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Tito Ortiz: 'Go F-yourself Chuck -- I'll be back in the cage again, and I'll be dominating'

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Quoteworthy:

"I think we should still fight, just because of the s--- he's been saying. Saying that I'm afraid of him and I'm a p----, this and that. Go f--- yourself man. Are you kidding me? Has he ever defended his world title longer than me? No. Has any light-heavyweight ever defended the world title longer than me? No. I'm only 35 years old. I'll be back in the cage again, and I'll be dominating."

Exiled Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 11 coach Tito Ortiz has an extremely optimistic view of his future inside the Octagon, including another fight with nemesis Chuck Liddell that was supposed to go down this Saturday (June 12) in Vancouver. "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" pulled out of the UFC 115 main event to have surgery in hopes of repairing a neck condition that left him vulnerable to an "Iceman" offense. As a result, UFC President Dana White booted him from the Spike TV reality show and hired Rich Franklin to take his place. Ortiz is 0-3-1 since 2006 and hasn't had a win since bludgeoning Ken Shamrock into retirement nearly four years ago. Can he return and "dominate" like he claims? Or has the evolution of the sport already passed him by?

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what is Tito basing these comments on

all the success he’s already had against Chuck?

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe that...a cap could ever fit Tito's gigantic watermelon head.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jun 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

custom sized

they don’t have that size at lids

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Has he ever defended his world title longer than me?"

He protected you and took the harder fights while you were champ and everybody knows this dumb fuck Tito. Plus he beat your ass twice and you avoided him on the show like a pussy!

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!

Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest in a way that nobody else has or could ever do. Very Matrix like. GSP on the other hand can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a decent fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or train for and just toys around with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds in a way that person's never been handled before. He's board at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW period. Facts are pretty amazing!

by Oswald on Jun 10, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is, people think that is a fake gif of Tito, when it’s actually real.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I just can't wait to hit Chuck with my balls!" ~Tito Ortiz.

by tkkpal on Jun 10, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That looks like

The love child of Tito and Antonio Silva

On a similar note, I have always thought Tito and Jenna’s kids will look like Eddie Sanchez…photoshop image to come.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cap also holds his time machine

Which takes him back a decade when this shit took place.

by Dugout on Jun 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat i don't get..

is how he brags about his title defenses but all he did was fight cans and outweighed opponents..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also didn’t defend it as many times he just defended it more infrequently. Oh, and did I mention he already lost this fight…twice?

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have I ever beat Chuck? NO!

"You made your decision, now live with your decision"

by Diceman on Jun 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is Dana's official position on Tito? Drop him or keep him around?

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jun 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he has said....

I’m sure he’s going to stay or he would have been officially released by now, and on TUF Dana was acting more concerned about the surgury than pissed. What’s next is a different story and I like the idea that he should have to fight Chuck to comeback. If Chuck does so bad that Dana cuts actually does cut him then it can’t happen, but I want Chuck and Tito again win or lose for Chuck on Saturday

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh tito!

you’re so good at this! I do think he left the TUF series on a good note, the guys on his team liked him, he’s a good guy acting like a bad boy to make every little cent there is and i don’t blame him cause the UFC is all hollywood/reality tv.

gli azzurri !

by RoBerto. on Jun 10, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Tito's defense

Wrestlers have been having a ton of success lately. If Tito can work on his cardio, explosiveness, and learn to mix takedowns with punches a little better, he could do well. Why do you think Coleman was able to take Shogun to round 3 and able to beat Bonnar but get utterly dominated by Randy? Now many people say that Shogun wasnt at his best and that may be true, but I think that Colemans wrestling had a lot to with Shogun gassing as well. Randy had wrestling so he was able to negate it. Brilz was able to take on Lil Nog, It makes sense. If Tito puts in the work and these lingering injuries don’t set him back, I could see Tito making an impact.

by RyanHobbs on Jun 10, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

Tito’s in dreamland. He was fighting cans only a couple times a year. And the 35 year old comment to boot. I’m 35 and I’m pretty sure my 25 year old self would kick my ass today. (you might need to be stomed to understand that comment). I was stronger and faster back then – just like the younger UFC fighters today. I just wasn’t as smart. That’s maybe the only advantage.

by Dugout on Jun 10, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but...

I am not so sure Tito is smarter now than he was @ 25. In fact smarter and Tito really don’t belong in the same sentence unless it is like this.

A baby chimp is smarter than Tito.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct Sir

Getting punched in the head thousands of times in the past 10 years surely doesn’t help one’s intelligence either.

by Dugout on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL at SD

The REEM is REAL and Fedor will Fall. ~ Muwahahaha !

by Bigger Zino on Jun 10, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a 51/50.

its supposed to be oversized and its looking snug on that melon.

On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

by Onemansyn on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a fucking suit.

Out of all the clothes he had in his closet, he chose this look.

What a macaroon.

If only he could se himself through other people’s eye. That’s the sign of his idiocy.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito = all about attention. The suit only plays that up.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right...

