Bob Reilly: Don't legalize a 'brutal sport' like MMA just to make a buck
by Jesse Holland on Jun 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
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"Most of us believe this is a brutal sport. Some of us are willing, however, to legalize it because of the money it brings in, and I find that a pretty horrific type of attitude and position to have, because we're trying to stop bullying in schools, we're trying to stop gang violence and domestic violence."
New York Assemblyman Robert Reilly, D-Colonie, is afraid of losing the fight against domestic violence and school bullying if the "brutal sport" of mixed martial arts finds its way to the "Empire State." He also complains that his fellow lawmen, many of whom feel the same way he does about MMA, would legalize it anyway as some sort of financial band-aid to cover the state's massive wound that has been hemorrhaging cash under the current (and probably former) administration. Anyone think it's just a matter of time before the UFC hits Madison Square Garden? Or will the legal dinosaurs make sure this new bill to legalize MMA remains extinct?
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Atta boy Reilly! Don't let MMA boost violence in the NY!
Leave this barbaric “sport” for hicks, and gangsters! Don’t give in bro! Fuckin bloodthirsty vultures these ppl are nowadays! You’re all we have left! Reilly! Reilly! Reilly! Everyone, come on: Reilly! Reilly! Reilly!….
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reilly Reilly Reilly
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
just thank your lucky stars we live in Canada, Jay
Cause apparently NY is the last sane State in the USA. Bunch of idiots everywhere else.
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well if you look at where mma is legal
you will see a shit load of bullying and a ton of senseless violence. new york on the other hand is a utopia where nothing bad ever happens. we should keep this place as such and not let it get infected with the plague that is mma
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
we wouldn't want those guys up in Queensbridge becoming violent...
by theworldismine on Jun 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
now you're starting to understand
Way I look at it:
Mass
Murderer
Applications
^^^Thats what you hand out when hiring “MMA” fighters.
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we could construct a giant fence or wall around New York to keep it pristine and only allow certain people in and out?
YA!
Jimbobb?!? More like Jimbobb ‘the fuckin GENIUS’!!!
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watch out--Worby is a wolf in sheep's clothing . . .
You’ll be in his display pic soon enough, tied to a chair with a ball gag strapped to your face:
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
i appreciate the hostel reference
American men go for $40,000 where I work…
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Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t even seen it.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
WHAT!?!
You asshole! Go watch the first one and its sequel! Now! I best not see another Jackanapes comment for 4 hrs! The 2nd one somehow managed to trump the deaths in the first one! Man the woman blood bath was the biggest ‘wtf’ of the movie year for me. A modern day take on Elizabeth Bathory, no doubt.
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
I had put it in the same basket as Saw and that shit doesn’t excite me. Well, the first Saw was passable I suppose, but I would never watch the sequels.
But I know hardly anything about Hostel.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
A bunch of rich bastards pay for the chance to kill tourists using whatever means they dream up.
Not much of a story but lots of blood.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Not horror IMO. I don't see the attraction of blood splattering and ribs being removed. I prefer old school suspense and characters that scare the shit out of you. Silence of the Lambs kicks the shit out of Hostel.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don’t see the attraction of blood splattering and ribs being removed. I prefer old school suspense and characters that scare the shit out of you.
Perfectly said.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Agreed with every word
At least Saw (well the early ones at least) has a great plot, interesting characters, a strong cast and builds up suspense, Hostel is just pure gore and is a typical lazy shock film that doesn’t scare at all. Give me a proper thriller like Silence of the Lambs or Psycho over low budget gorefests anyday.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
A story...
When I was leaving MTL (waiting in line to go through customs), I mentioned to the security guy that I saw the UFC event.
Security Guard : The reason for your visit?
Me : UFC event.
SG : Pleasure?
Me : Yeah, it was a good time.
Older woman in line: Yeah, watching people beat the crap out of each other, that’s pleasure for you.
Older woman’s husband : Ha!
Me (staring at him) : Yeah, I grew up on boxing so I guess I am just violent in nature.
Older woman’s husband (staring at my goatee) : Um, excuse us, please.
Older woman : (silence)
SG (laughing)
Moral of the story. Most people are stupid. The End.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barbarian!
