Gary Shaw: 'The UFC made a huge mistake by cutting Kimbo Slice'
by Jesse Holland on Jun 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
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"I think the UFC made a huge mistake. Once again Dana's ego has gotten in the way. I think Kimbo Slice could be a draw wherever he goes around the world. I think they matched him up wrong. I would have put him in against just stand-up fighters. I would have built to a pay-per-view with James Toney. My way of doing business is obviously different than Dana's and the UFC. I don't knock them -- they got a great product and make a ton of money so God bless them, but I sure wouldn't have promoted Kimbo Slice like they did and I hope Kimbo comes around and gets in a boxing ring with me."
Former Elite XC boss and the man who made Kimbo Slice a heavyweight attraction, Gary Shaw, doesn't agree with the UFC's decision to cut the backyard brawler after his UFC 113 loss to Matt Mitrione earlier this year. Kimbo was bounced out of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10 by tournament winner Roy Nelson and despite a decision win over the fleet-footed Houston Alexander, the UFC perhaps felt his age and inability to make significant progress made it clear that he was not suited for MMA's big leagues. Shaw points to a failure of match-making and not skill while holding out hope that Slice will return to his stable as a boxer. Can the duo make another run (or another paycheck) in the sweet science? Or has the ship already sailed on their respective careers?
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promote the shit out of a talentless fighter. this guy serious? Elite Xc tried this remember.
JESUS!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
WOW
This guy has the recipe for success. I mean, look at where it got him! Nobody cares what you think jackass!!!!
by LJ. on Jun 7, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Scumbag Shaw matched Kimbo up against a real MMA guy, offered some financial encouragement to him to keep it standing, and Kimbo still got KTFO in 13 seconds.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
"My way of doing business is obviously different than Dana's"
No shit, Dana like to stay in business. Plus Matt Mitrione is a stand up fighter you moron. Don’t be mad that your main draw was a bottle level guy that didn’t belong in the UFC.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Gary who?
He had his shot with Kimbo and we all know how that turned out. Stick to boxing fatso. Kick that shit head kid of yours in the ass while you’re at it.
How appropriate that Hulk Hogan is in the background for a Kimbo match.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i love it! he knowes hes fucked and his reaction is priceless.
hey you leave hogan alone!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 7, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
spit a lil Italian in her ear n she's all your Roberto....
E propio una Troya!
Uh oh, now I . . .
KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER.
Disclaimer: I didn’t think her face was that bad. But I haven’t looked at enough photos to make up my own mind.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
spill the story johnny boy
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 7, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not funny! this is the 1st time I ever admitted!
None of you better dare post it on FB…..I have been denying it from my friends for the past year! lol….SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
So true.
By the way, where is Gary Shaw right now? No Where. Nothing screams of credibility like Gary Shaw talking about MMA promotion. That is like Yoko Ono talking about how she was responsible for the Beatles longevity.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Umm... Gary?
Thats why Dana cut him because he could only match him up vs guys that are just stand up guys that doesnt use leg kicks. He wants MMA fighters who can be match up’d vs anyone and to be well rounded.
And
The UFC is for the best fighters in the world, it doesn’t matter who they are. If you are going out of your way to book against a specific type of opponent you have already gone outside of the idea of the best in the world.
Ringling Bros is for the best show on earth, leave the UFC for fighters.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
What a DUMBASS
There is a reason Elite XC failed, wonder why?
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
so dumb
Gary Shaw has no business saying what he would do with Kimbo, he had his chance and failed right out of business. Also, making a totally dumb comment stating why didn’t the ufc match Kimbo up with just stand-up fighters?? Are u kidding me That is what the ufc did and Kimbo still couldn’t hack it. I like Kimbo but he just is not a mma fighter. He definitely has the look and persona that can captivate people but he is not a high level fighter.
Old enough to know better, young enough to enjoy it...
by DrunkenStyle on Jun 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Glaring example of what an MMA company does differently than Circus shows.
Gary Shaw is a pimple on MMA’s ass. I hope someone pops him soon.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Shaw
is unfamiliar with the word integrity.
With that being said, Dana should have never signed Kimbo in the first place.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I Dont Agree
I think Dana did the right thing by bringing in Kimbo. Now haters cant say Dana never brought him in, Dana showed the mainstream world he was if anything an average mma fighter and didnt belong in the big leagues.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
You hit the nail on the head. Pre-TUF10, everyone kept saying how great Kimbo was and it’d be great if he could fight UFC fighters. Dana just exposed him and showed exactly what would happen to Kimbo against even the lowest HWs in the UFC. It sucks, but that’s business.
The only people who kept saying that Kimbo was great are the same people dropping 50-60 bucks for a t-shirt with silver swirls on them. Take that for what its worth.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the ufc used kimbo's draw perfectly
they exposed him for what he is (thus proving dana’s original assement of kimbo)and meanwhile he attracted millions of viewers to TUF (an otherwise boring season of overweight, gassed-out heavies) which lead to rashad-rampage doing the ppv numbers that they did. pretty brilliant actually.