So I see a man that needs attention more than he needs to atually be tasteful. A man that would put together that look in order to draw attention to himself. Does Tom Brady where large red suits? A-Rod? LeBron? I don’ t think so. They don’t need to draw attention to themselves the way a clown like Tito does.

I see a man who has no true confidence…one that only portarys himself to have confidence.

Confidence ≠ delusional self love.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing we can all agree on is that Tito's suit looks hideous

The goofy sunglasses and baseball cap make him look even more like a tool, as does the cheesy pose.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to keep away from the prossies and strippers so as far as I know I haven't seen any pimps

And pimp suits look horrendous anyway, but this one looks even worse than most. Tito needs to take a few pimp classes off Shonie Carter to pull off the pimp look because bright red suits with Punishment caps and sunglasses just make him look silly and desperate.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

striker, what u call tool i call funny.

you won’t miss a guy that dresses up like that. He’s the Djibril Cissé of MMA.

gli azzurri !

by RoBerto. on Jun 10, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unintentionally....

He isn’t trying to be funny…he comes off like he thinks he is an ultimate badass.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like the outfit and id wear it

Looking the same as people is soooo boring. I like the dudes that make a look their own. Don’t blend in. If its you, then do you. That’s what Tito does. I appreciate it.

House of 1000 Worbses

by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the word here is . . .

THUGNIFICENT!

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jun 10, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horrendous,Horrendous outfit.Toto is such a clown,when will he go away?

by Handsome Devil on Jun 10, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like seeing him fight even if he’s not a contender.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That being said, I have no desire to see Chuck/Tito III.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

unintentionally

but very intentional at the same time, it’s his strategy and public image.

I find larger than life characters like Spencer Pratt and the Jersey Shore crew extremely entertaining. They ARE funny people and they do fun stuff, people that try to pull jokes and stuff aren’t too funny to me they just try to be.

gli azzurri !

by RoBerto. on Jun 10, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay then...

Tito is the Spencer Pratt of MMA.

Woooooooooow! Dare to dream.

What a clown.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel fortunate I don’t even know who the guy is.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's Spencer Pratt?

Tito thinks he’s more like the Donald Trump of MMA.Haha remember guys he does run a billion dollar company.

by Handsome Devil on Jun 10, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito=

“spencer pratt is a broke douche bag”
Tito=douchebag…check.
Tito= Soon to be out of work and broke….backruptcy pending.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol at the Cisse of MMA, that's hardly something to be proud of

Both guys are overrated and are more known for their stupidity and goofy haircuts than for their sporting talent and achievements.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll never look at soccer and angel wings the same again!

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol i love it

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lebron probably would

he wears some crazy sweaters sometimes, but I get ur point

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia

Not to be confused with Maricon,

Wikipedia: The word MACAROON is applied to a variety of light, baked confections, described as either small cakes or meringue-like cookies.

Ru Calling Tito a cookie or a fag?…..

by THORAZINE on Jun 11, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats not a 51/50

besides the fact that i had about 30-35 red sox hats alone ( all of them new era 51/50’s ) You can tell it isnt . its small as hell ( except it was made to fit his big ass head) But I also have that hat at home and its a flex fit. Ive met tito and dudes head would look huge in a sombreo

by LOKIE on Jun 10, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This rant reminds me of a Peter Griffin rant...

Did George W. Bush quit even after losing the popular vote? No! Did he quit after losing millions of dollars of his father’s money in failed oil companies? No! Did he quit after knocking that girl up? No! Did he quit after he got that DUI? No! Did he quit after he got busted for drunk and disorderly conduct at a football game? No! Did he quit…

by Edgecrusher71 on Jun 10, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which cage Tito?

The octagon, or the one that Jenna sent you packing to?

by LJ. on Jun 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Tito YOU SUCK

"Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional." - Roger Crawford.

by JamPark on Jun 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

haha maybe tito..

but in strikforce where u gotta fight wanna be rampage mo..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Mo would maul Tito.

"You made your decision, now live with your decision"

by Diceman on Jun 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a competitor for the most over hyped fight ever

Considering that they both don;t seem to know who to win.

TIto is lost in the cage..

Mo can shoot on a guy and then doesn’t know what to do once he is on top…so why shoot, Mo?

Two loud mouth blowhards that like to talk more than they like to fight.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo is what, 6-0? And already SF LHW champ, with wins over Wiuff, Whitehead, and Gegard Mousasi? Mo would own “bones” jones fyi.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh No He Didn't!

Bones stiking would be WAY too much! I say crushing Vera and Hamill is bigger that Mo’s list.

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. And bones has no striking to speak of he got outstruck by Bonnar and Andre Gusmao… And there’s no comparison in the wrestling department Mo is probably the single best wrestler in MMA.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo has Skilss no doubt,

but best in MMA, I think that’s a little far. I think Brock or GSP has to best. Love or hate Brock, any man that size that can transistion that way is a killer.

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Single Best Accomplished Amateur Wrestler MAYBE

But Jon Jones Would Throw Him Around, And He Wants Outstruck By Bonnar and Gusmao.

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may have disagreed with you on this before...

