Fedor's first real loss to Fabrico Werdum comes via triangle armbar on June 26 in Strikeforce
The world of mixed martial arts has been forever changed.
Fabricio Werdum has accomplished a feat that 28 fighters before him could not. He handed former PRIDE Heavyweight Champion Fedor Emelianenko his first real loss.
And "The Last Emperor" did most of the work.
After an initial flurry that put "Vai Cavalo" butt-first on the mat, an overly aggressive Emelianenko rushed in for the kill -- against one of the sport's most decorated grapplers.
The Russian made a rare error in judgment.
Werdum was not dazed, nor was he tired. He just happened to lose his legs while defensively backpedaling. Simply put, he was just as fresh and coherent as he was the moment he entered the cage.
And Fedor was in his world.
Emelianenko wanted a finish and he got one. But if the single, angry tap from the wrong side of a slick triangle/armbar was any indication, he was just as upset about his predicament as his legions of fans.
Now the Brazilian moves on to face Alistair Overeem for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship while Fedor returns home to lick his wounds and figure out his next move.
He has but one fight remaining on his Strikeforce contract.
While it's too early to play matchmaker, the loss could re-ignite thoughts of retirement -- or it could motivate him to come back stronger than ever.
The future is unclear, as is the state of the divisional and pound-for-pound rankings. Does Fedor's first loss in nine-and-a-half years send him tumbling down the top ten list? Or does he hold strong in the top five?
That's a matter of debate, but no question the man once thought of as invincible has now been exposed as flesh and blood. Fedor Emelianenko has been defeated.
But has his legacy? That's for you to decide. Let's hear what you have to say about this shocking turn of events in the comments section below.
The floor is yours.
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I feel bad for Fedor.
You have all these idiots who were just waiting to discredit him, and this will give them their ammo.
Yes, Fedor lost.. Everyone does sooner or later.. And I personally don’t think he would of beat Ubereem anyway(Fedor has been on a decline recently). But to not allow the man to go out with his head held high, for one of the greatest careers in MMA history is a little disrespectful to say the least. The man has accomplished so much and let’s not forget, is still top 3-5 EASILY.
Fedor deserves everyone’s respect, whether your a fan or not.
He has been on the decline lately
and so has everyone he’s fought. He is a legend. What he did in Pride no one can take that away from him but he’s fought B level fighters since Pride was bought out and yet he is still this god in so many people’s mind.
Is he really on the decline or did he make
a tactical error. I have a hard time believing that if they fought again it would be the same outcome. I believe this fight to be Fedor’s wake up call.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point...
I wanted to cry when I saw him go into Werdum’s guard.
tactical error for sure anything else would be retarded to bring up after this loss.
Werdum’s lost many more times than Fedor, it’s not like he’s a better fighter he’s just the best BJJ player at HW and if u go all wild like Fedor did last night ur going to get submitted..
USA All the way !
On the decline, I believe. Too much experience for it to be a wake up call. Sorry but I think he has deteriorated.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
IDK. Like I said, full credit to Werdum but I saw flaws in Fedor's game when he fought Rogers. I think age and wear/tear have taken their toll.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Age+ complacency
You can’t go undefeated that long and not have it effect you mentally. How can you possibly stay sharp and keep any sort of edge?
He's not that old guys... come on.
Like I’ve said plenty of times. AS is older than Fedor but nobody talks about him slowing down. He’s being asked to move up and down in weight classes for better fights. He got complacent… he spent a lot of his time talking about the UFC rather than his fight with Werdum. That shows where his head was. I’m sure he was pretty confident Werdum was no threat to him at all.
Fedor has been in alot of wars whereas AS has not. Going on 34 is old if your body has taken damage. That being said, complacency is a fair point.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
that aside....
What are they gonna muster up for a PPV now? Werdum vs Overeem is not a good seller….
No it is not a good seller
Strikeforce is fucked.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I hope they somehow make Fedor/Overeem fight next!
Wouldn’t be suprised if they did and IMO Fedor will lose that one too. I think Overeem tools Fedor! want to see Reem in the UFC.
FEDOR WON'T FIGHT ANYONE IN THE TOP 5 EVER AGAIN !!!
Agree with it all.
I am a huge Overeem fan, but I would still be rooting for Fedor though.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
all UFC champs have lost fights too. If Fedor came out with the same (play if safe) mentality like Anderson and GSP does he’d have won this fight easily.
USA All the way !
I agree.
He wouldn’t have even needed to play it safe, just not be soo reckless. He admitted he rushed it anyway.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Hmmm...I think Overeem beats both Werdum and Fedor anyway. SF better put more emphasis on their other weight classes because you have a good point there.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i think dana will snatch werdum back again...
he’s put together a string of wins… and he beat Fedor – now he’ll be worth the price they were paying before they cut him for losing
Possible but I think DW spins it and says "Werdum wasn't good enough for the UFC and he beats the paper champion, Fedor." DW then skips over Fedor and Werdum and signs Overeem.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I would say Overeem too but
I don’t think Overeem would sign because he likes to spend his time doing K-1 shit. But hey, if Dana was gonna let Fedor do it he may just give in.
Nope
Just remember overreem is not 30 1. At the time DW was trying to sign Fedor he was 29 1 i believe maybe 28 undefeated in many people’s eyes. Where Overeem has only fought 1 good opponent in mma in 3 years. Who Fedor also knocked out.
Overeem is not as high profile as Fedor and never will be.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Simply wrong. To the mainstream fan in the US Overeem has a higher profile.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
StrikerDave is going to be PISSED!
My opinion was that Fedor was not the best fighter in the world because he hadn’t faced the best competition. I felt a few guys in the UFC could possibly beat him. He went off about how he has never been beaten, and that I was just a Pride hater. I don’t think Fedor is crap, he is a good fighter. I just never felt he was the best. The best wouldn’t be subbed in 68 seconds.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
John G is too busy fucking Brooke Hogan and selling his Italian leather shoes due to the Rampage gambling losses.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Hahaha! I doubt it. He was arguing that Werdum was a very legit opponent so he will spin this just fine for Fedor.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
There is no spin to be had
He saw Fedor lose in person. I hope his seats were real good too!
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
HAHA !
True.
Glad I am not the only one who felt he was a bit defensive. haha
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
would a good fighter be subbed in 90 seconds?
cuz Brock was. By Mir — who Werdum would destroy. Easily. I’m a UFC fan, but Fedor is frikkin’ awesome. So what, he lost. Okay, what fighter hasn’t lost?
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Why didn't he lose to all the great fighters he fought before?
You can’t say everyone loses and expect Fedor to go back to go back to a dominant champion. There’s a reason he lost tonight and it isn’t the law of averages. Sometimes guys just lose because they aren’t the best fighter in the cage anymore. Fedor would have eaten Werdum’s children 5 years ago.
He might not be on a decline but everyone is evolving past him. Which is it?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
That is it.
I think he has not pushed himself to evolve. He has taken easy fights, and now it has caught up with him. I also feel that even thought he was the most dominate heavyweight of his time, that division was probably the weakest division. I don;t know if he can hang with the much bigger and stronger guys that are coming up today.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
whoa
never did I say he would go back to being a dominant champion….he’s def past his prime, no doubt….I still think he’s top 3 or 4 HW’s, tho….you don’t think he could beat ONE of Carwin, Brock, JDS or Cain? I do. Just one though.
Brock.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he can beat Brock, but
I am not completely sold on Cain yet.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yes I do
Brock is the least experienced, easy to pick him out of the bunch….I know alot of you love Lesnar, but he will lose multiple fights because of his lack of skills in MMA….sure, he is a great wrestler, but MMA is MUCH more than just wrestling….if they can figure out Royce, they for sho can figure out Lesnar….EVERYONE gets beat….everyone.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Royce was figured out when he got too old and could be outwrestled.
I don’t see that happening to Lesnar for 10 years. Have fun waiting.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I'll be here, waiting.
Frankly, I think Cain will KO Brock. Brutally. Carwin’s turn first, though.
What do we say to boxers, or BJJ guys, or K-1 guys? You have to have more than one skill when you face the top guys. Brock Lesnar is about to find this out the hard way.
I agree wrestling is one of the best skills to have when fighting the top guys, but Carwin has enough to offset that advantage. Not saying Carwin’s wrestling is enough to shift the fight in his favor. The rest of his skills are, though.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Brocks second fight in MMA doesn't compare to this Sunday
In Fedor second fight he fought a man with almost no experience this is nothing like Brocks loss
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sorry i refuse to accept
That Dana will let him go fight in K1 no way no how. He’s not going to let Overeem fight one’s or twice a year twice being the most if ur lucky then have him risk getting injured fighting K1 i just dont see it. Also am not from america so when i say more high profile i really am only talking of my own experience as to how i would pay more to see. And who the causal fan know and heard of. Cause know causal fan that i know has a clue who Overeem is but they know or at least heard of Fedor.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, in America the higher profile is Overeem but not by alot.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't know about that OJ
At least not here. I can’t find a single person around here that has heard of Overeem. Tons of guys know who that fat little russian guy is.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Ok. Most noobs would say Brock or Carwin anyway so its a moot point.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't think he would let Fedor do Sambo at this point either.
That deal went out the window when he lost. If he does sign with the UFC, the deal will not be as sweet as before.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes that true
And that is why we will never see Fedor in the UFC. It weird that this loss is in many ways a loss to us all lol.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
What does that say for the mainstream fans?
by stebrillz on Jun 27, 2010 4:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OJR that is what I was thinking
EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!
Fedor stock Plummets! Dana is going to completely run with this. 9 times out of 10 Fedor wins this fight. I don’t see how this plays out well for anyone. SF was trying to build their company around this guy. Dana was dying to get him to fight the big men. WAAAAMA and M1 have lost a major bargaining issue, copromote with the greatest fighter of all time or nothing. Wow OJR this really screws up a lot of things. As much as I wanted Fedor to lose, it would have beeen better for everyone if he lost to Overeem or in the UFC.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Agree with D Smith
34 is not old especially when Fedor hurt more people than they hurt him because of his unorthodox style.