That woman zinged you good! Haha ‘so you enjoy watching ppl beating the crap out of each other?’. Well played sensible woman. Well played.
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha. nice.
What a fucking bitch.
That’s the irritating thing about stupid, ignorant people—they don’t know any better.
They walk away thinking they’re righteous despite the gratuitous rudeness. Mind your own business, bitch.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
by Jackanapes on Jun 22, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I hate most people.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
haha yeah
It makes the good people that much more worthwhile and appreciated.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Exactly.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Jerks.
*ABM*
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
STFU Worby, get back in the trunk!
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
O_o
Well, I never!!!
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
People are stupid..but not as dumb as Reilly..
With boxing, hockey, football.. are all pretty aggressive full contact sports. Not to long ago I was hearing about " BullyProof " that program out of Torrance Gracie Academy to empower victims of bullying to BJJ.. to help their self esteem etc. MMA being legal in NY or not will not affect school/domestic violence. Education and awareness will.
OJR...
my grandma still thinks MMA is the same as The Wrestling my grandpa watches. She has never been to a fight and refuses to watch them especially because hitting people with steel chairs is cruel
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
God bless your abuelita...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
It's sad when people form opinions on something without knowing anything about it
At least your grandmother isn’t a politician, it’s damn right frightening that someone as clueless as Reilly is allowed to make decisions based on things that he is clueless about.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
NEW YORK
has one of the highest crime rates in the fucking country compared to alot of places LOL How many big name fighters have been charged with domestic violence in the last 10 years. How many fighters do you see throwing up gang signs whats a tool bag this reilly is
way to pass the buck, douchebag
There are going to be bad influences everywhere, mma isn’t one of them. It it solely the job of parents to snuff out bullying/domestic violence in their kids lives and slimeballs like this who think different are full of poo
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jun 22, 2010 10:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
full of poo, full of poo, full of poo!
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Lol
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jun 22, 2010 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bullsh*t!
MMA is for emo kids who listen to Marilyn Manson and hate their parents! If they didn’t have outlets like getting into a cage in front of thousands of horrible excuses for humans, maybe these kids would find healthy outlets, like school, and trades.
Wait til one of your favorite fighters dies in the cage! Then tell me how you’ll feel when Tito, or Koscheck, or Borck, or Bisping is lying there dead!
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hey man, can't pick!
That’s the thing! Could be any of those fan faves!
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh for sure, all joking aside, it would be catastrophic for that to happen on the Main Stage PPV
Or even worse on a free Spike card. Could end the sport.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
on CBS!
From Cyborg Santos! Holy f*ck it would be f*ckin armageddon if a broad got killed on prime time tv!
*ABM*
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All womens combat sports. I doubt it would stop the UFC.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
haha @ the random 'BORCK!' fan
*ABM*
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dude i may hate brock lesnar
but his little known twin Borck is the tits.
This is Borck. Forget the fact that it looks like Mork from Mork and Mindy, it is most assuredly Borck.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock simultaneously eating and fucking a side of raw meat = Borck.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
“…I Borcked her!”
“Did you just say Borck?”
-Road Trip
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"Are those her panties?" ... "What did you do? Skin a cheetah?"
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
The Beast aka Brock Dinosaur Brain Lesnar.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
WHO'S BORCK?!?
WHO IS BORCK?!? Well he’s just the biggest mother fucker on earth to be KO’d in a cage in 11 days, son.
*ABM*
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan "Richard from the hit show Friends" Severn.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He should have been Dan “Magnum PI” Severn. Too bad. That was a missed opportunity. He could have been known by one word only, like Shogun, Fedor, etc. simply known as—Magnum.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
yeah honestly
that would have been awesome. Also any variety of nickname involving mustache or baby diaper would have worked for me.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not quite hearing you, full of what?
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I’d just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
by DoctorSamson on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Reilly is my hero
I hope he gets a nobel prize for that speech. You can clearly tell the research that went into it. A true american HERO!!! LOL
The taste of blood......beautiful.
