Shane Carwin has a little message for the MMA media...
by Jesse Holland on Jun 21, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
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...and he makes a pretty strong case for his UFC 116: "Lesnar vs. Carwin" preparations.
"A lot of people are still questioning my reasoning behind limiting my media access. If you read this article it would sound as if I am somehow failing at my duties as a fighter. Or according to the Zuffa "Talking Heads" I am not doing my part to sell this fight. Lets talk about me selling this fight. I earned this fight. I was "given' my previous opportunity against Brock but this one I earned. I was asked to train for Cain and I began my camp. I was then told Cain is not the opponent I am being bumped up to Lesnar. Then I begin training for Lesnar to only have him pull out of the fight TWICE. His "miracle recovery" underway I was told I am going to have to face Frank Mir to earn the opportunity to face Brock (something I had already been given and taken away now twice). So for those of you confused by the fact that I somehow am fighting Brock because I talked crap or played some hype man you are wrong. I earned this fight and this opportunity. I have never turned down a fight, I have never told Zuffa no, I have and always do a good job and for them. Those that know me know that is who and what I am all about."
UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion Shane Carwin sounds off via his official blog -- a site he names as the best place to interact with his fans -- regarding the beating he's taken by some members of the mixed martial arts media for his perceived media blackout heading into the UFC's biggest pay-per-view of the year on July 3. In addition to his media access, "The Engineer" also defends his salary and decision not to participate in smack talk. Give it a look and let's hear what you think. Is he not doing enough to sell the fight? Or is he one of the few fighters still keeping it real? What's your take?
(Photo courtesy of Lift Studios)
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Shane Carwin
has been on The Jason Ellis Show on Sat Radio. Last week I believe. He also frequently calls in.
RED DRAGONS!!!!!
i love when ellis rips brock, did yall here that rampage was voted the worlds greatest fat ass a couple wendsdays ago.
Great point, Deuce.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
he wont have to worry about being in either position
after he knocks out lesnar on their feet…………..let the hating commence
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
hey it could happen.
Its a fight. But, going up against Brock, personally, I would spend 75% of my time on my back in training. We all know he can knock people out.
Wouldn't be worth the time
Mir is a BJJ black belt and couldn’t do anything off his back. Several months of training isn’t going to get Carwin to the point where he can negate Brock’s top control. He’s better off working on his standup (Carwin’s strength) and takedown defense (where Carwin has some experience by virtue of his wrestling background).
hey brocksuckers
Take a good look at the picture above…shane is going to be in a very similar position in a few weeks( if brock isn’t out cold before he hits the canvas,anyway)
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jun 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea shane will be on the bottom
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...
by HellaHectic on Jun 21, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Of brock lesnars fans list of people they don’t like after he smashes brocks face
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's what Shane is saying:
WAAAAHHHHHH! I wanted to fight Brock when he was almost dead, not now when he’s at 100%! WAAAAAAHHHH!
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
ah shit missed when he said anything remotely resembling that
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to read between the lines.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Yeah Thats What Im Saying He Said Too
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's just saying to leave him the fock alone with all the hyping the fight crap.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Lol Then Maybe He Should Stop Doing Interviews With The Media
Who caught him doing an interview at the Ultimate Fighter. Get real if he wanted to be left alone he should avoid public appearances lol
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's doing his part.
To give him shit for not doing more is dumb. What more should he do? Accuse Brock of doing steroids? That would sell I guess.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
He Said He Would Do Nothing For The Media
so thats the exact opposite by going to the media to talk about how he isnt talking to the media
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's more than he has been doing.
Brock should sell the fight (personality alone) and split the proceeds with Buzz Killington here?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
As an engineer he should show up with a graph and slide show and demonstrate how the evolutionary curve somehow missed Borck. Also show an X-Ray of Borck's dinosaur brain and flat top as a natural "feeler" to help him not get his head stuck in places.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
LOL
Your powers as a wordsmith would be utilized so much better on the winning side. There isn’t a single ABMer in here to give you your LOL’s. But I’m always here buddy. Come to the Pain Train.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
That was to OJR. I know you have sense.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I Know I Was Urging OJR
isnt he the last of the major named free agents
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah he's Worbaniser's friendly faced sidekick
He’s the guy that tricks the sheep into joining the ABM, the nice guy recruiter for the evil Canadian womaniser.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
I just love to hate Borck. He is my favorite villain in MMA. If he went away I would have to find someone else to hate.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Nobody will ever be a bigger a'hole than Brock.
Enjoy while it lasts.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Get used to saying the following phrase after all of Brock's fights:
Curses! Foiled again!
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I don't deny the fact that he still is the scariest UFC fighter.
It’s just time for a smarter champion. Carwin will have the answer and will solve Brock’s not-so-subtle enigma. It’s time to open a window in the world of mma and let in the fresh air by welcoming a new champion who won’t make us mma fans look like [ this portion of the comment has been deleted because it may constitute a breach of the Ewok Pact of Neutrality ]. That’s all I had to say about that.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Very nice.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
“Then I begin training for Lesnar to only have him pull out of the fight TWICE. His “miracle recovery” underway" …That entire statement is just bullshit. Does he thing the doctors lied to the world and Brock was secretly at the Mayo clinic training?
lol Training in the most scientific ways, literally he is an honorary doctor now
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Yeah, it’s not like Brock was at the Mayo Clinic for his health. Oh wait, he was.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
No PW. We have figured it out Brock was really at the Mayo undergoing specialized space aged training like Ivan Drago in Rocky 4. Who knows what those Doctors were doing to make Brock better than Shane.
rocky IV montage songs
both the techno and hearts on fire, now playing in my head. Thanks guys (sincere).
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL Yeah that a 225 pound man he's on top of at least Brock training partners are all 260+ LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
lol ya "DeathClutch"? ooooooo scary!
The janitor and guy he pays rent to at that gym are that big? Fuckin ghost town.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea death clutch is lame
Team Punishment is the best (name wise)
What’s rashad and king mo’s. Team called agin?? Juicy or thirsty or somethen??
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rashad has a team with King Mo?
Have I missed something?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
JAY
hes gone from jackson and i remember him doing an interview and talking baout being part of Team Thirsty.
heres link to Team Thirsty Fighters
http://www.wethirsty.com/bios.html
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
all wrestlers?
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I Told You Guys McSweeney And Rashad Were Leaving Gregs
I know McSweeney Was Kicked Out And Rashad Was Supposedly Leaving But I Thought To Just Go To Grudge Full Time
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I Dont Think Its As Bad As It Seems
I Mean GSP trains at Tri Star and Nate at Grudge. I thought Rashad was going there honestly. Who knows though I know Rashad was part of that ugly dismissal of James.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ANS, can you shine a little light onto the McSweeney falling out?
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Horrible Guy To Have In A Team
Bad mouthed everyone, talked alot of shit, was out for his own, cared more about exposure then anything else, got caught talking bad about his lead trainer
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So it must have been cool to see him get dominated? Karma is a puta.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I knew he was a dick. Just looking at his face you can tell he's an asshole.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
its stereotyping at its best
but itsnt funny how just by looking at people some have the
Dumb look, gay look, asshole look, nerd look, friendly look etc.
I have a family friend that just has “that gay face” where you know (think) he is…
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
It’s all true. I can tell if I like someone just by looking at their face. And I’m pretty strict in my judgments, If I think you look gay, you will always be gay to me. If you look like an asshole at first glance-you will always be an asshole to me. There’s no way to make up for that first impression either. NONE.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
We're playing.
A good tip to remember…If we aren’t talking MMA, we’re probably goofing around.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
LOL!!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ANS, you could have summed it all up by saying he acted the same way he did on TUF season 10! lol
Thanks for the info!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Jay - that philosophy of yours is funny and strange at the same time.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
It Was Satisfactory As Someone Who Was Frustrated With Him
He has over a hundred victories in kick boxing. An absolute amazing striker. Doesnt work on his ground game. It was like um ya James see what we all been telling you.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
BY THE WAY
mmajunkie is reporting McSweeney plans to appeal his loss from saturday citing illegal elbows. Nice head/cut pic also
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What a pendejo.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
rashad is also
with Grudge Fight Team along with McSweeney and CARWIN?
.http://grudgetrainingcenter.com/fight-team/
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah That Sounds Better
You Worried Me For a Second
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
so is thirsty his wrestling team
and grudge for everything else?
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I Really Dont Know About King Mo and This Thirsty Team
I just thought Rashad was going straight to Grudge
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
they're all going to team grudge to get roids/doping in their system.
what better way than to go somewhere u know they have good doctors.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
You Know Brock Has Spent Time
At Minnesota Mixed Martial Arts and With Randy Coutures Camp Right?