This takes nothing away from Werdum, he won fair and square.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor fights Werdum at 30, he wins this fight and does not fall into that sub.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Agree 100%
Fedor has lost 3 steps.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Yes. When it comes to physical stress in athletics - 34 and up is old - especially in combat sports. Just my opinion.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
opinion noted and certainly just as good
as anyone else’s opinion.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The fight was barely over a minute.....
How does his age play into getting caught in a rather routine sub? He made a big mistake. That can happen at any age. It wasn’t like he was caught in a gogoplata in the 24th minute. If he has lost a few steps in the past few years it is due to the competition he has faced.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Your mental awareness and reflexes slow with age.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
True....
but he is 34. That is still considered near the end of prime. It was a nice sub, but one he definately had to expect was coming.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Erosion on Fedor's part. And, of course, credit should go to Werdum due to his BJJ.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I agree with all points, but.....
I just don’t think the erosion is due to age. I think it is due more to lack of quality in recent competition. He hasn’t puched to beter his skills. Still throws the right hook, left hook, right hook, left hook etc. combo.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
* pushed to better his skills.
Sorry. Late here on the east coast. ha
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Warrior how many times....
had he been rocked (concussion) and worked through it. All the training, all the sambo comps., all those things play out. into wear and tear. Fighting for 10 years is not easy and he has been fighting his whole life. 34 is old for a fighter overall. 34 is old for any sport baseballl, football, soccer.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Father Time waits for no one.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't disagree with you Monkey, it is reasonable to
believe that age has to become a factor at some point. What I don’t like is comparing fighting to other sports when it comes to wear and tear on the body mainly because fighters in a match don’t fight as long as a soccer/football/hockey/basketball game lasts. Also fighters don’t fight as many times as football/soccer/hockey/basketball/baseball players play games in a year.
So from that perspective, I believe fighters should be able to stay in their prime longer because they don’t perform nearly as much as the players in the NFL,NHL,NBA etc.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
When I was making the sports comparison....
I just meant that 34 while not old in the grand scheme of things, is old for a pro athlete. I know an mma fighter doesn’t put in the amount of fighting that a pro football, basektball, or whatever sport it maybe, but by nature, fighting is a young lions sports. While they may not put in the actual amount of fights that a pro athlete from another sport may put in, even the training commands wear and tear. MMA training is full contact and most fighters go into a fight, already injured or worn down from the training camp. While football players don’t hit the red shirt in practice (QB or kicker), Fedor’s training partners are trying to hit him and compromise his skills. Combine that with the actual fight and I think the wear and tear is there. Everytime a fighter has his bell rung he is flirting with a concusion. Figure a fighter has his bell rung 2 or 3 times a year and that is probably more than or equal to what most football players are contending with.
I personally feel prime-time for athletes is late 20’s. Your early 20’s your body is still developing it’s man muscles and getting rid of the boyish build. You hit your late 20’s and man becomes a completely different beast. You are the strongest you have ever been. Your body is completely developed, and there is power everywhere. This idea makes it real exciting to see what is going to happen with Jon Jones when he hits his prime. You hit you mid 30’s (Ahh sadly I am 34) and you feel the body decline. Different aches and pains, the metabolism slowing and so on. That has to effect fighters in a big way. You can see the difference in the fighters that are now in there early to mid 30’s big time. It is the orginal greats that made mma what it is today, hitting this age bracket. You can see the decline in guys like Lidell, Franklin, Big Nog, Hendo and Wandy.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Excellent post. Agreed 100%.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
True... except for Chuck
Cuck was a killer at 34, and was in his prime. Now he is 40.
by naturalshadow on Jun 29, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
@OJR
He’s Michael Jordan playing for the Wizards.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Yup. Good analogy.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I am going to disagree here P ditty and OJ
By the time MJ got to the Wizards he was a shell of his former self plus he went away to try baseball and was clearly never the same once his father passed.
Fedor hasn’t fallen off THAT much. He just lost one fight. Will he lose again? Sure he will but he isn’t as slow as Couture or Big Nog. To me those guys are like MJ when he was with the Wizards.
After watching that fight again what I saw was a careless, unengaged Fedor who decided he had this fight won before it actually was. I chalk it up to his head not being in the game. In short, he didn’t bring his A game because he appeared as if he didn’t need it. Complacency will do that to you.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Tactical error
Werdum had a game plan, baited Fedor into going to the ground and that’s all she wrote.
I want to say a tactical error he knows better than to do
which is why complacency plays a role and to some small degree age is possible
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Bit of both.
His fucking gut shows he’s in decline but this match was definitely a stupid diving in tactical error.
As a UFC fan...
and former PRIDE fan… +1
... the Fighting Wesleyans
by USChawai'ian on Jun 27, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I AGREEE
100% correct and fuck Dana white who without the dorrito borhters would be a bald fucking homo. Guy makes me so mad…
Mir is Russian, cut him some slack, man.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
LOL. And why he defends Fedor so much.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I didn't know that
freenow is also russian. He won’t be happy about this loss either.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
He might leave the Pain Train. Bwahahahaha!!!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Fuck Dana or not....
He is the happiest man alive right now. He will probably impregnate his wife tonight with the load he blows. lmao
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Freenow gave me crap for my comment on Fedor/Werdum thread
I bet on wedum at +500
"I get that same feeling Im guessing on an upset…. werdum fights the perfect game plan takes it to ground by THORAZINE on Jun 25, 2010 8:05 PM PDT reply actions"
the win wasnt how I expected but I’ll take it!!!! I took some shit for my comment … so I’m gonna enjoy it a bit
by THORAZINE on Jun 27, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m very sad about Fedor losing but based on his performance it seems obvious to me that the guy has become reckless and somewhat complacent, which is compounded by his recent talk of retirement.
The minute he went for the GnP I’m sure many of us were getting anxious at the thought that a BJJ master like Werdum might actually get a triangle choke or an armbar.
But there is an upside in that it proves all these clowns like StrikerDave and Freenow who abuse people for coming up with logical reasons why Fedor isn’t invincible are just a sad bunch of self-absorbed losers.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
LOL Yeah
Fedor at 30 fights made the same mistake Brock did against Mir with only two fights and becasme over aggressive. Wich is worse a fighter with fedors experience or Brocks I’m sure Striker will have some kind of excuse LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
hehe
Yeah. I really love Fedor though, but I’m just not blinded by all the mythical status which surrounds him, or any fighter for that matter. I would never bash him for losing either. He just made a big mistake.
I think a lot of people here think that if you aren’t juggling a fighter’s balls in your mouth that you aren’t as big a fan as they are or something. They tend to resent you looking at it realistically, that you acknowledge that every fighter can lose.
That being said, you bring up an interesting point about Brock. I recall SD saying something the other day such as , “Brock, he tapped out to MIR” implying he’s shit because of it. It proved his ignorance right there, and now he’s eating his words.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Yeah see and I like SD but he has walked the
plank with his own words. It’s hard to comeback from making such a vigorous defense of a fighter when you are talking about the unknown. Anything can happen is a slogan that has to be adopted more by the passionate poster so as to insert some reality back into the post.
That said, I have no problem with someone being passionate about a sport or a sports figure as it makes the sport more entertaining to watch when those kind of fans get into it.
You gotta have the guys who paint their faces or don’t wear shirts in a december football game in New York or have a media room dedicated to the Chicago Bulls. It just makes it all more of an event IMO.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Couldn’t agree more. I think you’d like my blog too about the Werdum vs Fedor fight. http://fedorsloss.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-time-to-unfold-truth-about-fedors.html
Not really a surprise. Everybody loses eventually. I just figured it would be Overeem that beat Fedor first. Good job, Werdum.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
damn Fedor, good job Werdum now I am curious as
to how this effects his negotiations with either SF or UFC.
I don’t believe Fedor is done…..this should be his Matt Serra fight. All the greats have officially lost, Fedor, Silva, GSP, Penn, and eventually the surging new prospects Cain and Shane will have an L on their records.
I would bet in a rematch, Fedor would tear Werdum up…..I doubt he would make the same error twice. Now the HW picture is truly FUBARED!!!!
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but more interesting now, right?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
agreed OJR much more interesting now
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
More interesting yes
But it still going to be the same arugment until the best fight the best. Fedor is still the best no matter if he just lost cause there is noway tht a guy with four fights on his recorded is the best in the world i just refuse to see or admit that for one second. And IF he was what does that say about our sport really guy think about if for a second i know he some great champ at wrestling but come on he’s not the best HW in the world. And just so the world balances out i hope Carwin wins next week so the Fedor fan have there chance to gloat aswell.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I have Fedor as a top 10 HW today - even with the loss to Werdum. I have Fedor as the best HW of all time - even with the loss to Werdum.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't disagree with you OJR, one official loss doesn't
revise his history as a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 27, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree, Fedor's legacy doesn't budge an inch for me
The debate will always be there though just like the ’he’s not in the UFC’ debate now add the ’he’s no longer in his prime’ debate and what does it all mean.
Brock solidifies the No. 1 spot by kicking Carwin’s ass next week. Fedor is easily No. 2 behind him.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Brock shall remain #2 for the next 168 hours.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
I think losing to number 8 will drop Fedor to #3 to 5ish
And the uFC belt will be for #1 spot now and down the road period.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Hate to point this out but
Besides NOG and Cro Cop who has Fedor beaten that would merit the best of all time.
I am not jumping on a band wagon hedre I have been saying this for a while – Fedor has only fought two fighters in their prime that of any true talent and that is Cro Cop and NOG. What other victories make Fedor the best of all time?
Oh shit!
Get ready for a bashing ASR. You cant say that about their “god” Even though he TAPPED last night!
