UFC Quick Quote: Fedor and his 'lunatics' don't want to do business -- we gotta get over it
by Jesse Holland on Jun 21, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
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"[Co-promotion with them] will never happen in a million years. [Strikeforce is] a minor league. Listen I have come to the realization and everyone else needs to too that Fedor (Emelianenko) doesn’t want to fight the best guys in the world. Believe me when I tell you guys I have done everything in my power, I have flown to crazy parts of the world, done all this stuff, been on the phone for hours, not hung out with my kids on weekends because I’m on the phone with these lunatics and just can’t make the deal. They don’t want to do it so we gotta get over it."
Dana White reaffirms to 790 the Ticket in Miami (via SportsRadioInterviews.com) what is becoming widely accepted among mixed martial arts fans: Russian Heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko will probably never fight under the Zuffa banner before calling it quits on his illustrious career. Of course the anti-"Emperors" will cite this as the biggest reason why he can't be considered as king of the heavyweights. But does the former PRIDE Heavyweight Champion need a UFC run to validate his legacy? The debate continues...
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well that sucks
but its not surprising
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
It's not like it hurts Dana...
like it hurts Fedor’s legacy. One of the top guys not wanting to come to the top company. Looks bad for him to everyone who isn’t a Fedor nut hugger. I like Fedor too but I’m not diluted like alot of his fans who say it’s okay that he doesn’t come to the UFC when it’s what everybody wants but him.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest in a way that nobody else has or could ever do. Very Matrix like. GSP on the other hand can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a decent fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or train for and just toys around with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds in a way that person's never been handled before. He's board at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW period. Facts are pretty amazing!
If they are negotiating...
It sounds like they want to come to the UFC. Just not on Dana’s terms. Agree or disagree with the terms…the fact that they are dealing shows that Fedor would do it for the right price.
Dana's terms are pretty generous...
M1 just doesn’t get a co-promotion which is way too much for them to ever ask the UFC to do. Just because Strikeforce does it doesn’t mean UFC should because they are the major company. Do you know how ridiculous it would be for the NFL or NBA to co-promote for one player? lol Fedor can wear M1 logos on his trunks. That’s good enough especially when every other top fighter that the UFC has gone after they got and didn’t need an ego trip 1 trick pony company to co-promote with.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest in a way that nobody else has or could ever do. Very Matrix like. GSP on the other hand can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a decent fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or train for and just toys around with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds in a way that person's never been handled before. He's board at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW period. Facts are pretty amazing!
Pretty generous...
In your opinion, Too bad your opinion DOESN’T MATTER HERE. Only The parties involved.
Once you own a promotion then you get a say.
But Fedor’s team wouldn’t be negotiating unless they wanted to get a deal done. He wants to fight in the UFC, just not on Dan’s terms. Whether you agree or not is unimportant.
Fedor wants to and always has fought the top guys.
I Dont Think Fedor Really Wants To Fight In The UFC
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't either
and I’m ok with that.
ans, you responded (as did I to you) but you really didn’t, lol!
When why negotiate a deal at all
If he didn’t want to fight in the UFC, why risk the possibility that Zuffa might say yes. Why waste the time.
If you think it so they can look like they are trying but dont really want to then you dont understand business or money. In business, you don’t ask for money that to don’t really want to get.
Dan totally contradicted himself. He says they dont want ot be in the UFC but hey are spending a ton of time trying to hammer out a deal…..LIES!!!!
Coker is doing the same thing
he is already planning an 8 man tourny for the MW belt yet says he and Jake are talking but they are off on their numbers. Why negotiate and talk of a MW tourny at the same time? why not focus on retaining arguably the 2nd or 3rd best WW in the world?
Bad analogy....
Coker knows which scenario he wants to happen and is hedging his bets if it falls through with Sheilds.
M1 isn’t trying for a deal that they hope falls through. And they aren’t hedging their bets with a sweeter UFC deal.
Not the same. If the UFC were have a change of strategy and decide that they would copromote then Fedor will be in the UFC.
You Don't Know That
“M1 isn’t trying for a deal that they hope falls through. "
Actually, I think the point of this article is that we are all (I say “we” as people that back Dana and think Fedor is ducking real competition) starting to think that they ARE wanting the deal to fall through by asking for something they know they can never have, that way people like you keep thinking Fedor is just a victim of circumstance and not someone who is avoiding the UFC because he knows he will lose there.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Great Analogy Kev
at lest in my opinion…….
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
So you obviously don't work in the real world.
Business people DO NOT ask for money that they hope they don’t get. Why waste the time. Only on TV do businessmen do these little charades.
It isn’t happening here. Welcome back to earth.
These aren't business men
These are mobsters and mobsters have to worry about image.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
But that's okay
You are a dying breed, most reasonable people are starting to see right through Fedor’s BS.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Okay...
I’ll believe your fantasy world about business charades, and russian mobsters and fake business offers to hide the fear Fedor has of a handful of new fish fighters….or not.
Dude, put down the pipe, turn off the TV and get a clue as to how real business men conduct themselves.
I love how you tried pretend that your opinion reflects the majority and that it’s right….LMFAO.
I Know Dave.....
There is no such thing as corruption in business…..
You’re the only one on here with a clue….
We should all come back down to earth…..
It’’s funny as hell……
Anything else I missed… King of All Knowledge ?
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Boo Hoo
“There is no such thing as corruption in business….”
Right, go ahead and prove M1 is Russian Mob…please try.Or is that just an internet rumor you heard. Please send a linkkto the article about the corruption in M1
“You’re the only one on here with a clue…”
I’m not saying I am…but you seem to have your head in the clouds.
“Anything else I missed… King of All Knowledge ?”
Um, yes, anything to support or back up your erroneous claims. They’re called facts. Try to have some to back up your BS.
If their was proof that M1 was the Russian Mob....
Then there would more than likely be no M1. Obviously the idea of organized crime is to not appear to be a crime family. IE. Gotti…ACting like a Rockstar Mobster gets you dead or in jail, while having devastating results in profits, freedom, and members in the family, clan, or faction.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Oh
“Obviously the idea of organized crime is to not appear to be a crime family. "
So you have no proof. No articles. Nothing. Just internet rumors and examples of real mobsters.
Just to recap Da Monkey, your saying they must be mobsters because there is nothing to indicate they are because thats the point of being a mobster…to cover it up. WTF?
I am not saying they are mobsters Dave...
I am just stating a simple fact. If there were headlines and links with M1 being mob related, Fedor would more than likely be A) Indicted with his mafia family or b) Be fighting for the UFC, since he would no longer have a company that needs co-promotion. Mobsters that make headlines for being mobsters, don’t stay mobsters for very long. Simple Logic. Is M1 the the Russian Mob? Maybe, maybe not. Not arguing with you just stating. You are correct most of what is said about M1 is here say.
Who is ranked #6 ? Are u refering to my Brock comment regarding him fighting top 10ers or was this to someone else? Just wondering because Brock is ranked #2 on every ranking I have seen from MMAweekly to Sherdog.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Hate to break this to you but he is currently ranked # 6
When Either Brock or Carwin lose (one has to lose) they will drop below Overeem, making hima t least #5.
Do you really need explained to you?
I don't think that...
I just dont make up shot about russian mobsters and business charades.
I know, logic is s real botch when it goes against the fantasy world that you have constructed…it feels like someone who throws logic at you is attacking you. I realized this in the 3rd grade….then I started using logic to develop my thoughts instead on internet rumors and TV shows.
Come on in to the logic pool. the water is great.
Great post JasonFahQ!!!
I agree 100%! Fedor will never be in the UFC! If he does than I will eat my words! If not than he just doesn’t want to fight the guys in the UFC!
aaahh no
Always fought top guys?!
Go back and rewatch some tape.
Okay, i just watched the entire Fedor fightography....
Yep, he has fought a better set of HW’s than any other fight in the world. I have to think about it but he has faced a better set of divisional foes than any fighter in any division at any time. And guess what….he is undefeated…just a cut stoppage….but he has never been defeated.
So tell me ASR…who has fought a better set of HW’s…who? Got rewatch your tapes and tell me.
Fedor doesnt fight in the best organization in the world, and doesnt CURRENTLY fight the best HW's in the world
That is a PURE FACT. Nothing you can argue there. 5 of the top 6 HW’s are in the UFC. I’m not taking anything away from him, I am positive he would come in as a favorite vs any current UFC HW, but the fact of the matter is his current priority is co-promoting his fights for M-1. If he wants to test himself and shut up all the people who question if he is the best (which unless he goes to the UFC, I am in that category), then he NEEDS to go to the UFC.
cant agree more...
what does fighting for your country have to do with fighting the best fighters in the world? makes no sense…fight 3-6 fights in the UFC sub and ko eveybody, what is the big deal!!!
Sure there is ...
The is larger but who are you to say that Fedor, Overeem, Rogers, etc would beat the UFC newfish. Prove it.
And as for your PURE FACT…lets talk about facts.
Fact: Fedor has fought (or agreed to fight) the highest ranked set of opponents over THE LAST TWO YEARS….yes there is nothing more current than the recent set of fights. Look it up. Nobody has fought higher ranked HW than Fedor has over the most CURRENT strecth….sorry IT’S A FACT Look it up.