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignorant Worby strikes again LOL yeah all he has is a janitor
One of DethClutch latest members is a 155-5 coolege division one wrestler Cole Konrad who is also 280 pounds…..but it doesn’t matter all you can do on this site Worby is trash talk I have yet to hear you say anything that actually means something?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Nick Diaz/Roger Huertaitis
Press is a part of the game. You just have to accept it and deal with it. It is a part of you becoming a name. Fedor is a legend and his talent and prowess can’t be denied but in reality you have to open your mouth and talk. This is a business and entertainment as well as a sport. You don’t have to go all Undertaker and Jimmy the mouth of the south but damn grow up.
Carwin is doing the right thing!
He should have never been promised a fight with Brock Lesnar in the first place and that’s were the controversy lies! the inability from the UFC to look at this more like a sport than a tv show.
as Maradona said to the media, you can all suck it and you can keep on sucking it !
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
What controversy?
Fighters get injured all the time. It seems that Carwin doesn’t want to talk smack, but somehow he is questioning the legitimacy of Brock’s disease/injury. Come on, this guy is a two face…he got a shot at Lesnar for opening his mouth after the Brock/Mir fight, then he was given a short at an interim title for his troubles. Carwin, now you are a champion, what is there to complain about? unless he feels insecure about the legitimacy of the title.
everything u just wrote seems controversial to me.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
If he Isnt Talking To The Media To Hype This Fight
He is doing a terrible job. “Hey Media Im Not Talking To You But Hey Media Can I Talk To You To Tell You Why Im Not Talking To You… See I Earned My Spot So I Dont Need To Hype This Fight Or Talk About It… Okay Thats It Im Not Talking To Media Anymore”…. Blah Blah Blah
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he this boring at the gym?
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WOW
You guys try to avoid him outside the gym? He looks like a smelly fucker too. I bet he stinks. Give us some dirt, ANS. Who do you like in this fight>?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
No No Avoiding...
He Is A Nice Guy And A Hard Worker, He Just Is a Bit Older Doesnt Really Mess With Alot Of Younger Guys, He Is A Beast In The Gym Though. But In This Fight I Have Brock.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it, ANS.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I Just Dont Think Carwins Wrestling
Is anywhere near Brocks. And once he is on his back with Brock on top he doesnt have the BJJ or defensive wrestling to sweep or get up. If Brock gets in half guard or side mount its going to be over
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to like your posts, ANS. *shaking fist*
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Lol.
By the way I got your email… just give me a few to answer properly.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Take your time.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Interesting...I love the insider prospective.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Shaddup, Jay!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
LOL
I seen that you were on a bit this weekend. They must be getting to you.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Yeah I had some free time. Thought I might lay an ass whupping to the weekend posters.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I like them, they are like wild animals. Once in a while you find one that can be tamed and bring him into the regular fold.
It’s like hunting.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
LOL!!!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ANS is fooling every1 in2 picking Brock so he can come up in the pool
by d*locc on Jun 21, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol.
I pick awful alot due to an emotional bias at least two fights an event.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt you also pick Rampage ??
betting against the old team eh!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Also Picked Rampage To Beat Rashad. Also Picking Brock to Beat Carwin. I Also Picked Thiago Alves To Upset St. Pierre (*Stupid Me)
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You should probably think about switching camps if you expect your training partners to lose each of their fights.
Alves over GSP? Really?
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Yes I Know I Know
I just thought Alves would chop St. Pierre down and avoid the TD’s with his speed and strength long enough to land some lethal knees, kicks, punches. I know i know i screwed that one up. But my training partners far exceed just GSP and Rashad. I mean there are a bunch of guys and there all going to lose at some point
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You should maybe start fucking with their training, slip some ex-lax into the water bottle or something.
Maybe take out Carwin’s knees with a bat this weekend?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Lol to Win Bets?
Actually I do alot of the scouting and opponent analysis so it actually hurts me to see the guys lose.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
no dude just for shits and giggles
…literally.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
yeah, what Body triangle said.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Lol....
Hey George I made you some tea
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"I think you did great with this laxative, but...
I’m not imprezzed wif your prank".
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Please not Georges..
Feel free to fuck with Carwin, Joe Daddy, Cerrone….
Unless I named you.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
lol...
Bring in some really good smelling food into the gym when people are tyring to cut weight. That would be funny.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
do the meangirls thing
and tell them that fat-tastic bar is a dietary supplement
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol.
I get so grouchy when i weight cut and someone is eating something delicious
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
This all seems like it would make for some funny situations.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Anyone who has ever had to cut weight will know
its brutal
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't try it for a million bucks.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Then Cutting In the Sauna Is
like the cherry on the frickin top
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
How much do you cut and how long before a fight do you start your cut?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
My Second to Last Cut Was My Biggest And Hardest
about 28 pounds. Usually I diet stricter two weeks out and start the cut 4-5 days before. Thats usually not all the time. It depends on my weight… the timing… etc.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
28 fucking pounds?
Why not just move up in weight? Sandbagger. Your name isn’t Anderson Silva is it?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
It Wasnt Supposed To Be That
I kinda got my hands on too much food in between fights. Like Pat Barry lol. It was a Tough Cut to say the least.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew it, your secret Mania identity is your entrance song
War Andy, share more of your wisdom with us mere mortals. Except jay, he doesn’t appreciate the gospel of the Spider so he doesn’t deserve to talk to you.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
LOL
Shuddap.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
I never did it for wrestling
as I didn’t get into combat sports until midway through my senior year, but i did do a “Kenny v Spenny” weight cutting competition against this one dude, and it was who could lose more weight in a day. FUCKING MISERABLE.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention extremely dangerous?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
For sure
it was college. Did a bunch of extremely dangerous (read: stupid) things then.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kinda new to Mania?
I don’t remember the name and you seem like a good guy like the rest of us.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Is it true that laxatives don’t have the desired prankster affect on GSP since his farts don’t make any sound?
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
If GSP farts in a gym, and no ones around to hear it
does it make a sound?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no sound
but the smell of Vaseline is apparent
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
PW - I got your reference and howled with laughter. That was great!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i would hope so lol
wasnt that hidden
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Long time lurker
usually post on WKR or BE. But i feel like i can let my cannons loose over here. Bloody fun.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Mania is the best. Accept no substitutes.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I like 'em all
even gals guide to MMA. Frankly, i can’t get enough of this shit. I post all over the place. I’m a junkie in the worst way (itches side of neck) “Y’all can show me just one more fight…cammon, just a little one!”
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Many of us have been banned from the other sites, which makes this one the best by default.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I can give BE credit where credit is due,
It’s because of them that I linked to Mania and finally found the religious cult that’s tailor made for me.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
i thoroughly enjoy BE
i love the controversy they stir up, sparks a ton of conversation. There are some elitist bastards and sensitive standards, but on the hole (see Hamil’s back) a great site.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay, are you saying you're a really good guy?
Go ahead and group yourself in with the popular kids… I see how it is.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay is a good guy. I have met him in person. Have you?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
No, I haven’t and wasn’t disputing it. It just sounded funny. My comment was a reply to his “you seem like a good guy LIKE THE REST of US.” I knew what he meant but it just sounded funny to me so I was busting chops. I seem to side with Jay on about 99% of topics. (Basically, he does all my arguing for me.)
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 24, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What is up with the capitals all the time bro?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I Dont Know
Its Like OCD Or Something I Cant Help It
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...cool
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
LOL, good one Jimbobb
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I didn't say he earned it. But obviously he was the right man for the job...
When Brock smashes Carwin, all the Brock haters will be saying how he was the wrong man for the job and didn’t earn it and that Cain JDS will “smash” him. Mark my words.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Or win Carwin wins, all the Brock lovers will be giving Ring Rust/Illness as an excuse
Can’t wait for that!
reason, not excuse.
You don’t think it’s a legit reason? He might come out looking like total shit.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Stop it jay, don't give it to them!
Brock will look as always cause he is THE MAN and destroys people.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
LOL
You forgot to say no homo. I have no choice but to think this was a gay statement.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Oh I thought hugging fighter nuts is an automatic no-home
Kinda like the NBA dudes slapping each other on the ass, no-homo is just presumed.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
LOL
I agree with that. But these other guys on here are vultures for that kind of shit.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
He confirmed himself he has never been better.
He said himself he has been in phenomenal shape for the past 6 months so he better stand on that same leg when he loses.
If Brock Said Oh Im Feeling Like Hell
Im Not at 100% Then The Fight Loses Its Appeal
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think he always looks like shit..I mean, a flattop, seriously? But he will prolly fight like shit july 3rd as well
Join The Army, Visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
by salamagogo on Jun 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
leerage anyone that understands how talented both these guys are
Wouldn’t be shocked to see it go either way. Carwin has the most deadly right in MMA and Brock is a freak specimen and both seem to have great training ethic. Someone has to lose and my Money is on Carwin losing but if Brock can’t avoid the big right his night could be over. After this fight both fighters I think will go 2 or 3 wins in a rwo and we will see part 2 but thats looking to far down the road. When the #1 and #2 go agaisnt eachother I hope it would be a close one. No doubt this is the best HW fight since the Pride days!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I hope no one uses that as an excuse cause hasn’t had enough fights to have ring rust :p
by constant on Jun 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly...