Oh I know
I commintted a mortal sin by pointing out that Fedor is a really good fighter, but his record is padded with side show freaks, has beens, and a bunch of LHWs and even a few Middleweights.
I would just love to hear who he fought besides NOG and CC that constitute him being the best of all time.
Fedor has only fought top 10 ranked opponents a few times in his career Randy has way more fights with top 10 opponents and nobody is calling him the best ever, and before we mention how many losses he Randy has let us remember that he fights top competition. Look what happened when Fedor fought someone who only some believe is in the to 10 HWs in the world.
I know I am going to get flamed for this but that is just because there will be no actual answer just a bunch of pissed off Fedor lemmings.
Back in Pride Fedor did fight the best besides Barnett and won
Thats how he got to #1 and he fought decent opponents after none that would be a UFC top five now but still good fighters including Werdum wich was enough to keep his #1 status. Did it prove he was the best now? No but with the best now and limited fights agaisnt top competion not enough to move Fedor out of #1 until now.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I hear ya
I am not saying he is great, but for people to just assume that he is the greatest of all time is a bit much for me to swallow. I have said it before and will say it again he was definitely #1 in the world when he was in Pride no doubt, but his record is tainted with too many fight of substandard competition and people of lower weight classes to be the best of all time. I do not think it was him picking weak opponents I think it was M1 trying to get return on thier investment
Yes and I question that the best then are better than now too
I believe that all sports eveolve as do the athletes and Fedor during Pride was the best but he never proved he was the best for some time just resting on his history. But like I said their isn’t a champion right now that has defended his belt more than two times so it’s hard to knock him out of #1 when he hasn’t lost. Until no :D
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
All Time really isn't that long in MMA right now
As there are no other fighters right now that have won for X amount a years in a row like Fedor has done in Pride. After Pride It’s debatable who has fought the best opponents but beating Werdum would of proved nothing wich is why losing to him is even worse.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Agreed.......Puck has nailed it here
None of the fighters in the HW division has accomplished what Fedor has regardless of what you might think of his competition.
How many UFC HW Champs have defended the belt successfully like Fedor? None!!! You can’t revise history because you don’t like Fedor.
He beat everyone that Pride put in front of him. Can any past or present UFC HW champion say that?! Not at all.
I felt like I need to inject some reality back into all of this hatred.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds excellent
Can you list off the quality opponents that Fedor has beaten in his career for me?
Well...
Nogueira when he was in his prime. While he was the most feared BJJ HW in the world. And Fedor mauled him in the guard. Listen to the announcers they say I dont think Fedor will want to hit the ground with him. Not only did he maul Nog he swept him while Nog was on top. He punched right through his guard. Record Before 19-1-1
Cro Cop when he was in his prime. When he was considered the most feared striker to enter MMA. When he came from K-1 and was running through people left and right with that left high kick. And Fedor stood with him to a Unanimous decision. He stood with the most feared striker and OUTSTRUCK him. Mirkos record coming in 16-2-2 and his K-1 Record 16-7
Semmy Schilt in his PRIDE debut. One of the most devastating Kickboxers at the time, another K-1 Elite striker. And once again strikes with one of the best at the time and another win. Schilts Record Previously 22-10-1 In K-1 15-3-1
Heath Herring – One of the most solid and toughest of the HWs in the Pride HW stable. He beat solid opponents in Igor Vovchanchyn and Mark Kerr. He had just recently fought a very fun match up with Nogueira. Fedor absolutely smashed him and was one of the first times Fedor showed so mich dominance and One of the few times Herring was derailed so badly.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 28, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That is only 4, and to be honest,
I wouldn’t count Schilt or Herring. I would maybe add Coleman, but that still leaves you with 3.
by naturalshadow on Jun 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You Cant Not Count Them Just Because You Dont Think They Count
In terms of mma history there very VERY relevent
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Schilt and Herring Really
And that is still only four relevant fighters. Stop drinking the cool aide.
what do you mean now what ?
Fedor lost because of the same reason Rey Mysterio Jr. fall off the ropes , the same reason Roy Jones Jr did after going 49-1 much like fedor his only loss coming via dq …..is because he had to show you how good he really is , you cant see it til they finally mess up , then you relize how good they really are , kind of like, if you dont like your mom right now , but if she dies then you know how you’ll feel then. so CHEER UP….FEDOR IS THE GREASTEST EVER
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol best post ever +1
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
did you see werdum in that fight
he came in fat and tried to strike with him.
No it not
MMA math does not work plain and simple.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I am the first one
to point out that Fedor is not all he is cracked up to be, but a top level striker Fedor definitey is. Werdum had an excellent game plan that he executed greatly. Plus I think JDS would have an excellent shot at beating Fedor also along with most of the UFC top 4 or 5 HWs
Exactly what is Fedor then? You mean the media and the fighters themselves
have been wrong about him this whole time??!!!!
Werdum game plan was use his jits, what a surprise. Fedor lost this fight due to his sloppiness not because Werdum had such a great game plan. Fedor has gotten out of arm bars before and from the likes of Big Nog for Pete’s sake.
Clearly Fedor didn’t bring his A-game and that can be debated all date as to why he didn’t bring it.
Yes Werdum won and I take nothing from him for doing what he did. I place the loss squarely on Fedor more than I place the win on Werdum.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually yes
He was the best in the world while he was in Pride. Anything before and after has been nothing but media hype, and excellent picking of opponents that he could beat and still look credible. FYI this is not something I just started saying. I have been posting this for years now.
Andrei Arlovski Was a Formidable Opponent
Tim Sylvia not so much. Brett Rogers earned his right to fight him as did Werdum.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt think it could be possible , but now im an even bigger fan of fedor
the guy is unbelievable
congradulation to fedor for the best damn win streak of all time
classy and respectfull in defeat
I cant wait to see him come back stronger than ever
truly the best fighter in the world
classy guy for sure
but you cannot call him the best fighter in the world tonight. He tapped.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
maybe he wasnt tonight, but he still is the greatest fighter ever
so what he tapped hes a smart fighter why risk injury he knew he got caught and wasnt getting out
GSP tapped
Anderson silva tapped
brock tapped
I cant wait to see him in fight again
that is what happens
when you underrated a world and adcc champ off of his back.
on the upside, it sets up a very interesting rematch with Overeem.
Finally! Now he can’t retire with everybody saying he was the greatest ever. He got beat by a guy who washed out of the ufc
“washed out of the ufc”
Um, maybe, just maybe, he’s improved since the JDS fight?
Of course not….that would be against the UFC nutthugging bible to say that.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I Agree
Im no fedor fan but brock is nowhere near what fedor was/is
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
by FlyingArmBar on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock couldn't beat Fedor but Werdum can?
Have you watched either of them fight?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Fedor has yet to face any 250+ lb MMA fighter with a succesfull History in a MMA style
he had problems with Rogers who had little MMA experience in any style. If he Rogers postion on Fedor Fedor would be GnPed almost guaranteed.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Holy crap, is that an Introvert sighting?
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
That is redicuos
Fedor is a tiny guy compared to the UFC top 4 shit he even gives up weight to Cain and Cain is solid were Fedor is…… well not solid. He would get manhandled and pounded out
You act as if Fedor never fought anyone heavier than him
So using your line of thinking, weight = wins.
Nobody makes me bleed my on own blood!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 28, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Love how you keep posting after all of my posts. I know it hurts your hero has been exposed. I was implying that all of the HWs in the UFC top 4 are at least as good as him and outweigh him.
Fedor after all about one third of Fedor’s fights are against people from weight classes lower than him.
He has some really big guys on resume. He has the circus 390 pound fat clown Martins there after all.
To sum it up I was trying to say nicely that he would be outsized and outclassed.
Intro
How’s your hero looking today? Brock #1 ranked HW fighter in the world come July 4th. Fucking A.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Not if Carwin pounds his face in the mat.
I’m so tired of Brock and his WWE antics I’ve never rooted for someone from Greg Jackson’s camp until now! Let’s Go Carwin!!!
WWE antics?
Only a WWE fan would know I guess.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sore loser and shows no respect for his opponents
How could you root for a guy that laughs in a guys face after he beat him (Heath Herring). And I was a wrestling fan when I was like 8.
HH was saying far worse things leading into the fight
Shouldn’t mouth off if you can’t back it up. Same goes for Mir at UFC 100.
C’mon man, my dad taught me this shit when I was 5.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
He swears once and people are calling it WWE antics
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
The swearing doesn't bother me
It’s the lack of respect and sportsmanship shown for his opponents. A real piece of shit at least Fedor is humble lol I don’t even like Fedor but I can say that about him
I can say that about him too. I love Fedor, he is a wonderful man and a true warrior.
I also don’t care if Brock spits and swears. I’m not the queen of England.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Shit talking is shit talking
There’s always going to be shit talking b4 a fight. BJ Penn talked a lot of shit to Sherk and after he beat his ass he showed respect and was a grown up at the end of the fight. He didn’t go point his finger in his face and laugh come on man that’s little kid shit right?
You might not want to watch Penn's other fights then.
Running into the losers corner and swiping blood off his face just to lick it…Worse in my opinion. Also holding subs too long, whining about a fight 4 years later….I can go on about Penn. Don’t look up to him for sportsmanship.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I have seen just about every Penn fight
I’ve seen him lick blood off his gloves and all of that but for the most part he shows his opponents respect because he knows what it’s like to be on the other end of an ass beating. Maybe if Brock gets his ass beat one good time he will be more respectful and not act like a child when he wins. God I hope Carwin Knocks him the fuck out lol!
Brock didn't like getting hit by Randy at all and he had hell with him until the 2nd round
Just Imagine what Carwin is gonna do to this MeatHead!
Brock looked fine when Randy was hitting him
Don’t make shit up
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I also recall Brock not getting into Randy’s face at the end of the fight because Randy actually showed some respect, which Brock returned. Herring and Mir didn’t and they paid the price for it in both beatings and humiliation. Carwin has done the same thing, so getcha popcorn ready.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Was Herring really that disrespectful? I don’t really recall, but I didn’t think he was any more disrespectful than Brock has been toward Carwin, which isn’t much by the way, just one guy building himself up while discrediting the other.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
if he gets hit like that against carwin he's not gonna know what he likes.
cause he will be out.