Another Typical Retarded Politician
That has absolutely no idea about the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. I still find it to be lunacy that MMA is considered Barbaric but boxing is considered legitimate. How many boxers have died in the ring…I do not know that answer, but i do not that the number has to exceed that of MMA. If you are not a fan of combat sports then I get that, but if New York is not willing to sanction MMA, then they should do away with Boxing, Wrestling, Karate, and shit Football while we are at it.
These guys have no idea what they are talking about, and the majority of them are just trying to get their names out there because this is a hot button topic…That’s what pisses me off the most about people like this moron Bob Reilly. He is trying to further his political career by fighting this! But he will eventually lose, and that makes me very fucking happy.
More people died from heat exhaustion playing kids football last year than have ever died in the short history of MMA.
But these dicks like to ignore that fact.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
cool stat
what is the list of official deaths from MMA related activities?
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean since i've been following the sport
i can only think of 1 kid who got paralyzed shooting in for a takedown incorrectly. That was recent I believe
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
okay, now to be fair
UFC (main stage) has only been around since ‘93’. Only been a hot topic, and proved lasting power since 2002’ish. No, no one on the big stage has died. Not many on the big stage in boxing have either, and its been around 100 yrs and then some. So, its proved itself to be not a fatality sport. Obviously neither is MMA, but it is undoubtedly more brutal then Boxing. Or any other sport out there for that manner. I love MMA, I’m just fuckin around in my other posts, but it clearly is the most dangerous of all the sports we watch today, or ever for that matter.
In boxing and K1 when a fighter goes down, they get a count to allow the brain to recover, and allow the ref assessment if damage. In MMA, if the fighters on his game, he’ll already of followed up with a shot or 2/3/4…before the ref gets in there. Can be very dangerous. I see where these guys are coming from. The sport is scary to ppl who don’t understand, nor want to.
*ABM*
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No boxer has ever died on the big stage? You might want to check your history, worbs.
Back before the invention of the glove, many people died in the biggest boxing matches of the time.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
There was a few instances after the gloves(they made a good movie about one of them) where people were plastering their hands or cutting some of the stuffing out of the gloves that resulted in deaths.
I can’t remember the name of the movie or the boxer they were portraying, but it was a serious problem back in the 30’s-40’s.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
what about Billy Collins JR
He was an undefeated fighter, who in !983 fought Luis resto resto and his team removed padding from his gloves, and used plaster apprius (sp?) Long story short he destroyed Collins career and i dont think he ever fought again after that beating. He didnt die, but boxers have I think it was sports science that was sayinf boxing was alot worse on the brain because the 16oz gloves slowly give a worse beating than a fist
yep
padded gloves like that, combined with the 8 count, allow a fighter to take multiple shots to the head and go on to fight with concussions. While this almost certainly also occurs in MMA, its much more prevalent in boxing. TKO calls save lives.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
collins didnt die in the ring that night
He did die shortly thereafter when he found out he would never fight again. His life spiraled in less than a year and he died in a car accident. The pics of his face from the day after he fought Resto are terrible to look at.
i agree its a pretty brutal sport
but if you look at the NFL in that same time frame the injuries are far worse. and in boxing after your 8 count you get to go back in there and take maybe another couple rounds of shots to the head.
jay, you illiterate f*ck!
Lol, I said “not many” on the big stage in boxing. I said “none” for big stage MMA (UFC). And yeah, before boxing gloves, I don’t consider that time frame/era to be the ideal ‘boxing’ I was referring to. Just like I don’t consider UFC 1 as a good reflection/judgment of MMA.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I misread.
You’re right.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I got this sentence and a half all messed up...
“No, no one on the big stage has died. Not many on the big stage in boxing have either, "
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
:D
Have you or would you wanna do pic/sig for CarWIN/Borck?
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by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to keep my sig that I have now until July 21st.
So I can’t really bet yet.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I’ve never done a. Sig/pic bet. But who you takin Worbs. I may take that challenge
by LOKIE on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean it isn’t obvious when he types CarWIN? Oh and the fact that he says Brock is going to lose in EVERY news article he posts in.