There is a difference between opinion of talent and actual credentials in amateur wrestling, as you know. Mo never won an NCAA title or went to the olympics. That automatically puts his credentials behind Brock, Lindland, Sonnen, Hendo, etc.

He has GREAT wrestling and ability, not the best resume.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP never won any titles. or even wrestled in HS

I would have loved to seen Kurt Angle come to MMA and not WWE. that dude brings an amazing wrestling pedigree and an insane level of intensity, heart and drive.

As far as best PURE wrestler in the UFC, today. I’d say KOS.

HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.

by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 10, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Single Best Accomplished Amateur Wrestler

That was my dispute. That has nothing to do with MMA wrestling ability.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to wrestling, GSP is what’s known as an outlier. He is a tiny exception to a well-established rule. You cannot continue to cite him in discussions about wrestling, claiming that if he can be as good as he is with no high school/college/Olympic wrestling credentials then anyone else can be too. It does not work that way.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jun 10, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy Kos is bringing on the show as the wrestling coach (Dan Cormier) has quite the resume as well.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Jun 10, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually Agree With you After this Post

And I always seem to forget about Lindland in these discussions but you are right. I concede.

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lindland won a SILVER medal, but the game has passed him by.

One of my good friends exhibition grappled with Lindland about 12 years ago. Was competitive for about 2 minutes, too.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heared..

he does’nt shower, nastey to grapple him..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Knew Mo Has a Documented Past in Wrestling

I guess I never looked into it myself, I have never been intrigued by him to begin with

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

At one point he was the top wrestler in the States

He was a favourite to win a gold in the olympics as well but got upset in qualifying.

Personally I’m excited by both Mo and Bones, they are the 2 hottest prospects at LHW and both have already accomplished a lot, they are both outstanding wrestlers, hardworkers and athletic phenoms. I look forward to seeing both of them progress further, wins over Mousasi and Vera are huge for 2 guys who have had less than 20 professional fights between them.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, the fact that people already have such polar opinions should tell you of their potential.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was considered the best freestyle amateur wrestler in the US for a time.

Won a lot of matches and titles, except for the big ones.

That is why I took Gaygard in the match. Mo seems to wilt when the pressure is greatest.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck i have NEVER hoped a fighter comes to the UFC

I’m always okay with them where they are, because they seem to fit. And Fedor doesn’t matter to me because he has nothing to prove. If he hasn’t convinced you yet, he never will haters. Plus he’s only got about 5 fights or less left I figure before he hangs em up.

But Lawal? I need that fucker to come over and clean house to shut all you guys that say he’s overrated up. He is a top 5 in UFC or higher no doubt. And he destroy Page. So this “Poor mans Rampage” stuff is old. Rampage is a “Poor mans Rampage”.

Mo Lawal is the truth.

House of 1000 Worbses

by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree he beats Page

but I don’t really think that says much. I think Lawal would be an average to above average LHW in the UFC

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

dream matchup would be Lawal vs Rashad.

I think King Mo would have a good shot.

gli azzurri !

by RoBerto. on Jun 10, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that would be a good match-up indeed.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

roberto/jackanapes

You two just shot up my list for great minds. I said same thing. Their styles play right into each other, and could produce a very tough to call bout. And if we see that as a potentially good fight, then without a doubt we at least think Lawal would be top 5 in UFC.

House of 1000 Worbses

by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

really?

I think Rashad beats him fairly easy, and I’m no Rashad fan. Wrestling is a wash or even a slight advantage for Rashad, and the stand up isn’t even close

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrestling a wash or advantage Rashad???? are you out of your mind?

First of all, Rashad’s wrestling background is quite average, look up his amateur record it’s something like 48sh-35 or something like that. Second of all,Rashad went a long period without using his wrestling at all so it’s probably deteriorated from it’s already low level. Third of all, he was comprehensively outwrestled by Tito Ortiz and Sean Salmon. There is absolutely no way that Rashad gets anything but completely dominated if this fight ever happens. People need to stop drinking the UFC koolaid and open their eyes.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that it’s UFC koolaid Frosnt. I think it’s that Rashad is 15-1-1 against some pretty high level opponents while King Mo is still relatively a baby in the sport with 7 fights under his belt. There were guys on TUF this season with more fights than Mo. I personally think Rashad would win, but I wouldn’t mind seeing what King Mo could do against some stiffer competition in general (not just the UFC).

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Jun 10, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, Worbz

Hmm, I wouldn’t go as far as top 5, I could potentially see him in the top 10 though. As it presently stands I would have to say no, but I haven’t seen enough of him to put him in there just yet.

Because even though I think it would be a good match-up, I would still give Rashad the edge. It’s just that with Mo’s style and his good wrestling base, stylistically he could pose some problems for Rashad and make for a good match-up.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that fight as well

It’s crazy how good Mo is when he’s only had 6 fights, wait until he gains some real experience and he’ll be a great fighter. I say he should have a couple more fights in SF then make the move up to the UFC, when he does he’ll prove the critics wrong and be a top 5 LHW at least. He has the potential to be better than Rashad and Rampage.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is absolutely no way that Rashad gets anything but completely dominated if this fight ever happens. People need to stop drinking the UFC koolaid and open their eyes.

