Chuck Liddell retirement is still in the evaluation phase
by MMAmania.com on Jun 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, the "Iceman" still feels he's got something left in the tank ... maybe:
"I’m still working on evaluating. I thought I did great before I was caught. I have to look at it some more and think about it. I think I looked good and I definitely was in great shape. I could have kept that pace up for another four rounds, without a doubt.... It’s hard to beat that [aggressiveness] out of me, because that’s who I am and that’s who I’ve been for a long, long time. People like watching me because of the way I fight, so it’s hard to get me not to fight that way. There’s a lot still to think about. I felt pretty good and I think showed I can compete. I’m not going to rush and I’ll do what I think is best. I’m just not at a point to make that decision yet."
Three straight knockout losses. Dropped five of his last six fights. 40 years old. Head trainer and best friend (who also happens to be his boss, Dana White) both want him to hang up the gloves. Is there really a lot more to think about for the UFC Hall of Famer?
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will never happen
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He would DEFINATLEY never go
If it came down to the UFC gives Chuck another fight or Chuck goes to SF; then he’ll be on another UFC card again.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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the iceman’s ufc for life, no doubt… strikeforce would never make cent off chuck liddell..
he wont retire, he’ll fight tito…
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting Tito would be for 1 last pay day and to look good in a victory. The question is : who would pay for that fight after watching Chuck get KO'ed and Tito's pattern of excuses?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
itd still sell forsure
i dont want to see it tho
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I love watching Tito lose
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I find it hard to believe that people would pay 40 bucks to see that fight after what has happened with both fighters. Especially as a main event!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
~
it would still sell, and i would buy it, but thats only cause i watch every card live no matter what the main event is.
.. do i think its a good main event? hell no, i dont even think it should be co-main, but that just me.. i know some people out there will still want to watch arguably the two most popular mma fighter known… personally i was very happy tito pulled out, i much rathered iceman/franklin over tito/chuck3..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The casuals aren't mugs
No amount of lies/promoting from Dana, Chuck and Tito could convince people to pay full price to see either of them fight again period nevermind against each other.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jun 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think both Chuck and Tito have lost it, they aren’t as appealing as they once were even to the casual fan. They are both living off of their names and history in the UFC. It’s time to let go!
Chuck looked terrible in this fight with Franklin! because if u can’t defend yourself it doesn’t matter how good u do offensively.
USA FTW !!! I witnessed a robbery today, african refs blow.
he was almost as terrible as england and italy in the world cup.
USA FTW !!! I witnessed a robbery today, african refs blow.
Dana can sell ice to eskimos
He can sure as hell sell Tito-Chuck 3 if he decides to.
It’s alot easier to sell off a fighters popularity, than his talents. Usually they go hand in hand.
I think they would put this as a co-main event, or just on the main card. People will tune in. Just like people will tune in to watch Tyson-Holyfield 3, if it happens.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL AGAIN!
Again…
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he's a grown man and if wants to keep doing there's nothing for us to do but accept it
I personally wouldn’t give Tito the chance to get the final word given the state of Chuck’s chin. He’ll have to accept that being ko’d by Tito is a very real possibility at this point. Sad but true.
Yes, that's what I think too
I mean, strikeforce would gladly take him and give him an instant title shot (which I think he could beat King Mo IMO). But going to Strikeforce would probably be the worst move of his career.
~
strikeforce would ‘gladly take’ any fighter with a name..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably where Kimbo would end up.
But if I was running an organization I’d take Chuck just saying.
chuck would beat lawal?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Riiight.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That fight wouldn't even be deemed competetive enough to clear
Mos a tough opponent for anyone, he could do irrepairable damage to Chucks health.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jun 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what makes me think he wouldn't?
Compare the last 3-4 outings from each, and then come back and try to ask me that question again with a straight face.
David’s right. It would end the same as all Chuck’s last half dozen fights; with us feeling bad for and his health.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least Chuck would make it to a decision against Lawal.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
?????
Mousasi??