Okay cock sucker I over looked the WIN in carwin but sorry I don’t have the time to remember everyones pics or who they hate.
by LOKIE on Jun 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Touchy touchy
It is kinda funny Lokie. He also spells Brock as Borck every single time. even in the post you were responding to. LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Worby
It has been proven that taken repeated blows to the head causes more long term damage to the brain then taking a few heavy shots (like MMA). If you look at the actual amount of clean punches that land in an MMA fight, you will be very surprised (Not Many – Try watchign a fight in slow motion).
I agree that MMA is a very tuff sport, but i wouldn’t just assume that it is more dangerous then boxing or football for that matter. The facts speak for themselves and the studies prove those facts.
that's the thing,
You’re convincing the wrong guy. I need no facts. I wouldn’t refute your facts or opinions on this manner regardless, since I clearly am obsessed with this sport lol. But, that takes nothing away from how much more brutal the appearance of Sobral (from Mo), Lindland (from Vitor), Liddell (from everyone), Jardine (from Wandy), Quarry (from Franklin), Bisping (from Hendo), and countless others almost each card (more then monthly) are portrayed to the nay sayers lying on their backs looking to the heavens, allowing us to temporarily see in to their souls. Its pretty surreal sometimes. Convincing some ppl, is impossible when they see images like that. I love MMA, but even for me that rigid corpse moment can be a little uncomfortable.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yep
statistically, less brutal than other sports.
Visually? Yeah, sell this one to my grandparents. or my mom for that matter.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
although my gf digs it
makes me a happy panda.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
f*ck i love when a girl i'm dating likes mma
So much easier on my fight watching arrangements, and makes my package happy when I can watch the fights with her and she’s not b*tching, and knows the fighters. I love any sport with a girl. Teaching them or the ones that already know quite a bit. Either way its allllll good. Lol, til that stupid b*tch picks against who I’m rooting for she’s right! Whore! ;)
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HAHA!
The best part: my girl is from Brazil, and she seems to have a real emotional connection to the Brazillian fighters. Since I love most of the brazillian guys, this works out well.
She is quite a big Shogun and wanderlei fan.
We watched that UFC special that detailed the whole Chuck/Wandy fight, and she was really moved when Wanderlei said after to Dana “I’m sorry boss. I tried. I did my best boss.”
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't have to be Brazilian to feel a connection with Wand. That guy is beloved by all.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
just look at his tweets and you'll smile
“Ok guys this is Wanderlei I talk to my friends now. Today I knock him down my trainer but he give it to me back the next day”
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This post makes more sense then your original one
But you didnt say this in your original post…you said:
“In boxing and K1 when a fighter goes down, they get a count to allow the brain to recover, and allow the ref assessment if damage. In MMA, if the fighters on his game, he’ll already of followed up with a shot or 2/3/4…before the ref gets in there. Can be very dangerous. I see where these guys are coming from”
Two completely different points…I give you an A+ for the backtracking effort though.
and i give you an A+ for idiocy and incapability to comprehend thought
How am I back tracking? I’m presenting the opposition’s point of view. I’m showing you their side of the story, since you clearly are too blind to admit why it has troubles being regulated. Because you and Sport Sciene (you think) say that boxing is more dangerous doesn’t make it fact.
I tried to avoid a pointless argument, with endless google’s to prove one another wrong, since I’m in support of MMA’s legalization, but you clearly want to argue so, well done. Go ahead, copy and paste away. And if you want to use Sport Science as your example, give a look at who’s punch hurts the most to start from their program.
Rampages punch annihilated the bare knuckle hockey punch, and heftily beat out the pro boxers punch. There is multiple sources to refute and support each side and claim, but ppl like you tend to just accept what helps their side, and ignore what hurts it.
Reality is a word you choose to accept or deny. I think you’ve made your choice a long time ago.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if i may
Though it may be true that the MMA fighter punches harder, I believe it has been proven that multiple blows to the head while allowing a fighter to recover brings on the onset of dementia pugilistica (butchered that spelling) much quicker due to fighting with concussions.
that having been said, I believe MMA to appear much more brutal, which is why it is so hard to sell it to certain people.
SCIENCE!!!!!
