Frankie Edgar: 'If I was Gray Maynard, I'd be upset that BJ Penn got an immediate rematch' (Video)
by James Kimball on Jun 30, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
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It was such a close fight
and BJ was champ for so long he deserves the immediate re-match.
Who was Tank Abbott's Protégé?
by ChuckMastaCheese on Jun 30, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
Maynard Did Nothing Vs Diaz To Warrant A Title Match
If you lose a round to Nate then your not ready for BJ. And besides he has his chance. If he beats Florian its now his title shot.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 30, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Not So Much That...
I totally get what you are saying, but I think the point is Gray is still undefeated (exciting or not) and he is the ONLY person to beat Edgar. In my opinion Gray should have had 1st crack and BJ should have had to get in at least 1 rebound fight. Chuck was a longtime champ, Urijah was champ forever and neither got an immediate rematch when they lost their belt.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
The Controversy is what did it
like Machida-Rua. Alot of people felt BJ won and right fully so.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 30, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
B-level BJ should have beat Frankie. Next up, A-level and domination.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
check out what BJ thinks
kinda pissed that Frankie wanted to fight Maynard instead of BJ.. I think both guys beat Frankie, he was the better man that night, but I see a one sided domination coming up in Boston!
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/6/30/1545516/ufc-118-preview-b-j-penn-talks
fuuuuuck it won't play on this computer
Any chance anyone could give me a run down of what BJ says in that video?
Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
Gray should be upset that he's a boring ass fighter!!!
FEDOR WON'T FIGHT ANYONE IN THE TOP 5 EVER AGAIN !!!
Wrong.
Chuck and Urijah lost DECISIVELY as well as GSP. That fight with BJ and Frankie was a bogus decision.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
R.I.P. Dime.
The fight was unanimous with one judge giving Edgar all 5 rounds. How was this fight a robbery again?
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Because It Was No Way Near a 50-45 decision
I can see how they score it for Frankie but 48-47 at best.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 30, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so one ref scored it 50-45(which I agree is bullshit), but the other 2 refs scored it for Edgar as well.
The only thing controversial about the decision was that 50-45 score, not the winner.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Nope
It was a controversial decision, most pro’s after the fight had it scored for BJ.
It was easily as bad as Shogun/Machida, and I think Shogun/Machida set precedent for immediate rematches for bad decisions.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Your point is mostly valid
But regarding Faber, he’s had a stretch where every other fight is for the title. While that clearly doesn’t constitute “immediate rematch”, the rebound fights were basically just a formality, a formality the UFC has chosen to dispense with.
by The real Philo on Jun 30, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
shut your pie hole Frank!
enjoy the belt for it will not be yours for long………….
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
Maynard got screwed.
Even though it was a close fight, BJ lost it because he fought like he didn’t give a rat’s ass. I don’t know if Frankie deserved the win with his performance, but BJ definitely deserved the loss with his half-hearted effort. And yes, Gray Maynard should have had first crack, since he’s the only guy with a win over Frankie and was already the No 1 contender. BJ shouldn’t get a free ticket back to the title when nobody else does (it wasn’t a controversial fight like Shogun/Machida.) Rampage/Forrest was closer and more controversial, and Rampage didn’t get a rematch.
50-45 for Frankie isn't controversial? Wasn't that judge from Jersey too. Okay...
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
Horrible Judging. No Way Frankie Won Every Round
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 30, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Conspiracy?
Isn’t it convenient this rematch landed in Jersey, home of Edgar?
"A man that does not fall, does not stand up."
Thats bull. Bj wont let the judges decide the fight this time.
Bj has the power & skills to finish this fight.
If frankie wins again it will be by another controversial 50-45 bullshit scorecard.
I agree
BJ finishes this time. Rumors were he wasn’t feeling well last fight.
"A man that does not fall, does not stand up."
Those werent rumors they were excuses.
And BJ started them.
by captainStevo on Jun 30, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
50-45 may have been a bullshit score, but 2 other judges gave it to Edgar also. I've seen much more controversial decisions. What the fuck ever BJ fans.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
“Isn’t it convenient this rematch landed in Jersey, home of Edgar?”
by xquisitewretch on Jun 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You, clearly.
“the last fight was in Jersey no?”
Abu Dhabi is in New Jersey now?
And like xquisitewrench said, the REMATCH isn’t in jersey either.
lol
I thought of that after (abhu dhabi) but instead of correct it I figured I’d give some of you ammo to jump on me
UFC does well no matter where it goes....
they dont need Frankie’s home town to fix a fight..Penn winning and fighting a 170 pounder on this card still sells tickets in NJ, just like he did in Philly
The reason BJ is getting a immediate rematch is because,
Frankies win wasnt convincing. Dana White and the UFC know that & set up the rematch
UNANIMOUS decision. Not split, UNANIMOUS. Sounds convincing enough. It's cool to just admit it's about money.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
If Grey didn't want to fight BJ for the title why should he get one agaisn't Frankie?