Sylvia was ranked #5 at the time of the Fedor fight
AA was ranked # 2
Barnett was ranked #2 (not Fedor’s faul that didn;t happen)
Rogers #9
Werdum # 9
Overeem will be in the top 5.
Go look it up…at the time of the fights Fedor has fought better guys then ANYBODY. FACT.
dave ask anybody
Fedor vs Brock, Cain, Carwin, JDS, and Anderson is way better than your list…this is coming from a Fedor fan, what a disappointment!!
Excuse Dave
He’s blind from all of that crap in his eyes… it’s a hard life with your head in Fedor’s ass.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Is the view any better from
Is the view any better from Dana Whites ass?
I love who I throw facts and logic at you and all you cna do is say I’m a blind hater. Try again. How about a fact to back it up.
Fact
Fedor had the chance to sign a huge deal with the UFC and declined
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Dave is right guys
Fedor has fought the best possible opponents where he is comfortable with his deal. As much as I’d like to see him smash Brock, it’s not gonna happen!
Actually
“Fedor has fought the best possible opponents where he is comfortable with his deal”
Actually Fedor has fought better opponents compared to everybody. tell me which HW fights better opponents in the last two years and ever.
That's True Kev
But the fact remains, the place is is comfortable with his deal is the place that he can avoid the best in the world. The dispute is the reason he is so comfortable right?
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Who has fought tougher guys...
in the last two years…
and
in the history of the HW division?
Answer that or go home Jason.
Where dos that leave Brock then...
Brock fought Couture and Mir while they were both ranked top 10 and he is about to fight another who is in the top 5. So in his brief history you could say Brock has fought the same level of comp., correct?
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
SD
Nog has a comparable resume to Fedors if not better just to throw it in
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey We Were Just Talking
Records and Resumes. Nogs is just as legendary.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact
The UFC had a chance to offer Fedor the deal he was asking for and declined.
Nice try and fail.
No one is disagreeing with who he has fought in the past!
We are talking about now!!! He doesn’t want to be in the UFC bc he doesn’t want a loss!!! He knows the top talent is either in the UFC or will be….FACT!!!! Some of you are so all over Fedor it’s a fn joke! FACT: He has a loss!!! FACT: He cheats and grabs the ropes all the time!!! First fight I ever saw of him was when he grabbed the ropes 20 times and because of that ended up in top position! LMAO! I’m like ,“he’s the best?” This is the guy that people are all over? I think it was the fight against Lindland?? Not sure, but you have to know what I’m talking about. Everr since then, I just haven’t liked him. I guess that was a bad fight to watch as my first Fedor fight. But you wanted “facts” and that is a fact! That is cheating!!!
But from a business stand point...
Like you were saying earlier, co-promoting (giving have of your profits up) for one fighter (who really is not that big of a draw among the common mma fans till recently-even still that is questionable how big of a draw he is) is crazy and insane. If you are going to take it froma biz stand point.
Shivello "The Voice": That jab is stiffer than a box of Viagra!" and I am still wondering if I heard this one right on Dream 14...."These guys are busier than a cucumber in a women's prison!"
Oh...
Except my list is real….
Fedor did fight Sylvia, AA, Rogers and have agreed to fight Barnett and Werdum. And Overeem is on the horizon.
Please show me who fought Carwin, Cain, JDS, Anderson etc. No body has.
Wallyballz said that it’s “PURE FACT” that Fedor isnt fighting the top guys….when in reality he is.
Were are those guys rated now?
None of them kept a top 10 even kept a top 10. Werdum is a good fighter that has been in the top ten for sometime but going against #1??? If GSP went agaisnt the #9 guy the fans would go nuts, ohh yeah thats what happeneing here. Anyway those guys you listed proved through fights that they never belonged in the top five, all of them Stiker and many of us were right as you may be with Brock at #2. How you can use those rankings to back up anything when at the time the were even widely disputed. There is a reason the fans thought those fights were BS even though the guys were rated on some sites that high now if Barnetts fight happened many would of been happy but there is no guarantee Fedor would of won that fight as that would of been the best fighter that Fedor has faced since Pride and a fight that would of proved something.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Careful Puck
As Dave said above, he and his 3 buddies repeating themselves in here are the majority!
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Actually....
It was you Jason who made the claim that you are in the majority…not me.
Epic Fail…again.
But
You were laughing so hard when I said it…
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Huh?
Do you parents have any children that comprehend written language.
I am laughing at your claim to be correct and in the majority…and then the claim that I am saying I am in the majority (when I didn’t). Too easy Jason…computer time at the retard school is over. Better hurry to catch that short bus
You Know Someone Has Lost
When they resort to a post like that….. sorry loser
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
So is Fedor supposed to keep thier rankings high after he fights those guys?
I thought Fedor’s job was to fight the guy accross from him. And when he does they are the highest ranked set of fighters ever.
What they do after they fight Fedor isn;’t his fault or problem. He seems to have broken Sylvia and AA….but whi has fought better guys…tell me…over the last two years who has fought better guys? This should be good.
AA never moved to top five until the fight was signed Hmm?
WAMMA was a huge influence on the ranking sites at that time and of coarse that belt Fedor has with him was from WAMMA wich really means nothing. AA was a top ten at the time beating Roy proved that but he was never #2, Tim yeah top ten but Randy was better than both those guys and Rogers I thought was the best of them but he might of just had a Serra night against AA? I don’t know yet but I was impressed with Overeems strength advantage over Rogers and hopefully we will get to see that fight if we do I’ll say that is actually a fight worth watching the #1 fighter defend his status. Regardless I feel I’m cuttiing down these fighters and thats not my intension they are all good fighters but none of them should be facing the #1 fighter when none of them has proven they could beat a top five fighter.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
AA won five in a row...
Over guys like Werdum, Nelson, and Rothwell.
Even if he wasn’t a true #2, he was certainly top 5.
Not that it matters, Fedor doesnt rank them. Someone else does. You cant take anything away from Fedor because your opinion differs from someone elses about the rankings. End.
Ive said the same thing
since HMC who was enormous and has K-1 level striking (supposedly) Fedor has fought all top 10 guys, there aren’t too many other guys that can say that!
I want to see him fight a top five
AA won five in a row but never beat a top five?! How does he go to number 2?? Carwin wan 11 in a row doesn’t prove he’s number 2 even though he did beat a top five. Top tens yes Fedor did that and I’m not taking anything away from Fedor as a fighter becasue he is great but not fighting a true top five is what pisses me off and once again it’s not an opinion AA wasn’t a top five becasue beating Roy Nelson at the time doesn’t move you to number 2.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He already has....
I want to see Brock face who Fedor has and be undefeated….Fedor never tapped out.
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor has accomplished a lot I agree
He’s the greatest HW ever but with saying that he has not beat a true top five opponent since Pride. Now he still deserves #1 today as guys like Brock and Carwin are still proving themselves but it pisses me off that Fedor is not facing who the fans want to see him face and who the fans believe is the best test for Fedor.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Exactly....
Hardy is not top 10.
Cote isn’t top 10.
Yet the UFC had no problem putting them in against thier champs.
This is too easy.
Somewhere Dave
you are trying to say Fedor has fought the best HW over the last 2 years but since you are posting like a 12 year old girl about everything I can’t find it…..
Easy to pick a HW with harder fights, he didn’t win them all but Mir’s last 2 years has been much harder than Fedor’s
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
You may have said win...
But again, I can’t find it because you are treating Fedor like he’s your Hannah Montana
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
" you are treating Fedor like he’s your Hannah Montana"
Whatever that means?
Again, you have lost the argument so you are redirecting it towards me and not Fedor and the UFC.
Nice try. Snickering to myself.
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
In his last two years….
Mir has fought…
Nog (who is on the outs, and staphed) Rank # 4
Kongo UNRANKED- Oops, not in the top 10
Brock – In his third fight, #7
Carwin- #8
#4, U, #7, #8 isn’t better than Fedor….PURE FACT….try again.
The difference is that Mir is 2-2. Oops I forgot to mention that Fedor is winning all of his fights and isn’t facing unranked opponents ever.
LMFAO.
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hong Man is not a top 20, don't say ever LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock was too busy
fighting Min Soo Kim when Fedor had cleared out the HW division.
just because some ne fish have sprung up in the UFc doesn’ mean that Fedor has to prove himself….the NEW FISH in the UFC have to prove themselves….do you really not understand that?
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and many fans complained about Hardy kev
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So it's okay for the UFC...
….to have questionable opponents but not okay for an up and coming promotion….WTF?
Totally different GSP and Anderson fight lower ranked guys because they have cleared out their divisions
Not the same thing at all.
But thats one fight GSP has beat all the other top guys on the list and they wanted fresh blood
If Fedor would of fought 2 or 3 top fives in six fights then I wouldn’t be complaining.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I would be happy even if he fought one and was when I heard the Barnett fight
I know thats not his fault but in the end never happened. Back when Fedor fought Hong Man, Timmy and AA the fans were screaming for Barnett and many were not happy with him fighting UFC fighters that went out losing and couldn’t even win against the top guys in a thin division at the time yet they are worthy to fight the #1 guy? I like watching Fedor fight but I have yet to see him face a true top five opponent since Pride. A true top five is someone that remains in the top five over a period of time and has beat another top five.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fedor's record and fightography....
