Dana White: 'Diego Sanchez looked soft at 170'
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"I don't think Diego belongs at 170. I think it's easier to be at 170. He looked soft. He looked real lethargic and slow and heavy. [One] fifty-five, Diego. Fifty-five. He's a tough guy. I'm not his manager, but I think he should stay at 155. Listen, a loss to B.J. Penn doesn't mean you go back up to 170. It means you stay at 155 and you do what Kenny Florian did. You stay in there and keep grinding it out and beating the top guys, and you get back in line and work your way up to the top again. Diego does not look good at 170."
Count UFC President Dana White among the many mixed martial arts pundits who believe Diego Sanchez belongs in the lightweight division following his loss to 170-pound rising star John Hathaway at UFC 114 last Saturday night in Las Vegas. "Nightmare" moved down a weight class after he felt he sacrificed too much size as a welterweight and despite a TKO loss to BJ Penn, has a successful run as a 155-pounder. Does the "Hitman" loss indicate he should have stayed where he was? Or was it just a tough loss for a fighter who is still adjusting to the larger weight?
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I thought
When having a quick glance it was Nate Diaz v Sanchez. Then I read the headline. Doesn’t even look like Diaz haha
Class picture all the same though
My dream match-up to see
BJ Penn vs Nick Diaz!!!!! Would only be unreal
As the sport evolves and you get more people doing it,it’s going to get hard to be the little guy. It’s getting to the point where you have to cut 15 lbs+. You could get away with being the small guy when you had better skills, but when the skills are equal, size usually wins. WW was alright for him for awhile but that time has passed.
Good post, goldmouth!
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by OJR on Jun 1, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ha
nice photoshop, jesse!~
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Jun 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
even Arianny
appears to be digging the Sanchez 5.5 version better than the 7.0 version
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by david elbowie on Jun 1, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the headless guy next to Lorenzo? What does he think?
"And where is the Batman? HE'S AT HOME, WASHING HIS TIGHTS!"
O that little guy??
Don’t worry about that little guy…….
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Sanchez only looked slow on Saturday after the Knee..
And he was never cut at 170..
That being said, 155 should be his home, tons of great fights for him, he will never be champ but its definitely where he should be.
Kenny deserves redemption against Diego. Diego needs to go back to 155, rack up some wins, then get defeated by Florian.
"And where is the Batman? HE'S AT HOME, WASHING HIS TIGHTS!"
I think Florian is head and shoulders better than diego now. Diego has gotten stagnant while Florian is alsways getting better.
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by Thats It For you! on Jun 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed goldmouth......
Florian would beat sanches down……
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Diego has never looked good technically, except for on the ground. He needs to get his confidence back and come in like a mad man. He could have won over Hathaway if he fought on the inside but he was too scared and tentative.
So happy Rashad won! Rampage is now riding off into the sunset with another "faker" Tito Ortiz.
Every time he tried to get in close, that jerk Hathaway would punch him.
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How rude!
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
Diego needs to stop jumping weight classes,
I think he is becoming less and less confident about himself. He got absolutely murdered by BJ, so he moves up then gets man handled by Hathaway. His mental toughness is what got him were he is, now he is losing and he looks lost.
whats happening is ...
…Diego used to secure wins with his ferocious pace, that allowed him to dictate the fight. When you accompany that with his rock hard head, he is a tough opponent for the LW/WW divisions toughest of yesteryear. But as the fighters evolve and the sports grown, his intimidation (or to me lack thereof) is wearing thin on the new generation. So as he continues to plateau, he is being surpassed.
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by daniel worby on Jun 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good analysis, Worbs.
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by OJR on Jun 1, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Think of where Diego was when he came out of TUF and think of where he is now. He’s basically the same fighter and hasn’t really changed much at all. Now do the same for Kenny since the show…you have to grow and evolve or you get left behind when the new generation of fighters comes up.
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yea, i'm not a fan at all, but...
…he definitely can produce a brighter future at 155. Trying 170 when 155 is achievable, is kind of senseless. Let your reach and strength work to your advantage, not as a handicap. Perhaps he needs to explore different trainers/skills settings. He has a good build for 155.
Also, I know its an honor, and “zen” thing, but I think this whole “I am one with the earth’s energy, its powers flow through me”, crap is taking himself to too high a level of over confidence that he needs to shed.
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by daniel worby on Jun 1, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am a fan.....
and it was a very dissapointing fight for Diego. I agree with everyones assessment that he needs to go back to 155…..just suck it up and get another win streak going. He really didn’t look like himself. Another thing…i think Diego needs a new camp. I realize the Ribiero’s are BJJ legends, but how often do you see Diego utilize BJJ in his fights?? This is the 2nd fight in a row where their instruction inbetween rounds was horseshit…..i’ve never really liked his new style since leaving Jackson’s camp. I would love to see him go back there, but i’m sure his pride (which in this case is a character flaw rather than asset) will keep him from going back. I loved the way he fought when he was with Jackson, and he needs to get that back. Rogan made a great analogy during another fight on Saturday, when he said that “Steel sharpens Steel.” I think Diego needs to benefit from all the tough dudes over there, or else he will remain stagnant, and ineffective…….anyhow, just my thoughts as i’m a huge Nightmare fan, and really scratching my head over this last performance.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
That and he seriously needs to stop that scowl
he really looks like a douche, he lays it on way too thick
LOL
Definitely. I’m surprised none of the fighters in front of him haven’t let off a slight chuckle about it.