Its not "brilliant" when you take advantage of morons.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
they didnt take advantage of anyone
kimbo’s a grown man with his very own big boy management team and they signed on for TUF and then to fight for the UFC. the UFC very wisely used his drawing power to promote their product. kimbo was paid his contracted amount, how exactly was anyone taken advantage of?
"the ufc used kimbo's draw perfectly ... meanwhile he attracted millions of viewers to TUF "
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
right..
so how is he a victim? he got paid for doing is job, the last time i checked the UFC is not a non-profit. are they not allowed to make $$?
and also
how is kimbo a moron? the guy managed to translate mediocre (that’s being pretty generous) fighting ability into becoming a millionaire. he must be a pretty big idiot..
There are plenty of millionaire idiots. K-Fed is one example. Lindsay Lohan is another (I shudder to mention their names). But of course, there are heaps of unknowns as well.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
my point is
kimbo, thru a carfeully crafted marketing campaign made himself out to be a killer when he is really anything but.. k-fed just married a rich celebrity, kimbo made his own money as a self-made media creation, there’s a difference, a big one
kimbo, thru a carfeully crafted marketing campaign made himself out to be a killer when he is really anything but
Kimbo was the first one to be deceived about this. He thought otherwise.
I wouldn’t go so far as to call Kimbo something close to a marketing genius. Miley Cyrus is a self-made media creation too, but she’s a puppet on a string. How is he more of a marketing guru than she is? She sings. He fights. Both are mediocre talents.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
he plays the part of the badass
about as well as anyone in the business partially because he probably believes his own hype but nevertheless…
On another note, just thinking about it, it’s funny looking at it from another perspective in regard to Kimbo’s popularity. Is it safe to say every hardcore fan was never on the Kimbo bandwagon?
I don’t mean I didn’t like him, but I just saw him as that guy who I saw fight on the Internet years ago, nothing more. It’s funny how he’s such a media magnet lately when I never even realized he was so popular to the ignorant, casual fans as he is.
It just shows how deceptive mainstream media is, how they can just control people who just feed from their misinformation and follow like sheep.
We’re all susceptible, just some less than others.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
i was never a kimbo fan
but i know plenty of people who were, saying oh you gotta see this guy he’s crazy, they bought the hype
Yeah it’s funny, because I—thankfully—never witnessed it first hand. All of a sudden I hear that people were going crazy about him. It’s really weird. I don’t get it.
Alos, I’m not criticizing anyone who was rooting for the guy, I’m just saying how it’s weird people gobbled up the bullshit that was shovelled down their throats.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
they ate it up like filet mignon
and for his part kimbo did a good job of selling it, that’s all i’m saying, i know kimbo is not albert einstein just saying that he’s a shrewder business man than most would give credit for
Maybe. I can’t say I’m certain, but I got the impression the guy is just riding the Wave of Opportunity and I don’t fault the guy for it. I don’t even consider him a joke like everyone else does because I just see a guy with mediocre MMA talents who isn’t good enough to stay in the UFC.
And just like many other guys who get cut, he still has an opportunity to come back, if he improves. But I doubt it.
In comparison with all the hype, I can see how some see him as a joke though.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
"It just shows how deceptive mainstream media is, how they can just control people who just feed from their misinformation and follow like sheep." Thank you, Jack.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks be to you, OJR :)
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
i buy the hype of kimbo as a stand up fighter for 1 round, i thought he could make it after TUF but his cardio still sucks..
the kimbo thing wasn’t someone taking advantage of anything, kimbo became a millionaire off some idiot trying to take advantage of HIM, the ufc didn’t take advantage of an effing thing either they hired a guy who WANTED to fight, who came in to prove dana white wrong and he actually did, he had more balls than fedor because when he was called out he stepped up and took a pay cut that none of us would have been willing to take..
so calling kimbo anything before calling fedor names would be ridiculous at least he had the balls to do it
by randy murders on Jun 8, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That's like me exposing that water is indeed wet. OJR = brilliance.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And I guarantee you could find a moron, or two, to believe you were wrong. :)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Yeah!
Water ain’t always wet you dang fools.
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
OMG dude.....
Water is liquid H2o
Dry Ice is Frozen Co2
Rethink your post
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Oh my God!
I just got owned in front of everybody while all I wanted is make people laugh.
BTW people, Punch-hoe just had one of his fanposts deleted. I think he may have taken a few liberties with the truth. Kevjack fell for it in a comment I’m not about to forget. I think I’ll have to make a fanpost about it. Who else saw that?
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
I agree with you, Mexi.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana gave him Houston Alexander and Matt Mitrione...