Is better than
Brock’s, Cains, Carwins, and JDS…PUT TOGETHER….look it up.
bye.
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Striker it is
But we want to see him tested agaisnt the best and once again Werdum proves nothing as far as being the best. Fedor is a great fighter best HW ever that will not change anytime soon. Can he beat the best now, can he beat the new stars on the rise, can he at least face Overeem. Striker against Overeem I would thing after Overeem thrashed Rogers would be and a fight I would be cheering for Fedor to win and be worried about him losing becasue Overeem proved he would be a much greater opponent than Rogers! I’m not a huge Fedor fan bu I’m a fan even though I might not sound like it sometimes
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
How will Overeem be top 5?
No way he jumps above Brock, Carwin, Cain, or JDS. Those 4 + Fedor = Overeem at least 6.
Well the best possible anyway
Overeem I think would beat Werdum with no problem and destroyed Rogers. How good is Overeem? Same problem as many of the UFC fighters as he really is still proving himself in the MMA HW division like the young UFC HW’s but clearly by his destruction of Rogers he is the best possible fight outside the UFC. I would have my money on Fedor but for the first time in many years this would be a fighter that actually I would think Fedor would have a great challenge agaisnt.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i think im finally over it.
"You're in this dark tunnel and you've got no way out, you're waiting for light, and you see that light, what do you do? What do you do? You start digging, and getting out. ... I've always beleived you stay in the tunnel and you keep digging when you expect no light. You have the same faith when you expect no light. You have the same beleif in what you're doing when you expect no light. ... It's dark and I'm going to dig through. My shovel is sharp and my pick is sharp and my will is outstanding." --Rod Marinelli 2008 (on his way to that sweet 16!)
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jun 21, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana needs to realize some things!
These older members of Fedor’s entourage and management are from the hard-lined communist soviet era. These men grew up in a world that taught them to hate American’s. over the years of the cold war KGB operatives came to have respect for their CIA counterparts, because regardless of flag, they were both men who believed in their cause and were willing to die for their cause, however, Soviet era Russian’s ABSOLUTELY HATE American’s like Dana White. as a matter of fact, populations all over Europe and the Middle East have this stereotype that American’s are exactly like Dana White. this arrogant son of a bitch does NOT represent the majority of hard working humble American’s, but people like Fedor’s manager look at him as typical American arrogance, thinks he can do what he wants because he’s above everyone. These are men of honor and respect, i do not blame them at all for not doing business with this clown Dana White. he has no one to blame but himself. it’s a shame that some Americans support him, he has no class, no values, no morals, no humility! Iranian’s chant “Death To America” in the streets of Tehran everyday because they have this belief that all Americans fit a stereotype that is much like the real life Dana White. Jihadist come from all corners of the globe because they have this same feeling toward American’s. it’s a shame that these select few men of power and prestige is all most of the world gets to see of American people, because if they knew the people i know in this country they might not have as much hatred toward us as they do. they don’t see the poor people who make up the backbone of this nation, they just see our politicians and celebrities. I’m a proud American, but if the vast majority of this country was made up of people like Dana White, i wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting to destroy it. men like him don’t need to be in a position of power!!
????
Dana White is well liked outside America LOL, It’s inamerica were everybody hates the boss that he isn’t liked. Outside the US people tha thate americans usually hate the suite and tie type guy that comes and tells them lies. LOL Frank Mir represents why guys outside the US hate americans LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I need that photoshop explained to me...Is that Monty Python?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
!
Gymkata! You betta recognize…
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jun 21, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Shite!!!!
I haven’t seen Gymkata in Years!!!!!
“The finish line for you, is right here, Cabot.”
One of the all-time martial arts / cheesefest movies….. I love it!!!
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
nice job on the weekend picks man.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
thanks bro....
If you flip enough coins, eventually you get the right results…
Thanks again for puttin it all together.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Fedor should go ahead and retire then.
The man doesn’t want to fight…. only 2nd rate fighters, that’s okay then. lol
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest in a way that nobody else has or could ever do. Very Matrix like. GSP on the other hand can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a decent fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or train for and just toys around with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds in a way that person's never been handled before. He's board at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW period. Facts are pretty amazing!
I succumb to this fact a long time ago
A prime Fedor (from pride) beats every UFC HW, I have no doubt about that. Fedor walks to his own drum beat and does things for himself and his country (and what the Russian mob tells him to do). It is what it is, but seriously, to bring up a guy that’s 4-1 (Brock) in the same sentance with Fedor is very foolish!
agreed...with all the mud slinging and name calling Dana has done since the start it doesn't surprise that they're being difficult
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
yes and no
I think they were going to be difficult regardless, they are so hung up on co promotion. From what I’ve heard, Dana offered the same/or more than the 2 million he currently gets, but nixed co promotion. If they are still getting their piece of the pie or maybe more, why not sign?
Agreed
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 21, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not foolish at all, his size, streangth and wrestling alone would give him a chance.
A prime fedor could deff beat lesnar, but i also think lesnar could drag Fedor to the ground, and beat him into a bloody and hard-to-watch ref stoppage. Specially if they fought right now!
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by Red Eye Jedi on Jun 21, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But its like when they compare every young NBA star to Michael Jordan
“Oh here comes the next Mike, Here comes the next Mike”. Can’t be doing that. MJ was lightyears ahead of his generation and is still pretty far ahead of this one. I think you JUST NOW start making the comparison between him and Kobe. They made the comparison when Grant came in the league. When Carmelo came in the league. When James came in the league. James…maybe…everyone else? Hell no.
Fedor came in and dominated MMA. He was lightyears ahead of everyone else. You can’t compare someone who hasn’t really been battle tested to someone who’s gone through WARS. He’s champion…yes. Good for him. Hold on to that belt tight, boy. But a belt doesn’t make you the best ever. It made you the best on that night you won it…but not the best ever. Brock is a dominant force…just not THE dominant force…at least not yet.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
Mj also is famouse for this qoute. " am I the best basketball player ever? I think so but that my competetive nature. The fact is though someone far more talented than me never got a shot, or simply never picked up a basketball"
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok..but that's the thing...they weren't in the league
that person is not in MMA that could surpass Fedor either. At least one that could show it. And trust me, I’m not a big Fedor fan mainly because of the whole MM1 connection/fiasco.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
That’s foolish to think there isn’t someone out there that could beat Fedor. Okay how this. How about a prime jordan getting his ankles broke by a rookie named allen iverson? Iverson dropped 30 points that night and 23 were while mj gaurded. He beat jordan every wich way that night, but does anyone think Iverson was the better player?? Hell no
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Beating someone doesn't make you the best
I think Brock could beat Fedor. I think Overeem could beat Fedor. I think Carwin, and JDS could. I want to say Cain but I’m not sure.
I was referring to someone being the best, not someone beating someone else. I said being HW Champion in the UFC doesn’t make Brock the best. So you kind of made my point with the Allen Iverson analogy.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
It does in fighting man. Its not an 82 game season. You get knocked you drop in the rankings or fight shitty comp you drop.
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And you missed my point. Some nights your not the best. I shot down your MJ comparison twice and now your reaching
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I made your point? You think 2 maybe 3 guys in the ufc can beat him yet he’s the best? Wtf man how can you argue with a point like that hahahahaha
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My phone is pissing me off its not letting me finnish my posts. I mean this all as a friendly debate, not being a dick just for the record
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he could beat them all
HMC is a lot bigger than Brock (not as skilled on the ground) and had mount on Fedor a few times (maybe half guard) and Fedor did just fine. He may not look pretty in winning, but he’s still beating guys that were UFC champions only a few years ago!
I agree he would be fine, but he is out of quality opponents after Overeem. I think Fabricio is a worthy opponent, but I can’t forget he lost to AA and Jds
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I hate MMA rankings so I don't take them into account
You have to admit, there have been some horrible rankings. I just don’t think one bad night, one bad fight, one bad season, or even one bad string of losses diminishes a fighter’s/player’s legacy as a whole. You pointed out Jordan w/ the Wizards. He was good, not the best, but had a sucky team around him. He is still considered the best though. Fedor could lose his next 4 fights and the HARDCORE fans would take into consideration what he did BEFORE. I don’t think losses would diminish his status as the best or one of them. Its all about perspective and who’s opinion we’re talking about. The man has been in some wars and for me to say that just because he lost to Brock or any other HW at this point takes away his career’s superiority over any one he fights at this point would be ridiculous. It would take years and a LOT of wins for Brock to out rank fedor in my book.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
I agree with horrible rankins. And yeah fedor can los and still be the best off time ( and will ) but may not be the best today
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kev
Its BECAUSE he gets dominated so much before he wins that I have a really hard problem saying he’s the best. Hands of Steel comes back from behind and wins a lot of fights too…I love the dude, but he’s no where near being great. He’s good, at best. I’m playing devil’s advocate to my own opinion here….but I DO believe that his career, record and cemented legacy are greater than that could give him a challenge at the moment.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
Hands of steal is a myth
Drago and Cung Le, who else has he come from behind to beat? I hear what ur saying, but his record is a who’s who list of mma superstars, not guys that have 5-10 pro fights either!
