No Mazz: Josh Rosenthal to call 'Lesnar vs Carwin' after Lesnar camp protest
by Jesse Holland on Jun 10, 2010 9:30 AM EDT
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Brock Lesnar's agent, David Olsen, along with UFC attorney Michael Mersch recently made a stink with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), requesting that referee Steve Mazzagatti be removed from consideration as the man in charge of the action during the heavyweight title fight at UFC 116: "Lesnar vs. Carwin" at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on July 3, as reported by Sherdog.com.
Mazzagatti officiated Lesnar’s Octagon debut against Frank Mir at UFC 81: "Breaking Point" in February 2008, and this marks the third time Camp Lesnar has objected to Mazaggatti's participation (UFC 91, UFC 100).
In the opening seconds of his UFC debut, Lesnar stormed the former champion and began to maul him with a flurry of strikes. It appeared that Lesnar was on his way to an impressive technical knockout victory; however, the former World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) star landed several questionable -- and according to Mazzagatti -- illegal blows to the back of the head.
As a result, the action was stopped and Lesnar was docked one point. And when the action restarted, Mir survived another blitzkrieg and locked in a fight-ending submission (kneebar) just 91 seconds into the match.
Of course, several fans blamed Mazzagatti and his ruling for the result rather than Lesnar and his inability to defend submissions and/or land legal blows. Regardless, when all was said and done, it was perhaps the most hectic and crazy minute and a half of action inside the Octagon in all of 2008.
And based on this recent request, still a sore spot for Team Lesnar.
In addition to Mazzagatti, Herb Dean, Josh Rosenthal and Mario Yamasaki were all under consideration to officiate the Lesnar-Carwin match.
NSAC Chairwoman Pat Lundvall found no evidence of referee bias -- the crux of Olsen's objection -- and refused to remove Mazzagatti from consideration. In the end it didn't matter, as Josh Rosenthal was appointed as the man in charge, which hopefully means that Lesnar can now focus 100-percent on Carwin come fight night.
Anyone out there in MMA land think it may be time to rid Mazzagatti of his Scarlet Letter? Or do you support the movement to keep him out of this -- and future main events?
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Mazzagatti shouldn't even be allowed to watch MMA!
hahaha, remember when Dana said that? I agree though, dude is terrible.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
I think Maz is very good, way better than Rosenthal for sure........
but i like it more that someone is doing this. Lesnar is right in that if he feels that Maz can affect his fight then get him taken off. Fighters need to ability to say no to guys with proven shit records like worst ref ever across all sports Jon Schorle, idiot Peoples, Tan Dan.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jun 10, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone brings up questionable refs and Dan Miragliotta (sp) is not mentioned? BTW - Borck won't need to worry about Carwin hitting him in the back of the head because Borck will be laying flat on his back looking up at the lights.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
When the hell is everyone going to come to their senses...
And Get Big John back in a UFC cage?
Best MMA Ref of all time, hands down…
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Dana?!...........no
And OJR – i did say Tan Dan. But most people will never realize how bad Schorle has been actively trying to get someone maimed or killed in the cage as well as ruining careers on the judges cards.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jun 10, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My bad, NNR. Didn't recognize the nickname you gave him. I prefer Dummy Dan.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
whoever is behind the sport of mma in america.
like the nevada state faggots needs to be shot in the fucking head. they do the worst job in the world, horrible judging, horrible refs and they do nothing about it, except for when Brock Lesnar asks Maz to not ref his fight.
gli azzurri !
borcks request was denied
The Chairwoman didn’t listen to his SOB story, cause its outrageous and he does this every fight. Waaah, waaah. It just so happened they drew Rosenthal’s name.
On side note, I have no problems with the judges calls ever, really. I’d tell you my two I disagreed with but people would get upset. Lol.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it was denied was what they said in restrospect to the media
there was no way they would have chosen mazagatti.though, he was not in the pool. they are just trying to look like standup guys by saying he still was
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Herb Dean is their best ref everyone knows that he should be reffing every UFC main event till the day he fucks up.
UFC basically own nsac so they can do whatever, it’s like they’re testing their own fighters.
gli azzurri !
ojr i'll open the shitgates per your request lol
Ugh, I didn’t wanna get yelled at all a.m.