USA All the way !
Same goes for Shane
If Brock hits him he will sleep as well. Let’s see what Shane looks like against someone stronger, faster and bigger than him(also better wrestling). Because so far he has looked good against bikers and bellhops.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
You say that but i can't seem to remember a time where brock has knocked someone right out.
Tko randy some punches to the back of the head
Tko Mir up against the cage
Sent Herring across the cage then won a UD
So why does Shane need to watch out for Brocks power?
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
"Sent Herring across the cage then won a UD"
Broke his orbital in two places. With a right cross.
The punches to Randy were not the back of the head, I’ve put the gif up so many times I won’t do it again. It was not the back of the head, quit lying.
TKO Mir against the cage. What? When a man is asleep(Mir certainly was) is that not a KO? What’s the difference?
He needs to watch out for Brock’s power because Brock is a 280 pound beast that is going to hit him with it. Wouldn’t you want to avoid being hit by Lesnar? I thought that would be simple to understand. He’s had 5 fights and he has put Choi, HH, Randy and Mir in both fights in awful shape everytime. Some times he gets stopped before finishing the job(Mir 1) or he smashes someone in 12 seconds(Choi)or he crushes their face in with one shot(HH)or he beats a legend with a lifetime of experience(Randy)or he comes two punches short of killing a man on PPV he has power.
Understand why he has to worry about his power?
I understand you are really impressed with Carwin’s power because he KO’d Mir faster than Brock did, but that doesn’t mean anything. Carwin has 10 wins over guys that you have never heard of for good reason. Carwin is the only guy who’s power I question as to how it will match up against his advisary.
Thanks.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
All am saying is Brock will never one punch ko Carwin
He just dosnt have it in him to do it. Dont get me wrong tho he might beable to finsh him with his gnp but i only see that happning if Carwin gets exposed for having no heart and gives up on himself.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 27, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
GnP
is the ONLY way Brock wins this fight. If it stays on the feet long, Carwin puts him to sleep. You can’t argue results.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Only way?
Are you really that naive?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
What other way you talkin' bout?
Brock’s never KO’d anyone. Brock’s never subbed anyone.
What then?
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying that.
Edgar had never beaten a guy like BJ. Just saying results are hard to argue with.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But to say thats the only way?
Would you of picked Franklin to beat Chuck standing? Edgar to beat BJ standing? Most likely not as many other fights. Yes Carwin has a more proven stand up but that doesn’t mean he can’t be beat by it. Brock has worked on his ground game until this fight 80%= of the time and has spent most of the time training for this one to improve his stand up if Carwin is as naive as some in thinking the only way was GnP then I think we would see Brock KO Carwin.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Franklin to beat Chuck standing in 2010? Yes.
In 2004, hell no. Chuck by decapitation.
Edgar didn’t beat BJ standing. Per FightMetrix, and everyone who knows MMA.
Oh, and you’re right. It’s not the only way Brock can win. I admit it. That’s why I love our sport. Anyone can win at any time.
I’m just alot more sold on Carwin than Lesnar. Shane hasn’t had that 40-60 pound weight advantage in all his fights. He’s also showed ability to sub and KO. Endurance isn’t an issue when you win way early.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwins strike is very dangerous for sure
Chuck was destroying in the stand up but got caught to say that Franklins stand up is better based on one punch? Chucks chin is not as good yeah.
And anyone that watched Edgar fight BJ seen it was a close battle standing that could of went either way the takedown at the end secured it but Edgar was the one dicating the fight standing something I never seen anyone even come close to doing at LW in a long time.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Not arguing with you
just disagreeing. BJ won that fight. He stood right back up. And outpunched Edgar. Look at the stats.
Regardless, in the rematch, you aren’t gonna tell me your money is on Frankie, are you?
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that because Carwin knocked out a bunch of bums it is inevitable he will do the same to Brock?
Did you not learn a damn thing last night? Fedor should have beaten Werdum if that were the case every time.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I never said that.
And have no idea where you got it. I am saying only that I think Carwin will win, because he is better at more than one thing. It is just my opinion, man. Calm down. You have one too, and I’m not trying like a madman to belittle you for it.
Gotta love the internet….
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Respect Mir was making fun of him as a person, what he did after 100 was deserved
And his respect for Couture is huge! They trained together shortly after there fight and Couture recently trained with him for this Carwin fight. The goody two shoes here(Carwin) went to the media with what a bad person Brock is and what a great person he is and this and that BS yet you respect Carwin more!? C;mon jimmy Carwin is the biggest fake as a person outside the octagon. But you being a WWE fan I understand why. Sorry man I’m a MMA fan not WWE so I disagree
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Right after they fought he said I don't respect Randy I don't respect anyone I fight
Yeah they are friends now and train together so what. It’s funny that I have said nothing about UFC 100 yet you guys keep brining it up. Frank Mir deserved what he got more than anyone he fought. I’m talking about his disrespect for all of his opponents after he fights. Even Rashad and Rampage showed brief respect after shad laid on page for 3 rounds. So you constantly bringing up UFC 100 leaves me to believe that you are the WWE fan!
Who did he disrespect that didn't have it coming to them?
He wasn’t being disrespectful to Randy and Mir and HH both talked shit before the fight. So did Carwin.
Who has he disrespected that didn’t have it coming since you agree Mir had it coming.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Don't take Brock's comment out of context about Randy
He said Randy is a legend and a really nice guy, but he doesn’t respect anyone he fights. It’s not him.
Yeah how mean.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Everyone talks shit
Mir crossed the line saying he was gonna murder Brock and all of that bull shit. Mir is a douche as well.
100 is what every moron judges Brock by
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
HH started it with the WWE shit
And what he said about Randy wasn’t disrespect. Don’t take half a sound bite and make it into something it’s not.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I don't like the guy
If you want to ride his ballsack be my guest but I just hope he learns how to be respectful the hard way and soon! Maybe if he gets Ko’ed then he won’t be such a douche and maybe I will be a fan one day but for now you Lesnar fans have fun.
I understand what you are saying and believe me I know he's a douche
Doesn’t matter to me though. I like Nick Diaz too. Personality won’t get in the way of me wanting to see a fighter.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Oh yeah
I’m with you. A Brock Lesnar fight is always going to be an exciting fight but he is just one of those guys either you hate him or you love him and right now I hate him. Doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy his fights, I could just do without the Jerry Springer Shit at the end.
Agree to agree really.
I have never said Brock is a good person. I just like fighters for different things. I can look past his rough exterior and appreciate his skills and size.
Sometimes you get lucky and your fave fighter is flawless(GSP, Fedor, Cote) sometimes you don’t.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Do you like the fighter for the fighter or the man outside the octagon(WWE like)
And Jimmy it’s clear you like the personality of the man and not the fighter. And thats fine many fans like someone they would like as a person wih is what the WWE makes all there money. But for some of us fight fans like me and jay we like the fighter first.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Me too
Octagon first. Hell, I can’t stand Rampage outside the ring, but fuck if I don’t love to watch him bang.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP, Fedor, Cote !!!
That’s so funny, I have tears in my eyes.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
I mean flawless as far as personality goes
You won’t find a nicer guy outside those three.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Afterwards that's what I figured out.
It just felt funny to have Cote’s name alongside these two.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
There has been much worse than Brock in MMA
It’s his aggression and attitudeIN THE OCTAGON that make him such an exciting fighter and find myself a fan of his. But if your a WWE fan you will judge them more by how they act OUTSIDE THE OCTAGON. And thats what makes us different in or opionions. If you want to judge Brock by the way he acts your opinion is more like a WWE fan than a MMA fan.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
True, respect the skills not the skills on the mic.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Classica moronic JAY
u said in another post Fedor lost to Werdum and Brock could beat Werdum or something. First off styles make fight and IM a Brock fan but he did lose to Mir and Mir is not a better grappler than Werdum
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Another one of your hero's bite the dust and you are so sad.
HAHAHA
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I wont lie
Im tight Fedor lost. But when newbie UFC Gaylords try to discredit the best ever i ticks me off. I think Fedor is the best I ever seen his striking and ground in PRIDE was on point. That being said he lost fair and square is not the best anymore. He got caught. I still think he can beat Werdum and it was just a mistake he made that can easily be corrected. SEE GSP vs Serra
Ill say it again fuck all U UFC fanboy Newbies..
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
We aren't all UFC newbie fanboys
Some of us have been watching MMA since you were in grade school. Quit acting so hard.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
U claim to be a true fan
but it just seems u like to go against the grain to get a response. i dunno.
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Against the grain?
I have always stood by my opinion and it is my own. I am against the grain on a lot of subjects but also called a nuthugger on a lot of subjects. I just come on here to spout my opinion whether it is crazy, popular, against the grain, gay….Whatever. What I say, I believe.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
OK
whatever my point is Fedor is the best I have ever seen and the haters prayed for this day and now they want to talk shit. All im saying is fuck all you haters that prayed for this day just so you could talk shit.
Fedor is still the man.
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Newfie
Why would you love to meet a gay man in person? Something you want to say?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
make sure there aren't any fans near you jay
he was talking about liking to get shit on and what not.
I know you're drunk
But why do you have so many gay thoughts when you are drunk. That’s what I don’t understand.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Haha! Newfie is a good sport.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Hi
I know more about anything than you do...
by ItalianStallion54 on Jun 27, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i try to be.
how can you be perfectly serious on an online message board, not even using your real name?
live simply.
LMAO
my thoughts exactly jay
The man that doesnt fall, Doesnt Stand
Fuck u Fedor haters
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is the greatest HW of all time
but I have to admit, this day would have came a lot sooner if he would’ve made that deal with the UFC. He knew and that’s why he chose not to fight top competition.