Its the fact that he's fought the best that I respect what he's done in the sport
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
That who's who list is sure dominated by a lot of cans
by naturalshadow on Jun 21, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
some of you are too much. who is the best fighter in your mind? now list their wins, are there 30 wins? do they include a prime Cro cop, Nog, Coleman etc? The list could go on. I’ll give you HMC as a can, but he was huge compared to Fedor and beat him up pretty good. I’ll give you Lindland as being undersized, and Fedor “cheated” in that fight, but he’s not a can. I mean I know you guys will bring up Timmy or AA, but they were both UFC champions just a year prior to Fedor pounding them. I really don’t get the can theory, who has Brock fought? 3 guys?
How many of these guys are cans or from different weight classes?
Brett Rogers, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi, Matt Lindland, Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman, Wagner da Conceicao Martins, Mirko Filipovic, Tsuyoshi Kosaka, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Naoya Ogawa, Kevin Randleman, Yuji Nagata, Gary Goodridge, Kazuyuki Fujita, Egidijus Valavicius, Heath Herring, Semmy Schilt, Chris Haseman,Lee Hasdell, Ryushi Yanagisawa, Renato Sobral, Kerry Schall, Mihail Apostolov , Loss: Tsuyoshi Kosaka, Ricardo Arona, Hiroya Takada, Levon Lagvilava, Martin Lazarov
by naturalshadow on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the Fedor of Pride days was the best heavy ever
Fedor of 2010 relies on aging skills to beat UFC rejects
by Robert(1) on Jun 21, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing about the Jordan comparison is that Jordan did everything he did in the NBA.
If Jordan was Jordan on street courts, he couldn’t say he was the best. Fedor is is not fighting where the best competition is. He hasn’t for a very long time. I wouldn’t even consider him in the p4p debate, since (in my opinion) he dominated the weekest of all the divisions. He could have easily cut to 205, but the pool is much deeper there.
by naturalshadow on Jun 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point about 205. But he did fight the best HW available at one time
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Prime Brock (Age 29ish)
Vs a Prime Fedor would be one hell of a fight
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think a prime Fedor beats every HW! Obviously we will never know, but IMO no way!
Brock (whom is my most hated fighter! ABM ABM ABM) Takes him down easily! As long as he avoids subs then he wins! Cain and Carwin also take him down. I also think JDS wins the standup.
The "Crazy F'in Russians" comment
Was the final nail in the coffin.
Both sides are stubborn. Both sides share some blame in not getting this done.
Stay thirsty my friends
Exactly
Danas rude and pointless insults as well as Fedor and M1s greed and crazy demands have cost the fans some big fights. The best that we can hope for now are for the UFC to match up Brock, Shane, Cain and Junior with each other to determine the best whilst SF match up Fedor and Overreem. The whole situation sucks and it’s really annoying that a bunch of egomaniacs cost us some huge HW fights that could have taken the sport to the next level.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jun 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
amen
I really don’t understand why Dana went on the record after every meeting saying how displeased he is with Fedor’s management, calling them names, saying it’s all their fault. You think those old school Russian corporate bigwigs will sit there and take that kind of behavior? NO WAY!
his point was
to say “we offered them more than anyone and he still said no.” as to embarrass them into signing, it backfired and made him look terrible
that's definitely a big part of it
not sure if it’s common sense but to try and embarrass old school Russians in order to persuade them is an absolutely horrible strategy.
Theres no way to prove this...
But I honestly think had Dana White not been the head guy during negotiations, Fedor would have signed with the UFC. I think Fedor is not signing with the UFC out of spite for Dana White
Stay thirsty my friends
Another reason...
It’s common sense. Who has ever known Dana as someone who lies with made up stories? Changes his mind… sure (he’s fucking human!) Tries to keep a secret, of course! He has to.
But can someone actually come up with FACTS (like Dave keeps begging for) that he has outright made up a story and lied about the whole thing? He doesn’t do that.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
this used to piss me off to no end
But as time went on I couldn’t blame someone for not wanting to work for dana…he is so unprofessional its not funny…he is your best friend as long as you make him money and if you leave you were never that good anyway…ii know he’s done great things for mma but at this point I think he is doing more harm than good and think the ufc would be better without him…dana, you’re fired
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by salamagogo on Jun 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i dont think it's all DW's fault
sure his comments dont help but i think the bottom line is fedor and his boys would rather make a little less $$ per fight to beat up cans than risk it all to take on guys that could give him serious problems (mainly due to their size and styles) i think M-1 just likes to make dana’s comments a convienent excuse for not wanting to fight the big boys because they obviously cant say fedor doesnt want to fight brock or carwin
lol "little less"
by that you mean 2 million per…which is 4x what the highest UFC fighter’s base pay is
not saying that
what I’m saying is SF is paying him more than any UFC fighter makes and UFC would pay him more than that…guaranteed!
No and based on his comment I think that was his point
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no UFC wouldn't pay more?
I firmly believe Dana backed up the brinks truck, hoping Brock beat him and he could cut Fedor after one loss
No I was saying the same thing. The ufc would pay way more money just to have him
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
M1 said they could offer brock the same amount to come fight fedor in russia as the ufc offered fedor to come fight brock in america. there’s 2 sides to that fence, that statement pretty much shuts down any momentum dana had with the amount of money he offered fedor. M1 offered brock the exact same dollar amount! So, who’s scared of fighting who??? it works both ways
chop that up
I heard that of that 2 million per, 500k goes to fedor and the rest to M-1. If that’s true (can anyone confirm??) fedor is not actually pulling in much more than the top UFC guys. I believe fedor would get 2 mil per in the UFC, or at least very close, and i’m sure he could chop that up with M-1 in whichever way he saw fit. As someone mentioned above M-1 could put there branding all over fedor, only real difference they would not be getting big bucks from the UFC to bring nothing (promotion wise) to the table. Without fedor there is no M-1, and by losing sight of that fact the “executives” over at M-1 are only costing themselves in the long run.
that is exactly true
but he owns 20% of M-1 and it’s more of a way around taxes from what I’ve read. They also get some sot of “consulting” deal too
too right. i think we all just need to let go of the dream that fedor will one day come to the ufc and fight the very best. im with dana on this one. its just not gonna happen
Very True.
Never will. Sucks but get over it. I did a while ago. And also in my opinion he cant be #1. Sorry
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Dana is trying to mask his own fault in this deal by...
Blaming it on Fedor not wanting to fight the best. That is not the reason AT ALL but Dana keeps saying it non stop and most mma fans believe him (look at the message boards). It’s really sad.
M-1 is trying to promote their name brand. UFC is constantly trying to promote their name brand. So when M-1 tries to do the EXACT same thing UFC is doing, UFC says “NO!” That’s all there is to it. UFC wants a monopoly on mma (good/bad, a whole another topic) and I’d say they’re 55% to blame for this not happening.
What’s sad is Dana has been quoted saying the same thing OVER AND OVER again that people actually believe him. “Fedor doesn’t want to fight the best”. “The crazy Russians are complete lunatics and it’s their fault”, etc. All of these statements now echo in every message board about Fedor. Sheep.
Why the hell would the UFC “co-promote” with m-1. I like when they say " strikeforce and m-1 present". Lol the shows the exact same and the only thin m-1 brings is Fedor. They want to split the profits for doing jack shit. Your out of you fucking mind. Do you even know what a monopoly is???? And any business would be stupid to hand over half there profit because another company let them borrow another employee
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
exactly Lokie
thatd be like me bringing one player to the NFL and saying I want my name on every NFL commercial, why would they do that?
Nice example with the nfl. You understood my point completely
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 Lokie
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
My first +1 lol. I’ve had peopl agree but never throw out the +1. Maybe it just means I don’t know shit about fuck lol.
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
It’s a completely unreasonable demand one that would be a ridiculously bad business move for the UFC, even if Dana said yes, the Fertitta’s aren’t stupid enough to allow it.
It shows that M-1 is solely concerned for itself not it’s clientèle, and is very jealous of it’s only real asset.
Imagine if GSP’s agent, CAA sports, demanded that when GSP fights it be a co-promotion: ZUFFA and CAA Sports production.
Like how ludicrous is that?
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Unreasonable or not....
Thats the demand.
I am glad you all have so much experience in running an MMA promotion. What’s that you say? You don’t? Well then I guess I’ll just let, you know, the professionals make the deals, and I will watch the fights and discuss them.
Dave, copromotion is very unreasonable
for the UFC! They NEED Fedor/M-1 like I need a hemorrhoid flare up. What would they get out of it besides having to not only pay Fedor, but having to give up 50% of a whole show that one guy from their “organization” fought in?
Fine...
but that doesn’t mean that Fedor doesn’t want to fight in the UFC. They wouldnt negotiate if they didn’t want to get the deal.
I really don't know.
But that answers the question. It is about money not his desire to fight in the UFC.
Dana is such a smarmy liar it is weird to even like his product. He seems to lie more than tell the truth.
Bullshit
Being a businessman does not mean lying.
“Fedor (Emelianenko) doesn’t want to fight the best guys in the world”
This is a lie. A) He has always fought the best in the world. B) the fact that he is negotiating indicates that he wants (or is at least willing) to fight in the UFC. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be negotiating.