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
2 decision 5 (T)KO's
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
lol ya, i dunno what he's saying there
From the sorta double negatives, I can’t even tell if he’s supporting or opposing my opinion.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes I've watched his last 3-4 outings
And almost every single person that beat him became the UFC lightheaveyweight champion. So you’re saying that because Chuck was KO’d against champions that he’s a bad fighter?
Second, what could King Mo do to stop Chuck. Even if Mo took Chuck down Chuck would just stand back up. That just leaves hands and I think Chuck would win that hands down.
Chuck isn't as good a wrestler as Mo, is slower, drops his hands and can't take a punch anymore
If you’re getting one punch KO’d by Rich Franklin then your chin is gone or you have no defence (Nate Quarry). Mo is a top young fighter, Chuck was the man but has nothing left, it’d be a disgrace if SF or any other promotion allowed that fight to happen. Then again the Japanese allowed Mo to fight Kerr so anything goes over there.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
Chuck isn't as good a wrestler as Mo is true but
It’s not like Mo is some fantastic fighter. Chuck’s a good enough grappler that even if he gets takin’ down he’ll stand right back up. Yeah he’s ko’d and tko’d people before but who were they?
And as far as Chuck’s chin goes 1)he was Ko’d by a former champion that’s still in the mix (somehow) 2) Chuck was goi’n down while Franklin was going up. Same thing that just happened with manny gamburyan and mike brown. And the thing with Franklin and Lidell is they’re bigger people so they naturally have more power.
Now, Chuck’s chin isn’t the same and he’d be risking his health if he fought against whoever, no question in that. But King Mo isn’t Rich Franklin (at least on the feet) and I don’t think he could do the things Franklin was doing/did to Chuck, at least not yet anyways. My point is Chuck would win KO/TKO second rond.
Mo is just the sort of fighter that chuck would make look like a fool
the only reason he seemed like such an unbeatable champ for the time he was was because they kept feeding him grapplers. If chuck can neutralize and knock out Randy, why wouldnt he do the same to any other guy. Chucks weakness is young crisp strikers IMRO
by snipersniper on Jun 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
those randy fights were long ago man
Too long ago to serve relevant. Also one of them was on a couture slip which doesn’t help your case. In closing;
Chuck would get annihilated by Lawal
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to respectfully disagree. I think Chuck is basically the same fighter he was then
I know lots will disagree with this, but the difference is I never really thought he was better then he is now. Always seemed like there was a healthy dose of hype and good matchups for his style when he was on top. I say at least give him a farewell fight with Wandy
by snipersniper on Jun 21, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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of course, any org would love to promote chuck through their banner.. the thing is chuck and dana are best friends and i highly doubt chuck would even answer the phone if scott coker was calling.. chuck is ufc for life..
i do agree though, SF would sign liddell in a heartbeat..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
nope...and its laughable that people STILL say that stuff...they didnt take Kimbo Slice...
Fav 6 Fighters:Spider Silva,Mayhem,Jon Jones,Aoki,KJ Noons/King Mo
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
DW claims to have a personal relationship with Chuck. Kimbo was a business move to draw in his youtube fans.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
~
dana white stuck a huge dildo in the ass of kimbos career…
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
with NO lube
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Its more like DW gave Kimbo a 2nd chance at MMA life. Seth stuck the dildo up Kimbo's career.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
~
the dildo seth used wasn’t even half the size of danas..
dana used kimbo like a cheap hooker, then kicked that ho to the curb with nothing,,
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was Scumbag Shaw and Scumbag Jr. that really dildoed Kimbo. They started with a small inflatable dildo and pumped it up until people thought it was the greatest dildo that had ever been. The Seth came along and popped that dildo in front of everyone, leaving Kimbo’s exploded rectum all over the cage.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
by P-Dub on Jun 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
LMFAO! perfect ill actually rec this comment for its accuracy
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet!
I want a green comment, BE style.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
they green every other comment over there! ive seen it here what once?
not to mention those bastards rec the dumbest fan posts daily! last time i was there i think all but one had more recs than comments (rarely happens here if ever). plus it only takes 3, here 5.