Completely disagree. I think you’ve been drinking the UFC Haterade.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No i just don’t live in the UFC dreamworld where I believe Rashad Evans is anythiing more than a mediocre wrestler with mediocre striking. Try to debate either of those two claims?

Well i told you why he’d be dominated in wrestling. So if you don’t dispute that you ,ist think rashad is gonna knock MO out? Or submit Mo? lol, not gonna happen.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Rashad would probably win a decision. He could get a TKO as well.

a mediocre wrestler with mediocre striking

I wouldn’t sum Rashad up so simply though. It’s the whole package he presents. The speed, the athleticism, mixing it up the way he does, having KO power etc. It’s how he combines these “mediocre” talents which makes him better than many people think.

As I said below, I think Mo would be a good fight, but he definitely wouldn’t dominate Rashad. No way at all.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what everyone talks about, Rashad’s speed/athletecism. Those are means to an end, and he doesn’t use either effectively.

His speed hasn’t helped his boxing, as, if you look at his last three fights, his striking is subpar. Even against Rampage and Silva after he’d wrassled for 2 rounds he tried to exchange and quickly found out he’s not a striker.

And his “athletecism” (whatever that means) didn’t help him have a stellar wrestling career, or really show impressive wrestling in his MMA career either.

As for mixing it up, I don’t see how Rashad has been doing that of late too much, he’s basically been a wrestler—which is definitely his best gameplan because it’s the best part of his game. And even if he were mixing it up (as he tried to in, for example, the Ortiz fight) I don’t think he’d be very competetive in stopping King Mo’s takedowns.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can’t see his “athleticism” or even know what it means, I don’t know what to say. His intensity, especially as of late, is a part of it. He’s fast, mixes it up, has a good shot, gets better in every fight, and shuts the other guy down.

His striking annoys me as well. I hate the monkey antics. It looks ridiculous and ineffective. But he comes out with some good blows, good body shots prior to his shot, and has still knocked dudes out.

He uses his speed and athleticism very effectively, if he didn’t he wouldn’t be able to mix his game up as well as he does.

And he isn’t a striker, if he exchanged with Rampage he would be knocked out most likely. Same with T. Silva. That’s why his gameplan is what it is, the best way he knows how to win. And it’s effective.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I’m saying is his vaunted athleticism has yet to translate into great MMA wrestling (also not sure about the root of this whole great athlete claim to begin with).

But I don’t think either of us is changing our minds. Hopefully the fight happens and I can bet my house on Mo.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply you didn’t literally know what it meant. I apologize if it came out that way.

LOL, bet your house on Mo. You’ll have to move in with John G, just like he was gonna bet his house on Rampage.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you david ws! finally!

I love hearing some sensibility.

Jackanapes,
No ill will, but I don’t quite get it. If you think Shad makes a great match with him and admittedly give Shad a “slight edge”, this means you wouldn’t be shocked if Lawal won correct? So if that doesn’t shock you, and I assume Shad is #3 on your LHW list or at least top 5, then where would you place Lawal if he got passed Shad? You yourself see it as plausible. Lol not being rude, just help me understand a little bro :)

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah, that’s cool. Maybe I’m contradicting myself a little, but no matter how good a fighter is, there can always be a guy who stylistically has his number and could pose problems for him, but not necessarily consistently stay at the top and beat the other guys. Look at Brilz and Lil Nog for example.

Just because Rashad is #2 doesn’t mean #8 won’t give him a good fight and possibly win.

I think Mo is good, and with more fights could easily be considered top 10, but at the moment top 5 is seeing too far into the future, especially since he’s hardly fought any big names and is just starting to lift off.

He definitely has the potential, and writing him off is going too far. He’s a legit threat to anyone.

I think all the ambivalence comes from it all being speculation because Mo needs to have a few more fights with top guys to seal a spot in the higher rankings.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way Worbz, I didn’t say I give Rashad a “slight” edge, I said I give him the edge. I don’t think he would dominate Mo, I think he would win comfortably to get a decision most likely. Maybe even a TKO. I would give Mo a “slight” chance though.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a good fight. It’s a fight I would like to see for sure.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Rashad Frost

and I was very impressed with Lawal’s big win. Im just giving my opinion as to how the fight would go. as far a sipping UFC kool aid, not me, I’m the only guy (or def. in the minority) when I say I’m not sold on Valasquez or JDS, and they are super hype

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t think he wud, we all saw how decent mo is against gegard, i think bones wud kick the crap out of him and throw him into gnp time, and believe me i hate bones im just saying it how it is..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just Curious..

Everyone has there opinion and that’s totally cool, but I like the guy and think he’s pretty awesome. I am curious what you don’t like about him?

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well..

at times wen machida was the biggest hing around, jones was saying he wud beat him wen he reaches his pirme, as if he bought into his own hype, he seems arrogant and i don’t believe his humble thing, it seems so fake because after he lost to hamill he was trying to overturn the win, which i agree with him trying to do its jsut if life was so great and he was so thankful then y wud he be bothered by it?

