standing infront and throwing down, yeah he’ll prolly get ko’d. just avoid doin that.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
IDK if he can get him down.
Simpson couldn’t and is a better takedown guy. Plus, Sexy stood with Belcher almost the whole fight.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
he can stand with Leben
just dont stand flat-flooted right infront of him and do nothing but throw punches. move, use kicks.
Akiyama wll get the takedown, and prolly submit him.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
Never knew Belcher was that young
I got him KOing Maia next as well
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Agreed, wish I could edit
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Some people would argue that.
Not me, but I remember a lot of guys saying they liked him.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I like him, but he is not a draw for me.
I don’t get upsate when I see him on a card, but it is not the determinate to watch.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
jesus I can't spell today!!!
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Lytle is a good example of a fighter who adapts his style to please the mainstream fans. He has admitted as much in the past. He is a tough gatekeeper/above average fighter.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Lytle's hands are wild, but he's definately above average
alot better than Leben
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
Not top 20 (where I draw my above average line for UFC fighters I want to see fight)
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top 20 in the weight class?
Lytle is an exciting fighter to watch. Sure, his defence sucks, his hands are a bit wild, but he comes to fight and he’s more than a one-trick pony.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
yes, in the weight class.
Maybe I am in a pissy mood because I think 116 is not a good card (but for Lesnar and Sot) and I am not completely rational, but there are 3 meaningless fights on this card with zero title implications for any of the 6 guys I listed somewhere on this thread.
I like Lytle, but he should be on TUF Finale’s and UFN’s
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Lytle's there to sell the card, not for title implications
and thats what DW cares about. I’d rather watch Lytle fight than Leben.
I agree with you, weak card. The main event is holding this event together.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
I agree 100%. He is well versed in BJJ from what I have read.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I remember hearing that
When he was fighting Hughes way back when and was hoping for a sub finish to put Hughes to sleep
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
I could take him or leave him
I don’t think he’ll go anywhere and I don’t think he has any talent that can’t be stopped by 60% of the UFC fighters.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
And on the other side of the spectrum...
Why does every fight have to be for a title or for contendership to be a fight worth watching? Yea I look forward to Lytle and Wand fights more than a lot of championship bouts depending on the match up; it doesn’t have to be for a belt to be worthwhile.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
OD - Speaking for myself, as long as the fighters involved display actual MMA or legit combat SKILLS then I agree with you. However, if it is 2 guys looking to swing wild because they don't know anything else then no thanks.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
AKA
Kimbo and the cans his fought? Skill is a factor needed to make the fight more interesting for me too.
Although I did enjoy the hail mary Scott Smith punch on Drago a few years back
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Jung vs Garcia will probably be fight of the year
And who’s gonna argue it shouldn’t be? No I don’t want to see a couple back yard bums throwing haymakers at eachother but I do like the fighters that take chances, throw caution to the wind and throw down.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It was entertaining. You have to be a corpse not to think otherwise but brawlers don't really represent MMA as a sport, IMO.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Not talking about the representation of MMA
I’m talking about what makes a fight relevant or worth while. Are either Jung or Garcia ever gonna beat Aldo, or even get a shot at Aldo? Probably not; but does that mean fans shouldn’t be excited or look forward to seeing these guys fight? They absolutley should.
And just cause it’s a title shot or a contender match doesn’t make it a good fight; it’s interesting because everyone wants to know who’s the best, who’s on top, who’s the man to beat. It automatically gets attention just cause of the title implications, but do those fights always deserve the attention? Sometimes, hell no.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
And a couple jits/wrestlers jockeying for position doesn't represent MMA either
It represents grappling.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Grappling is a part of MMA because it is a skill that needs to be acquired. Brawling needs no skill, thats why its not listed as a school of combat (obviously). I think MMA should be a sport and not a free for all like in the past.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
It is a sport
But just cause some guy wrestled in college or studied jits doesn’t make him a mixed martial artist either. A person that displays a competent ground game does not represent MMA, they’re just a grappler. Shields gets hate cause he’s a 1 dimensional fighter, him being a great grappler doesn’t suddenly make him a well rounded fighter. He’s just on the opposite side of the spectrum.
GSP gets hate cause people know he CAN get the KO or the TKO standing he just doesn’t want to take the chance.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
A grappler represents MMA far more as a sport than a brawler who wings his punches, even if they are boring. That't the difference, IMO. I do agree that GSP should take more chances but he was trying to finish his subs so his example does not apply.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
It applies in that his entire fight strategy relies on his ground game
His only goal was to get to the ground and stay there.
The guy throwing the haymakers is also trying to finish the fight so what’s the difference? They’re at opposite ends of the spectrum. There’s a lot more motion and footwork involved in a stand up fight. So I think grappling gets a pass as more technical cause it’s slower paced and the movements are more subtle. But if you got 2 guys banging it out on the feet for 3 rds vs 2 guys rolling on the canvas for 3 rds how is one a better representation of Mixed Martial arts than the other when they both only use 50% of the skills involved??