Mania is definitely the better " E-Gang "
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bloody Elbow the "other" MMA site
know your enemy man (;
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the first and only gay MMA fan site full of gay keyboard warriors.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Go out with a win
I say they still do the Chuck Tito fight! Then retire
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
Tito sucks soooo bad
Coming off ANOTHER surgery and most likely ANOTHER long lay off; it’s all downhill for Tito.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell no; until Shoguns in his mid 30's he will never be as bad as Tito
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Shogan's amazing and all but I've seen it all too often of a fantastic athlete that just gets hurt over and over again.
But back on topic, I don’t think it’s over for tito but he’ll never be in the running again. I think he’d be a good gatekeeper though.
yea, his knees will never get good again.
cause it’s not even his own knees anymore. he’ll have to retire in his mid 30’s.
USA FTW !!! I witnessed a robbery today, african refs blow.
i'm taking tito over chuck for sure if they meet again
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure i would but that would be the only logic choice.
look at how they’ve done against top comp. Tito came out of all his fights relatively good and Chuck ended up being knocked out cold in every single one of them.
USA FTW !!! I witnessed a robbery today, african refs blow.
yep, chuck can only, perhaps, ko tito
With Chuck’s chin, Tito can rock him and get a sub, maybe get fight halted due to strikes, or simply work him over on the ground for 15.
I know ppl will say Chuck’s sprawl is too good for that to happen, but I haven’t seen his sprawl as necessary in long enough that we don’t know how well it will hold up.
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to see Tito get KTFO
but obviously Chuck’s not the same guy he was 3 years ago. He’s already finished Tito twice, why give Tito the small chance to have the last laugh? Let Tito torture himself over this for the rest of his life.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
sounds like what will happen...chuck doesnt sound like a guy retiring
Fav 6 Fighters:Spider Silva,Mayhem,Jon Jones,Aoki,KJ Noons/King Mo
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
wasnt that his last fight on UFC contract?
doubt Dana will give him another and i doubt (highly) that he’ll go anywhere else
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope he doesnt...for his own good...unless he somehow convinces fans that the tito fight is something dana cant refuse
Fav 6 Fighters:Spider Silva,Mayhem,Jon Jones,Aoki,KJ Noons/King Mo
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Well he's still got a ton of power
Breaking Rich’s forearm with that high kick is evidence enough; he was holding his own and scoring with some nice shots but I still didn’t see enough from Chuck to suggest he would be successful moving forward.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
is was a good clean shot on chuck moving forward
but how many more times do we want to see him dead on the mat? i dont want to see a mumbling stumbling chuck 5 years down the road. hes done.
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither, OD. Ace is not known for being a KO artist and look what happened. Chuck needs to start thinking about his health now.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Is this a serious question?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
eh?
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad post. My bad. Comp acting wacky.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Well I'll address it anyway "Is this a serious question?"
Well it’s got the word serious in it; and you threw a ? at the end of the sentence. I’m inclined to believe that yes it’s a serious question; from a serious man.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, fuckin' retire already. It's over! If not, fight me! I need a KO win badly!
by The5thBeatle on Jun 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The sad thing is it could only get worse
That’s enough concussions Chuck, it’s time to start thinking about your health; I don’t see Tito ever being able to beat Chuck even as much as his ability to take a punch has deteriorated Ortiz’s stand up is next to non existent. Watch the Forrest Griffin fight if you don’t buy that; Tito’s hands are god aweful. If he was to fight one more time, that would be the only one I’d suggest.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Also, it'd be bad for mma
One of mma’s biggest things is that no one is getting hurt or is going to turn into Muhammed (sp) Ali. Prepair for the flame wars if chuck starts having a mental illness.
chucks
chin is so weak. im afraid tito will catch him an ko him out. and how fucking horrible would that be.