Would a guy in his pro debut get to say he had ring rust? No.
Neither does a guy with 4 pro fights.
sure he earned his shot!
he lost a very close fight to mir and then beat one of the p4p best fighters of all time in heath herring. thats more than enough!
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
in case you didnt pick up on it when i said herring was one of the best fighters p4p
i was being sarcastic. brock “earned” his shot by bringing in tons of ppv buys
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
not only did he lose by submission
but he went to a decision with herring, sure he beat him up, but there was no finnish there. how does one get a shot at the title then? oh ya, the ufc is in the business of making money and brock brings that to the table
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Plus there was NOBODY else to fight. And Randy was the one that requested Brock for the PPV dollars.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
So...
Lets have all the fighters request fights based only on PPV dollar potential.
Or not.
It’s not like a title was involved or anything.
Or Not.
Quit blaming Brock for his drawing power though. It's not like he was the one running to Dana and asking to fight for a belt.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Im Not Saying Right or Wrong
But If Randy Asks For Brock and Dana Says Okay… Why In The Hell Would Brock Say No? Its Not His Fault
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy gets a piece of PPV sales. It’s in his best financial interest to request a fight with the guy who is going to draw the most PPV buys. I can understand some of the reasons people don’t like Brock, but getting a title shot because the champ asked to fight him shouldn’t be one of them.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Yeah But See Brock Was a Legit Opponent
After beating Heath Herring. If Kimbo beat Heath Herring its slightly different. Randy asked for basically what was best available in terms of opponent and marketability
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It is When You Have Fought
Heath Herring and Frank Mir. And like I asked earlier what would you rather have done with Brock? And at that who should Randy have fought for his comeback fight?
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
A big record does not a legit opponent make
see: Wiuff, Travis.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha Travis Fulton
or what about Dante Rivera who has like , 14-8 i think?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Records Mean Something
But not everything. I will be happy to agree with StrikerDave if he just tells me what the UFC should have doneinstead of making one of the biggest fights in UFC history financially speaking
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know....
….maybe have Randy, you know the champ, fight the interim champ. Like it’s done in every other legit sport.
If I Remember Correctly
He fights Brock in November of 08 while the Ultimate Fighter Show is still being aired which features an Interim title fight showdown in December of 08 between Nog and Mir
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What was the rush....
WHy did Randy HAVE to fight right then?
Have Randy fight in three months, give Brock a legit contender shot and score: money and legitimacy.
Greed….it will ruin the sport.
He was already out for over a year
None of this even matters if Brock beats Carwin and Cain… You know that right?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Anyone Who Says Brock Isnt A Legit
MMA fighter, undoubtedly Top 6 in the world is very very biased and mistaken.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Came Back And Wanted To Fight
You cant turn off the fight between the coaches so those two guys are out. Randy wants to fight, The UFC loves to have Randy fight. Who else is there besides Brock? Maybe Brock was propelled in without deserving it. But what were the alternatives
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry...
but he was champ and an interim champ was crowned. He need to fight the interim champ…even if it was 3 months of from whenhe arbitrarily decided to come back.
No rush
The Rush Was Randy Wanted To Fight
The UFC 91 Didnt Have a Headliner yet and Randy Couture was still one of the biggest named guys who sells the most for the company. There not gonna risk the winner of Nog vs Mir being injured and making Randy Wait even longer. What if Randy does wait and Mir breaks his hand and is out til August of 09. Shelve Randy a whole year?
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So…just so we can all understand. SD hates Brock with a passion because Randy chose to fight him instead of waiting for the Interim champ and the UFC allowed this? Does that not seem like he is hating the wrong person?
u guys are acting like they follow a system.
they knew very well what they wanted to do with Brock they wanted him to fight for the title instantly! so don’t act like they had no other options..
Fact is a fighter is most of the time as good as his level of popularity is, with viewers and marketing from the UFC.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
+ the hell what the fighters want.
it’s supposed to be a sport not a popularity contest, were they go all “MTV” to set everything up.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
Roberto it was there best option
With Mir and NOG fighting and JDS not wanting to compete agaisnt NOG who else was there that was that much more worthy? Your jsut talking sh^t now becasue there was nobody that was as good as Herring let alone Brock at the time.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Roberto is right. Borck is very popular because his WWE fans followed him. Easy money for the UFC.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
so Mir and Nog was a fight the UFC “had to make” ? Cain even made his UFC debut before Brock did and if he had a huge fan following he would have been thrown in right away and Brock would’ve been the one to sit back.
get ur head out of your ass Puck and just admit to yourself that Brock got his shot so quick because he’s a big name and big money!
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
Never said it did...
But…the lack of a record does take you out of the running as a legit opponent.
Herring BTW, had just lost to Jake O’Brien. He was a softball that the UFC threw over the plate for brock. If guys like O’Brien can school Herring, anyone can. And Mir beat him…made him look amatuerish. So please tell me again why a guy that is 1-1 in the UFC (and the win being herring) make you legit?
Save your typing.
Look I'm Not In Total Disagreement With You
but what im saying is it was a timing thing. What other options were there?
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Herring is not a softball for ANY fighter with 2 pro fights on his resume.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Blah, blah, blah....
Hi only wins in the UFC are over Imes (LOL) and a split decision over Kongo….that’s right he couldn’t even get a unanimous decision against Kongo…on the ground.
Wait wait wait:
I said: A big record does not a legit opponent make.
Then you said:
Never said it did…
But…the lack of a record does take you out of the running as a legit opponent.
That’s the same thing man.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all....
Having a fast car doesn;t mean you can race in the Daytona 500….but not having a car means you will never race. Get it.
Same thing. Just because you fought a bunch of guys doesn’t mean you earned a title shot. But haven’t face no legit opponents means you aren’t worthy of a title shot.
Dude read that post again.
A Big record does not a legit opponent make is a silly way of saying:
Having a big record doesn’t make you a legit opponent.
You then said:
you never said it did make you a legit opponent, but the lack of a record takes you away from being a legit opponent. Your analogy is incorrect or you’re trying to say something else?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
You aren’t getting it….
Having a good record doesnt earn you a title shot if it is against punks…but not having a record at all does take you out of the title picture….
How can that be any clearer?
ok
but history dictates that your opinion is wrong.
See: Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture. Brock Lesnar may not have “Earned” his title-shot by your standards, but in retrospect, he sure as hell deserved it.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
Rogers and Werdum don’t deserve to fight Fedor?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
That's to SD
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Title Shots Arent Based On Beating Certain Types of Guys
what matters is how you finish fights, and if you dont what those fights were like, how marketable you are, etc.
Gray Maynard Got Dismissed From Fighting BJ in Favor Of Frankie Edgar. Maynard Beat Edgar. Title shots dont just mean you beat tougher guys
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Wrong...
“what matters is how you finish fights,”
TItle shots are based on earning it by beating top guys. If what you are saying is true then Houston Alexander should have gotten a title shot.
“So what you’re saying is…Rogers and Werdum don’t deserve to fight Fedor?”
What are you talking about. Werdum beat Silva and the next best guys in SF. Rogers beat AA. Both are highly ranked. Brock wasnt even ranked when he fought Randy.
Title Shots Are Earned By Winning Fights
But thats in general… it also matters how. You cant win 7 straight split decisions and expect a title shot.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Fitch got a title shot
And will be next in line if he rebeats Alves (and Kos loses). Fail on that point.
fail yourself son
Fitch then went on to win 4 UDs against quality opponents. he now has to fight another top 5er, and if he wins, then he gets a title shot. If he had knocked out the first 2 he would have been given insta-shot.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
How do you know? Are you Joe fucking Silva? Hendo smacked around his opponents after he lost to Anderson…yet no title shot.
What the fuck? No he didn't.
he knocked out Bisping, and took Franklin to a decision that some say he arguably lost? Oh yeah, and decisioned PALHARES.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Please...
The KO of Bisping @ UFC 100…the way it happened , after a season of smack talk on TUF, at the biggest UFC even tin history…should have been an insta shot. Too bad a victory over Bisping doesnt mean shit…see my point.
You don't even have a point anymore
seriously what is your argument? no one deserves a title shot ever, and everyone who gets one doesn’t deserve it?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah thats my point...
Another guy that missed it and blames theother guy.
My point is that Brock didnt earn his title shot. Save your typing because no sane person thinks he did. There are a million reasons why he did get the shot but earning it wasnt one of them.
So whats your point genius?
Your the most lovable Ad Hominem attacker I've argued with in a while
my point is I don’t give a shit whether or not Brock earned a title shot, he proved he deserved it and should be ranked pretty high seeing as he is the HW champion as of late.
now that the rational part is over:
Your motha’s tits.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He got his shot for a less legit reason then Serra got his
And has never defended the unified title…not once. He doesn’t desrrve shit.
Oh and aren't you the one saying that I dont know MMA.