Improved since the jds fight?
This is his second fight since then isn’t it? Its not like he is an up and comer, admit it your boy lost to a guy who couldn’t hang in the ufc’s top 5.
exactly.
jds made him look like an amatuer when he was a 5 to 1 underdog!
and werdum looked like shit against arlovksi
fedor def can not hang with brock/carwin/velasquez….
i like what yu said. it wasnt like werdum was an up and comer in the ufc….he was crap and booted out..
live simply.
But
with a guy with a 31-1 record.. He should’ve known better..
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
I am with you Daft. I think its erosion. DSmith thinks its complacency.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
C'mon- if no one even comes close to putting you in danger for years
You get careless. I’m not saying age has no effect but we have no way of knowing when that even began for him seeing that he hasn’t been pushed to his limits in forever. Complacency, hubris, boredom..all equal bad judgment. Fedor didn’t get destroyed tonight. Werdum took better acting classes than Lawlor and Fedor fell for it.
That's where I disagree with you. Rogers put him in danger when he should not have been...erosion. Your reasoning is very legit but I don't see it - not with that many fights under his belt.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Maybe the erosion is due to complacency.
If you are not pushed, you tend not to train as hard. I don’t think he has ever really changed up his training. Although his striking is effective, it has always been the same old right hook, left hook, repeat combo.
by naturalshadow on Jun 27, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He's been in danger in a lot of fights
He just usually finds a way to ignore it and kill people. This will be a rare loss if he continues fighting.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
fedor didnt get caught by age, or deteoration fuck he didnt get knocked the fuck out, caught because he was slow or anything.
you look at fedors credentials on the ground and they’re as good if not better than werdums so now what? HE GOT CAUGHT quit fucking making excuses for the guy because hes 34 damage had nothing to do with it, in fact that choke took awhile for him to tap to
i hate that russian fuck but in all honesty how could you not be willing to go to the ground where you have been with nogand ,arona what made werdum more dangerous than nog? nothing he just caught him
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Still
he should’ve known better
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
Exactly. Its not excuses. Its an objective view. I neither love nor hate Fedor as a fighter.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Werdum didn't wash out of the UFC...
He lost one fight, UFC wanted to renegotiate his contract by almost HALF, he declined, they released him.
That’s a far cry from “washing out.”
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he was 2-2
Fan of Tiger 'Makin It Rain' Woods
by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't leave the UFC because he wasn't competitive, put it that way.
He was David Louiseau or Jason McDonald. He was like a Nick Diaz or Dan Henderson.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
He wasn't like David Louiseau or McDonald. Duh
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Doesn't matter
He had beaten two of the UFC’s “upper-tier” heavyweights at the time in Gonzaga and Vera. You don’t renegotiate a contract by half because you get caught with a KOing uppercut one time.
Still not washing out, especially when the other loss came from AA who was ranked in the top 3 at the time.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad News
Strikeforce is in trouble.
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
how?
because one of their many good fighters lost? They were never based around just 1 fighter.
OK
believe what you want, its still true
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
by FlyingArmBar on Jun 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce is in huge trouble
HUGE
You don’t hitch your wagon to the wrong horse two shows in a row and come out unscathed. SF needs to do something to dump some of the money they are paying Hendo and Fedor for losing.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
M1 has certainly lost some serious bargaining power
Fedor is still great. But the unbeatable legend is over.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Absolutely
I’m hoping the power pendulum has swung over the UFC side and we see a deal. {fingers crossing}
Absolutely
SF will probably pay him to leave too. No way they can afford to keep paying Fedor and M1 after this.
Fedor either retires or his next fight is against the loser of next weeks Brock/Carwin fight.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
You gonna say this for 5 years, then when it finally happens, say “told you so”?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. That your motto?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
It was one year and two Fedor fights ago.
Sorry for keeping you waiting but that fat guy they sent to fight Fedor wasn’t very good. Who knew?
LOL
Sucks to be a Fedor fan today, because you just got slapped upside the head with a dose of reality! BOOM
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Actually, wouldn't I be the total opposite of a nuthugger?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
AND WHATS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE
of a nutt hugger?? nutt hugger????
p.s. I HOPE THE HAIRY ON DANA’S BALLS DONT GIVE YOU A RASH WHILE YOU PRACTICE YOUR TRIANLGE CHOKE ON HIS NUTTS
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how Dana became involved in my hatred for Fedor fans but
You have to question your tactics on making Fedor fans look good tonight. You might want to sleep this one off and try again tomorrow.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
IS FEDOR NOT THE BEST?
ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL?
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
He just lost a fight. He is not the best today.
He does however have the greatest record of all time at this point. Not that it matters.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
SORT OF LIKE
YOUR MOMS REPUTATION OF BEING A LADY, NONE OF IT MATTERS , FEDOR A LEDGEN AND SO IS YOUR MOM HEAD GAME
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL. Wow. Looks like you got a live one here, Jay.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He's mine leave him alone
I’ve had my bait in the water for an hour now.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Funny. He's all yours!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Actually I can't, too easy.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Its the weekend. Have fun.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I NOTICE ITS
YOU SAME THREE HUTT RUBBERS …..HMMMMM
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You starting shit with me, too? Let me know so I can knock your cumquat IQ ass out the box, son.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
They should have given some to his goon daddy or his mom should have swallowed him.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You didn't ask that question or even bring Fedor's name up.
You talked about Dana and men’s nuts. I didn’t know there was a question.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Believe what you want,
scientology is still true
believe what you want
bigfoot is still true
OK
dont get all butt hurt cause fedor lost
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
by FlyingArmBar on Jun 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
that is a red herring
a common logical fallacy
Why you such a king cause he lost?
That’s the question.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Im Not Saying That
I just believe its not good for strikeforce, with the overeem fight thats all, then yall get butt hurt about it.
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
by FlyingArmBar on Jun 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
im just saying that
you changed the subject when it became apparent you don’t have a point
u said that sf was in trouble
i said that they werent. then you told me that you were right without evidence. i called you on it. instead of giving evidence, you said that i was butt hurt.
Fine
what ever i think strikeforce is in trouble they needed that fight to happen, like my opinion or not i dont care
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
by FlyingArmBar on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
fine
you just admitted you are going to believe whatever you want, even if there is no proof or evidence, just weak induction. congrats on having 0 reasoning skills.
ill take your argument bill
there mw champion is all but gone, there hw champion was there only to fight fedor, and they will lose werdum too now because dana white will take him.
what does that leave sf with exactly?
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
so 2 of yours are
“if” and "will"s is evidence? lol
Strikeforce is paying Fedor half the house for losing a fight.
You don’t think they are in trouble? What backers are going to finance SF?
History repeats itself over and over. North AMerica is too small a market to have two major organizations fighting for consumers. Strikeforce needs to team up with Dream and try to work the asian market. North AMerica has too many casual fans that only watch the UFC. Without Fedor helping to change that, who will help the casuals want to watch SF now?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
the asian market could give a shit about the SF fighters
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The Asian market is the true PRIDE market
You don’t think they care about Werdum, Overee, Fedor and Hendo?
They don’t care about names, you entertain them and they will love you.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
agree jay
Strikeforce would be smart to try and capitalize with dream in the asian market. And Fedor could fight 10 more cans over there!
"You're in this dark tunnel and you've got no way out, you're waiting for light, and you see that light, what do you do? What do you do? You start digging, and getting out. ... I've always beleived you stay in the tunnel and you keep digging when you expect no light. You have the same faith when you expect no light. You have the same beleif in what you're doing when you expect no light. ... It's dark and I'm going to dig through. My shovel is sharp and my pick is sharp and my will is outstanding." --Rod Marinelli 2008 (on his way to that sweet 16!)
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jun 27, 2010 1:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Proof? Really?
The post you replied to has lots of proof.
Ever heard of Affliction? PRIDE? Bodog? EliteXC?
History repeats itself unless you stop doing the same things over and over. Take you for example, you keep saying stupid things and I keep responding. History repeating itself.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
You can't pay half your money to one fighter and hope he never loses.
The first time something happens to your golden goose you get no more golden eggs.
I.E. Affliction misses Fedor fight money because Barnett pops for steroids. Fedor sues Affliction for payment of purse-Affliction ceases all future plans for events
Kimbo Slice bubble pops, Elite XC closes the next day.
Fedor loses and people stop caring about him, SF has no way to pay Fedor for that fight they still owe him. They put said fight on Showtime and have nothing to show for it because Showtime sucks.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Damn I knew it!
You ARE a smart one jay. Many pertinent facts + sound logic = I’m impressed by your performance.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Their one draw was Fedor
Strikeforce routinely pulls shit numbers on both Showtime and CBS (how the fuck do you pull less ratings then CSI and Biggest Loser reruns?) without Fedor.
Now that Fedor has lost, his mystique is gone. His 3 million dollar price tag + co-promotion is a joke now. He’s no more special then Anderson Silva or GSP from a financial stand point now. He doesn’t even put asses in seats like Lesnar or Liddell does.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot about Hendo!
Oh, wait…that’s right…nevermind.
Strikeforce is fucked. They have a stable of “Champions” that no one knows or cares about except for the hardcore fans that read MMA blogs and post on MMA.TV and Sherdog.
And even at that, their “Champions” are leaving them left and right. Sheilds beat Hendo and peaced out. Overeem is next. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Werdum jumped ship too.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i was about to ask you what stable of champions
shields is gone, overeem doesnt wanna defend the belt, king mo wont stay around, nick diaz is suspended or going to be, and melendez isnt that great
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
while I agree that SF is in some M1 trouble
it seems like a stretch to say King Mo and Nick Diaz are really going anywhere. Diaz will get a few months. Be back in no time. Melendez is legit. Overeem seems to be coming stateside.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
king mo seems to wanna go up, he beat the best guy SF has to offer him at his weight already, he wants to fight rampage so after his contract he most likely leaves and gets a 6 figure deal with the ufc.
melendez is decent but i dont think would beat ben henderson actually i like that fight..
overeem has a huge ego, now that fedor lost he will finally sign with the ufc and fight the guys they have he wants to be known as the greatest hw of all time
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Dana's happy ":D"
The best man won tonight….everyone loses eventually.