Chuck is a legend but there is one thing that bothers me about him returning (besides his health I mean)
It’s that I think he partied away all of his skills. I think we’d still see a contender in Chuck iff he wasn’t out late every night boozing it up and most likely on some kind of drugs. Yes, I know he changed for one last fight but the fact reminds he should’ve seen this coming.
Hackleman and Dana need to intervene before Chuck gets himself killed
He should never be licensed to fight again, he can’t take a punch anymore and it’s gotten to the point where it’s not safe for Chuck to continue fighting. Nobody wants to see him fight again and no promoter should ever book him to fight again. Even an injury prone, cardio lacking, old, one dimensional mediocre wrestler Tito would be a dangerous opponent for Chuck.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
by David W-S on Jun 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
Can’t believe Chuck is even thinking he’s got anything left. Love ya but the games past you by, you’ll only lose more respect by carrying on getting KTFO’d….
Mental
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'd think he'd lose respet to idiots yes but
Even if he fought and lost by ko in 6 months and then retired, in a few years everyone would forget (cept trolls of course lol) and remeber who he was and what he did and just not mention the later years.
Disagree
I couldn’t respect a man whom against EVERYONES wishes continued to fight and continued to get KTFO’d. It’s not like he’s being beat by subs, decisions etc. He’s getting SERIOUS head trauma and being put to sleep with punches. Everytime.
I love Chuck, always have but when I read him saying he’s still not sure after all he’s been through in his last 6 fights I got to draw a line. How could you respect that? It’s plain stoopid. For him to actually think he’s ‘making another run for the title’ he’s deranged.
I respect what he’s achieved but can’t forget about his devastating loses either. Surely only an idiot would do that?
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he should retire. Why go out with a loss like that when there is a good chance he could go out with a win? If he lost again, big deal, he’s already hit a low point and so what? everybody can pat themselves on the back like self-satisfied snobs. So in that case, it wouldn’t ruin his reputation but to only the fickle so-called fans.
Besides, he lost because he’s KO hungry and consequently overcommits. Of course, his chin is weaker, but he lost because he overcommited and pretty much walked into the punch. The reason he lost is due more to his KO hungry style than his weakened chin.
He has lost to guys other fighters don’t even get the chance to fight. It’s a problem for him to solve. Why quit if you still feel the fire in your belly? He was doing well against Rich until he made a strategic mistake. He has to adapt to his current condition and fight smarter.
Fuck the critics, Chuck. Keep fighting.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Wrong attitude
Unfortunately it looks like Chuck is just as naive as you on the issue of retirement, at this point he could get himself killed or brain damaged if he fights again. Strategic mistakes or not, the fact that Chuck is a 40 year old man who has been knocked clean out in 4 of his last 6 fights, as well as a defeat to Jardine, says to me that he shouldn’t be fighting again unless he wants to risk being MMA’s Ali.
I <3 Dana White, the Ruler and Savior of the MMA World, and will serve his disciple, Synyster, faithfully to the end.
Health issues are a risk for all fighters.
at this point he could get himself killed or brain damaged if he fights again
Not at this point. At any point. This so-called naivete is not exclusive to me and Chuck. Bas Rutten, among others, feels the same way. I can’t think of the other guys interviewed at the moment because I’m too busy looking at porn. But there are many. And I agree with them.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this Jack
I think ANY fighter who gets put to sleep BAD 4 times in a row like Chuck should stop fighting. He may well feel he’s got the fire in his belly but it don’t mean he should be still fighting.
Michael Jordan probably still has the fire in his belly but he’s reitred cos he knows he can’t keep up with the younger guys anymore. At least he’s not looking like he’s been ran over by a truck….
Fighters are their own worst enemy, they fight because it’s their first and natural instinct. It makes them feel alive. I think Chucks decision is more based on a fear about not knowing ‘who’ he is without fighting.
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 20, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I suppose we'll have to
Of course, it’s not ridiculous of anyone to have the opinion that he should retire, it’s definitely a contentious issue, but his last three fights have been against current or former champions. He was winning the round against Rich and was hanging in there with Rashad.
Whether in his prime or not, my opinion is that he would lose to Shogun anyway because Shogun is a far better striker.