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones Isnt Arrogant FYI

And also he wanted the decision overturned because he believed it should be a W. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats ur opinion..

i believe he is, believe im sure wen he gets his ass kicked we will see the real him, but until the ufc stops babying him we won’t and we will see the humblest guy ever..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon now

dude he fought Vera, Hamill and Bonner. you can’t say stuff like that

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

new bonner, new vera, and hamil got injuired during the fight, im not taking anyhting away from his win, but he was strating look bad towards the end of bonners fight cause he was gassing, and vladamir is for sure an east fight..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamill Got Hurt Because Jones Hurt Him

While slinging Him Down Like a Baby. And Vlad is FAR FAR Away from an Easy Fight

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

bones will destroy him aswell

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is his ground game coming along?

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

jits

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its Decent

Thats what Im Afraid Of For Him. Is Vlad is a grinder and I think Jones is strong and explosive enough to get it back to the feet but TD’s score points if Jones doesnt finish the fight

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i cant wait to see this guy fight again

Im sure he will win and if not hes a kid plenty of time

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If He clinches With Vlad

Look for Trip TD followed by Greg Jackson Elbow Smash. I see him do it all the damn time

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice ill be watching for it

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

His takedowns are pretty impressive. I have never seen Matt Hamill handled like that before. Usually he’s the one bullying with strength. I’m excited to see how this kid does in the future.

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by MM_Eh on Jun 10, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well let me refraise that, not easy, but he is outmatched for sure..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones is going to roll everyone in that div.

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

jones would smash Mo!

Jones has looked far more impressive, against way tougher competition. Mo wouldn’t be able to take Jones down & lay n pray his way to a decision.

by JRoland on Jun 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i adore jones and he's on of my top 10 favorites

But I in no way think he would get passed Mo Lawal easily. I think they are both stiff tests for anyone and I think I’d pick them against anyone in LHW division no matter who they fought. Jones I think needs this next fight and one/two more before he could fight and win the belt. Lawal I feel is one fight away as well, before he could win the UFC LHW belt if he were there. Tell me Lawal sucks, and is overrated all you want. I will not believe you. His wrestling and natural abilities will take him very far as he gains experience.

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

They’re both top talents and great prospects, those 2 will be the top LHWs in the future and even now they are easily top 10 and are pushing the top 5. With experience they will be superb fighters and it’ll be exciting watching them develop, I’m surprised that so many people are being so impatient with 2 young guys like Mo and Bones. Mr Wonderful is another top young prospect to look out for in the future.

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by David W-S on Jun 10, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

very mature..

ur acting like a bay, i don’t agree so u tell me im wrong, i said ur opinion, it means jsut as much as mine dude..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

in ANS's defense

if he trains with him and knows him personally, and in the past has had no problem telling us which fighters are jerks, I tend to believe ANS!

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im Just Telling You To Help You Out Here

That you may not think he is humble but its a fact that the guys is very humble, always has been since the day he walked into our gym.

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if u train with him..

y the fuck did u let me go on with this and look like an idiot haha!!

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO

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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck no, y wud i argue with a guy who actually knows him, oh well its all fun to debate anyways..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thnx man..

most ppl will ride the ship till it sinks, but as long as a nice guy is proving me wrong and using facts i don’t mind being wrong..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

admitting you’re wrong to me is the same as admitting you learned something new!

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. He Really is a Nice Guy.

The Machida stuff is blown out of prop. in my opinion. He just thinks he has what it takes.

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beat Machida? >:(

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by OJR on Jun 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya we all say stuff that we either think or don’t mean, its only human..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Machida thing . . .

That was a while ago was it not? It definitely was blown out of proportion. He was asked a question and he answered truthfully. He’s always been humble and well-spoken, how could anyone think differently?

There’s nothing to dislike about this guy.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn..

i wanna be right, well we can’t dispute the fact that he looks like a caveman..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caveman? Does he have a heavy brow or something? I must have missed it.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya have u see his brow, its big as all hell..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevertheless, it is in dispute. I’ll have to disagree on this one. Forrest looks more like a caveman than Jones.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if were going on that..

my boy guida wins over anyone..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Agreed.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And caveman look can’t be dismissed by opinion.

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jun 10, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Jones’ case it can. He doesn’t look “cavemanish” at all. lol.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not caveman per se. What were those ones a little later that had fire and tools but still weren’t quite fully evolved homo sapiens?

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jun 10, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homo Forrestgriffinus?

I dunno. Most of them looked “cavemanish” to me.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not sure why anyone would think otherwise

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was to aintnosunshine

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he's fun

I took a picture with him and my wife who is in a wheelchair and I didn’t even know it until later but in the picture he held himself up with the bars of her chair over her lap and made it look like he was flying into her chair. It’s a great pic.