A 1 dimensional fight is a 1 dimensional fight; and it’s not surprising that most people will rate the slug fest over the grappling match cause there’s just more going on. It’s a faster paced style of fight that instills the feeling in the viewer that it could end very suddenly and violently at any moment.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You see brawlers (not strikers) as a more legit rep of MMA?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I'm saying I don't see how you guys are putting one above the other
as being truer to MMA when you’re talking about 2 different styles of 1 dimensional fights.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And yea for my $$ I'll take the brawl over the grappling match =P
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jul 1, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemer! Get the torches!
Haha, that’s fine but I will leave you with this final example:
Shields (BJJ) > Leben (Brawler)
Wand (Striker) > Leben (Brawler)
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jul 1, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields and Wand are too good to be mentioned in the same sentence as Leben
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
While I do like the stand up
I always prefer the submission. I thought Hazelette’s subs were class, especially the finish on Burkman.
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
until the front roll, I liked Hazlett...
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Same
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Yeah
Even I got embarrassed watching that. But I still look forward to seeing him fight again…..minus the rolls. Unless he turns it into a triangle. That’d be cool :P
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
never happen in the UFC, but it would be cool on KOTC when Hazlett gets dropped from the UFC
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
I know it's never happened but one can still hope ha
I don’t think he’ll be dropped just yet either. Depends who he fights next I suppose. Good test for Hathaway maybe but he’s last win will surely give him a bigger name
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
too low for Hathaway.
I like the Kampmann suggestions I have heard tossed about.
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Does make for a good fight
I’d give it to Kampmann. If he stuffs enough Hathaway would be screwed
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Front roll = losing fights
Miguel Torres tried one to open his fight with either Mizugaki or Tapia and look what’s happened to him since? The front roll is clearly cursed.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
We must warn others haha
Yeah he did it against Tapia. Called it the suicide kick funnily enough cause if ya miss, opponent gets free pass into your guard. Also if ya miss now…..it destroys your career. Did Tito try one at some point haha
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Harold Howard tried one and look at how that turned out
He became a laughing stock infamous for that stupid move, his goofy appearance and calling karate BJJ without submissions, with his biggest win coming by forfeit/Kimo beatdown. Now he’s getting beaten up in prison. The roll never works.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
JH, its called the idiocy factor.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't think he's garbage
But I don’t think he’s a world-beater. His BJJ is great, but his strinking and ground n pound are pathetic.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
by Johnny WF on Jul 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jon Fitch vs Jake Shields, make it happen. Coma patients will wake up just long enough to change the channel.
See what I mean?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
You hated seeing two of the top 5 MW's in the world fighting?
Is it because they didn’t stand and bang for you?
Does it get too complicated to understand what is happening when it goes to the ground?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Sheilds top 5???
I think Bisping punches harder
But this isn't a hardest punching contest
I think I punch harder than Shields. Means nothing.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Shields beat Hendo, Bisping almost got murdered by Hendo
That’s why Jake is top 5 and Bisping is arguably top 10. If rankings were decided by punching power then Leben would be number 1.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
Jared - Nothing wrong with those fights because it concentrated on the GG aspect of MMA. However, if you found it to be boring then that's ok, too. The skill exhibited by the fighters involved was significant and to be admired, IMO.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He punches like garbage, no doubt. He also put a world class wrestler on his back.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Facepalm at that comment
Well I actually enjoy watching quality grappling, the only problem I have is with people who call themselves MMA fans who bitch about watching a grappling clinic from a world class fighter.
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by David W-S on Jul 1, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jake will be a huge signing for the ufc!
finally another legit challenge for gsp.
id really like to see jake fight thiago alves, that would be a real interesting match up.
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i disagree
Shields lacks personality, and excitement sometimes, but he is a threat to anyone at 170/ 185…he manhandled hendo pretty handily after round 1,not many people have done that
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by salamagogo on Jul 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can only remember Big Nog having his way with Hendo, Jake did better.
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Im not hating on Shields
but GSP would dominate him. If the entire fight was just bjj, it would be close. but with stand-up, wrestling, GNP, its not even a challenge.
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i think gsp would win too
And I’ve never been a big shields fan..but his win streak, coupled with what he did to dan is very impressive…I tried to picture jake upsetting hendo and couldn’t, so was shocked and impressed to see him victorious
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by salamagogo on Jul 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was the only person i knew going for Shields
although i didnt really think he would win
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Damn right
Only me, 2 words and frosnt backed Jake. I’d say that was the best MMA moment of 2010 for me.
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not a threat to anyone....
he’s a poor man’s Maia
Hendo, Okami, Lawler, Mayhem, Semtex, Goat, Condit and Mach would disagree
And his wrestling is a lot better than Maia’s. No shame in not being as good at submissions as an ADCC world champion like Demian.
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No challenge
But at least it’s fresh. I rather watch him fight after KOS than the Alves/Fitch winner cause we’ve seen that already. Plus GSP may want to stand given Shields BJJ cred so he might finish him on the feet
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i think shields/fitch should happen
I’m pretty sure shields beat fitch in a grappling match years ago..there’s a vid of it on youtube. It would be interesting to see who could get it to the ground…it might end up taking place on the feet if they cancel eachother out wrestling wise…and for all the hate fitch gets..he did look a little better on the feet vs saunders, for the brief time they were standing, anyway
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by salamagogo on Jul 1, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I also think Shields coming to the UFC is a foregone conclusion.