Here goes;
I thought Tito/Forrest 2 was BS. I had that fight 2 rds to none after 2. And yes, its a given that Forrest worked him bad in rd 3, but at best that makes a 10-8 rd and its ruled a draw. But I saw that fight 2-1 Tito ftw and I don’t care for either fighter. Not being biased.
My other was Penn/Edgar. I again, am impartial to both, and my best friend would fuck Penn and hates my boy GSP, so I wanted nothing more then to rub a Penn loss in his face, but I couldn’t do it, cause I saw it as a clear 3-2 for Penn. I thought the cards would read: 48-47, 48-47, and a 49-46, Penn. But I was blown away when 50-45 was announced, followed by an Edgar win.
The thing that’s gonna make you guys even more upset, is that I had absoutely no issues with Nog/Brilz (thought it only looked a lil iffy because ppl expected so much from Nog), Vera/Randy (really never was more sure of a result. It was a free card and I was so certain who won I almost didn’t listen to the announcement cause I was in a hurry), and Machida/Shogun (I thought it was defs 2 rds to each fighter, and the deciding one just happened to go the way of the champ).
Lemme have it! Lol.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok agreed with everything.
except small things like i saw tito/forrest 2 being a draw and that shogun clearly won the first fight.
gli azzurri !
I had no doubt in my mind that shogun won.....
That was the one that shocked me the most, I had 4 rounds to one and may have even given shogun all 5………
O_o
Roberto,
I said I would’ve been able to see a draw for sure in Tito/Forrest 2, due to how great Forrest did in rd 3 it could’ve been 10-8. But other than that, its a 10-9 standard rd, with Tito claiming the first 2 and he wins.
Dragon102,
5 rounds to none would’ve been embarrassing. Machida clearly won round 2. There is no debate on that one IMO. But I also say there is no debate on rd 4 and 5 as they were clearly Shoguns. Thankfully you score the fight every rd and hand in your scoring after each round. This makes the decisions much less bias. And allows for a much lower margin of error. The problem is most ppl are sold on what happens at the end of a fight and it can erase their thoughts on what happened earlier on. This is a very wrong way to judge a fight, and often see’s the person who made the last impression, as the “winner”. Not so in reality.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
alright, so we agree on basically all counts jimbobb
You got good eyes. Woulda been cool with a tito/forrest draw, just not a tito loss. And I can hear what you’re saying on vera, but ya, I just know the point scoring on octagon control, and randy pretty well controlled the entire pace of the fight so, I had him winning.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah i agree to that. Vera won the limited striking in the fight but grappling and such Randy definitely controlled except for the takedown and 3 second mount by Vera…….how the hell do you get someone down, mount them and lose it before you can throw a punch.
Yep Couture wall-n-stalled to a 2-1victory in my eyes
Tito should have won, although I found the Brliz decision even worse than that
Bullets dodge Fedor.
It's 101 asshole...lol
Yeah I clearly remember that night thinking shogun won 4 rounds. The point being I would have scored it for him at least 3 rounds out of the 5, but my opinion just like yours, doesnt’ count for shit. lol And regardless of what happened then he righted it himself.
O_o
Shogun did win 4 in my mind.
what’s scary is that we’ve actually got a better view of the fights than the judges.
gli azzurri !
Maybe so they don’t have Rogan in their ear declaring a fight over halfway through the second round, especially when that guy goes on to lose a UD.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
UFC basically own nsac so they can do whatever
if this is true then why was the UFC lawyer unsuccessful in having Mazzagatti removed from consideration?
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
the Fertitta’s were good friends with people from the NSAC before they even got in charge of the UFC.
gli azzurri !
lol whatever. thats your guys opinion vs NSAC's words
So I’ll stick with theirs. No offense, but yeah….
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by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow, this is weird. I actually agree with a post from a guy that normally comes off as a douchebag. strange.
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
wouldn’t someone always agree with themselves?
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Not if they, like you in this case, see themselves as a douchebag most of the time
Bullets dodge Fedor.
nope, IF I were a douchebag I would always agree with myself.
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Did the real jj just call someone else a douche bag?
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
haha thx free
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand why he would say you're a douche
He has no room to speak.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I have plenty of room to speak
just like you’re a fucking douchebag too jay
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You betta slow your roll baby
You ain’t got enuff dough to pay me
You know the pin number just page me when you real baby
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Wtf??