He can build his business honestly with out lying about his falures to geta deal done. All he has to say it, “Fedor’s team is being completely unreasonable, and it goes against our business goal, which is to make money, to sign him to his terms.”
he doesn’t have to lie and say Fedor does want to fight the best….what a douche.
agree to an extent Dave
but they haven’t negotiated in a long time as Dana has said he won’t negotiate with guys under contract. I think he hears what Fedor is saying and realizes he’ll never sign him. I do agree he’s always fought the best fighters in the world and is now facing the best available for him to fight!
You are wrong Dave! He needs to lie here and there. He is more of a promoter (sp) than anything.
He couldn’t say at the beg of tuf that Tito was leaving bc it would have hurt the product! Kevin is 100% right here! And just bc Fedor DID fight the best it doesn’t mean he still does.
right on Dave
and I’m sure M1 does their fair share of “smarmy lying” but they don’t go out in public and humiliate the UFC
Agree with Dave
The “Fedor is scared of the UFC HWs” is lame AND Dana is lame for trashing a guy because he couldn’t get the deal done.
You won’t hear Roger Godell Slamming NFL players in the media if they miss a flight to a game or if they catch a drug suspension.
At the negotiation table the guy with the most to offer wins. Dana needed to figure out how to get Fedor WITHOUT co-promotion and he couldn’t do that.
always borrow money from a pessimist, they won't expect it back anyway!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 21, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know?
There is always something that someone wants. And if there isn’t something else that Dana can offer it doesn’t mean that Fedor doesn’t want to make a deal…it just means the terms aren’t right for both parties.
Kev, M-1 got what they wanted, Dana didn't
so that is why M-1 is playing hardball. I would love to see Fedor in the UFC, if for anything just to shut up the haters BUT M-1 wanted the co promo, Dana said no way (which was smart) so then M-1 said we will move along to our next suitor, Strikeforce. Then Dana got hot because he lost in the negotiation ( which was to get Fedor ) and decided to trash not only M-1 but also Fedor. Not a great negotiation tactic. M-1 is doing fine from the perspective and so is the UFC from Dana’s perspective.
I would think if Fedor is what I covet, I would find out what Fedor wants and it is obviously not money so that was a tactical error. I have to believe AFTER co promo there has to be something else he is interested and that is what I would offer coupled with a couple of other off the table value adds.
always borrow money from a pessimist, they won't expect it back anyway!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 21, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
Fedor even cares about the co-promotion, I think it’s all M-1 and Fedor puts too much trust in them.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
He's a business man that's angry about other businessmen
being business men…I mean they’re doing what he’s doing but at least they don’t go around saying “The UFC HW division is scared of FEDOR and that’s why they won’t compromise”
Partly agree
Dana running his mouth isn’t helping anything and it’s certainly a shitty way to conduct business, but that doesn’t change the fact that M-1 is being unreasonable in their request.
I think Fedor will fight whoever is in front of him, but I really wish his contract with M-1 would expire so he can find an agency that is a little less self-serving, or perhaps one that isn’t itself a fight promotion as it causes conflicts of interests.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Not wanting to fight in the UFC
And not wanting to fight in the UFC BAD enough to drop the copromotion equals the same thing- no Fedor in the UFC so who cares? Almost doesn’t count.
In the context of this discussion, this video is PERFECT
No need to discuss any more. That’s what it comes down to. Real fighters weighing in. Sure, others have doubted his #1 status but I’ve only seen that from UFC fighters that have really good relations with DW.
They should’ve given DW an intro in that video as with all the other fighters.
“Dana White, (heavyweight) 0-0 as a fighter 150-1 as a promoter/talent signer, only loss – Fedor”
Okay smart ass I don’t run a fuckin mma promotion but I am an electrical contractor so let’s put it like this. My biggest comp is Sturgeon electric. It would be like getting a job and needing one of the top guys for something. And instead of paying for that one guys services giving them half my profit, and telling everyone it was a sturgeon electric/ center line electric job. All my customers would oh yeah sturgeon did have that job when I needed one fucking guy
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Worst analogy ever.
If that one electrician is that important to the success of your company then maybe you should share your profits temporarily.
If you don’t think it will save or break your business to have that particular business, then you would say no thanks. But would you go around and say that electrician sucks and doesn’t know how to do his job? If you would, you’d be a douche….understand smart ass?
Okay you missed my point about one employee earning half the profit. Now since you called me dumbass basically ill explain. Not even 25% of electricians specialize in anything other than basic electrical systems. I specialize in instrumentation, motor control and high voltage. Terminations. Now seeing as how I’m a union contractor and so is sturgeon. We hire from the same pool of people. And some are idiots that make you look smart. Sometimes you may have to sub out man power if I need someone specialized in a certain area of the trade. It happens a lot in my industry fuck head. As a point sturgeon has one of my best motor control guys as we speak. You missed my point all together you idot. Nowhere did I say my business is based off one guy, but if I don’t get someone that means I have to do it and between bidding work, and paperwork I don’t have the fuckin time. Don’t split hairs and look at what I said about profit you reject from a duesch bag
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And for the record I do say when an electrician sucks. We don’t do houses. We do shit that will get you killed. Out of ten guys in the trade maybe three know there shit inside and out.
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
I guess you’re not critical about anyone unless you deal specifically in their profession?
I mean, surely you need first hand knowledge before you can possibly form any sort of relevant opinion.
So your never critical about The president or politicians? Goalees or any other professional athletes? Movie directors or actors?
Let’s not be silly ;D
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Be critical...
But have some knowledge to back it up.
I don’t pretend I know how to sail a ship so I am not critical of a captain of a boat. Pretty simple isnt it?
Your a fuckin jackass. Do you not comprehend? You missed his point too. Go get you’re ged or somethin. You may learn something
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right?
This guy basically posts BS over and over and then calls everyone else out as spreading rumors with no facts. Youre lame Dave.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
You know someone doesn't have it
When they have to try to talk about it over and over. Dave keeps trying to talk down to everyone like hes so smart, what does that really tell you…
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Its tells me we have been raging a war against an unarmed opponent. " I refuse to get into a battle of wisdom with an unarmed opponent" lol
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are looking at it from the UFC point of view...
What about the other side? 2 sides to every story.
“It shows that M-1 is solely concerned for itself not it’s clientèle” Substitute UFC for M-1 and that statement is also true.
UFC does not equal MMA. There other promotions trying to build themselves up and you guys are pretty much bashing them for doing so and praising UFC for taking away their business.
Fedor is caught in the middle and you guys are making him out to be the scapegoat when the real problem are the corporate bigwigs making the decisions.
Fedor isn't caught antwhere
there was an interview last week where he said he does what M-1 tells him. He isn’t making this decision, Vadim is. I agree, there are other orgs out there, just like there is the CFL to the NFL or AAA to MLB. Fact is, like it or not, but 99.9999999% of mmaists goal is to be in the UFC, it’s the major leagues!
...that's exactly what I said
He’s not making these decisions…hence he’s “caught” in the middle of UFC and M1 corporate dbags
he doesn't care
if he was “caught” as you say and really cared where he fought, he’d simply say NO, I’m going to the UFC. A MAN makes his own decisions. I’ve never been a Liddell fan, but his boss said he’s done, but he, as a man, said no I’m not, I’m gonna keep fighting!
But why would Fedor do that?
Dana White has been on a campaign to defame Fedor for years! Fedor is not Kimbo, he’s the best fighter in the world and had options (as well as pride and unmatched skill).
Fedor trust his management because they’ve already helped establish him as the greatest fighter on the planet. Why would he leave them and go to a company where the president has been disrespecting him, questioning his manhood, etc. for years?
what options?
do you guys not understand how many more millions he’d make fighting in the UFC compared to SF?
...that's what ppl said before he signed with strikeforce/elite xc
Obviously he was happy financially with both of those options. I’m sure he can get a lucrative contract in Japan as well. Options my friend. UFC does not equal MMA.
Who do you know he would make more in the UFC?
The terms of his contract are not public and since Showtime is backing SF, there is a neverending pool of cash to draw from. Fedor may be making more long term with the SF deal…hence they made the deal.
I never said that they should
I’m saying that it’s a convoluted situation and for one party to constantly blame the other is dumb.
because the ufc ain't shit in most countries in the world!!
their big in 1…i repeat ‘1’ part of the world, and that is North America. last census i believe europe and asia are both abundantly more populated than North America. M-1 has a lot more name recognition in more countries than the ufc does, that’s a fact.
really now deuce name one big show they put on LOL all M1 has is Fedor otherwise you would not of even heard of them
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fedor's legency is cemented for me but I think there will always be discussion and doubt because of this
There is no way to avoid it really. There will always be people saying he can’t be number because of his absence in the UFC.
I agree
Fedor to the hardcores needs no proving but its the casuals who make up the larger numbers that will say who is Fedor did he fight Brock? Fedor doesnt need to cement his legacy by coming to the UFC but he could cement his status to the world and casuals by doing so.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
like the guy said above
it’s like all these BB players being compared to Mike, theres Mike, Magic and Bird, then these other guys!