And yeah, Shields fighting the winner of Fitch/Alves for next shot at the champ sounds right to me. He should fight and beat a contender before getting a title shot, and there’s no sense to have him on the shelf just waiting for Kos/GSP to sort itself out.
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I have met the guy 3 weeks ago (and trained with him), The guy is a genuinely nice guy and a good coach. If you are ok with sitting home and judging that’s your choice. If you want to meet some of these guys and train with them check out paradies warrior retreat.
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he basically needed just 2 more secs to lose to mayhem miller, then we arent having this discussion....
but since that didnt happen…
shields remains as a lay and pray boring fighter who cant finish…I am ok with lay n pray, but not when you can never finish.
UFC can take shields, I am so happy to not watch him on SF anymore.
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You Know What I hate About the Whole "LnP" Thing
People say GSP and Shields are boring, Fitch is boring, blah blah blah. All they do is TD and grind. TD and positional control. TD and lay. Well hey how about this maybe their opponents should train directly on TD defense, sprawl, knees, and how about submissions and sweeps from your back. How about bring Wilson Reis in to teach you the most beautiful half guard sweep I have ever seen in MMA. How about bring in quick athletic guys to train knee/sprawl with. So that way you dont have any excuses.
If you dont like how they fight…. stop them
If only it was that easy....
You know the score man, that stuff takes time. It must be VERY difficult to learn to escape a top notch wrestler who approaches a fight with a smothering gameplan.
I’d prefer to see these guys look to use there wrestling to setup a finish rather than just grinding. Cuts both ways
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. But If You Cant Handle It
Then dont fight that fighter. Believe me if I knew GSP would take me down and grind me with no chance of me winning I would wait to take that fight til I felt I can. Guys that say LnP are boring are guys that dont understand how dominating these guys are and if your in their division you need to be ready for it
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats a difficult one tho
Would Hardy have turned his title fight down with GSP? No way, he crammed his gg as much as he could and managed to defend to a boring decision. His stock has went up considerably because of the heart he showed whilst GSP came in for criticism from a lot of people.
LnP is boring, there’s no real argument there. As much as you can criticise a guy for not being able to work his way out from a dominant smothering wrestler, you can blame the same wrestler for not advancing his skills enough to learn how to use that advantage to finish the fight.
Yes i’m talking Fitch, I really liked him a few years ago but he hasn’t progressed much at all since then. GSP has started fighting safe and has lost his killer instinct in his last few fights. Even his gnp isnt as sharp s it was in the second BJ fight. How come he never tried that with Hardy? Shields has improved his hands a little recently but he’s still a grappler, no doubt.
I can see both sides of the argument but surely as a fighter you know that the key to earning BIG bucks is not only being a dominant fighter but also being entertaining. Casual fans generate the big PPVs
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You Have Good Points
But Hardy should never have had to Cram. This is MMA. He should have been training to be well rounded his entire career.
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We probably both know he wasn't the most legit contender for GSP tho
Hell, i love Hardy and I can say that. He was at least 12 to 18 months away from fighting that calibre of opponent. He took his opportunity and he’s in a better place because of it. He claims he knows exactly what he needs to improve now.
Sometimes being super tough and very confident mentally can make a fighter less prone to spend the hard time in the gym on their weaknesses. Hopefully this was a wake up call for Hardy. I guess this is proving my point about fighters concentrating on their strengths only rather than their weaknesses….
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 1, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And you proving yours ironically!
I love a happy ending
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Condit will be a good opponent to see how Dan's ground game has progressed post GSP
Though considering how sloppy Carlos’ striking defence is at times I wouldn’t be surprised if Dan dropped him before we got the chance to see them grapple.
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Thats a great fight
Really looking forward to it
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jul 2, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He probably is well-rounded anyway. Training for a GSP takedown is a different thing altogether.
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Well Rounded Means Ready For Anything
Ready to grapple, ready to clinch, ready to strike, ready to defend the strike, ready to take down, ready to defend a takedown , ready to be taken down, ready to roll, ready to be submitted, ready to submit, etc.
GSP is one of a kind that he excels in just about everything. and Why? because he trains in everything all the time
by AintNoSunshine on Jul 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is the symbol of MMA
I’m amazed that more people don’t cross train with the best like he does, he may be a freak athlete but he’s also a very hard worker.
I’m surprised that more of the British fighters don’t train with the quality boxers in this country, at Roger Gracie’s BJJ school or either travel abroad or bring in quality foreign grapplers. That would make a huge difference to the standards of MMA over here.
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Wow, yet another piss poor Jake Shields joke
If you’re going to bash the guy at least come up with something clever.
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looks like strike force wanted to keep the upper hand ..
I am sure Shields would have told them that he is going to ufc and before he could officially announce it, strike force went ahead and made this move … just a guess but i think its spot on.
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the guy has the worst gnp i have ever seen. don’t get me wrong he is great everywhere else.
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