You seem tpo be the Ad Hominem guy here. Arguing a losing point and saying I dont know my shit. Okayyy.
ad hominem
has to do with arguments, not MMA. If i were calling you a loser or sarcastically saying genius, that would have some merit. Clearly you’re an MMA fan, I’m not disputing that, I just think that your arguments don’t make much sense.
As far as deserved title shots go, i find that argument over anyone deserving over someone else kind of bullshit. Sure, Brock may not have “earned” his shot, but he sure as hell proved he belonged there when he KO’d the heavyweight champ.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No shit sherlock...
I think your arguments don’t make any sense and you are simply being obtuse in order to try to win the argument, event hough you aren’t right. Nothing to do with MMA…everything to do with your argument.
“Sure, Brock may not have "earned" his shot, but he sure as hell proved he belonged there when he KO’d the heavyweight champ”
So by this logic you think Serra was better than GSP for a while. He KO’d the champ. LMFAO. Brock got in there and hit Randy in the back of the head. At least Serra had a clean win. Besides, Randy hasn’t eben the same since the 15 month layoff…the UFC knew all of this and placed Brock there so that he could get the easiest title shot. Not reason to wait until Randy or Mir unified the title. they had to gret Brock that shot right then. LOL. Complete joke.
not really
since he owned Mir in the rematch. I don’t care if he earned it or not, he beat the champ, and handy won’t beat him now nor ever. he didn’t hit him in the back of the head- he caught him clean.
And dude- if you KO someone, yeah, I’d say you’re better than them. So for the time being, yeah, I think Serra was better than GSP. GSP had to learn better defense for those power bombs serra wings.
Now, do I think Frankie Edgar is or was ever better than BJ cuz he beat him? No, because it wasn’t decisive.
What about my arguments don’t make sense?
I’m not being obtuse, I’m stating arguments that I haven’t seen another poster disagree with, except you. Now, that’s definitely not the litmus test for being right, but when you say shit like " Yeah, having a big record doesn’t make you a contender, but i don’t disagree with not having a big record doesn’t necessarily preclude you from being a contender"…well that doesn’t make much sense to me.
Especially considering that he WON the TITLE. Then defended it. Fine, Brock was set up to beat handy…fine, i’ll give you that, even though i don’t believe it. he still beat handy. Shouldn’t he be able to defend the title as the champ? He didn’t even bullshit around with another HW title shot after that ko
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Handy? Are you brazillian?
“he didn’t hit him in the back of the head- he caught him clean.”
Well then, okay. Wait…not okay…I SAW HIM HIT RANDY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. Good luck trying to convince me I didn’t.
Okay, Serra KO’d GSP. So you must have thought Serra would win the rematch. How much did you bet? Please.
“Now, that’s definitely not the litmus test for being right, but when you say shit like " Yeah,…"
FYI when you use quotes…you are supposed to actually quote the person. I did not say what you typed. That’s how it works…if you quotes someone, you have to actually quote what they said, not just make it up.
What I said was….
“Having a good record doesnt earn you a title shot if it is against punks…but not having a record at all does take you out of the title picture….”
Why is that so hard?
Sorry but Mir had earned the shot against Randy.
i say handy cuz its funny
also- tambem eu posso falar portugues, so its even better. What did handy say when they interviewed him about the fight? How did Brock hit him in the back of the head standing in front of him? But again either way i don’t care, thats not part of my argument.
My mistake on the quotes, way too lazy to scroll up and re-read the bullshit you were typing. And that’s the second quote, the first quote was:
Never said it did…
But…the lack of a record does take you out of the running as a legit opponent.
So again, that first one doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, seeing as i said that a big record doesn’t mean you’re automatically a legit opponent, TACITLY implying that having a smaller record does make you a good opponent. Its not hard- you just make very little sense.
Then you go on to make arguments about strength of record, what earns you a title shot, etc., never once settling on what may earn you a title shot. You then skirt around JOHN FITCH who took 8 fights to earn a title shot, and then defeated 4 top contenders and now must defeat another for a title shot.
Again- did Anderson earn his title shot from a KO of Leben? Did Maia by beating Miller? Did Chael by beating Nate Marquardt (after a loss to DAMIAN MAIA?) Did Shogun earn his title shot by koing chuck and weakly beating Coleman?
Dude, I can go on for days.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm gonna move this post to the bottom
cuz i’m sick of my replies lookin all, skinny and long.
yep
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Scenario Is Different
But I would say yeah if Fitch KO’d two in a row he would be getting the shot. Not Koscheck.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Except It Took Him
EIGHT fights to do so. I mean to get his shot he decisioned Chris Wilson.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But none of this was Brock’s doing. He didn’t ask for a title shot, and he didn’t ask for Randy. Randy asked for Brock, and Brock would have fought him even if it wasn’t a title fight. It just so happened that Randy held the belt at the time.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
But it was a title fight.
Randy doesnt make matches…the UFC does. They could have waited instead they decided to give a guy who is 1-1 a title shot against the easiest guy the could have.
They did have to do it. They culd have waited for it to be legit
it is legit
it wouldn’t have been if Randy rolled through him. But Brock destroyed him. What do you want for legitimacy?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Expect anything can happen in a fight.
Did Serra really earn his shot ? no he won the shot on a agme show.
Just because Sera ended up beating GSP doesnt mean that he earned the shot. ANd it doesnt mean he was a really the top guy @ 170 like Dand claims Brock is @ HW.
Well Brock is the heavyweight champ
so…he sure is up there.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
StrikerDave
I’m now convinced that you don’t have a grasp on the MMA picture, particularly the UFC one. How you finish fights absolutely does matter. Ask Maynard, ask Florian, ask Carwin, ask Fitch, etc.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But they are also winning against the top guys.
By you logic, why didn;t Alexander get a title shot. Dramatic finishes.
You are talking in abstracts and you my friend are missing the point and dont understand MMA.
Dramatic Finishes Is Different For The Record
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And For The Record Is Houston Beats Thiago Silva
I would assume Houston fights someone like Soko, Wandelei, or wilson gouveia and gets a title shot had he won.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
But he didnt...
He beat a guys who would go on a 2-6 tear (Jardine…2 and 6?) and a guy who would lose to Leben in his next fight. So even though Houston had HUGE KO’s , what really mattered was that he couldnt do it against better guys…therefore no shot. Thanks for making my point.
Wait Wait...
I said after two HUGE KO’s he loses bad to Thiago Silva. If He wins. he would be in a number one contender fight.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
So if he was able to beat a legit contender he would have gotten the shot instead he just had big wins over guys who are med level at best. So no title shot.
Thats my point.
Gouveia, Wand and Soko
Are at the same level as Sakara and Jardine at the time
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Im saying Him beating Jardine and Sakara
was just as legit if he would have went on to beat Gouveia, Soko or Wand.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Your arguement is that if you getan impressive finish...
it s more important than who you beat.
Total BS as proven by Houston Alexandar. He schooled two mid level guys and yet no shot…why? becuase they were mid level guys. Yet, Forest beat Shogun in a slopy fight and gets a title shot….hmmmm I wonder who is right about this arguement.
Forrest Got His Title Shot
due to marketability more then anything else which is also a HUGE factor
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shogun Beats Forrest
He Gets A Title Shot. Due to a Big Name he Beat and the Rampage vs Shogun II angle. Not because he necassarily deserved it
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Its definitely a factor
Not the be all end all, as proven by countless fighters, but most notably JOHN FUCKING FITCH STOP IGNORING HIM LIKE DANA.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you using houston alexander as an example for anything? He may have HUGE KOs on his record but how long has it been since he put multiple wins together?
Because he makes my point....
They are saying that if you finish guys well, then you should get a title shot.
Yet I am saying who you beat is more important that beating a couple of mid level guys dramatically.
Houston has two for the most amazing KO’s in the sport back to back. Yest no title shot. Why because he lost to the legit guys once he was tested.
I know you are on the Brock Train Wreck but you should be able to get this point.
I understand your point but there are way more factors in it than just who you beat.
Whether we like it or not they factor in who you beat, how you beat them, how big of a draw you are, how marketable you are, and what your current record/streak is at.
Yes....I agree with that
Of course there are a ton of factors that go into getting a shot.
However, in the context of this conversation, Brock only had one factor in his favor to get the shot. And it wasn’t about his fighting ability. It was about his ability to make money.
I’m not against making a dollar, but I feel that the UFc bastardized the sport by putting a non legit fighter in against a weak champ (try to deny that Randy is less of a fighter than he was before the 15 month layoff).
If Brock even had one more fight or even an impressive victory I would have to eat crow and just accept it (not that I don’t just have to accept it now).
Bottom line, they jumped other fighters who had earned this shot in order to make some short term cash. Once Brock starts facing legit talent he could be exposed and the legit sports world will be laughing at MMA for having a paper champ that didnt earn its shot.