But seriously i think we’re obviously all on the same page here. LEGALIZE IT! (both herb “dean” and MMA)
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re right on. the standing 8 is the most dangerous thing about boxing. mutliple concussions in one night.
Can’t argue with the dead guy look tho. Honbuckle-Gono kinda freaked me out, even tho it was the most awesome thing ever.
I don’t watch much boxing, but from what you guys have said, are there really just less brutal looking KO’s?
I’m not the biggest boxing fan, but its RARE to see a boxer knocked comletly out from what I’ve seen
by LOKIE on Jun 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ah
there are plenty of brutal KOs, but they usually crumble. that stiffen up and go down thing…seems to me to be unique to MMA and K-1…or at least rarer in boxing.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Worby
I have no problem understanding what you were writting. You made two completely different points. Your first point was that MMA is more dangerous (not gonna paste your original statement again), and then you said that it LOOKS more dangerous. Those are two completely different things, and the only reason why you changed your point is because you got called out on it. I comprehend fine…
P.S. Arguing that because Boxing gives at 8 count it is safer then MMA is ridiculous and not based on any sort of fact…That has also been proven to cause more long term damage…And I didnt get that info from “Sports Science” or anything like that…
Good point about the visual effect of the knock out. Most peopl don’t care about facts its what they see, and a guy knocked staring at the lights flat on his back is akward at times. Even though tests have proven boxing is worse. People only believe what they see. Not a lot of people change my mind, but you just did. I agree with what your sayin
by LOKIE on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve never seen a knock out boxin like the one hendo put on bisping, or the one page put on wandy, or nate, and maia. Maybe it does happen but I’ve never seen it personally
by LOKIE on Jun 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus the fact that you are very likely to get hit AFTER being ko'd at least once...
a lot of people see that as unsportsman-like.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i love it.
these old fucking assholes are fine with watching a guy get KO’d, get given 8 seconds to recover, and then go get KO’d a couple more times before it’s over
Yeah man
as times change, so does science, but people who grew up thinking a certain way are very prone to a static-mindset. So they think “well its ok the guys still standing he doesn’t have much damage” when in actuality his brain is saying “Excuse me (hiccup) but (hiccup) you to please to be get me to the fuck out of this (hiccup) ring?”
Also brain’s speak in russian accents.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what? I always heard that brains had russian accents.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
i honest to god cant think of any really in recent memory
Hatton got flattened fuck! But, still, he didn’t zombify like we see monthly in MMA. Also, the monthly cards allow for more to attack for nay sayers, vs boxings one big event semi annually. And more then often we see today’s big boxing fights going the distance as well, which in turn has made boxing appear a lot less barbaric when in comparison.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
actually
The standing 8 count is actually the exact thing that makes boxing more dangerous than MMA. A knockdown or knockout is actually a concussion. Taking a couple extra shots after being knocked out is still usually a single concussion.
The standing 8 count allows boxers to receive a concussion and continue fighting, often to receive 2 or 3 more concussions in the same night. It’s actually shocking to me that there aren’t more deaths in boxing. The biggest problem with HS football has been multiple deaths due to kids playing the week after receiving a concussion. In boxing, they do it in the same damn night. Albeit, it tends not to be nearly as fatal for those over the age of 18, but boxing is much worse for longterm health, except in the case of no-defense-brawlers like Chuck, Shonie Carter, and Chris Lytle
sorry man, but you guys are making it sound as if
every knockdown in boxing is a concussion. More then often, its getting rocked like almost every mma fight. Just cause you drop to a knee or take a ref break up from some punches, doesn’t necessarily mean the guy was concussed. I can agree on some counts, but the truth of the matter is that as in all physical sports, the gray area has lots of ifs/ands/buts, and that gray area added to the brutal appearance to non knowledgeable viewers, accompanied with the relatively young age of the sport is leading to these problems.
Again, I’m not on the boxing side, just shedding some light.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is undoubtedly true
Grey areas all over the place. We also don’t have enough empirical evidence regarding MMA- its too young. We’ll see how Chuck looks in 10 years…although its not looking good at this point…
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. cheers on...