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a great pic

i was looking at that pic on FB a couple weeks ago, showing my buddy at work. Jones is the man!

by LJ. on Jun 10, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

jasonfahq

Do I have you on FB? I can’t picture this photo from the description and me and my buddy would love to see it. Could you post it on here? Or maybe shoot me a msg on what your fb/real name is, or add me so I can take a peek?

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's got a ton of good pics

Hundreds of them. He’s my cousin so he usually e-mails them to me when he gets back from a show.

by LJ. on Jun 10, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck lol

Wish I woulda came back and read your reply before I assumed he was you and looked through 100 Disneyland pics and almost all your others trying to find this pic! I also couldn’t figure out where he got JasonFahq from your name. Its becoming much more clear now. Haha

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LMAO!

U know my pics w/ Minnie Mouse are just as good as his pics w/ Arianny though.

by LJ. on Jun 11, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

well the fact that he wanted the decision overturned at least means he was being facetious in his reaction after the fight.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

It’s how you look at it. He has to talk confidently, he can’t have the mindset that he can never beat the best or what is the point.

I REALLY dont like it when guys try to get stuff overturned so I understand that. But I can see the arguement that the fight was over well before it was stopped and if it’s to protect a perfect record from tarnish…. it’s different there too.

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would he?

Would he dictate the fight only to get out struck where he dictated it?

Would Mo hit the bottom of Jones’s feet with his face like he did to Mousasi?

Would he let Jones outstrike him nearly 2-1

Would Mo let Jones stand up 8 times to his 9 take downs like he did with Mo? (exlpain to me again how Mo dictated that fight if Gegard stood up fromt he takedowns all buy one time, when the round ended?

Sorry, Mo would melt like butter in the UFC.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Great facts again Dave

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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give Mo his props

I’m not really a fan, his personality is crap, but for where he is in his career he has some major accomplishments

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

Jones would smash him to.

I think Jones will be champion within 2 years

Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.

by JasonFahQ on Jun 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never understood these types of predictions....

There are so many factors that go into it, that I never understand it when some one says that fighter X will be the champ in X years.

What if he isn’t good against the top guys? What if he gets injured? What if he runs into a kryptonite fighter (a fighter that just has his number)? What if….

I understand people saying I think he has limitless potential and he could develop into an elite fighter but I never get the championship predictions.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow what a load of sh*t. i cannot believe you think that was well said

So Mousassi got up 8x and that’s relevant to the 9 td’s looking bad how? How quickly we forget hey? Hey, who saw GSP’s performance vs Alves? Ooo! Ooo! Me! Me! Did you guys think GSP looked bad because he scored 10 td’s? No? Weird hey? But when Lawal does it, ‘Oh my God, what a sh*tty fighter’. Hypocrites! Their fight styles are so similar its eerie.

Ill part with this; Each round starts standing up, no? So in a 5 rd decision, even 1 td per round is 5 total. So is 9 or 10 bad on the man who wins part? Lol… Yeaah.. I guess if he isn’t in UFC for some reason it is.

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Awful comparison....

“Hey, who saw GSP’s performance vs Alves?”

GSP out struck Alves while on top. Had Mo outstruck him in any way, this conversation wouldn’t be happening.

Mo did ZIP from the top.

“So Mousassi got up 8x and that’s relevant to the 9 td’s looking bad how? "
So if Mo tackles Gegard and Gegard gets up, it means that Mo wasn’t really dictating the fight, he was only temporarily making a “move” which resulted in him get beat up while on top. So only once, because the round ended, did Mo get Gegard on the ground when Gegard didn’t get back up. I think of Sub attempts…if fighter A is trying to sub fighter B for 15 minutes and doesn’t because fighter B is able to counter every move, doesn’t that mean that fighter B was able to show a higher level of skill as he was able to thwart every single attempt. Same thing. If Mo tackles Gegard, gets beat up and then Gegard stands up what has Mo really done…he temporarily caused Gegard to beat his has form the ground. He didn’t dominate anything.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a middle ground here, and the middle ground is that takedowns, on their own, get far too much points allocated to them than they should. If all it does is stall, it’s not really offensive any more than it’s defensive if you consider that its purpose is to only hold a guy at bay so that he can’t mount an offense of his own.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, exactly...

When say Randy gets a guy on the ground and pounds him out, then it is an offensive use.

But since all Mo did was get kicked and punched in the face and offered very little offense, then I just don’t understand how that was domination. He was only holding Gegard down (until he eventually stood up)…doesn;t that mean Gegard won?

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah . . .

For me, I’ll have to watch the fight again. But we all know Mousasi did more damage and the takedowns made all the difference. Maybe it was that Mousasi had hardly any takedown defense. I remember being frustrated that he didn’t just open up on Mo, but because he had to watch for the TD, he couldn’t overcommit to strikes. But his lack of TDD was offset by him getting to his feet and taking hardly any damage.

It’s hard to tell. Maybe a draw would have been good enough because of the damage Mousasi did, it was mainly niggling, defensive strikes which irritated Mo more than it did anything to put him off his game.