I call for standards in order to get a title shot. Its the only road to legitimizing the sport. The BCS system is a prime example. Teams get BCS bowl games all the time for reasons other than their play on the field. It belittles the efforts of the teams that did earn the spot and it make the national title controversial at best. If they set a playoff (standards to get to the BCS games) then there would be no controversy and no teams will be over looked for reasons other than thier preformance. Same thing in MMA.
The Brocksuckers don’t seem to care. They are the most vocal of all MMA fans and they want their boy in with the belt weather he earned it or not. Too bad for the sport long term.
I am a huge fan of Brock and I will grant you he did not deserve the title shot. Yes he was given it on hype and possible money but you cannot deny the potential that he has. Legit competition seems to change based on whoever is trying to make the point. And I will definitely admit that Brock’s competition has been weak so far but given time I think he will prove that he deserves to be champion.
His potential....
Is the highest of any fighter in the history of the sport.
Toot that on your Train Wreck, there I said it. His potential is there. But potential doesn’t earn you title shots…or at least it shouldn’t.
I have always said, if Brock destroys the division, I will be forced to accept it. I wont like it but I wouldnt be able to deny it.
Unfortuantely for Brock and the Brocksuckers…he has 3-4 monsters who will all tear him apart.
agreed.
any of them deserve a shot at handy before brock? No? oh ok.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
also let me just say
I fuggin hate Brock Lesnar, i just think that the beast of the man as he is, he deserves the belt and he’s definitely the one to beat.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Um...you know...the interim champion
Mir or Nog. Being that they were the interim champ and the word “interim” had been dropped during the season of TUF with them as coaches. They earned the right to be the unified champ before money boy got placed there.
Do you really not think the interim champ should fight the returning champ before anyone else. Are you new to MMA? Sports? Are you a chick? Or foriegn? Or all?
Save your typing before you say that the interim fight was already scheduled…blah, blah, blah….they could have waited 3 moonths to do it. Randy was under contract and could have waited 3 months.
i don't care.
They did eventually fight, and they lost to Brock. It doesn’t matter.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir owned Nog.
Brock owned Mir. You think Nog had a shot at beating Brock? I’d have loved to see the fight, but wouldn’t have thrown down money on Nog.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to defend myself
by claiming i watched all ufcs and prides and sengokus and dreams eva. I’ll just let my borderline useless knowledge i’ve accumulated through my silly obsession with this sport speak for itself.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
For that matter why did Mir deserve to fight for the interim belt? He lost to Vera, Beat a newcomer Brock then beat Anthony Hardonk.
of course
you can downplay anyone’s title shot. totally agree- which is why i find it silly to say so-and-so didn’t deserve a shot.
Does Chael deserve a shot at anderson? Did Maia? Hell, did Anderson deserve his shot after 1 win?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely not.
I hope this is the start of a round robin between carwin, brock, jds, cain.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
Shane wouldn't help sell this fight if he talked. He's boring.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Good call, Carwin is a larger Dan Henderson
except for Carwin never lets it get out of the first round.
always borrow money from a pessimist, they won't expect it back anyway!
by WarriorSaint on Jun 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, and he won't get out of the first with Brock either...
Except the result will be opposite for him.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Exactly. I was trying to think of a good fighter with no personality. You came up with the best one.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Hendo is just a really relaxed guy. People are so fixed with personalities that they would fuck a goat if it got them enough attention.
really relaxed guys don't sell PPV's(unless his name is GSP)
I am definitely not saying it’s a bad thing to be quiet and relaxed, but that isn’t what most fans are looking for. They all want to see the guys with the big personalities, usually just to see them get KTFO.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I think people would have gotten past
Hendo’s chilled out personality had he not gotten choked out by Andy. Look at Fedor and his loyal following.
He has aloyal following and always will but he doesn't pull Brock ppv numbers and at the end of the day...
It’s all about the Benjamins.
Dan Henderson still resides as my #1 favorite fighter. And Nick Diaz has always been an incredibly close second.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Well in this sport
Its all about the Franklins.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I don't know free
Neither Cain or JDS fought anyone who was in contention unless you count Big Nog for Cain as a contender. Mir was the guy to beat since Mir took the interim title from Big Nog and Carwin smashed him easily. Based on that I would say Carwin DOES indeed deserve the title shot.
always borrow money from a pessimist, they won't expect it back anyway!
its his perogative
he has his reasons, so good for him. i’m sure answering the same questions a thousand times is time consuming… but he needs to quit his engineering job. you can’t be a world champion and an engineer. you need to be able to have time to promote the sport.
pick which job is more important.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
That depends.
Still need to wait and see if Brock actually fights, and doesn’t have cycling…ummmm stomach issues again.
We won't have to worry about him being a Champ and an Engineer.
A fighter and an engineer maybe, but never champ. (unless you count that fake belt he hasn’t taken off since he won).
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
i’ve gotta say it a thousand times so people dont think i’m full of shit after the fight:
carwin will easily walk through lesnar, it will look very similar to carwin vs mir.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
by MicahW on Jun 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rewatch couture vs lesnar. then imagine who would win in the wrestling department between couture and carwin. thats all i’m basing my statement on.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
i’m actually surprised you didnt find a way for fedor to win in that scenario
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I'm going to start being the BE or KidNate of commenters, I'm just going to copy and paste your comments and say "I agree & Dana White sucks!"
Fedor wins against
Couture, Lesnar, and Carwin.
It might be interesting if say Fedor had his arms cut off or was blinded right before the fight….he still wins by simultaneous submission of all 3.
Easy to type Striker
But none the less is 100% opinion.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No you're right...
I really beleive that Fedor can beat three guys at once with his arms severed and blinded.
Sigh……
LOL
I really believe I have the biggest dick out all the mania posters!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I just got a visual image of Fedor with all three in a triangle choke and smacking all of them 3 Stooges style.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Certainly, this is the most powerful striker Brock has ever been up against
And the biggest man. I don’t think he’ll be able to through Carwin around so easily.
I actually Do
Carwin isnt used to being bullied. And he will July 3rd.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carwin Is On His Back He Is Staying There So
I would have to agree with you
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked Carwin today in the pool
I just don’t think Brock’s standup will be good enough…and I think Shane knows this and will be practicing TD defense…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
same here, same here.
It’s going to be easier for Carwin to see Brock shooting in knowing he has the advantage standing and is a good wrestler himself.
why don't you practice safe sex and go fuck yourself !
perfectly said Shane
All the more reason we are proud to have you as HeavyWeight Champ in 12 days. You speak your mind regardless. Keep being yourself and let the ppl with closed minds complain, because they don’t want to believe Zuffa makes mistakes. Just cause their your boss doesn’t mean you can’t be honest. Dana would be the first to call anyone a name. Stick to your guns, fire em at Lesnians head, and you’re golden.
Well said CarWIN. Good for you.
I’m takin a nap, I’m 26 and far too old to go a whole day without one. I’ll be back to read the carnage. :)
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Make sure you save this post.
You can change the name Carwin to Cain then JDS then Fedor then quit.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Thats why Carwin doesn't speak to often
when he did he was always speaking of himself as the good guy for the fans.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Simple
CARWIN wins
BROCK doesn’t
Re Match booked within minutes after Lesner eats a right to his insanely handsome kisser and folds like a brick shithouse
Valesques v Dos Santos will compete as the co main event at GSP v KOS
I just consulted my crystal ball…..hope this won’t effect the PPV
:)
Yeah...Cain should start training for JDS now
I can totally see the UFC giving Brock $$$ Lesnar an instant rematch even if he gets KTFO.
No Cain is next for the winner either way
After thsi either way the winner and loser wins their next two to three fights and we will see Carwin vs Brock 2.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Maybe so Puck
But I think the same will apply here as did with BJ and Frankie
by Clive Barnes on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No Brock has not won 10 in a row. Brock wins he gets Cain.
Brock loses he gets NOG or loser of JDS and Roy. Carwin and Cain were already set up before and will be a good story if Carwin happens to win
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No I don't think so.
He’s not BJ Penn, it’s not like he has been ruling the HW division for years. An instant rematch would be stupid in this situation. I would think/want Brock to fight some other contender before a rematch.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Wait a minute....
Brock hasn’t been ruling the HW division for years. Man the way Brock excusers talk you wouldn’t think this is his first title defense since it was truly unified.
" I would think/want Brock to fight some other contender before a rematch."
So wait, if Fedor wants to fight someone other than the UFC champ he’s a pussy, but if Brock wants a contender fight (Struve perhaps) then that’s fine….OKAAAAAAY.
woah! my feelings...
your post doesn’t make any sense.
If Fedor doesn’t fight for a championship belt, but is in the same promotion, i find that ridiculous.
Brock losing the belt and not getting an instant rematch is fine. He’s got a tiny record and he doesn’t need to fight someone as low as Struve…give him JDS or Cain or Mir again if he loses.