..being willing to debate, and not argue. Huge difference, and it sure helps to open eyes, when both sides are able to present, and accept some positive and some negative.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
recent reading of Chris Nowinski’s book and articles has led me to believe that nearly every instance of getting rocked is a concussion, albeit possibly minor, but still a significant instance of brain trauma
The purpose of boxing is to hit without getting hit. That's a constant bombardment of head shots as the body punch is a lost art nowadays. Your brain can only take so many "shakes". Alot more "shakes" in boxing than in MMA. No numbers needed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
you’re spot on as well. i was just adressing worby’s contention about not everything truly being a concussion.
I mean everything I've read
has lead me to believe that Boxing is more dangerous than MMA, and also that the NFL is more dangerous than MMA, but again, MMA is young, lets give some of the older fighters with big records some time to go full retard.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine
Travis Wiuff wll have limited vocabulary in 5 years. Limited to:
Good
and
Ball
…and rape.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What light are you shedding Worby?
I understand that you are trying to be a contrarian and thats all well and good, but you have given no factual information in any of your arguements…Come on man. You say you are an MMA fan, but you are arguing on the side of boxing while presenting informaion as fact when that information is completely false. Come on Worby…If you are going to bring it and take the other side’s position then at least back it up with some “real” information. Just an FYI for next time.
Worby,
You don’t have Bull Riding in Canada? Dude, Man vs 2500 lb beast is WAY more dangerous than man vs man, no? I would also put extreme sports like skateboarding or street biking as much more dangerous as well.
When comparing MMA to other combat sports like boxing, it’s hard to really gauge the level of danger because it seems that boxers accrue more long term effects due to their brain being bashed with thick gloves without their neural networks having a chance to switch off. I would think that smaller gloves is safer because once your hit cleanly, you’re out. You don’t have to worry about a 12 round thrashing which would cause horrible long term effects. On the other hand, the cuts and potential for broken limbs are more severe but that doesn’t affect long-term health. Anyone wanna way in on this?
I agree in principle
Obviously there are acceptions to the rule (I.E. Griffin vs. Bonnar, A ton of Wanderlai fights, and etc.)…There are also a few fighters that a prown to all out, chin up hands flying fights…But agree with you for the very most part. Plus, the majority of MMA fighters have far less fights/rounds then boxers do. I think that plays a huge role too.
“Most of us believe this is a brutal sport. Some of us are willing, however, to legalize it because of the money it brings in, and I find that a pretty horrific type of attitude and position to have, because we’re trying to stop bullying in schools, we’re trying to stop gang violence and domestic violence.”
Yes, because there’s a direct correlation between watching MMA, and school bullying, and gang and domestic violence. Oh wait, what’s that? You mean there aren’t any facts to back that up?
Get real, Reilly.
CHECK SOME FACTS AND HISTORY
First of all, to say that MMA is attributed to school bullying and domestic violence is insulting to martial arts. Martial arts teaches respect and discipline, you cant compare people who take out their personal issues on others with professional fighters who train for a living. Martial arts have turned so many peoples lives around. Even Chael Sonnen said with MMA your told straight up what your getting. These politicians have spent too much time behind a desk in their secluded lives. I have seen many teenagers who train in MMA, and yes some are egotistical bad apples, but most learn from it.
by Matthew Malin on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
If they legalized MMA in New York they could get some of these violent kids on the street to focus their frustration on an actual sport. Where do you think most of the great boxers come from? Mike Tyson would be dead right now probably or in prison if it weren’t for boxing. The same could be said for MMA. New York has the biggest violence problem, this Reilly guy should think some more about his people rather than what his old fashioned, uptight conservative morals are telling him. MMA could help New York, would help it.
by theworldismine on Jun 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
well not exactly...
I agree with the heart of your post, but regardless of what you see in movies, new york actually is one of the safer states in the country and new york city is one of the safest cities in the world. NY ranks 31s in terms of crime out of the country. It is actually safer than the mean streets of Oregon and Delaware.
interestin,didn't even know that, but even around the projects?