Either way, TD’s get too much credit. Mousasi was far from dominated.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree to disagree

I see what you’re saying on what he did from the ground, and by the way I wanted Mousassi to win cause I put money on him, but I’m a bigger fan of Lawal, and the way the point system works, I see Lawal as the winner. And that was his first big test, and he succeeded. To think that’s all he has to offer, or that he won’t develop in to something more with all that raw talent, to me, is a mistake.

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was impressed with Mo Daniel

but he did get outstruck by Mousassi from the bottom. Thing is, no one on the bottom will get a decision

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

From your description one would almost think Mo lost that fight? Oh that’s right he dominated Mousasi nevermind. Complete wrestling dominance, aside from an upkick no significant offense from Mousasi. Any strikes he hit from the bottom were like pitter patter slaps whereas Mo actually threw with power. And I SERIOUSLY doubt Jones has anywhere near Mousasi’s ability off his back.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

so basically reply fail.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Frost....

“Oh that’s right he dominated Mousasi nevermind”
Did he? I just saw his shoot 9 times on Gegard in 25 minutes with almost no offense of Gegard.

“Complete wrestling dominance”
And complete incompetence EVERYWHERE else.

“Any strikes he hit from the bottom were like pitter patter slaps whereas Mo actually threw with power.”
Really lets look at their faces after the fight. Tell me again who was throwing with power

So yes, the judges who thought that Mo won that fight because he was on top (but not actually doing any damage….in a fight) gave him the belt but Gegard did more damage.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah the patented face test. You know you have a good case when that’s how you judge a fight.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I judge by the strikes landed, activity, power, situations where a finish might happen (yo know really dictating the fight).

Yet Lawal fans seem to to think empty takedowns mean he is dictating the fight.

I just brought up the condition of their faces because you challenged Gegard’s “pitter patter slaps”.

Sorry but other than “being on top”…I can’t figure out why Mo won that fight. It wasnt a game of “king of the mountain”…it was MMA.

Considering that Gegard stood up 8 times out of the 9 he was tackled…it sounds like all but one time that he actually dictated where the fight took place.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They Should Count It

BUT like in BJJ scoring you should have to maintain it

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Mousasi won to me.

I though he was winning off he back while I was watching the fight.. He just relyed way to heavily on that up kick. Should tried to get back to his feet more. I will take Mousasi in the rematch anyday of the week. BTW, how the hell do you get 9 takedowns and only 3 dominant positions?

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by BNF on Jun 10, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you watch the fight instead of look at it on a piece of paper it was clear Mo won. There was one round where I gave it to Mousasi for striking off his back. The rest of the rounds Gegard did very little of significance off his back. A few pitter patter strikes but there was no way he won the latter rounds from his back. The mouse on Mo’s eye was caused by a single blow early in the fight (an upkick I believe).

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the fight and thought Mousasi won. I also had money him so...

He did more damage and was more active. A fight can be won off your back. Diego beat Guida and was fighting off his back for a lot of their fight. Mousasi should have and could have done more so he deserves the L, but top position does not guarentee victory if I’m judging.

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by BNF on Jun 10, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you have top position and the guy is nowhere near submitting you, then you should almost always win because you have gravity on your side. Your weight is on top of him, and you’re able to generate much more force. Unless it is clear that the person on bottom has more effective striking (i.e. Sanchez against Guida in round 2), I have a hard time giving a striking war on the ground to the guy on the bottom.

by frosnt1 on Jun 10, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't happen often, but

if it is obvious the guy on bottom is more active with strikes and sub attemps he should win. That is the problem though, 99% of the time judges give it to the guy on top, no matter what happens.

You should also get points for getting back to your feet and taking no damage, but as you can see that counts for nothing, only takedowns.

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by BNF on Jun 10, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's too bad BNF

but a fight won’t be won off the back unless its a submission. The judges will always give the top guy the round

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, i scored the fight 4-1 as well for Lawal

But I guess that’s the difference between seeing the fight for the guy you wanted to win, or simply watching it from the judges eyes.

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who did you want/pick to win Worby?

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by BNF on Jun 10, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well tough to say actually

I liked both and I had 100.00 riding on Mousassi and thought he would win. But I liked Lawal lots as well, and kinda wanted to see him prove the nay sayers wrong. Just being totally honest. Its hard to say who I was cheering for, if anyone lol. Get what I’m saying?

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't care who won

and like I said, Mo impressed me, but he needs to do more on top position and get some stand up

by kevjack115 on Jun 10, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

I just feel like there is a trend starting to happen in MMA where no matter what top position wins. If wrestlers keep getting rewarded with W’s for that, while the guy on bottom inflicts more damage, then MMA is going to a boring place that I am not really interested in.

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by BNF on Jun 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Mo...

“but he needs to do more on top position and get some stand up”

So Mo needs to become effective on the ground and develop a basic level of standup…

Sounds like a champion to me.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

There were only losers….

Fans: Lost 25 minutes of their lives to watch a champ win a title when he doesn’t even know what to do when he gets on top of a guy….and he is a wrestler.

Gegard: lost the title.

Mo: Already a loser in life.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate To Say It Again

But damnit SD, I agree again. I was so utterly disappointed in that fight

by AintNoSunshine on Jun 10, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But surely you agree that Mo would smash Tito, right?