Also your mother’s a whore.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPECIALLY
when you’re promotion is touting you as the greatest HW in history…but you’re not the champ? vat?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because championships in MMA
Yeah, because championships in MMA are decided by a tourney…oh wait they aren’t. Fedor will get his turn. Even he doesn’t egt bumped up the way Brock did.
Overeem wasn’t available for the first fight Fedor had in Strikeforce. And Overeem had already scheduled with Rogers when Fedor was available (contract BS). Lesnar didn’t earn his shot and hasn’t faced anyone of merit. Herring is born to lose fights, Randy is having his hands full with Vera now, and Brock only has a split with Mir. So why is Dana saying Brock is the best HW in the world….ridiculous.
What I was going on about is that Brocksuckers always rip on Fedor for not fighting the top guy always. Yet, if Brock get KTFO, then they are content with Brock getting a tune up fight against a supposed softball opponent. Nog is beatable at this stage in his career by EVERY HW in the division, Mir, puh-lease….over rated, and JDS /Cain will be too busy with their title shots. So Brock will be facing some chump but that’s okay, the Brocksuckers will be too busy complaining about Fedor fighting ANOTHER top 10 opponent.
And whatever the outcome, I can totally see the UFC giving thier cash cow an instant rematch…even though it is technically his first real title defense.
Yes, that's how it used to be...
But football isn’t played with leather helmets anymore either. If Body Triangle wants to rip on Fedor for not being champ then I can call BS on the UFC for placing Brock into a title against the path of least resistance. Then the UFc goes and claims that Brock is the best in the world…even though he really hasn’t defended his title once….NOT ONCE. I love Brocksucker logic.
SD....
the only thing I dont like about all this is saying Brock had the path of least resistance. What would you have done with Brock if you were Zuffa/UFC/Dana/Joe Silva
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is when Brock got his shot
Mir and NOG were locked into a interm title before brock and Randy signed and Brock beat a UFC veteran that was coming off a victory over a hyped up KOngo who beat a overrated CC. There was nno one else to pick the UFC HW division was thin even JDS with a win over Werdum didn’t want anything to do with the titltle becasue his partner NOG was in the hunt for it. So if your going to say someone deserved a shot more take out Mir, NOG and JDS and tell me who deserved it more at the time?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So why not have Randy wait
You know like every other time a champ returns from a layoff. Doesn’t he normally fight the interim champ first. I am surprised they are having Brock fight Carwin right away instead of giving him a softball opponent.
I dont know...
Maybe try to protect the integrity of the sport by not having a celebrity (from WWE) gat walked to a title shot against a ring rusted old fighter who had previously left the division because he was outsized. Sorry that was the easiest title shot for someone like Brock that would ever be possible.
Ring rust? Thats opinion Randy is well known for how hard he trains the chances of him getting ring rust are very slim.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Peaple that are off after a long time off it happens
But guys that train as hard as they fight are much less likely of getting it. Ring rust has little to do with his loss something only Brockhaters seem to bring up?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You make it too easy Puck...
Randy vs GG – 8/25/2007
Randy’s next fight vs Brock 11/15/2008
Over a year between fights seems like a long time to me. Especially when he was ACTING…not training like you claim. I ‘m sure he hit a gym on the odd day or two but he wasn’t in camp for 15 months.
Sorry dude, ring rust.
I Actually Disagree From the Word
Of Randy and His Camp He Had A Very Good Camp For Brock. And Besides That Randy Man Handled The Larger Gonzaga and Tim. So For You To Say A Guy Who Was Outsized For The Division Its a Bit Unfair
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you seriously got to stop typing like that
i can’t take you seriously.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Except
“And Besides That Randy Man Handled The Larger Gonzaga and Tim. So For You To Say A Guy Who Was Outsized For The Division”
Except that Randy had left the division before becuase he was outsized, and that’s why he is at 205 now….his words.
Yeah But Its Not Like He Didnt Find Success At HW
Before Brock he beats much larger guys Gonzaga and Tim and after at HW he has a great fight with Nog. Sure he went down to LHW and also found success but its not like he was horrible at HW
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So your saying striker that Brock is going to be ring rusted no matter what?
Remember you stated it and if a ring rust brock can beat Carwin!! WOW But I truely believe Brock will not have ring rust as a believe Randy never had it either.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Randy should never be used as an example as how another fighter would fare
he is, simply put, a freakin’ anomaly.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember SD, Randy was training that whole time trying to get a fight with Fedor.
I’m pretty sure he was in the gym more than once a week.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
“Remember SD, Randy was training that whole time trying to get a fight with Fedor.”
No he wasn’t …he was acting in The Expendables.
well no...
he was doing that, but he was also training like a madman for Fedor. He said it himself, and that’s one of the reasons he left the UFC.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
“So your saying striker that Brock is going to be ring rusted no matter what?”
Maybe…I suspect it might be a problem. Although being that he has only had 4 fight, he was never really an oiled machine.
Anyway, I know ring rust will be the reason why Brock loses….not a shot to the head or anything. It will give the Brocksuckers something to whine about.
I wasnt disagreeing with your message I was just saying tournaments in MMA for championships did and do exist.
Sure...
But he was complaining that Fedor wasn’t champ. It’s not on a schedule or anything. Fedor will get his shot in due time.
If they can come to terms with Overeem. It's no guarantee.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i still can't understand what you're saying
Do you like Brock? Do you hate Brock? Do you like Fedor?
That’s the exact opposite of what I’m saying, I’m not ripping on Fedor in the least. I find it silly that he’s the best in the division and doesn’t have a belt around his waist. He’s the TIME-TESTED best as well. I don’t know how much it has to do with Fedor himself that he doesn’t have the belt, just strikeforce.
Again- not ripping Fedor. But why would brock get a rematch right away with a knockout? just doesn’t make sense. And a “Tune-up” fight is not the same as a contender fight. I’m advocating a contender fight, much like Kongo fighting Mir.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it matter if I like Brock or Fedor...
my statements are accurate either way. Mania posters have disease of trying to discredit everybody that they disagree with based on who they like, not what they are saying.
“But why would brock get a rematch right away with a knockout?”
I know it wouldn’t make sense. But I can see the UFC wanting their cash cow to have another title shot asap.
“And a "Tune-up" fight is not the same as a contender fight. I’m advocating a contender fight, "
As would I…but somehow the UFC would give Brock the biggest softball opponent and serve him up right over the plate for Brock. Different rules the brockness.
Ahh
so we agree. but if you re-read your original and subsequent post, your intentions are muddled in circuitous logic.
Don’t know where tournaments were brought up…but. People rip on Fedor for not fighting the top guys because he HASN’T FUCKING LOST.
When Fedor loses, let him take a “Contender fight”. When Brock loses, let him take a “Contender fight”. Its fucking ridiculous fedor is not fighting the top guys…he’s leaving questions unanswered.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So i understand
why people rip on Fedor. He should be fighting the best of the best, and he settles for fringe-top 10. That will of course change when he fights Alistair but, until then, the point stands.
(When he fought big Tim, timmy was a top dog, and I’ll give him that. Although he came in way out of shape…)
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
AA was ranked #2 right before that fight.
Barnett was ranked #2 when they signed. Not Fedor’s fault it didn’t happen.
Rogers was # 8
Werdum is #9
Overeem will be top 5.
Name anther fighter who was scheduled to fight fighters ranked #5, #2, #2, #8, #9, and #5…ever. It hasn’t happened.
Fedor fights the best he can get.
Besides, it’s up to the UFC guys to prove they are up to his standard…not the other way around.
We All Know Rankings Are Horrible
AA was not the second best HW in the world. Nor was Barnett. Rogers barely deserved a spot near the top 10. Werdum is a top 10 guy sure.
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I would Agree
but really I hate rankings entirely
by AintNoSunshine on Jun 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor doesn't have to prove anything
He’s proved it. So why is he fighting mediocre competition? Woah, he beat another low-ranked dude he was supposed to…surprise.
All of those rankings are legit, and I hate ret-conning losses/wins, so I won’t get into how AA/Tim were on the beginnings of the downward slopes of their careers, but seriously- would you ever see Brock Lesnar fighting Antonio Silva. Would anyone think that would be competitive?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
last two fights after wedum:
#8/#9.
How is it he’s moving down in competition? Aren’t you supposed to move up the ladder?
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
- should be fighting top five, there isn’t a fighter he has fought that is right NOW a top five and AA was never a top five he was just M1 hyped up to #2 you can’t pass fighters that never lost adn were at #2 and 3 before and should never be ahead of a guy that beat you twice in a row and only lost to the #1 since? Now Overeem would be interesting fight I don’t know if he’s top five Rogers with no strength advantage looked like a fighter with zero background in any MMA style? Ohh yeah thats right rogers has little MMA background he jsut beat the overhyped AA?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Puck...with all respect....That's the dumb opinion.
In fact, of the top five right now….
1) Fedor
2) Brock
3) Cain
4) Carwin
5) JDS
…there isn’t a single fighter that has fought a fighter that is CURRENTLY ranked in the top 5. Not one. I guess Fedor is held to a higher standard than the rest of the universe. Part of being #1 I guess.