No ’hugging….just truth.
Congrats Werdum…..Fedor will be back.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
So is bruce buffer
Playing poker n bet players Werdum would submit Fedor… Collecting now… Wow, big win! No one is invincible, no one!!!
30 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
by tap or snap bons on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to say only fights in my life in MMA I thought were fixed were all KIMBO’s that he won up until now… Looked like he gave the fight to him. Congrats to werdum but I think this was a given.
Still not sure how this loss makes Brock Lesnar better…..but that’s just me.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Ha
The guys Brock beat couldn’t even wipe Fedor’s ass.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Brock & Carwin will be fighting for the NEW #1 HW in the world July 3rd making it and even more meanigful fight!!
I didn’t think it would get anymore exciting but I was wrong
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Besides
You still don’t get it.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I'm no Fedor nut hugger..
But I fail to see your logic.
So fighting Frank Mir twice, Heath Herring, and a 45 year old LHW make you the best HW in the world? You realize that is all that Lesnar has accomplished at this point right?
Fedor went on a decade win streak against the best fighters at the time periods he fought them. Has Lesnar even fought a #2 or 3 HW (at the time of the fight) yet?
Idk. We’ll see how he handles Carwin, JDS, and Cain. Until then he hasn’t done shit.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
what??
‘Fedor went on a decade win streak against the best fighters at the time periods he fought them.’
Other than Nog, Cro Cop and possibly Coleman, who was the BEST guys fedor faced?? Id like to hear your views, sobral? Randleman? Sammy? Hong Man Choi? Cmon half these guys are middle of the road MW and LHW never mind middle of the road HW
You serious?
At the time of the fights…
Heath Herring was top 5.
Big Nog was #1
Big Nog again was #2
Mirko was #2
Tim Sylvia was #3 or 4
AA was #2 or 3
Rogers was top 10 (I think 7 or 8)
Has ANY other HW done this? Really? No. He is most certainly unique in that regard.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
At the time Fedor beat those guys they weren't unbeatable either.
Other fighters were beating Fedor’s opponents too. It wasn’t something that only Fedor could do. Where’s their credit?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
what?
My original post was saying that Fedor has beaten more top competition without losing then Lesnar has, and to say that Lesnar is better then Fedor now that he has lost is dumb.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it would be dumb to think Fedor could lose to Brock
You must be the one Fedor nuthugger on here that didn’t learn anything tonight.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
please visit
the other 8,000,560,450,304,403 threads that already exist about this. Fedor will not be the SF HW champ. We all need to move on.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
when did I ever say he was going to be the SF champ?
In case you didn’t read: the original post I made was stating that Lesnar hasn’t done shit yet compared to Fedor, and to compare the two men is a joke.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
the champ comment
wasn’t particularly related to your post. It was directed at this neverending discussion.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Nobody is comparing legacies dumb-dumb
Just current abilities. In case you didn’t notice Fedor isn’t unbeatable.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
hahahahahahahahahah
Firstly you have just slated Brock for beating HH, and if HH was ever top 5 then that says alot for two of Fedors best wins.
Secondly Tim Sylvia!!!!!!! ahahahahahahaha need i say anymore??
AA get real my friend he hasnt been #2 or 3 since the dinosaurs were around!!
As for Rogers…well once again if thats one of Fedors greatest wins then you should be ashamed!!!
I think you will find it hard to find a HW who has fought 4or 5 top tier guys and the rest cans, but there are a few with records that are good!!
Your list is very very poor for someone arguing for the best HW in the world
Wow
You must of started watching MMA with TUF 10.
Otherwise you’re a delusional idiot.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
lolololololol
Trust me you are the one that is delusional!! You cannot see past Fedor, and your stats on these fighters is way off!!!!!! When Fedor fought these guys especially AA and Timmy they were nowehere near where you say they were, please tell me why im delusional????
Im not the one backing up the BEST HW EVER with these wins you are!! Rogers lol are you for real!!!! Everyone knows that Fedors best wins come from his Pride days yet you are bringing up the contriversial wins that people are questioning…only one idiot im afraid lol
This is how I know you are REALLY new to this sport.
AA and Tim were both ranked within top 5 on Sherdog, Bloodyelbow, and any other ranking site you want to throw in there at the time they fought Fedor. You must not read rankings.
AA then went on a losing streak. Sucks.
Timmy Lost to Mercer. Sucks.
Doesn’t change the fact both of them were ranked top 5 at the time of the fight.
And arguing with you about the other stats is pointless considering you have watched the sport for a few months and compared Lesnar’s win against a “over the hill Herring” to a “Prime Herring”.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't be an ass and say there is a such thing as a "PRIME HERRING"
Seriously.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
i can assure you
Iv been watching the sport for longer than you would believe!!
I dont look at the rankings for that reason alone, I find it very difficult to believe that AA was ranked 2 or 3 when he fought Fedor…infact I find that absurd!! I also find it very hard to believe TS was in the top 5 considering he had already lost to Randy and was in a steep decline!!
The ranking are pretty much a joke anyways as im sure most of the guys on here would agree!!
You are blinded by you love of fedor, sit down and actually think about who he has fought and then post again!!!!
no way 2 guys that got the boot from the ufc for LOSING were top5
arlovski they wanted back at first but not now and arlovski was taking it to fedor
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Exactly my thoughts randy!!
by the real mo on Jun 27, 2010 2:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if we’re going by records jeremy horn has a win over chuck liddell, travis wiuff has a helluva record
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
north-south choke is probably the worst position to get submitted from
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The start of a losing streak
Especially if he comes to ufc
by Jesse13 on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No worries.
I’m pretty sure there was a BJ Penn clause in there that will guarantee a rematch.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
WErdum is on his way to a title shot
Fedor will either be retired or fighting someone else next.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
can they afford to pay fedor for another non title fight on showtime?
by randy murders on Jun 27, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
No no you guys don't understand.
Werdum is gonna come back to the UFC, Fedor is gonna fire all his people like GSP did after Serra and sign a contract with the UFC. Fedor and Werdum will have their rematch in their first fight and Fedor is gonna knock Werdum out in the first. Then the champion Carwin, who will be siting next to Dana is gonna come in the octogon and tell Fedor he was not impressed by his performance. Fedor will defeat Carwin and remain champion for many years until he is finally defeated by a 220 pound Georges St-Pierre.
Surely you guys can see that coming.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Its about time.......
im no Fedor hater..but i was getting sick of the whole p4p #1 ranking. imo that was real disrespectful to the actual top 5 heavyweights in mma..cant deny what hes done in the past but cmon now really when was the last time hes beat a top 5 contendor..im glad he lost..duces
"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything" -Malcolm X
An "actual" top 5 like Brock?
This is the crap that always annoys me – Brock is top 5 because Dana wanted him there – he hasn’t earned it at all. Carwin is higher up the ladder as he at least had to fight his way to his ranking. Going 1/1 with Mir, beating Herring (whoop-de-do) and an ageing, undersized Randy is hardly basis for a No.1 ranking. Carwin, JDS, Velasquez, Overeem have all had to do a lot more to earn their status. Overeem is probably No.1 realistically,
Fedor will smash him in the rematch
He didnt even really tap…. he could have fought through that weak shit! I mean come on the guy armbar’d a bear once. You know how strong bears are? And fedor looked out of shape to begin with, i seriously think he ate to much ice cream this training camp.. i know its a intricate part of his program but maybe it’s time he should switch to low fat. ;)
"The Red Eye Jedi Holds a 7th Degree Black Belt In BongHitsu"
not
not sure what your point is?? He gave in? Hes too fat? He got beat fair, pure and simple
The winky face means he is joking.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yeah
But the ‘Fedor will smash him in the rematch’ threw me off?!!
Why is that hard to believe? Brock smashed Mir in the rematch. GSP did the same to Serra. Its not crazy to think that, man.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
your missing my point
I wasnt sure what he was getting at, the comment was contradictory, read my post again!!
fedor may well beat Werdum in a rematch, id like to think so to be honest!!
It was suppose to be
just to get someone who couldnt understand sarcasm to comment
And it worked ;)
"The Red Eye Jedi Holds a 7th Degree Black Belt In BongHitsu"
by Red Eye Jedi on Jun 27, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Some posters can't be in a good mood and take jokes even though their most hated enemy, Fedor, lost.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
no I got the sarcasm
But the ‘Fedor will smash him in a rematch’ certainly wasnt sarcastic!! Thats what confuddled me!!
Again, how is that confusing? Whether he was joking or not, its pretty straight forward.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
it was
confusing as the heading contradicted the content!!
Its all from the point of view of a blind fedor lover
;)
"The Red Eye Jedi Holds a 7th Degree Black Belt In BongHitsu"
by Red Eye Jedi on Jun 27, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
No kidding. I have never understood posters getting worked up over someone who does not know that they exist.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
worked up lol
Are you seeeeeeeerious?!! Im simply trying to understand the post, I get it now!! Us Scottish guys have a different sense of humour u know!!
I dont hate Fedor either, I just get annoyed with all the nonsense talk about the guy!!
Ok, fair enough. I don't care about Fedor, either. Good or bad.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I just posted on another thread that I'll wait this one out
800+ comment posts all week no doubt…nothing but a bunch of ‘I told you so’ and ‘I always said…’. I’ll read like normal but I’ll see ya’ll next week when the trolls decided to leave.
Ha! Well you have more than 25 posts Deuce
And you know it always turns into ’you’re a homo’ on a night like this.
