Matt Wiman thinks he would have eventually choked out Mac Danzig at UFC 115 ...
... even though referee Yves LaVigne made a big boo-boo and stopped it too early:
"No hard feelings to Yves LaVigne, but it was just one of those things where it turned out being a bad situation for everybody. When a fighter rolls over like that, and stops moving ... I talked to Mac and he said he was just going to coast and relax and chill out. In my mind, he was going out. I had so much energy, it was the first round, I could have squeezed forever. I just kept adjusting and adjusting. It's just unfortunate we can't be put back in that same precarious position. It's unfortunate for everybody. I wanted the vindication with the win.... I think it would have went the same way without the controversy if it would have just kept going. It's sad to see. I indicated to the ref that I thought he was out because I felt him stop fighting the choke. It was like a kid waiting for Christmas -- I couldn't wait to get off Mac and celebrate. I was almost going to start crying because I was so happy. And then I look up at the screen and see him contesting it.... So then I thought maybe it was a little premature.... It's just a weird deal, you know?"
A disappointed, and admittedly overzealous, Matt Wiman talks about what might have been if he was able to hang onto a tight guillotine choke that he put on Mac Danzig in their lightweight fight last night at UFC 115. "Handsome" had The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 6 winner all wrapped up and in deep trouble with lots of time remaining in the first round. Perhaps aware of this, Danzig positioned himself to try and ride out the storm, but in doing so, apparently gave Wiman and the referee the indication that he was on his way to La-La-Land. Instant replay, as well as Danzig's immediate reaction once the action was halted, proved otherwise. Unfortunately, once the call was made to stop the fight, there was no going back. Should an instant rematch be booked or should both fighters be allowed to move on with their careers, knowing that it may "have went the same way" even if it wasn't stopped when it was?
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Danzig... it's your fault for not using the patented thumbs up manuever
If he’d just flashed the ref the thumbs up, it would’ve been all good.
That’s right girl, let me whisper in your ear
Baby wake up, we’re naked and we’re humpin’ sexy
For the last fifteen minutes baby, that’s what’s been happen’
Yeah, too late now, it’s on.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 13, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
I agree, the ref grabbed his hand to check, it was quick, but a thumbs up would have been a good move
of course its easy to say that when you aren’t the one being choked, but….oh well
hmm
I just don’t know why Lavigne didn’t just circle to the other side of them. If he’d done that then there wouldn’t be any question over this.
Thought Mac was very dignified though, classy.
by can't spell anarchy on Jun 16, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen the fight yet...
..but what invariably happens to a fighter who’s caught in a tight guillotine that he can’t get out of, if he doesn’t tap?
by The real Philo on Jun 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see his point of view, but no, there was no way Mac was going out from that position. Wiman should have known that.
by can't spell anarchy on Jun 16, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit stoppage
No question.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Downright awful stoppage.
"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.
It was pretty bad,
but for half a second he did look like he went limp. Dana was right though, as soon as Matt said “he’s out” yves jumped in and stopped it and refs cant listen to the fighters. It was bs. Fight back though dude!
Where's Big John McCarthy when you need decent reffing....
by TheFriendlySponge on Jun 13, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
when mac danzig said yves laveines name at the start of his interview I was waiting for him to torch the ref but he was very respectful and even weent as far as saying it wasnt yves fault
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
Macs a good guy
Even when he was on TUF, he was respectful.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
MMA in Bizzarro World...
I didn’t understand what the ref was doing at first when he went around to Mac’s left because you could see Mac’s right arm flexing and changing color as he was pushing on Wiman’s hips… and I could swear that he was moving his legs as well.

"Donuts don't wear alligator shoes" - Black Dynamite
by Greenbeard on Jun 13, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL
That’s right girl, let me whisper in your ear
Baby wake up, we’re naked and we’re humpin’ sexy
For the last fifteen minutes baby, that’s what’s been happen’
Yeah, too late now, it’s on.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 13, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Improper technique
Wiman didn’t have a good guillotine… Ideally his arm should have been deeper in with the crook of the elbow down further along Mac’s jaw so his forearm could have come up the other side of Mac’s neck. Anatomically, Wiman has short arms which can make it tougher. The guys with longer arms can do the power guillotine.. reach through and grab your own bicep (ex. Kampmann).
If you look at the photo you can see that Matt is just giving Mac a face squeeze and I think Mac was just trying to let you think he had it so Matt would gas his arms. I’ve done this while rolling in BJJ.. tuck the chin, let the guy squeeze hard and he thinks he has you but you just relax, don’t tap, and then reverse it when he is gassed. The next day your neck and jaw are a bit sore but no prob..
This makes me want to become a Ref
Im sick of this shit
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

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