So my question is Puck, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? If nobody is fighting a top 5 ranked opponent while they are ranked in the top 5, why should Fedor and Fedor alone be required to take less money in order to do something that no other fighter is doing. In fact Fedor has agreed to fight 3 top 5 ranked opponents in the last two years. There have been only 2 other fights between two top 5 ranked fighters during that time.
Keep pretending that Fedor isn’t doing more than EVERY other HW.
And guess what, if Brock were to beat Carwin (LOL) then Carwin will be out of the top 5 the next day…so by your way of looking at it, Brock will still not have beaten anybody currently ranked in the top 5 on July 4. You can only judge the oppoents of fighters n the day that they fight. It’s not Fedor’s fault that Sylvia and AA haven’t been the same since he KTFO of them…oh, wait, maybe it is.
you can’t pass fighters that never lost
Sure you can…AA had WON 5 in a row. Including one over Big Country who JDS is fighting next. I guess it is okay for UFC HW’s to fight guys like Big Country in order to get a title fight but it’s not okay for AA. Try again Puck.
I'll try
Every single one of those fighters fought a top 5 contender, with the exception of JDS. They all fought a top 5-er, subsequently bumping them from the top 5.
I still think its stilly that the number 1 ranked heavyweight is not CURRENTLY fighting top 5 competition. Dude, he’s taking steps down in competition…not up…and i don’t see any other reasoning to refute that.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And they're all about to fight each other!
I mean jesus- Brock vs Carwin, Cain vs winner, JDS vs winner of that if he beats Big Country in spectacular fashion (don’t know if he will).
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
Over the last two years, Fedor is the ONLY top 5 ranked fighter to be scheduled to fight 3 top 5 ranked opponents.
It’s not Fedors’ fault that he has beaten all of the top 5 ranked opponents that are available to him. As soon as one becomes available, we will be fighting the highest possible.
“And they’re all about to fight each other!”
But you don’t get to give them credit for fights that haven’t taken place. Once all those fights take place, THEN come see me to discuss the ranking and what Fedor is up to.
I see what you're saying
And you have a valid point. But when you’re the consensus #1 ranked fighter for 8 years, and you start fighting lesser competition, then IMHO, you need to be constantly fighting the best, which he is not. The “Whoevers available” excuse seems silly, as he’s fighting in a lesser promotion. The UFC was going to be paying him top dollar to come fight, would have allowed him in Sambo competitions, but M-1 wouldn’t have any of it without co-promotion, which, if they knew anything about (and I’m sure they do) the UFC’s business model, this wouldn’t have been a possibility. They negotiated knowing that.
Therefore, I say, M-1 may be protecting Fedor from certain UFC fighters. I won’t name names, but the other top heavyweights in the UFC pose a much greater (albeit they’d probably still be underdogs) threat to Fedor’s legacy then anyone outside of the UFC.
phew.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
“he’s fighting in a lesser promotion.”
But that lesser promotion is paying him more.
“They negotiated knowing that.”
Please, are you trying to say they put an offer on the table knowing that the UFC wouldn’t except? Really? You don;t seem to know much about business or money then. You don’t waste time like that…or ask for money that you hope you aren’t going to get. LMFAO.
jesus christ
Its called high-balling man. You ask for something ridiculous, you might just get it, and hope they offer you something a little higher than they would have because of it.
You sure do look super smart using LMFAO though, I got uberpwnd omglawl.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
and they're not paying him more
The UFC offered him much more, but Co-promotion ended up being the deal-breaker.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In the end we will see if Brock should be #2
Right now Brock is #1 in the UFC if he loses to Carwin he’ll drop to #4 and have to work his way back up. The point is AA was never a number 2 and it was proven. We have yet to see if the same goes for Brock. One loss won’t 100% prove it over time that he wasn’t deserving but if he had the same result as AA losing to non top ten fighters then you would be right about him not being #2 ever. And some out there believe he’s been lucky with his match ups, so we will see. Rankings are just opinions anyway thats why I like the uFC we will see the best possible match-ups regardless and right now Brock is on top with 3 deadly opponents after his belt!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Using your rankings..
You need to include Brock and give him some credit then. He fought Randy, ranked in the top 5 and a title holder at the time. He then fought Mir, considered top 5 at the time. Now he will fight Carwin. You cannot argue they weren’t ranked top 5 because they certainly were at the time prior to Brock pushing them back in the rankings. By your own criteria, Dave, Brock is equal to Fedor.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 22, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
HW division was thin. No comparison between Fedor and Borck. Borck did a god job of beating who ever was available but their resumes are not comparable at all.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I was in no way trying to compare their resumes. Fedor stands on its own.
My comment appeared at the bottom rather than next to what I was commenting on. It was in reply to Striker’s saying in the last TWO years Fedor is the only top five fighter and schedule three top 5 guys. By his own standards, that is false and I was seeing if he would acknowledge some credit to Brock. I completely understand the several levels of hate that surround Brock. That is fine if Striker wants to hate on from sun up till sundown. But liking or disliking a fighter is just an opinion (not statistical) and that is why it is fun to have the ABM and the Pain train.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 24, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Overeem wasn’t available for the first fight Fedor had in Strikeforce. And Overeem had already scheduled with Rogers when Fedor was available (contract BS).
That statement is wrong striker. Overeem’s management and M1 couldn’t come to terms. They tried to make that fight happen before Rogers and Overeem ever happened. After this fight there is no guarantee Overeem and Fedor will fight unless bot h parties agree on terms.
Couture and Werdum would be awsome match!! But as far as Fedor or Brock against either not really but I guess we have to watch whoever M1 can come to terms with. It’s not only Brocksuckers complaining, who doesn’t want to see the undefeated legend fight the consensus best? Anything else proves nothing as far as being the being the best now. In SF all there is really is Overeem that is worthy of #1 status. Werdum just proves he can beat a good fighter.
Now with saying that in the end what 90% of the suppose Fedor nut huggers and Brocksuckers debate about is who would win NOW. And no matter how you state it there is only one way of proving it and thats them fighting eachother. So it comes down to why can’t they agree and Fedorbators blame the UFC, Brocksuckers either blame M1 or Fedor. Debate all you want what happened 6 years ago proves nothing now. All I know for sure the next three UFC HW title defences will be awsome and something any fan will love to watch. To bad Fedor couldn’t be in the mix I know Overeem is interested in coming over and facing the UFC HW’s maybe we will see a Overem vs Brock instead of a Fedor and Overeem?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Wrong...
Overeem was injured from a bar fight. So they went to Rogers for Fedor’s first fight.
“And no matter how you state it there is only one way of proving it and thats them fighting eachother.”
This part is 1005 perfect, puck.
yeah but he still fought at K-1 dynamite
with that broken hand. He’s not ducking Fedor but he is pulling one over on Strikeforce
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying he was ducking anyone...
But that is the reason SF gave fr not having Fedor fight zOvereem his first fight.
No Overeem stated before hsi Rogers signing that they couldn't come to terms
I can go back and look for it later and post it here if you don’t believe me. The were talking but couldn’t come to terms regardless of the bar fight becasue Overeem was ready to fight in May when Fedor was suppose to as well and it wasn’t Fedor in the bar fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Before
Overeem and Rogers yes, it was contract BS, but When Fedor fought Rogers, Overeem was listed as injured.
Yeah Overeem was also in K1 during that time
I know that but the statement that Overeem and M1 made both stated they could not come to terms in making a Fedor vs. Overeem fight happen wich was part of there contract BS.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fedor controls his own destiny
I don’t believe for a second that M-1 leads him by the nose in any way.
hes M-1's puppet
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt say he wasnt
i agree, he is, how can he not be…..
Hes fought the best there was to offer his entire career. Theres always someone new, some great up n comer but hes fought the best there was to offer (legends) his entire career. Everyone wants to see the great lose.
Does he need to fight guys like Lesnar and Overeem now? Sure….. but his legacy is cemented regardless.
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He leaves all the business to M1 and he does the fighting
Of coarse he will have some say but if M1 prefers to go this way Fedor will go that way. I believe M1 is the reason Fedor will never be in the UFC and may be the reason we never see Fedor vs. Overeem.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Okay...
What makes you think that?
Intuition?
A guess?
Hopes, dreams?
Any evidence D_Smith?