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
Nobody
generally speaking, wants to see Gray in a title fight. He’s just not gonna sell PPVs, so there you have it.
I'm your huckleberry.
^^^worst selling title fight of all time^^^
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
If I were Frankie
I might be worried. BJ is coming for you, and not the good kind.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Argue until you are blue PB, He still lost.
although 50-45 IS absurd.
How’s Hawaii these days?
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At least she should make it not so obvious.
It is great to be a fan, but come back as the 18 year-old girl that you are and stop trolling everything BJ. We will not crucify you for trying, we will crucify you for trying too hard.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
I did too, but don't blame the judges
Frankie came to fight and BJ put in a half-hearted effort and didn’t seem to give a flip about the fight, so I don’t mind the judges rewarding Frankie for his agression and persistence and penalizing BJ for taking a night off.
Plus, I think the UFC wasted a golden opportunity to let the title be interesting again for a little while. Wouldn’t it be nice to have title matches that realistically seem like they could go either way for a change instead of one-sided mismatches we’ve had for the past couple years in the 3 lighter divisions! They could still make big money off BJ fighting a rubber match with Hughes while Edgar & Maynard fight and Kenny takes on the winner. Then maybe, just maybe, the winner of those 3 might seem like a legitimate threat to BJ and make for an exciting title fight.
I am sure that being a GSP fan has nothing to do with your prediction, right?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
or maybe BJ loses and BJ.com implodes
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
oh, I can only dream...
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Why did you post a bunch of videos of BJ looking flat footed and lethargic
We already know that is why he lost.
by captainStevo on Jun 30, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I think Frankies probably a lil upset BJ got the rematch haha.
50-45 was totally inaccurate but I still had Frankie winning 3 rounds to 2
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
it was definitely close
and even as one of the biggest Penn fans, when I heard 50-45, I knew he lost and didnt have a problem with the decision
you check out the Penn.com fanpost? Penn is off base imo
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
depends Mac
If Frankie told the UFC he’d rather fight Maynard than BJ (which Im assuming he did, why else would Penn say this) than I think it’s fine. Why would you want to fight the most boring fighter in the division over arguably the best ever in the division who you realistically barelty beat and can try to prove you beat handily by beating him again. If it’s speculation (again, I doubt it) then I agree with you mac
I respect that Frankie preferred to fight Maynard. He already beat Penn, it’s not like he’s duckign him. maynard is the harder fight for him stylistically and if he beats Maynard he avenges his only career loss and becomes the undisputed champion.
lmao...seriously?
BJ had an off night and Frankie won, but to say Maynard is a harder fight is crazy in my opinion!
its a harder fight for Edgar I think...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
apparently not for Edgar...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
remember? he beat Penn and lost decisively to Maynard
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
cmon mac
I’m very realistic when speaking about GSP, so do the same with Penn. You could tell from the get go BJ wasn’t himself that night. If you can honestly tell me you don’t think BJ is the best LW I’ll respect that, but I really can’t see how you don’t acknowledge that. When Serra beat GSP, I may have enjoyed it, but even i said that was lightning in a bottle!
realistic? LMAO!!! He lost fair and square. Styles make fights dude. I shouldn't have to explain this to you
BJ probably will beat Frankie but Gray’s strength and wrestling is too much for Frankie…BJ will stand and trade and give Frankie the same opportunity to win again….GSP’s loss wasn’t the same and I agree that it was lightning in a bottle. BJ had 5 full rounds to put Frank away and couldn’t. I’m not saying BJ will lose agian but Gray is a harder fight for Frank imo
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
fair enough
I know he lost fair and square, and unlike most Penn fans, I had no issues with the decision. I’m not into excuses either, but as I said the same night as the fight, I could tell something was wrong with BJ during his ring entrance. Gray is tough for anyone because of his style, I’ll give you that too. I think in a rematch Gray beats edgar again, but couldn’t touch Penn…and thats why mmath doesn’t work!
it doesn't work but that doesn't change what could happen...
its weird cause I think we, being the first real MMA fans, forget these guys age…it happens to great fighters…like Chuck for example. I’m not saying BJ is even close to being done with MMA but he’s bound to slow down a little right? Guys figure them out. They watch sooo much film, develop these gameplans, come in hungry, young, fast, ready to go and nothing to lose. Frankie has said many times that BJ is the best LW ever….and we all agree. That takes a lot of pressure off I think. It happened to Fedor, it happened to Penn, and it will hapeen to GSP, and Silva too.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Jesus..
Dude, Mac. Please. Just stop. You’re really trying too hard on this one.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
R.I.P. Dime.
what kinda name is xxBAxx816??
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
This
response tells me everything else I need to know. LMAO.
Zinnggggg!!!!!!111
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
R.I.P. Dime.
I agree.