I agree he is the best of all time but what about now???? Someone used mj as an an example earlier so I will here. MJ was the best ever, but wasn’t when he was 40 playing for the wizards. Not saying Fedor isn’t still. But after Overeem. (If it happens) there’s nowhere left for Fedor to go except the ufc to keep that number one ranking and imo it should be questionable he does now.
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
for the majority of the history of mma it used to be a fighter couldn’t be considered #1 because of his absence in Pride! fighters would win a ufc belt and bolt for Pride without ever even defending the ufc built. the ufc belt use to be a stepping stone to the ‘Big’ league!
Key phrase use to be. That was then this is now.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No losses
Fedor said himself in the last interview he wanted to finish his contract with no losses. Thats the most important thing to him, and thats why hes not going to fight in the UFC. At least cro cop and Nog werent afraid of a loss or two. In my opinion that makes them better than fedor just for stepping up to the plate.
Oddly I agree with Napalm
in the sense that i think the better fighters dont shy away from anyone or anything. So yes Fedor beat Mirko and Nog but I as a hardcore fan of the sport have more respect for Nog then I do Fedor
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't blame someone for trying to capitalize and make $$$
He’s just interested in building his own brand and who can say they’d do different? There is definatley something more honorable about a fighter that goes out of their way to truley be the best and fight the best vs a fighter that just wants to get paid.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
M1 Will Never Be Relevent in MMA
At least not in North America
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
North America is a tiny piece of the pie. i seriously doubt Russian’s really give a shit if they’re a success in North America
Again name one successfull show put on by M1 that generates the kind of money needed to get these fighters to fight in your org.
You can’t because there isn’t one, M1 is more like a Dong King but the Russian version. They have there Tyson and are trying to build on it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
But he's not building a brand...His legacy will not build him a brand
being recognized in the most popular mma promotion will. So its not about brand or $. Its simply about legacy and honor for the man. unfortunately, he doesn’t see the lack of honor by not fighting the best. Or maybe he doesn’t care. either way, I agree with ANS in that I respect CC and Nog more, and I like CC and Nog more, for still looking for that challenge despite the evolution of the sport. And still…oddly enough, I disagree with napalm. I can’t say Fedor is scared. I would love to say it. in fact, in a moment of emotion I think I’ve posted it before, but he isn’t scared. Just looking out for what’s important to him. the man has been through some wars in his career, i doubt he fears anything any one could bring. He just wants to make sure he retires with a 0.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
I disagree to an extent
In his mind he’s never not fought top 10 guys (outside maybe HMC), so where’s the shame in that? Brock is 4-1 and considered #2? come on, he’s beaten Randy who was winning and weighed 219, Herring went the distance and split with Mir, those opponents don’t have anything on the list of guys Fedor has beaten…even in his last 5 fights!
i agree with o damn
fedor will make more $$ keeping his mystique in tact by fighting lesser fighters who pose less problems than risking it all against the top UFC heavies. it’s the floyd mayweather school of business, he could make $40million to fight pacquiao (who could definetly beat him) or have multiple $25million paydays against lesser fighters. cant say i’d do it any differently
That makes sense...
if you planned on fighting for a while. The man is talking about retiring though.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
the ufc could pay him the most for 1 fight
which if it’s against brock or carwin he very well could lose and there go any big-time future paydays. the UFC would not sign Fedor to fight Mustafa Al Turk, they’d put him in with the champ right away right? in SF he fight werdums and rogers all day and in the end make more than if he signed with ufc and lost. however, if he were to fight brock and win, it’s a whole different ballgame. it’d be quite a gamble which apparently he’s not interested in.
Assuming they signed him, it would probably be for more than a 1 fight contract
As long as he didn’t look like an amateur against Brock, IF he lost, I’m sure they’d still have him face big names. If for nothing else, than to further cement that he’s “not the greatest ever”
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
i think he'd be in a position where he'd have to win
to justify his salary. if the UFC signs him for big $$ and he goes out and loses, what would be next? an undercard fight for $2million? i doubt zuffa would would get their desired return on investment in that case, making it fairly probable they would cut him if he lost, imo
UFC has all the Pride footage
they would build his name with “Unleashed” and “Countdown” and “Primetime”. They would make sure the casual fans knew who he was. They would then treat him like they’ve treated all the guys that came over from Pride and how they’ll do Jake shields once he signs on. You put them against the best or a up for a #1 contender fight, when they get beat, you let them fight 3 or 4 more times and THEN cut them. They did it with Cro Cop, they’ve done it with NOG, they’re doing it with Gomi, and they’ll do it with Shields. Fedor would get the same treatment.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
nope
not with Fedor, they’d have too much on his contract to give him anything but huge fights. In my honest opinion, Dana would be gambling on the fact that he’d lose. Fedor isn’t a draw, no amount of unleashed will make him one. Now if he beat Brock, Beat Carwin then retired, they’d take the Pride footage and come out with 3-5 Fedor DVD’s
If nothing else, Dana is a marketing genius
Fedor would be known.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
I think ur wrong onemansyn
at this point, Dana would sign him for anywhere between 3-5 million, and if he lost, he’d say “see I told you he wasn’t the best” and cut him
He didn't even do that with Kimbo after the horrible fight with
Alexander and his horrible TUF performance…Dana likes to squeeze as much life out of people as he can until there’s nothing worth see’ing anymore.
I actually think he’d put him up against Brock and then against Big Nog and maybe Couture before cutting him.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
Kimbo won
and if he liked to squeeze that much, Kimbo wouldn’t have been cut, he’s a huge draw, actually, as much as it pains me to say it, Kimbo is 10x the draw Fedor is, and he was making like 50k a fight, compared to millions it would take to sign Fedor, they could make millions on top of millions with Kimbo, they pay him shit and he puts asses in seats, so actually, they gave up money by cutting Kimbo
there wasn't anything left to see of kimbo after his fight with Matt
The riddle was solved. Bad knees. Kimbo was done. If Dana would have kept him signed, it would have easily become that “freak show” he’s always talking about.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
are you being serious?
Kimbo could sell tix/ppv’s fighting you. he has a huge fan base, that’s real talk and fact bro!
I don't want that beard on me...
have you seen his wife? I don’t wanna know what that pussy smells like lol…
as far as his fan base, i won’t deny it was huge, but I think after his last two performances, people will say theyr’e still his fans, but how many will actually tune in and watch knowing he’ll probably more than likely lose?
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
lol actually I came back on and was thinking
exactly that. people like seeing shit like that. like a bad accident.. shame.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
if fedor beat brock...
who would he fight next? if nobody else in the ufc can beat brock, then in my opinion that’s the only guy fedor’s gotta beat. if carwin, mir, cain, jds, etc,etc.. can’t beat brock, why should they get a shot at fedor? it’s like the videogame Mike Tyson’t punchout, if u can’t beat the Sandman, u don’t get to fight Tyson!!
Like a video game?? LOL wow that was funny
This is real life not a video game deuce
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That’s the thing, regarding a loss…It’s safe to assume he’s not gonna get one punch KO’d by anybody (if he were to actually, ever fight them). If he makes it a war, or a good back and forth battle and loses I don’t think he loses too much of the mystique at this point. Everyone will say age is a factor or this or that is a factor and he will probably get more credit for stepping up from the hardcore fans.
*sigh...
You really want a fighter to say that he wants to finish his career with a couple of losses? How dumb would that be?
Fedor stated numerous times that he does not consider himself the best and that win/loose is no important to him. But asked if he’d like to finish undefeated, OF COURSE HE WILL SAY YES!!!
Naw, a prime Royce Gracie would beat Fedor any day. These conversations are point less already. Fedor don’t wanna fight in the UFC period and M-1 is made up of a bunch of cans. Thats why Mousasi ditched them
Fedor will be remembered like Satchel Paige
The bottom line is, Fedor won’t sign with ANY promotion that doesn’t cross promote with M-1. He doesn’t want to get out of his M-1 contract. When he signed with M-1 (he’s part owner too, i believe), his plan was to retire with that contract, and he’s not going back on it. As they’ve said repeatedly, “M-1 is Fedor; Fedor is M-1.”
This has NOTHING to do with Dana’s antics. Sure, DW trash-talking about crazy Russians doesn’t help the situation. Sure, DW comes off sounding a little unprofessional at times, but his antics have NOTHING to do with why Fedor won’t sign with the UFC.
Fedor won’t sign with UFC because UFC won’t cross-promote. End of story. I’m sure a secondary reason is that Fedor is hesitant due to UFC’s history of taking control of your image rights for eternity, and not releasing a fighter until they feel like it (ala, Randy Couture during the legal struggles), but these are secondary reasons. The first and foremost reason (which both sides have stated repeatedly) is that UFC refuses to cross-promote.
And why should they? UFC = NFL. Which makes M-1 = … what? CFL? Arena football? … Flag football is more like it.
why would ANYONE in their right mind think the UFC should cross-promote with ANY existing promotion? That makes ZERO business sense. plus it will NEVER happen.
To answer the question posed by Mania, i think it doesn’t exactly hurt his legacy — in fact, in many ways it only adds to his mystique — but 30 years from now, when all the legends have been replaced by new and improved legends, people will always wonder “what would have been” had Fedor ever fought in the big leagues.