He says that M1 makes all of his decisions.
nah
they probably do, at least to a certain extent
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it just seems weird to be that someone would so unilaterally trust a company
and never question or have his own thought process. At the end of the day Fedor is responsible for his own decisions not M-1. His decision to ‘let’ M-1 decision everything is still his decision. If you are over 18 you have to own that. Period.
totally agree
but you’re coming from a very different, Western mentality. Not all cultures think like that. I won’t get into Japanese Zaibatsus or the Arabic calafat, but its a similar circumstance.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrealsies
But some people say “I’ll just do my work and let my management take the big responsibilities”.
also:
“I’ll just do my work and let God take on the big responsibilities”
Hilarious on both accounts.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
*sssiiiiggghhhh*
"I’ll just do my work and let God take on the big responsibilities"
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
i personally love when fighters win and then get down and pray and thank their deity, typically the christian one. Thanks Jesus for letting me pound this guy’s skull in.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol when they give the traditional oscar winner speech
we best stop while ahead. the shit gates on this topic have the potential to be monumental
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A for effort F for effect
them comment orders getchya everytime
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
“i personally love when fighters win and then get down and pray and thank their deity,”
Yeah, you never hear someone say, " I was doing great until Jesus made me drop my guard and I go KO’d." Jesus only makes cagefighters win, but he is not there when they lose. LOL.
by StrikerDave on Jun 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never said it was Fedors fault
It’s M1’s and Overeems management that couldn’t come to terms. They had almost an identical probelm that the Pac Man A Mayweather fight were M1 wanted to have their own drug testers test Overeem X amount of times before they would sign a fight with Overeem.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I was just answering your questions?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sorry sd but that’s the lamest shit I’ve heard since junior high (97-98). Your momma? Did doc brown just take me back 12 fucking years???
by LOKIE on Jun 21, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it was childish but I still laughed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Mission accomplished.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
laissez competent.
Home alone all ova ya bitchass
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Learned something to today...
I had never seen “je nais se quoi” spelled out. I have used it many times (when talking to chicks) but never seen it spelled out. I never took French.
On a side note, as an American, I have no problem with the French. The invented kissing with the tongue, fucking in the afternoon, and lingerie…if they want to sit out our unjust war, I am cool with that , just keep making shit sexier.
Tell their chefs to get busy too. I want some more sauces.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
What other kind of sauces do you have in mind? ‘Cuz if it’s just another mayonaise, I’m out.
And just for accuracy’s sake, it is “je ne sais quoi”.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 22, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin is a tough dude to fight coming off such a long layoff plus surgery...
Carwin by TKO rd 2. I think Brock will be the first to survive round 1.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
He didn’t have surgery. He cured himself with his mind because he is just that awesome.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
That's a powerful dinosaur brain, PW.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
he graduated last of his class of 54
mind curing ailments comes natural
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Boring fight?
Am I the only one who thinks this fight could end up being pretty boring? It could end up a wrestling match. I just think every fight that gets overhyped comes up way short. It happens all the time with the UFC and the cards that they don’t hype are the best cards they show. I am excited about this fight but trying to resist getting to excited because everytime I get my hopes up for a fight I am greatly disappointed. I am not really pulling for one over the other I think its a great matchup but they can cancel each other out pretty quick. We will see.
It could end in the first three minutes but as far as being boring no.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
agreed, niether brock or carwin have ever had a boring fight.
the threat of instant ko will hang in the air during the entire fight.
by Conan the Barbarian on Jun 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin is not talking smack
because he doesn’t want to piss off Brock. He knows he has his hands full. We’ll see his GNP defense for the first time.
ten seconds and its over
Lesnar bull rushes right at the start . Carwin circles,E.Honda’s brock’s face with 12 punches. Brock falls asleep and the old leather purse that is married to Lesnar, runs right to carwin makes out with him and says I only fuck winners!!lmao
RIP - SHO'NUFF SHOGUN OF HARLEM "I got something real for yo ass in these hands right here" FN CLASSIC
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on Jun 21, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
i laughed!!!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Although Brock has fought unquestionably great fighters
I think you do have to consider who they were: Randy Couture and Frank Mir, twice. Couture was way too small to fight Brock, and this is evident in the fact that he’s a light heavyweight now. Frank Mir is a very skillful heavyweight, and although Lesnar did own him quite convincingly, so did Carwin; Lesnar has also lost to Mir on one occasion. In my humble opinion, Brock hasn’t fought anyone as good as him yet, or as powerful, and this stops with Shane Carwin, who I believe deep down is a more dedicated, traditional fighter than Brock. Im taking Carwin first round KO, no joke.
same prediction
throwing money down on these lines as well!
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Frank Mir is a small heavyweight as well. Carwin’s conditioning could help him out in this one if Brock tries to wrestle. Training in the mountains of Colorado has it’s advantages.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Im a Pain Train Brock fan
But i think Carwin just has more ways to win.
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Just hoping he doesn't find one of those ways.
Fingers crossed!
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Why do people keep saying that? Because he RNC’ed a couple guys who were on the verge of unconsciousness already? It’s not like he has high-level jits and is going to threaten with an arm bar or triangle from full guard or a head-and-arm choke from the top. He punches hard. That’s it.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
LOL. Look who's talking?! Did Borck morph into a multi-dimensional striker/BJJ fighter when we weren't looking? O_o
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
There is no secret to what Brock is going to do, but good luck trying to stop it. I’m asking exactly what other ways Carwin has to win that Brock doesn’t.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Ok, that's fair. Honestly, it looks like Carwin has better stand up. Other than that, you are right.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i would love to see Brock throw on an armbar
id tap before my arm straightened
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell yeah I dont think I would want either Carwin or Brock to even attempt to wrench on my arm. Could you imagine Brock or Carwin putting a kimura on you?
i don't even want to begin to imagine that
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Mir was cutting to 265 when he fought Brock the second time.
I wouldn’t call that a small HW.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
True, but he’s not Carwin/Lesnar big. Hell, he thinks he can make 205.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
AND THE NEW HEAVWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!!!!!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
he calls it like he sees it
He’s a whale biologist!
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You just said all that needs to be said there Champ.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
A whale biologist?
Is that a way of implying he likes to roll around with and impregnate big ’uns?
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock's "miraculous recovery"
I get the feeling that Shane doesn’t believe that Brock was actually sick at all. I tend to agree with him. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that this was simply a complete lie in order to buy Brock some training time for his fight against Carwin. If anyone thinks that this could NEVER happen……you have much to learn about how big business really works.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
It does seem fishy that he just so happened to be in Canada when this all went down. Didn’t he also have the ‘surgery’ there? Maybe he wanted a break and that was just a good story to keep his hype going?
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock was in the US when it went down. They diagnosed him with Mono, told him to go hunting at his cottage in Canada and relax.
He got worse when he was here instead of better, so he went to a Canadian hospital-they said he had Diverticulitis(whatever) and would give him the surgery for free. He said no he wanted another opinion. That is when the American doctors finally got it right…..
Canada 1 US -1
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Haha, that’s right. Then he shit all over Canadian health care, something about “Third World treatments”. Ah, the brilliance of Brock Lesnar.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
but he is probably the biggest
so all the other tools do what he says.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That is correct.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
No arguments here. He is a big tool.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jun 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yes the conspiracy theory's have come to pass.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
All of you Brock fans save some extra money back this month.
You’ll need it to buy the “money in the bank” PPV that the WWE is having next month after Brock gets KOed and you go running back.
no brock will just fight batista and booby lashley. lol.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
im basically just posting to get this thread over 500 replies
cause its already understood that the brockness monster will surface and eat shane’s soul then return to the murky darkness only to resurface to feast upon cain
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...
500th!
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...
being "1st" is lame..but being 500th is the shit..
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...
Moved
i say handy cuz its funny
also- tambem eu posso falar portugues, so its even better. What did handy say when they interviewed him about the fight? How did Brock hit him in the back of the head standing in front of him? But again either way i don’t care, thats not part of my argument.
My mistake on the quotes, way too lazy to scroll up and re-read the bullshit you were typing. And that’s the second quote, the first quote was:
Never said it did…
But…the lack of a record does take you out of the running as a legit opponent.
So again, that first one doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, seeing as i said that a big record doesn’t mean you’re automatically a legit opponent, TACITLY implying that having a smaller record does make you a good opponent. Its not hard- you just make very little sense.
Then you go on to make arguments about strength of record, what earns you a title shot, etc., never once settling on what may earn you a title shot. You then skirt around JOHN FITCH who took 8 fights to earn a title shot, and then defeated 4 top contenders and now must defeat another for a title shot.
Again- did Anderson earn his title shot from a KO of Leben? Did Maia by beating Miller? Did Chael by beating Nate Marquardt (after a loss to DAMIAN MAIA?) Did Shogun earn his title shot by koing chuck and weakly beating Coleman?
Dude, I can go on for days.
Body triangle
“Dude, I can go on for days”
Trust me you will have to. StrikerDave loves to argue/debate. You will get nowhere and it really isn’t worth it.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Definitely not saying Dave isn't worth it. But there is no end to a discussion with him.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
haha yeah i see that
Actually I was enjoying the debate, and no disrespect meant towards strikerdave- like i said, i can talk this shit all day.
Would you say this is a…classic striker vs. grappler battle?
by Body Triangle on Jun 22, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
"miracle recovery"
Is Carwin insinuating that Brock faked being sick so he wouldn’t have to fight him?? That is sad. Hopefully Carwin will be able to “recover” from the destruction that awaits him July 3rd.
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