"You made your decision, now live with your decision"

by Diceman on Jun 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares...

It would be a fight of incompitence.

by StrikerDave on Jun 10, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

there is not a single Light-Heavyweight fighter in the UFC that wouldn’t beat Tito Ortiz. Seriously, not one.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Bonnar

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

meant to end with ?

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be the only guy he would have a slight chance with.

I agree with StrikerDave though. He would find a way to mess it up.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 10, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we talking before or after his cracked skull and lower back problems and neck problems are factored in?

Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.

by P-Dub on Jun 10, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Even if he didn’t have those problems he couldn’t do it.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 10, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blah blah, keep talkin Tito..

That’s right girl, let me whisper in your ear
Baby wake up, we’re naked and we’re humpin’ sexy
For the last fifteen minutes baby, that’s what’s been happen’
Yeah, too late now, it’s on.

by O damn he got caught on Jun 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

i think that quote was taken after he got laid by his wife jenna jameson and she told him all....

those sweet little lies women tell.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2/1 odds on that too.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

women lie?!

Wtf…why wasn’t I told this earlier…I remember some guy I worked with years ago was tellin me his wife told him he gave her like 40 orgasms in one session..and he believed it..didn’t have the heart to tell him that number was probably inflated just a tad..he seemed so thrilled

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by salamagogo on Jun 10, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow. Is your work buddy a little slow?

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Jun 10, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

havent worked with him for years

Guy knew his shit work-wise…was just really gullable(spelling?) And pretty dense in the women dept.

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by salamagogo on Jun 10, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i actually had the other problem. a nymphomaniac once gave me forty orgasms in a weekend.

i like your signature. i was in the military too.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2/1 odds on that too.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t it be better to let strikeforce sign this ass clown and let them be burdened with a huge contract for a old washed up fighter. I don’t even know a casual fan who wants to see tito fight anymore.

by goldmouth on Jun 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

there are fans out there believe it or not

But the majority of people who wanna see him fight are hoping he will get whooped

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by salamagogo on Jun 10, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Give em hell Tito LMAO

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Tito

he’s a plonker but he mean’s no harm

A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky

by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

thats because hes can’t harm anyone wiht that shitty gnp, well except his wife of course..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harsh Bob

I think he could probably bray Ken again tho?

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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

hehe i know..

ya he wud, man ken sucks so bad these years, i respect him but plz hang em up..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

4?

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give Ken his PEDs and even the odds

Fuck…..i’d watch it

A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky

by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I don’t think Kens performance can be enhanced with any drug so I guess thats a moot point!

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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jun 10, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

Hey that’s one guy I know Tito can beat!

by bk5410 on Jun 10, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll call out Chuck again

when he is good and sure Chuck is fully washed up next time. Tito probably thought Chuck was done after his last KO’s and DWTS’s until he showed up on TUF and saw that Chuck was in great shape and chomping at the bit to kick his ass again! I hope Dana sends him packing. The UFC doesnt need Tito Ortiz and his BS!

by HEELHOOK on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

finally tito sticks up for himself though.. chuck usually runs around and says whatever and tito usually never fires anything back

by jj putz on Jun 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

thats because..

chucks not in the same room as him..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Jun 10, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a couple of great chances to get in Chucks face on the show

but once he turned and left the room like a bitch, and when Yager quit Chuck was right there saying “he quit, just like Tito” they just showed Tito sitting there putting his head down looking all dejected. Anyways, Tito always mouths off after the fact, he has always been a mouth piece so I wouldnt say “finally” cause he’s always spouting off about something or someone.

by HEELHOOK on Jun 10, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he didn’t see the point in huffing and puffing and doing nothing but get in each other’s faces. They wouldn’t have fought right there, so what point would it prove? He did it all before. Doesn’t make him a bitch.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

my god

Dominating again? Tito hasn’t FINISHED a fight (besides with washed up Shamrock) since 2001. ALMOST A DECADE. The UFC is paying him far to much money to pit him against lower-tier competition. The easiest fight they could have given him was against Forrest, and he lost. He’ll never beat anyone in the UFC top 15. Just go away Tito you’re fucking annoying.

by virginiatech on Jun 10, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Can he return and “dominate” like he claims? Or has the evolution of the sport already passed him by?

No. He’s been passed by. He can probably be used as a decent stepping stone for up and coming fighters or a gatekeeper, but I don’t think we’ll ever see him “dominate” again.

by Hardcase on Jun 10, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s fucked. I hope it doesn’t fuck up his reign at the top.

"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.

by Jackanapes on Jun 10, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt. knee surgeries are the worst injury to hear about in your fave athlete

When Vince Carter fucked his knee and got surgery I was like “NOOOOOOOOO!”. I knew I’d be getting a lot of flack from that day on. Sucks defending a guy like that all the time too. But I guess as a true fan, that’s what we do.

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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tito

Tito will have all his injuries healed and all his surgeries done by the time he’s 55.

by justbleed9999 on Jun 11, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

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