People will name Anderson Silva and GSP when talking about the greats, and they’ll still name Fedor, of course (how could you not?) but with that one caveat: “if only.” he’ll go down in history the same as Satchel Paige, who had to wait until he was 42 to debut in the Majors, after a long career in the Negro Leagues.
Just like people still talk about what Paige’s #s would have been like, had he been allowed in the Majors at 20, so too will they talk about Fedor like that.
so the world will never know how Brock measures up to Fedor. it’s just one of those things.
by Adam Wagner on Jun 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great points Adam
like I’ve said before, Fedor has more of a stake in M-1 than Dana does in UFC, but once he retires, 20% (which he owns) of a hunk of shit, is still a 20% piece of shit
Major Leagues
You’re right on about the cross-promotion, but many will argue he was destroying everyone when Pride was considered the “major leagues.”
meh.
by snidely whiplash on Jun 21, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana will start bitching again after fedor smashes werdum & overeem!
Ufc wasn’t always the best! It is now no doubt. Fedor duznt want 2 work for a slime ball plain & simple! He cud of came over years ago & took the belt from Sylvia, took the belt from AA, took the belt from Randy, taken the belt from Mir & big nog. Was he ducking them then. Don’t 4get Brandon Vera was wrecking shit @ HW when all the best HW’s were in pride. Is Brock & shanes fight w/Mir really enough 2 say fedor is scared? Fedor fears no man! Danas not getting any satisfaction from the greates HW of all time. Get over it!!! War Fedor!
by d*locc on Jun 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
But does the former PRIDE Heavyweight Champion need a UFC run to validate his legacy? The debate continues…
He doesn’t need it to validate his past performance, but it’ll leave a pretty big question mark on what could’ve been.
Absolutely.
Won’t take away from what he’s accomplished but I’ll always wonder what if. This sucks. Fedor has made it very hard for me to be a fan these past few years.
FFS, when did they start demanding this co-promotion crap? I don’t remember seeing “PRIDE and M1” presentations. It happened once PRIDE fell through and that SOB Millen joined the M1 crew and decided to milk Fedor for as long as he could. That’s how I see it but that’s completely unsubstantiated, i’ll admit.
Nothing Dana White says can change the legacy of Fedor.
It’s already set in stone.
by K S on Jun 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
since fedor starting fighting in the year 2000. i will say he was the best heavyweight from 2003
to early 2009. 6 years he was the best. he is no longer the best heavyweight around. a generation is 20 years. 2013 would be 20 years from 1993. a new kind of heavyweight has come around. he is a better and bigger athlete and for the most part a better wrestler. nobody stays on top forever.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
good post
but i think the hw division is too big in terms off weight. every other division is 15 pounds, hw is 60. problem is, outside Brock and Carwin, there aren’t enough huge guys to split the division
i say in two years the majority of heavyweights will be around 260-265 pounds.
your right about the 60 pound difference, but i don’t want to call it the cruiserweight division like boxing does. we could call it half pint heavyweights lol. any other ideas?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
no ideas as to what to call it
but I feel a 205-235 class and then a 235 and up is needed. I agree, athletes are going to just keep getting bigger, so guys like Valasquez, who is highly touted but can’t make 205 is going to be at a serious disadvantage!
it would be fin to watch if velasquez could land a perfect shot at lesnar and carwin's face
and watch them fall like a sack of potatoes. if you were close enough to the canvas you might fell the vibration’s. as for something at the tuf finale which was at the pearl at the palms. they showed a few times the balcony seats i was talking about. we were fortunate enough to get those one time and they are the best seats in the arena. both sides have them and if you stand up you can see down into the cage which is a good vantage point.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I wouldn't want floor seats
when we got the suite in philly, it was the same as those balcony, looking down into the cage, best way to watch so ur not looking through the fence
Floor seats are terrible for any event. I like to be 1-4 rows from the floor.
It’s always worth the $$.
yes, werdum will get the win via a gogoplata.
would fedor tap? that lady in bellator (on askren vs hornbuckle card)did not tap. she is more man than half the men i’ve seen tap. lol.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
define what it means to be a man?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c he is a far superior wrestler and a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitions Vary.
But Kevs right… tapping or not tapping doesnt make u any more or less a man
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just playing anyway. i did put lol at the end of sentence. in fact it might be stupid to not tap.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c he is a far superior wrestler and a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if ur caught ur caught
no shame in it, why risk injury?
ANS, did you see my plea to u in my MMBB? I said that GSP seems too nice that he has to have skeletons or not always be a saint (after seeing his TUF promo) is there any dirt on this guy?
my bad Wolf, I thought u were serious!
kev there are good, respectable, moral people in this world
although i think EVERYONE has a LITTLE dirt to be kicked up
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, lots of people were hard on LaVinge for the stop with Mac Danzig
but if people wouldnt be stubborn about tapping this wouldnt be a problem. The exact same situation happened the next time he was reffing, guy was caught, he checked the arm and stopped it and the guy was totally out but didnt tap.
by snipersniper on Jun 21, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i can you don't even know how to spell his part timer
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
spell his name*
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lesnar or carwin's face.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
Dana did all he could in order to make this happen, except ONE thing....
He forgot to not be a douchy, trashtalking, disrepectf fuckwad towards Fedor and his managers. Dana’s shitty attitude is the reason why he isn’t willing to fight guys is the UFC. Don’t try to tell us that you’ve done everything in your power to make this happen. I HOLD YOU DANA, and NOBODY BUT YOU, responsible for not making this happen. Way to go asshole!
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
by dec3ptiKon_ on Jun 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One of you experts please explain
why it makes ‘zero’ sense for the UFC to co-promote with M-1 for a Fedor fight or fights?
Well Because The UFC Is Successful Without M1
Why share any profit with a company that doesnt deserve to be on the same level as the UFC brand. What has M1 done to deserve to reap rewards from the hard work the UFC has done for this sport. Furthermore, its more then a co promotion. Its more then just Fedor on the card. They want Fedor cards filled with M1 fighters, they want to do so many things the UFC doesnt NEED to do. Its not smart. If I had a billion dollars and you had a million would I want to combine yours with mine and share it?
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ok I'll try
If you had a business that was worth 100 million dollars and you made money on every thing you did. Then a guy walks in and says “I can give you this one thing that is the best, but in order for me to give it to you, every time you use it, we split the profits for that day.” You ask other than that one thing what they bring to the table and they say nothing. Are you now going to not only pay him 5x what ur paying ur best employee PLUS split the profits when you use his product? Or are you gonna say, “wait a second, I’m already worth 100 million and growing by the week, why don’t I just not use ur product and keep all my money?”
plus
they want all M-1 fighters on the undercards that Fedor is on…you ever heard of any of their fighters? Beside "baby Fedor who not only lost his last fight but tested positive for steroids
what is his brother's record? fedor's brother.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c he is a far superior wrestler and a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
kev isn't referring to fedors bro (aleksander) when he says "baby fedor"
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aleks is a bad MFer tho!
“Thief in Law”
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasnt talking fighting (tho hes still a badass)
But aleks is a thief in law. Extremely high up in the russian mob foodchain…
I actually saw a doc talking about Thief in law before i found out Aleks was one (his tats)……
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
saw it too
but he’s not that high up, if he were he wouldn’t be tattooing over some of those gang tats. You may not have known he had covered them up, but if you watched the same documentary as I did (which I’m 100% sure you did) you know that he wouldn’t be covering up those tats that he EARNED!
he covered up the thief in law tats on the shoulders????????
He had to have earned tp get them in the first place. you dont put those on without permission, youd be dead before the ink settled.
wonder what would make him cover them up? maybe hes out of it now?
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
kirill sidelinikov (sp?) aka baby fedor
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or do you say:
“Wait a minute….EVERYONE wants to see this thing happen, and in order to make this happen, we may have to take a slight cut on our profits”. You also have to take into consideration that any fight involving Fedor and the UFC would most likely be so incredibly profitable that both Dana and Fedor’s crew would still be able to walk away with millions in the bank.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
guy up the page put up a great scenario
he’s an electrical contractor, go read it, It really summed it up well!
I get all that but nobody here knows what exact details would be involved
in a co-promotion with these two.
We All Do.
M1 Has Made It Very Clear For Us. As Has Affliction, Strikeforce and the UFC
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If You Dont Look Them Up.
There are no secrets with them. they want half the profit on shows their ONE fighter is on and if they can they would like half the show to be leeched onto by M1 fighters
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^^^everyone above agrees fedor is the best hw ever^^^^^
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They Would Be Okay
But They Dont Need Too.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
of course they would
but if you made 40 million in a night, do you just want to give up 20 million? are we seriously debating this?
He hasn’t if he not doing something because “he doesn’t have to”. lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It isn't hard
“Doing everything possible” and “Not doing something because I don’t need to” are two very separate things – even when Dana says them.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Give the fans what they want and co-promote a couple of Fedor fights.
That would be everything. It would make poor sense short term but in the long run how many hundreds of millions do the UFC need?
Dana knows Fedor would destroy UFC heavyweights. Dana doesn’t want him to walk in, destroy the division, and then leave. He wants control.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
"how many hundreds of millions do they need?"
is this another serious statement? people with money have it for a reason, that reason isn’t giving 100’s of millions away to appease you!