You called me an ass last October OJR. I will have my vengence (shaking finger)
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I probably meant show me some ass, Deuce (no homo). :)
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You know the regular always say no homo while the new trolly posters are always calling out the homos
Why is that?
they are just lacking in creativity
small minds think alike.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
so that was the official OJR Booty Club welcome wagon.
Things are starting to make sense.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Sure you can...hmm, just take a pic of your gluteus maximus and umm...post it in your profile?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Ugh! You have mortally wounded my heart, woman...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
LOL. Represent, Deuce! DSmith - just an inside joke Mac and I started.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Ahhh...ya'll know I skip out for days at a time
I miss stuff like that. I have to get back in the swing of things.
Full moon.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
GJ Werdum
I called it. Fedor will be back. I am not a very big fan of Fedor but he is far from #1 P4P fighter. It’s kinda funny how almost all of you said he should be fighting championship fights and not top contenders. Fedor couldn’t beat the top 5 HW’s in the UFC. I hope he bounces back.
Awww man...
I was definitely pulling for Fedor, always loved his style. Am looking forward to see his next fight and now maybe m-1 can’t be so crazy in their negotiations with the UFC. If Fedor is up to it, I’d love to see how he would stack up against some of the HW’s in the UFC. Or he can just retire, he’s still going to the have one of the best records and be known as one of the, if not the most devastating force in all of MMA. War Fedor till the day I die!
Werdum played it wonderfully, I was throwing a shit fit when Fedor followed him into the guard when he clearly didn’t land any clean shots on Fabricio.
Best record?
Best record if your talking about numbers, certainly not the best if your talking about competition
He fought...
The top guys and beat them all in Pride. That’s like Velasquez beating Brock, JDS, Carwin, and all the other best HW’s in the UFC without losing. That would be a huge accomplishment. Fedor, in recent interviews though doesn’t seem like he’s up to fighting anymore though. Much props to the guy, whether he decides to keep fighting or not.
no it is not
He was fighting guys like sobral, randleman, shilts, hong man choi, rogers, aa past his prime, TS past his prime, heath herring twice!!
I give credit to a number of his wins like cro cop, nog, coleman etc, but many of his wins are against poor level fighters and MW and LHW’s
Why
Does the truth hurt? I’m simply stating facts!
by the real mo on Jun 27, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BEFORE U READ THIS TAKE NOTE WERDUM
Fedor lost because of the same reason Rey Misterio Jr fall offf the ropes , the same reason roy jones did after going 49-1 much like fedor his only loss coming via dq …..is because he had to show you how good he real is , you cant see it til they finally mess up , then you relize how good they really are , kind of like if you dont like your mom right now , but if she dies then you know how you’ll feel . so CHEER UP….FEDOR IS THE GREASTEST EVER
P.S.For the Hater ….including you Dana , Fedor was not unconcious he did not get put to sleep he didn’t get chuck lidell’ed if anything i think judging from his eye that werdum had a hard on while applying that triangle and that what got him in the eye because i didn’t see werdum land one punch
P.P.S Werdum is the guy in jail that stabbs you in your sleep or while your eating , he’s the guy that knock you out with his eyes closed , he threw that triangle up for dear life , if Fedor had told him to get back up , i think he woulda passed out right there …..but werdum is no bum by the way he beat gonzaga twice by ko vera rectenly and loss to “the pitbull” AA and the newly nutt-hugged junior dos santos ….a 10 guy ….right? nutt huggers ???
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:19 AM EDT reply actions
you said
much like fedor his only loss coming via dq
It wasnt a dq it was a cut
LOOK IT UP BUDDY
IT WAS A DQ DUE TO CUT …..
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
where do u guys come from?
Fedor got DQ’d for getting cut by an illegal blow??
THAAAAAAAAAATTT WHAAAAATTTTT EEEEYYYYYYEEEEEE
SAID …..U RETARTS
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate RETARTS
They are so stupit.
Duhhhhh
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
What's that RETART?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
hahahaha
RETART!! Im not even responding to this
in fact I am
It was not a DQ it was a doctor stoppage!! How can someone get disqualified for an opponent illegally cutting them??
I wasn't talking to you and I was calling Bondthelay a RETART because that is how he spelled it a bit higher up.
I agree with you Mo. He wasn’t DQ’d.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Yeah
Yeah Jay i know i was responding to the RETART not you buddy lol
Couldnt have planned that myself lol
I got messed up with the responses
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
no sweat
There are various levels of hilarity on here Im enjoying this:D
everyone want to be
Zack
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
U CAN PUT YOUR HELMET BACK ON
AND I TELL YOU LATER
by BondTheLaySilva on Jun 27, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope
Strikeforce renegotiates the contract and cuts M-1 co-promotion out (they bring nothing to the table). Then maybe Fedor will finally go to the UFC some day.
by virginiatech on Jun 27, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
I’m still a Fedor fan but this has just fucked M1
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
I dont' think Dana would mind Tap out making Fedor shirts now
Cuz he really TAPPED OUT
LOL
how funny would it be now that Fedor lost, if Brock also loses.
Fedor-Brock to see who’s the #2? HW in the world
by 49erEmpire on Jun 27, 2010 1:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Where's Mr. Strikeforce(worby)?
I think your company is in deep shit!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
I bet Overeem goes back to japan and doesn't defend his belt for a long time, again.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
You ppl are hilarious
Fedor is the number one heavyweight look at his record and opponents. I personally was going for Werdum. Brock Lesnar (who i’m a fan of) is number 2 with a 4-1 record and beat the likes of herring, mir, and coutoure and some asian dude half his size. These rankings are bullshit and you know it. And for not fighting top competition he has fought quality opponents in the past couple years not cans. The UFC (which I love) is brain washing everybody that they only have talent. Look at his size and look at the way he’s won and the wars he’s been in. Greatest heavyweight of all time IMO and im not a huge fedor fan.
Also Werdum gets cut after a loss to JDS
because he was talking about being in the mix. Lesnar gets a instant shot after beating Herring. Guys like CAIN AND JDS are still waiting on shots and they have fought better competition then CARWIN OR LESNAR
Great posts, man. Agreed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
But Werdum was never cut
He just signed somewhere else after his contract was up. It happens
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Very objective. I try to be the same when I post. Again, good stuff.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
M1
just changed their name to Zero Leverage
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Hahaha! Pretty good.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
serves him right
fedor is fat, and out of shape
how can anyone respect that?? seriously the guy shouldnt fight at heavyweight, but he doesnt like to train or cut weight so he just glides along fighting sub par competition
im glad he lost. fuck fedor.
live simply.
shouldn’t that say something to you? hes fat and out of shape and has a 31-2 record. It’s actually pretty amazing
Fedor
Is still the man and a true warrior. He is the best of all time so far period. All u MMa Newbies know who u are and need to stop trying to shit on a true legend and the best the sport has seen so far. Fuck all u Fedor Haters. U pussys have no right or reason to hate on a true legend. Werdum got a good sub.. Every fighter knows that Fedor is the best and they all give him his respect. ONly a PUSSY LIKE DANA WHITE WOULD BE HAPPY.
BTW I WOULD fuck DANA UP in a BOxing MAtch Period SEE me at Light HEavy U FAT PUSSY.. Universal Boxing Queens youtube it pussys
I <3 Rashad Evans
Nobody is hating on Fedor or his record.
Just his retarded fans. We’ve been waiting for you especially.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
yea i hate fedor because of his retard fans thinking he is god
I would never go 30 days without sex.
Joe Rogan
I don't hate Fedor because of his fans, I hate his fans. That is it.
Truth be told I like Fedor. He is a wonderful man.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
yeah
the fedor/arlovski fight was on earlier…..and it wasnt fedors excelence that impressed me, but arlovskis dumbness that dissapointed me.
arlovkski alomost had him KOd and threw that dumb knee
anyone with a brain knew fedor would lose soon enough
live simply.
What
Listen Newbie not once did Fedor look like he was going to be KO u moron. Stop it. He was getting beat but no where near looking to be Ko. WOW fucking Newbies. And everyone that ever fought has lost a fight so thank you for stating the obvious.
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
embarrassing
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jun 27, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
that pic shows it perfectly
fedor is fat
anyone who is dedicated to training wouldnt look like that
live simply.
LOL
Coming from a guy that sits behind his comp… O wait are you a world champion.. Fuckin Faggot.
Fedors fat ass got his the best record in MMA and the title as the best ever u pussy
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
you call me a faggot and a pussy, all from behind a comp
you hypocritical bastard
live simply.
U made
A fuckin stupid ass commment. so what if hes fat? he is a world champ come on man dont make me take a shit on you seriously just chill out.
I <3 Rashad Evans
by The real ZACK on Jun 27, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
No reason to bring up Fedor's appearance. You are right Zack
That is for Him and Jenny Craig to worry about. Not us.
I had to.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
please tell me what org or belt fedor holds???
what org is he champ of??
please shit on me.
live simply.
WAMMA baby!
haha!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
WAMMA BELT
Didn’t Finkelstein say the “wamma” belt was on the line this fight?
haha wamma
a made up belt for fedor to hold
i own the BPITW belt too by the way
the “best person in the world” belt…try and take it from me….
live simply.
I know but anytime I get a chance to bring up the WAMMA belt
I just can’t pass up the opportunity.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Not WAMMA anymore
He has to give that belt back or give it to Werdum or something doesn’t he?
I know it isn’t worth anything and it don’t mean shit, but he can’t continue to be called the WAMMA champ.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
LOL.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yuck. Yes there is plenty wrong with that!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't understand how people can see that video.
I for one have never seen it and never will.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Because I know what it is and know what grosses me out.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
I only saw maybe ten seconds and that was more than enough.
Sometimes asking ’how bad can it be" is a really dumb question to ask yourself.
My friend told me he saw it and described it to me. I looked at him and told him as serious as I could, "This is why you don't have a girl, pendejo."
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
See no one described it to me
All they kept saying was about horrible it was…man I couldn’t find my mouse fast enough.
that doesn't matter newfie
its his overall fighting career.