I wasn’t being a smartass, I was including myself in the “super friends”. Just trying to make a joke at the same time defend us regulars. Simmer down freenow….
O_o
lol dragon I know, i was supporting you
you started the rhyme with slow ur roll, and I continued with biggie lyrics haha
it was meant for mike the dumb farmer
Bullets dodge Fedor.
LOL
OK mike.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
LOL, close but not quite right
Lorenzo was a member of the NSAC before purchasing the company
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If your god I guess that explains why the world is all fucked up right now. Hahaha. Sorry man nothing personal but if you got a dart throw it
by LOKIE on Jun 10, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this particular incident can be put to rest. However, his judgement on when to stop fights is extremely piss poor.
"You made your decision, now live with your decision"
I mean, if I'm screaming at the TV for more than 2 seconds for the ref to stop the fight when no one I like is fighting, it's a horribly late stoppage.
"You made your decision, now live with your decision"
And then I've also seen him make early stops. Sorry, but I just think his judgement on when to stop a fight is bad. The Brock "incident" was good reffing, and I haven't seen really any other mistakes from Maz except shitty stoppages.
"You made your decision, now live with your decision"
nah that was yves lavigne or how ever the hell you spell it
yves is usually a very good ref. sell/brown fight excluded
by Andrew Keller on Jun 10, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was not sure tho
Now that fight has to be the worst redding of all time. He stopped the fight to early then let them fight again then stopped it to late. I mean even Dana was screaming and hitting the (cage or table can’t remember which one) stop the fight!
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 10, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reffing*
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was Yves Lavigne
who IMO is 3rd best in the world.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was still really bad.
But yeah I will agree he is a good ref. Everyone has bad days at work that’s just the way it is but oft his took the cake lol.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Jun 10, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh yea that was terrible
I remember screaming at the TV the whole time.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're right nnr it was yves.......
but can we pretend it was mazagotti so we have more fuel to bitch about??
O_o
^^THIS^^
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
he is the champ, of course he gets his way
best hw fighter in the ufc, deal with it
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Negative to your negative.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
actually 2 negatives combined make 2 negatives
only multiplied they make a positive. so since no multiplication was implied, we are double negative to the fact that Brock loses, meaning 2nd minute in the first round Brock by TKO
logic never fails
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Free - that logic was worthy of a writing position for future episodes of LOST.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I know right?
I stopped watching Lost after Season 2, but I hear it only got worse and worse, which seems almost impossible to me cause it was garbage then also.
They should totally hire me for my flawless logic, I’d make people happy.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Sorry, AK.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Free - I agree. LOST was awful.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Same here
That show and 24. I was thinking about watching them when they came out, never got around to it, and am happy.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I tried 24
for about half a season. It is painful. Over the top yelling by Jack followed by nothing ever really happening. But, the world is always on the brink.
Yet so many people love them
I like Dexter, True Blood, Family Guy, The Office…Those are good shows.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
you just named two of my favorites
Dexter is awesome. Family guy is classic. I don’t like True Blood, but my girl is all over that show- its basically vampire sex right? :) I kid. But, the times I have seen it, there were always boobies. Tough to go wrong there.
He still blames Mazzagati huh?
lol is he related to BJ Penn? Take responsibility for your actions, Brock… stop punching the back of the guys head when the ref tells you, and he won’t have to stop you.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
waaaaaaaaah!
What a fag. Bad stoppages aren’t rare unfortunately. This one wasn’t even that bad and, he’s complained every time he fights since like this (91 and 100)? I’m glad NSAC said no, even though a different ref ended up drawn for duties, I’m glad they didn’t cater to this BS.
What’s stopping all the fighters from having cry baby fests if they were to allow this silliness to be granted. Grow up.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope my boy rosentha;, the jewish ref, lets Brock give Carwin 5 more hammerfists after Carwin is flapping and tapping
Then let’s see what u have to say about late stoppages.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
the only "late stoppage" that will occur
…is the time it takes Cock Chestnar to shove a tampy up that bloody vagine of his after he gets his whiny ass knocked out.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha I can't wait for all the disappointed Barney fans crying on this site on July 4th
Independence Day in the States will be known as BROCK LESNAR DAY!!!!!