The only two guys who are close to Kimbo’s level in ability and will (theoretically) bang with him. Obviously, the Alexander fight didn’t go as planned, but it’s not like Kimbo wasn’t working for takedowns of his own. Were they supposed to feed him to Pat Barry? C’mon. The fact that Kimbo even made it into the UFC says a lot. Everyone knew he couldn’t hack it.
If a fighter has zero chance of ever competing with anyone in the top 10 in the division, then what purpose does he serve? Dana is about making big fights that matter.. real MMA fans have no interest in watching Kimbo Slice on a PPV card.
"real MMA fans have no interest in watching Kimbo Slice on a PPV card." Exactly.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thats what i was thinking
“i would put him in against just stand up fighters”
houston and mitrione!
this guy trying to tell dana how to do business is laughable.
live simply.
by Newfie3 on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A noob friend of mine who never watches MMA saw this fight and has not come back since...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
one of the best fights off-all tiiiiimmmmmeeeeeeee. lmao!
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2/1 odds on that too.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutting Kimbo when they could have kept squeezing the juice out of his hype, if anything, gives the UFC more credibility. They put the sport and the quality of their rosters before a gimmick. In Gary Shaw’s position, he would milk that baby for all it’s worth because he has no fighting brand, he has no value in MMA—he has nothing.
This Gary Shaw clown is the equivalent of a D-grade movie director criticizing the techniques of Martin Scorcese.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I think if they
did give him Pat Barry, Joe Silva might have caught a manslaughter charge.
I'm your huckleberry.
by Brizzle T on Jun 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, Gary
The UFC could’ve tried that… you know, like you did. I’m sure Tank, Ken and Bo are still free. Unfortunately, this is MMA and not every fighter is gonna stand with you. The two fighters Kimbo just fought stood with him. Mitrione was lighting him up standing and, when it went to the ground, was threatening with subs constantly. Kimbo’s a nice guy and all, but you can’t baby his career forever. I don’t blame Dana for cutting Kimbo. There was zero chance of him fighting any of the top guys in the division and he wasn’t willing to cut to LHW. Add in the arthritis in his knees and he wasn’t going to compete for too long. It made sense to cut Kimbo.
I think they matched him up wrong. I would have put him in against just stand-up fighters.
Oh really? So Ken Shamrock is a stand up fighter?
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
lol
Good point prokstar!
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
I wish Gary Shaw and his coke head daughter Jared
would drive off a cliff and do the world a favor.
by SS Mighty Dubaya on Jun 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
i still want to see kimbo vs toney after randy shuts his mouth up.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2/1 odds on that too.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 7, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ridiculous...
“I think the UFC made a huge mistake. Once again Dana’s ego has gotten in the way. I think Kimbo Slice could be a draw wherever he goes around the world. I think they matched him up wrong. I would have put him in against just stand-up fighters. I would have built to a pay-per-view with James Toney. My way of doing business is obviously different than Dana’s and the UFC. I don’t knock them — they got a great product and make a ton of money so God bless them, but I sure wouldn’t have promoted Kimbo Slice like they did and I hope Kimbo comes around and gets in a boxing ring with me.”
He did put him in there against stand-up fighters. And Kimbo still gassed against Houston Alexander, and lost to Matt Mitrione. While I probably would have kept Kimbo in there to try and squeeze at least one more fight out of him, I don’t think you can fault Dana too much for cutting him. He didn’t look impressive losing against Roy Nelson, only looked against Houston because Houston didn’t show up to fight, and lost to someone with less MMA experience than himself. The Kimbo experiment is a failed one.
Looks like Gary Shaw just opened up a business for financial advice.
Shaw Financial Advice LLC… hmm I might give him a try.
Ufc is the ultimate proving grounds for THE BEST fighters
But they have have boring assed lay and pray guys dominating and even more boring strikers(Anderson) at the top of the heap. Its the brawls that fans love but the best entertainers arent usually contenders. so why not keep kimbo for what he is and have the best of both worlds?
anyone gonna comment on shaw trying to get kimbo to box?
That’s the strangest part for me, yes dana could have milked the kimbo hype to get some young guns over on televised prelims and nab some ratings to boot, but dana preffered to win some of the hardcores back so it makes sense. As for kimbo boxing???? That sounds like the worse idea I’ve ever heard. He could still make money in mma by picking the right fights in strikeforce or japan where they’ll let him choose whover he wants or he can cash in with wwe/tna, but boxing? You have to be out of your fucking mind…
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jun 7, 2010 5:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Herschel Walker vs. Kimbo Slice
Scott Coker, (on MMAWeekly Radio ) "Herschel will be fighting in Strikeforce again. I think we’re going to do something in the fall with him,"
I feel it coming- Kimbo vs Walker, Shaw could milk that matchup for everything its worth. That match would probably even make the cover of ESPN magazine- If you were into making money that would be a moneymaker.
Greg Nagey gets Loser….
"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
- General George Patton Jr -
correction, yes I know Shaw is not Coker - but they can milk it together
"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
- General George Patton Jr -
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