Because Im talking more about the demographics in NY where theres alot of drug violence and crime, if I’m correct that is; places like Marcy, Queensbridge, Harlem. Undeniably, there’s a lot of poor kids in New York who will eventually become dealers or other facets of the drug game, even worse, users. I think MMA could actually combat this, if schools could open up for affordable prices. Thanks for the info though
by theworldismine on Jun 22, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh totally
every place has its bad areas and new york is no exception, there are some definitely horrible areas but they are surprisingly small, and in my opinion probably safer than bad parts of places like detroit or DC
the thing about DC is that it is basically de facto segregated. Rock Creek Park separates NW from the rest of the city except downtown, so bad parts are so easy to avoid
i hope that didn’t come off as racist. It’s just my observation of the current socioecenomic situation
Also there's a lot of aids there
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, i know, i went to college in DC for 4 years and was a health policy major. had a couple internships dealing with stuff like that. really sad, and i really wanted to get out of there. moved to baltimore to crunch numbers for a insurance company instead
wow- talk about out of the frying pan...
and into the hypodermic needle. I went to college in Baltimore actually- we actually found small baggies of black tar heroin along charles street. my god.
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They might have to shut down their government soon
They can’t even manage their money. Fuck em, more events for everybody else. politicians think they know everything.
Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
LOL
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I like it. But yeah lost to tkkpal on the Cro Cop/Barry fight.
All because Barry wouldn’t chase him to the ground.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I live in New York
and am seriously considering finding out what school this old pricks children or grand children go to. Then i would find the toughest kid in their class and pay him to throw that little sissy mary in a daily jits move.
by SS Mighty Dubaya on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
lol, yeah! then he'd definitely want it legalized!.....
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You should pay the bully to beat the kids with chocolates and flowers so he doesnt relate it to MMA violence.
I would throw the flowers in the bully's face and hit him in the face with a brick. Then you kick the bully's teeth out and step on his hands to break his fingers.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You obviously grew up in a "different" neighborhood...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I mean sure, cause him bodily harm
is the same as giving a bully a fish.
But fuck him? Well, that’s teaching a bully to fish.
or if you take the fish, and beat him with it…that teaches him…to…get beaten…by…
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. You definately fit in here on Mania.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
could careless what
Bob Reilly thinks. He will be dead soon and MMA will be in New York. Your going to tell me the thought of his ugly little grandson coming home with tears in his eyes to tell Grandpa the kids at school rear naked choked him isnt worth not watching fights at MSG??
by SS Mighty Dubaya on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No Suprise
Just another Left Wing Looney Toon that does not know what the hell he is talking about. Reminds of the old days when the UFC was in its infancy and some left wing idiot at Time Warner blacked them out, because of the same excuse, but when asked about the porn PPV’s he couldnt cough up a legit response. Was very illustrative to say the least.
it's not about left or right. its just stodgy old assholes.
First was McCain, now this guy, with countless others from both parties in between. Old people fucking suck
What difference does it make?
Unless you’re going to block PPV’s, Spike, Versus, HD Net, Showtime, NBC, MAV TV and all the other stations that air mma then it doesn’t matter if they fight in MSG or Vegas or Newark. The kids still watch the fights. The only thing Riley is going to do is make sure MSG and the surrounding hotels don’t make a penny off it. The kids he’s worried about don’t go to the fights anyway. I’ve been to a few, I don’t know if I can remember ANY kids and if there were kids there they were damn few. The smart thing would be to allow it but impose an modest mma tax that goes to educating children that this is a sport and not just random fighting or something along those lines.
Thats true
I never thought about it, but kids really dont go to see the events live. What parent would shell out 175 dollars to have their kids in the nosebleeds.
For Jesse
Lawmen are police officers. Lawmakers are in the State Assembly.
Just another uninformed government jackass
No wonder the State of NY is going broke—the ex-Governor was deep into prostitutes, the current Governor is blind, and there are assclowns like Reilly in the legislature! I feel bad for the working citizens of NY, they don’t have a chance!
There are no such things as lesbians, just women who have not yet met Chuck Norris
I live in NY
Were are in soooooooooo much fucking debt and the taxes on everything are just ridiculous, he could be right because MMA in NY would generate the State money even if the NY Congress doesnt like it, it would still be a brilliant business move. Can u imagine a UFC match at MSG? it’d be fucking awsome
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