Bullets dodge Fedor.
June 25th...Fedor wins. July 3rd....Brock wins.
You’re in for a great week, freenow.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I can't wait!
I’ve been off Weed for 7 weeks now also, doing a little detox. 26th – 3rd I am smoking my brains out!
Bullets dodge Fedor.
I'll be rooting for Fedor too, I don't like Werdum at all.
So I see my picks doing really well that week. Can’t wait for Fedor/Overeem! Even though Fedor will probably knock him out, I want to see Fedor against a really good striker again.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Ya I would love to see that fight...
I hope it materializes by the end of the year. don’t wanna wait for ages for Overeem to try States again
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Ya I would love to see that fight...
I hope it materializes by the end of the year. don’t wanna wait for ages for Overeem to try States again
Bullets dodge Fedor.
That would suck.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
about 13 1/2 weeks for me
only about 48 more to go. whoopee!
"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."
by mike farmer on Jun 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
"Independence Day in the States will be known as BROCK LESNAR DAY!!!!!"
Wrong. More like, known as BROCK LESS DAY!!!!!
I hope he dies from medically related issues in the cage. :D
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jimbobb its what Mir said not long ago
Or something very similar, I didn’t look up the exact quote. But its damned close if that isn’t it. It cause a big stink on here with a few guys, and I laughed hysterically. Mir makes me chuckle.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im sorry but if youve seen fight science with mir, that 3 seconds longer on a hold could be career ending, thats his life dude
Banky: Stop the movie? What are you, crazy?
Jay: All these assholes on the internet are calling us names because of this stupid fucking movie.
Banky: That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously. Stopping the flick isn't gonna stop that.
Jay: This isn't fair. We came to Hollywood, I fell in love. Fuckin', we got shot at, we stole a monkey, and I got punched in the motherfucking nuts by a guy named Cock-Knocker.
disagree big time.....Rosenthal has one of the highest
early stoppage rates in MMA if you ask me. Too jumpy, hell look at the Joe Riggs-Kazuo Misaki stoppage….i mean wtf was that?!
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jun 10, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have a memory like a fucking elephant. You impress me everytime you comment on shit like that.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
His tats make me feel embarrassed for him
That’s awesome, not this big dumb ass is going to be the Sidney Crosby of MMA too? Now I can add crybaby bitch to the list of reasons he sucks at life.
i like that, the Syd Crosby of mma
Brock “Syd Cry’sby” Lesnar.
House of 1000 Worbses
by daniel worby on Jun 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Take your fucking Crosby shit elsewhere you fucking saskatoon fuck. ; It's not his fault the Oilers only win when they job the fucking rules.
And how quickly you forget that shiny new gold medal that was only won because of a timely backcheck and the OT winner by Sid the Kid.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
btw, ;)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I don't understand his hate for Sid either. He's a fucking Ovechkin fan.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Saskatoon?
Is that in Canaduh? I like Crosby, I was lucky enough to be at his first NHL game ever. It just happened to be on the road against my Devils. Weather he actually is the crybaby he’s known as is irrelevent. He’s got the reputation now, and Brock will too.
My hate for Sid???
I’m a Parise fan. Not Sid, Ovie, or Kovie. I like the kid, he’s a class act and a proven winner under pressure, and lots of pressure. I got no beef with Sid, I wish he was a Devil. When you think of what he goes thru it’s amazing he’s so successful. Nobody, not even Gretzky had to deal with the shit he takes. You can’t deny that he has a reputation as somebody that cries to the refs a lot though. I didn’t start that, I don’t work in the media.
We were talking about Daniel Worby.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
agreed, jay.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
quit wasting time brock
You need to be preparing your fight losing speech and not worrying about which ref you get…the judges can even sit this one out cause your inbred hick ass isn’t making it out of round one…..mur, coutuur….cuurwin
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by salamagogo on Jun 10, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
wasn’t one of his complaints against Mazz that he was tapping and Mazz took to long to stop the fight
if the ogre would have tapped
Instead of looking like he was spanking mir…I think everybody wondered for the first few seconds if he was actually tapping…
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by salamagogo on Jun 10, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
It was a weird tap.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
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