Frankie was exposed by Maynard to be lacking in the wrestling department. When a guy is as good as you, but much bigger, you tend to lose (see Lesnar/Carwin Saturday).
BJ has nowhere near the freestyle wrestling of either Edgar or Maynard. Hence, harder match-up stylistically for Edgar. BJ is a counter puncher who wasn’t fast enough to hit Edgar solidly halfway into round 3, so he lost.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
Lesnar.
Carwin just recently went above 265 to cut down. When he came into the UFC, from what I understood, he didn’t cut ANY weight. Lesnar was walking around at 290 then, but actually now, I think he said he is cutting little to no weight for this fight, so just place in whoever you want because I am kinda dumb right now. :)
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
touche, matching my future prognostications. Well played sir, well played.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
LOL I didn't know what else to say. You did make a good point.
I just think B.j. is that good, but who knows. I do think that B.j. has a better chance to finish him than Gray does. I hope Gray won be decision bc I look like atard if not!
FEDOR WON'T FIGHT ANYONE IN THE TOP 5 EVER AGAIN !!!
I was going too, but didn't know all of them. Where can I get the odds on every fight?
FEDOR WON'T FIGHT ANYONE IN THE TOP 5 EVER AGAIN !!!
Maynard beat Edgar by decision. An ugly boring take down/do nothing decision.
And I agree that BJ is the best 155 in the world, but Frankie has the tools to beat him again. If Maynard is a bad match-up for Edgar, Edgar is a badf match-up for BJ.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
everybody's got their kryptonite.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
boobs for me. I haven't had an A or B cup since 10 years old.
Left to Right – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (happy Canada Day) Don’t bet against BZ. The next 4 nights of my life are sure to leave me with PTSD. When Fedor loses – I loses.
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Doc: You know what they say: People in glass houses sink sh-sh-ships.
Rocco: Doc, I gotta buy you, like, a proverb book or something. This mix'n'match shit's gotta go.
Doc: What?
Connor: A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
Murphy: And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.
mine's styrofoam
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I love..
how everybody forgets about BJ’s bad ass BJJ game just because his boxing is so insane. BJ also is bigger than Frank and can easily bully him.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
R.I.P. Dime.
Then apparently BJ's a fucking nitwit for how he fought last fight.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
He still outsruck him..
on an off night.
Undisputed Sig Bet Champion on the TitoOrtiz/Fight Pros forums!!
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
R.I.P. Dime.
Bjs Ground Game Is FAR AND AWAY
better then Edgar. unfortunately we never got to see it.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 30, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I had Penn losing this fight and IMO wasn't even close. And I'm a big fan!
I also think that Penn was off for some reason. You could just tell, even before the fight started.
FEDOR WON'T FIGHT ANYONE IN THE TOP 5 EVER AGAIN !!!
Thank you BOW, I'm getting tired of this "controversial decision" nonsense. The only thing controversial was the 50-45, not the outcome.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Well, if you want to look at it that way...
If I was Gray Maynard, I’d be upset that the guy I beat got a title shot before me.
Of course, that fight against Nate Diaz probably had a lot to do with that as well.
I’m not a big fan of immediate rematches, but this is a case where I think it’s applicable. That was a very close fight, with some ridiculous scores from the judges.
I agree
It’s rare that I agree with immediate rematches. In the case of a title fight and a dominant champ losing, I agree with it!
rematch
from a BJ Fan, BJ lost the last 2 rounds CLEARLY in my opinion. Edgar pushed the pace and dictated the fight. However, BJ clearly won the first 2 rounds and with a close 3rd round, I think BJ took it.
In my opinion, a champion doesn’t loose his belt in a close decision. How the judges scored the fight the way they did is crazy. I think MMA needs some new judges. All 5 rounds for Edgar??? Someone pointed out above, if you watch the fight closely, especially the exchanges, Frankies strikes were glancing at best , but they were quick and difficult to score.
I almost fell off my couch when they were announcing the judges decision when I heard 50-45 Edgar………… Tony Soprano involved in that some how????
Any Maynard didn’t want to take a fight against BJ…….said he wasn’t ready. Edgar gets the shot vs BJ, should why would Edgar fight Maynard for the title……..when you have a guy who hasn’t lost in 8 years in that division……asking for a rematch after loosing his belt by a close decision.
Edgar could fight at 145, BJ has fought and won at 170…..no reason BJ should just take him down and beat the shit out of him and call it a night………..
I think BJ had an injury or some other issue....
He just looked lethargic (like the last GSP fight) and his knee was wrapped with no explanation. He basically sat in the middle of the ring and show no good movement making me thing his knee was injured. I think the UFC showed their appreciation of him not pulling out of the fight on the Abu Dhabi card and that along with how close the fight was, created the immediate rematch.
Could be a different fight this time around but I still think Frankie is pretty game and he’s got a nice all around game. Looking forward to the rematch.
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