I think Chuck’s too comfortably embedded with Hackleman and his training staff. He’s their prize trophy, he trains hard but I reckon (just guessing) he does what he wants and is complacent in regard to his style and strategy. He needs to reprogram his mind not to be KO hungry and not to overcommit. And he needs trainers who realize this who instill this way of thinking into his mind. He lost to Rashad and Rich because they capitalized on this huge weakness. This hole in his game far outweighs his weakened chin.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
What f Tito Actually Beats him??
I think people forget that , thats a possibility, expecially with chucks weak chinn
i'm taking tito 100%
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no way
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yes way
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i said NO WAY damnit
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
shutup you
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL!
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And you people elected a president that talks to you like that??
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
DICTATOR WORBY!!
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
Shutup? Lol
*ABM*
Wor Wor binks was Star Worbs best character.
by daniel worby on Jun 21, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Id take Tito too
I think it was Jay Glazer, who said something really true after the Franklin KO: “at least Chuck didn’t wake up thinking, fuck I got knocked out by Tito.” The sad fact is, that after taking a certain amount of damage to the brain cells, muscle tissue, and bones in your head, they weaken dramatically and render themselves useless eventually- the greatest boxer in the world is mentally dead from getting punched so many times. Chuck is ten times more talented than Tito, no question, but he can’t take any major punches, which are bound to occur.
by theworldismine on Jun 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
his only real "talent" advantage is that he can punch harder.
and another advantage he’s had is that he’s avoided serious knee and back problems.
Tito is more talented on the ground and he is better defensively standing, only problem with his striking is that he’s so stiff in his upper body from his injuries so he can’t get any real power behind his punches.
USA FTW !!! I witnessed a robbery today, african refs blow.
Tito never had power in his punches, injuries had nothing to do with it.
Chuck also has better wrestling. He didn’t use it like Tito, but Tito could never take Chuck down. And Tito def has better def. Also Tito is great with his ground and pound! amazing how much damage he can do in full guard. This is coming from a Chuc hater and tito fan! Well, not a Tito fan anymore bc I can’t supoort someone who makes so many excuses. When he said that he had a broken face after the Forrst loss, I had enough! I felt embarrased for him and me as a fan! I don’t jump from being a fan and non fan, but he just makes it so damn hard! And Chuck should def retire. As much as I don’t like him, I still don’t want him to have perm damage, which may be too late!
Chuck...
will not fight agian. Dana won’t let him. Give Chuck some more time, I mean come on! Its been a week! Did we really expect him to throw in the towel that fast? He needs about more than one week to come to a retirement realization. This guy just spent 6 months getting in the best shape he’s been in over the last 5 or 6 years and fought really well, most likely winning the first round on the judge’s score cards prior to getting KTFO. He LOVES fighting is a multi-millionaire and still WANTS to fight. He’s not gonna make a retirement announcement after a week. Give him some time and he will realize his chin can’t take big shots anymore and he will retire. Let Chuck make the decision on his own.
Chuck doesn't need to go out with a win..
His performance before getting caught was great and to me, means more than fighting a Rashad Evans squeak a win by pushing a guy against the cage and scoring more take downs than ground strikes, any day! As a huge Chuck fan I do not ever want to see him KOed again.
Theres always another KO waiting for him out there.
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one." - Clint Eastwood.
Must've been pointing to the moon
His guess on where he would wake up if Chuck caught him with an uppercut.
"The other shape,
If shape it might be call'd, that shape had none,
Distinguishable in member, joint, or limb;
Or substance might be call'd that shadow seem'd;
For each seem'd either; black it stood as night,
Fierce as ten furies, terrible as Hell,
And shook a dreadful dart; what seem'd his head
The likeness of a kingly crown had on.
Satan was now at hand; and from his seat
The monster, moving onward, came as fast
With horrid strides; Hell trembled as he strode."
-- John Milton
by O damn he got caught on Jun 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
One of these days, Liddell
Bang! Zoom! Straight to the moon!
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
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