StrikeForce is done!!!!!
after overeem and werdum fight they need to bolt to the ufc…the fight between overeem and fedor might have give SF some staying power, but now its over…
I know more about anything than you do...
by ItalianStallion54 on Jun 27, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions
Shutup
its easy to call it when u lose 28 times in a row…and shogun wont have the longest reign…a silva will
I know more about anything than you do...
by ItalianStallion54 on Jun 27, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva will easily catch one of shoguns kicks and knock it him out with a right hand! followed by a left
by Knowledgereigns on Jun 27, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a big fan of Andy but anything can happen. NO ONE is unbeatable.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Some people will still argue that point, even today.
I think Shogun would have a legit chance. Would give anything to see that fight.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
no he wont
silva will beat shogun if they ever fight….which is a likely possibility
I know more about anything than you do...
by ItalianStallion54 on Jun 27, 2010 2:38 AM EDT reply actions
andy said hed be upset
if he fought the nogs, machida, shogun and wand oh yea and filoh.
so i doubt itll happen, but just my opinion
also andy being on punishment is far from a shogun fight.
id wanna see it tho.
SHOGUN SLAYED THE DRAGON! Hell Yeah
by Phenomenal Angel on Jun 27, 2010 8:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I never said machida idiot
Silva will beat shogun if they fight
I know more about anything than you do...
by ItalianStallion54 on Jun 27, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions
since u want to be hateful to everyone
how bout fuk u,….
and here when i said i see fedir tapping
http://www.mmamania.com/2010/6/24/1534874/fedor-emelianenko-the-ufc-will#40461911
Shogun will have the longest championship reing in the UFC
yea silva will fuck up shogun like how forrest beat shogun
and silva destroyed forrest
I would never go 30 days without sex.
Joe Rogan
that means shit TD. Chuck beat wandy but jardine beat CHuck so that meant jardine should of won right?
Look what happen jardine got ktfo ? you make no sense dude
k maybe that was a bad example
but i feel that shogun gonna do what he always do and that’s run in throwing hay maker and get caught by a counter by Silva
I would never go 30 days without sex.
Joe Rogan
Congrats To Fabricio, first of all
And Fedor made an obvious error in judgement, which I think cannot truly signal a decline in his skills, as in the first round he did knock him down. I would like to see a rematch, but well done on the triangle.
Yesssssssssss! I wanted Werdum to win, Its silent from the Fedor nuthuggers.
At least i can say goodbye to that rediculous number 1 heavyweight ranking that he had. If Fedor cant beat Werdum i doubt hee would survive in the UFC.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
Yeah I can see that Fedor usually has a rematch clause in his contract.
And M1 can avoid Overeem at the same time. Sneeky Russians.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Some of the comments are laughable Fedor is the greatest hw ever at this point and has proved it over the years, I agree he should have gone to the ufc to fight the best but to everybody talking the bullshit about jds a Cain etc beating him the fact is as last night proved you never no what’s gonna happen in mma
by stebrillz on Jun 27, 2010 4:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fuck all you Fedor Haters, blow me sideways...God I'm so fucking pissed right now..
Well I did come back from the bar, I feel like my world is turned upside down… god I fucking hate dana and werdum…I hope Fedor gets a rematch with him and fucking breaks his neck.
I hate Dana white, he's a piece of shit, and werdum is a mother fucker
pissed off
I think he looked slightly pissed off andd will take revenge there was still some hunger in his eyes..or this was it … who knows..
exactly what I expected to happen..........
Werdum would try to sucker him in just when Fedor thought he had him……..over confident……….
A plus game plan for Werdum and he takes out Fedor. Stop being so damn humble!!! Fedor is NOT the best in the world and YOU just proved it.
Overeem wrecks Werdum……… Overeem is not the same fighter as their last matchup.
Anyone notice how ridiculously large his arms are………length and width??
On a side note……Strikeforce is so generic. Their crew is a joke. I mean, how bad is it that you look terrified to talk to Fedor because he lost…….stumbling over yourself.
Im not shocked or impressed by Werdum
Fedor straight up made a mistake he would destroy Werdum 100 out of a 100 times with just a one time mistake so i dont think Fedor is done and he wasnt beat i m only Bummed because i wanted to see Fedor vs alister
He will learn from this and I can't wait to see his next fight. The loss will make him more determined
He said it best, “I made a mistake”. It wasn’t a KO. If it were I would be concerned for his future. This will make him a sharper fighter. Dana White may have jumped for joy when Fedor tapped, but when he landed, I bet he was kicking himself for letting Werdum go after only one loss. I hope Werdum and Overeem fight soon and that Fedor get’s the winner. That’s two killer main events in the future for Strikeforce. Cung Le looked fantastic. I hope he continues to fight. When will Cyborg be challenged? Did Gina Carrano fall off the planet? The Josh Thompson fight wasa fun fight to watch too. It was a great night of fights!
Werdum got cut after his loss
because after he strung together those wins, they went and renegotiated his contract and to pay him more. Then he lost his very next fight. They cut him to avoid continuing to pay him money they didn’t feel his was worth. He isn’t the first person it’s happened to.
And Cyborg will never be challenged.
Cyborg never be challenged?
I doubt it. There will be some one to come along that puts her in her place. Check the bellator girls out , jus last week this chick had a brutal KO due to a knee to the face and she went limp. So someone will come along
by Getknockedmma1 on Jun 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha :]
Seriously though, I’ve had to hear about how Fedor is the best for the last five years or so. I never really thought that his wins were anything especially spectacular-just look at who he’s fought. I was grinning ear to ear last night. Sick of people proclaiming him as the best MMA fighter. Anderson and GSP are the two best at this point. hee hee!!!!
The future is unclear, as is the state of the divisional and pound-for-pound rankings. Does Fedor’s first loss in nine-and-a-half years send him tumbling down the top ten list? Or does he hold strong in the top five?
I don’t think he tumbles out of the top 5 – 10 automatically, but he’s not #1 anymore. After that, it’s a gradual decline even if he wins again, unless he’s beating top ranked guys.
Haha
Shit had me laughing last nite. All the fedor dick riders could fall back. I bet Dana might not even sign him now. I think he’s deff gonna pick up Werdum. Now here comes all the excuses why fedor loss. He lost and that’s the bottom line
by Getknockedmma1 on Jun 27, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
Dana is not going to sign Fedor!!! I think Dana just wanted to sign him to show everyone he is not the best HW in MMA. I really hope people do not bring up Fedor’s age in any of these conversations. Fedor should be in his prime right now. But it looks as if he is on the decline of his career. He hardly made it out of the Roger fight. Again, if Rogers had the experience he would have finished Fedor. NOW!!!! We might see a rematch of AA vs Fedor. I would like to watch that fight again.
I fully agree. His age has nothing to do with it.
His training regimen and not taking Werdum seriously are the real issue.
I don't want Dana to sign fedor
Dana does treat his fighters like shit, fedor is too good for that. Everyone eventually loses, Fedor will be back better than ever and he WILL own this guy in a rematch. Am still confused at his reckless abandon in this fight, I guess he bought into his own hype and underestimated this guy, he won’t make the same mistakes twice. Ferdor/werdum 2, Fedor by vicious KO.
I hate Dana white, he's a piece of shit, and werdum is a mother fucker
MAN O MAN,
Some of you guys on here defy logic. Jay, you’re a cool cat but how can you talk about Fedor being old and then go on and say that no one will catch onto Brocks wrestling for 10 years? You know what the age difference between Brock and Fedor is? 9 months. Recognize that Fedor is the GOAT in the HW division. He lost, everyone does eventually.
Too many of you guys get caught up in what Dana Scully says and start hating Fedor just because the UFC can’t get him. Think for yourselves. A man with a 32-2 record is something to respect.
I respected Fedor in every one of my posts. I'm sad for him.
I’ve always maintained that Fedor is the GOAT. He just isn’t the greatest anymore. A lot of you guys had a rough time admitting Nog wasn’t top 5 anymore. I’m sure this will not be any different.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko will be forever regarded as one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time. During the his time in PRIDE FC, he was the absolute best heavyweight in the world. Going unbeaten for over nine years is not merely unbelievable, it is totally incomprehensible. Facing opponents like CroCop and Big Nog just makes it more unfathomable.
However, even he is but a man. Even if a fighter could win 95% of his matches, there will be defeats. The greatest fighter in the history of the sport made one or two microscopic mistakes – and made them in the world of a decorated grappler. A lesser grappler probably couldn’t have gotten the tap. Kudos to Werdum for being there and getting it.
Is Fedor one of the all-time greats? An emphatic yes. The man belongs up there with every single giant of the sport.
Is he the best heavyweight today? No. Up until yesterday it was debatable. Fabricio Werdum made it conclusive.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jun 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
Good post and I agree 100% with all of it.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Please..
He fought alot of cans in those 9 years. And judging by how him and m1 ducked Brock , I knew all along he wasn’t tested at his level, not consistantly anyway. The #1 HW should fight top contendors. And that just wasn’t the case. And now he lost to werdum, so WHAT NOW?
by Jesse13 on Jun 27, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rocky Marciano 49-0. The only undefeated heavyweight champ that retired with the title in hand.
Fedor is still top dog in my book. It is his character and attiude that impresses me the most. You know he knew this day was coming. He even rehearsed what he would say,“You have to stand before you can fall”. I am happy for him and the pressure relief that this must provide for him. I love watching him fight and I hope he continues until someone knocks him out. Anybody can get tapped. People are claiming Lesnar to be the best even though he tapped to Frank Mir. That is the beauty and foundation of this sport. His fair weather fans can move on to their next flavor of the month. I still consider him to be the baddest dude on the planet.
Fedor Still Reigns
There are a lot of myths out there about Fedor’s recent loss. http://fedorsloss.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-time-to-unfold-truth-about-fedors.html
I try and debunk them at my blog. Check it out, as IMO, Fedor still Reigns!

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