Dana knows Fedor would destroy UFC heavyweights. Dana doesn’t want him to walk in, destroy the division, and then leave. He wants control.
Now thats BS, Dana would love to have Fedor in the UFC regardless how Fedor does. The UFc has and always will be about wanting the best fighters thats what makesthe UFC the UFC. Go around site to site there is a lot less talk about Fedor than Brock and Carwin? how is that the number 1 fighter in the world fighting this weekend and more talk of the Carwin and Brock fight? Business is business and Fedor is not worth co-promotion and thats obvious to anyone. So the question is do you think M1 is trying to make it impossible to do business and if so why?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Its About Good Business TOO
DANA WILL NOT CO PROMOTE with a entity like M1. And I dont blame the UFC either. I actually prefer that
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
if another company came along, wanted their name on the canvas and didn’t want 50/50 split, and it made sense, he’d prob consider it, but other than Fedor, what does M-1 offer?
I responded to u in the MMBB ANS
I agree with both of you on most points
but I also believe that the UFC would not be hurt by making an exception with Fedor and M-1.
I Disagree.
UFC is better off without M1 coming within a hundred miles of their shows
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what world you live in
but in my world, yes it is. It comes down to the bottom line. If I can make money, but want something else, but in the long run it has no real upside financially, I’m out!
Of course but what is the longterm downside in doing
a couple of co-promotions with M-1 who would most likely fade away as soon as Fedor did?
This is the friggin UFC we're talking about here.
Are you implying that they would be fucked like Affliction after a couple of co-promoted Fedor fights?
Really?
What fight organizations have had a long term deal with Fedor and are still around today?
He personally sank 2 of them
I don’t think PRIDE was his fault but Bodog put it all on him and had EPIC FAIL…. what did he do, 13000 ppv buys?
Everyone blames Josh Barnett for Afflicition but he was only part to blame. Fedor could have taken another fight, there were all sorts of guys offering from Frank Shamrock to Vitor Belfort. Once Fedor was out, the show was over.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
No kidding!
Has anyone seen a M-1 promotion? They are awful.
by naturalshadow on Jun 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Not Just That...
You gotta realize if it’s co-promotion… that means M-1 brings Fedor and the UFC brings everything else and they split the earnings. Being that 95% of the PPV buys would be because it was UFC, not because it was Fedor, that’s crap. Sorry Fedor fans, but UFC sells, not Fedor, despite his greatness. Also, you don’t help you enemy. Not even one show. Why should Dana use what he has built to help M-1. His job as the president of a company is to build his profits while crushing his competition, leaving his company as the greatest. Why give M-1 a headstart? I know it they could never be bigger, but again… why?
Just as an analogy, should the U.S.A. sell nukes to Mexico just because we are sure that as neighbors they wouldn’t use it on us? I mean, we might make some money from them, but in the end it’s only money, we already have WAY more than they do (just like UFC compared to M-1) so why is it worth transfering power?
I realize a co-promotion is a far cry from a nuke, but it’s the idea that if UFC did a co-promotion with M-1, overnight M-1 will be a far better, richer and well known MMA promotion (thus more powerful). It is simply not worth it!
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Hopefully not a white lie
I hope Dana is telling the truth.If that’s the case, then good.No more bs about Fedor from Dana.If any of the UFC heavyweights want to fight Fedor they can go to Strikeforce like Dan Henderson did.
LOL
Or stay for the UFC the best promotion on earth and fight the best HW’s in the octagon
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact
The fact were having a debate on fedor just confirms hes not fighting the best and there is a serious doubt about whether he would beat the top guys…debate now over because fedor wont fight the best guys!!
If people rank hin #1 then....
To keep that rank he would have to fight the best heavywiegths which are in the UFC rite now, with the exception of Overeem. And his legacy was based in Pride where he did fight top level HW’s but there has always been a dark cloud hanging over the now defunct promotion. I’ve read all these fighters saying that the Japanesse would push for certain outcomes of fights, drug testing over there is pretty much non-existent, Rampage even said in one interview that they asked him to loose against Wanderlei, because the Japanese love Wandy. Wandy ended up destroying Rampage so i dont think it mattered but the shady things like that make me question everything Fedor has done in Prode. So, Fedor stop being a pussy and fight the BEST. Since it looks like he’ll never ome to the UFC then at least we hope to get to see him fight Overeem before he retires, but he still would have to fight Brock/Carwin winner to truly find out who the best HW in the world is.
Having a #1 rank does not depend on 1 single condition...
With your reasoning, GSP should not be near the top (Dan Hardy? Matt Serra?). Anderson Silva should not be near the top (Miaia? Lietes?), etc.
Why not take into consideration that the other glaring accomplishments that counteract his somewhat slim competition lately. The fact that he’s NEVER actually lost. That he cleaned out Pride’s HW division, the strongest HW division at the time. Etc.
No it doesnt but......
To keep he number one ranking you have to fight good opponents, I’m not basing my argument on 1 reason and I’m not saying Fedor sucks, he’s phenomal but since his Pride days he fought the giant freak show Japaneese guy, Tim Sylvia who the UFC cut, Arlovski who didnt resign with the UFC and if he was that good then Dana would of signed him for the money he wanted. Then Fedor fights Brett Rogers who actually had him in a little trouble for maybe 5 seconds.All of these guys mentioned are not quality opponents So how does everyone still have him ranked #1, cause he never lost? 5 yrs ago I would agree with you, but lately it definitly tarnishes his legacy now with what is going on. Well guess that Fedor knows(and thats why he’s not comming to the UFC) that if he does sign with the UFC that perfect record will no longer be perfect and everyone would know that he isnt invincible . Now he’s fighting Verdum, yet another fighter who the UFC let go.
GSP has fought the best, Matt Hughes 2x, BJ Penn 2x, Fitch, Koscheck, Alves, etc. who are all good fighters and he dominated them, not the most exciting fights but he still was dominate. YEs I know Serra TKO’d him but what has GSP done since, DOMINATE. and there’s no MW on the planet that would challenge this guy if Silva is fully motivated. Silva(and GSP) will fight whoever they put in front of him.and now he’s thinking of moving to LHW, which he has shown he can and dominates in. These guys dont duck fights or say their management couldnt get a deal done, they just fight. whoever, whenever – thats the sign of a real champ, not pick and choose your opponents. Fedor knows that he can pretty much fight anyone he wants right now and there is no real competition out there(besides Overeem).which I’d be suprised if he fought him. I once loved Fedor but the past 2 yrs with him and all the bullshit with M1, I’ve lost my desire cheer for him.
And anyone who thinks Strikeforce is even on the same planet as the UFC is ridiculous. The UFC cleary has almost all the best fighters in all their wieght classes with a short few exceptions(Shields, Overeem,, Nik Diaz, to name a few)
FEDOR
is not the number 1 fighter ot hw in the world go and look at his fight record hes fought like fighters that were top 5 back in the day the rest are shit!! Either that or 185ers or 205ers and middle of the road ones at that!!
YES!!
Dude, I’ve been saying that for years. Fedor had so much potential, but he (or maybe his “people”) sure make it seem like he’s just scared of his unblemished record.
by i_am_awesome_o on Jun 21, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
that he’s a cheater. Look at the Matt Lindland fight. He hella grabs the ropes to avoid being taken down. Then he uses the ropes to get in a dominant position on Lindland and finish the fight. He’s just not that impressive-only to those who haven’t watched all his fights and just put Fedor on this “invincible” status…BS, he still hasn’t proven it to me.
by i_am_awesome_o on Jun 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to ruin this hate parade/UFC circle jerk...
But to say that Fedor has so much “potential” is ignorant…he is the most well rounded/skilled fighter walking and he has “potential”
You guys are comical
Fedor
Fedor will always be one of my favorite fighters! Probably top 2, but I will never put him at the #1 P4P list ever again. I would likely say 3rd but never #1 again.
Fedor has already fought in the big leagues
Remember that Fedor was PRIDE Heavyweight Champion when PRIDE was the #1 organisation in the world, and the UFC were second-class. Fedor has already fought and triumphed in the big leagues. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove to an organisation that he regards as second-rate.
The reality is that everyone knows that he would blow through every UFC heavyweight, and that Brock Lesnar only has a chance based on size and strength. Fedor is the most skilled fighter in the world and has nothing left to prove. I would like to see him fight in the UFC, but I don’t think that not doing so in any way tarnishes being the PRIDE Heavyweight Champion for all of those years.
The best part of “getting over it” is that we won’t have this discussion lived up anymore.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
fedor
was such a big deal in pride…..but look how the guys he was beating are doing in ufc……a bunch of has beens or guys that never lived up to the hype and have been booted. That’s great for Fedor, he was once the man beating Cro Cop, Nog, Hearing, AA, Timmy, and now Werdum. Brett Rogers………Really?
The only competition he might face is Overeem, and now with the talk of retirement, looks like he’s going to duck that fight too.
How can this guy be ranked the best at the heavy weight division with the fighters he’s been fighting. It’s BS. Let’s see how he would do against a Carwin, Lesnar, Mir, Junior or Cain at this point. Sorry but I think he would destroy Coture……who is not and never was a heavyweight in my opinion.
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