"And where is the Batman? HE'S AT HOME, WASHING HIS TIGHTS!"
Yeah.
Hathaway made him look like an angry teen and took him back to school wherever the fight went. I don’t think Diego looked particularly different than usual, just outclassed. I wish more fighters would throw those quick knees to stuff takedowns and make the other guy regret trying.
maybe its not just that "dirty" belongs at 170..
But that hathaway put a whoopin on him. I want to see a fighter where he feels most comfortable..I mean, let’s face it…its not like he looked spectacular at 155…maybe he just felt he lost more than he gained with the cut…that or bj has scarred him for life and he wants nothing to do with that division anymore..lol
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by salamagogo on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
*scarred literally, and figuritively
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by salamagogo on Jun 1, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now Dana is jumping on the bandwagon
As soon as someone loses they’re either “washed up”, “past their prime”, or they “don’t belong” in whatever weight class they just competed in. Sometimes people just lose.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jun 1, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
+1
What if Hathaway is actually just way better than we thought? I think it’s believeable that Diego just under estimated him.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jun 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i didnt underestimate him
I took him in Mac’s pool and I know he’s a contender. Plus I accompanied that with Diego’s ego, and riding a loss, and knew it all spelled disaster. Hath is a force man.
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by daniel worby on Jun 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it would seem so
This is one of the first times I can recall an English fighter matching and American in the wrestling department! I think he’s a deceptively strong guy, he’s got that long wirey thing going on.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jun 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Rugby seems to be a good base to develop grappling skills
They’re all huge, athletic guys in that sport and I want to see more young crossover stars from rugby go into MMA. Hopefully Hathaway is the start as we produce hundreds of top young rugby players who never make it and I think that they could make a successful transition to this sport.
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by David W-S on Jun 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly I don't know about the rugby thing
I used to play rugby league, takedowns and tackles are a world apart, I would agree that core strength is important in both, but the actual physical actions and strains are totally different. I think if anything it teaches you about where and how to use your weight to your advantage, so I guess there is some cross over, but I don’t think we’ll see an army of rugby playing MMA guys turn up.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jun 2, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly
Would rather see him at 155
You get discouraged after losing to BJ, but what is GSP going to do to you?
There is a lot more fights for him at 155, 170 is full of wrestlers who beat him.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Diego is and always has been a gate keeper
Dana is just speaking the truth. Would you rather him say “Diego is stil a top WW, be sure to buy his next PPV”?
it's really just his opinion
I’m sure Dana doesn’t really know all that much more about what’s going on with Diego than you or I do. Quotes like these don’t really mean all that much, because on face value, we don’t know where or when it came from or what it was in response to. Either way it’s not “truth” it’s opinion. Diego is 21-4 all but one of his losses were decisions and all but one were to top 5 guys 1 of which is/was a p4p candidate, to say he’s just a gate keeper seems a little silly to me. why do you think that?
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jun 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we can ignore the 21-4 record
To me, when you can’t beat any of the top 5 guys, you’re a gate kepper. Just look at his UFC record. Who has he beaten that’s still in the UFC, I see 2?? He’s a product of the Ultimate Fighter hype. Dana is a marketing genuis.
Loss John Hathaway Unanimous Decision
Loss BJ Penn Technical Knock Out
Win Clay Guida Split Decision
Win Joe Stevenson Unanimous Decision
Win Luigi Fioravanti Technical Knock Out
Win David Bielkheden Submission
Loss Jon Fitch Split Decision
Loss Josh Koscheck Unanimous Decision
Win Joe Riggs Knock Out
Win Karo Parisyan Unanimous Decision
Win John Alessio Unanimous Decision
Win Nick Diaz Unanimous Decision
When you lay it out like that I guess you have a point
I still think an in shape motivated Diego is a dangerous guy. I’d love to see him and Florian fight. That probably won’t happen now. atleast not for a while.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jun 3, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Stagnant
Diego:
Back to 155
Change your camp
I don’t care if he is not longer top 5 in any class. His fights used to be exciting. Now, he looks stiff as a board trying to exercise his stand-up.
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The problem isn't Diegos size it's his desire that's the problem
He looked great at 170 originally and really skinny when he first went to LW so I find it funny that Dana is revising history. The problem is that Diego tried to take the easy route back to the top, taking a fight against a no-name at an easier weight to cut because his pride was wounded courteousy of a BJ beatdown. That’s why he came in soft and grossly underestimated Hathaway and that’s partly why he lost. Until Diego regains his lost passion and focus he will continue to lose at whatever weight he fights in.
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by David W-S on Jun 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He defenitly looked better at 155

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by ChuckMastaCheese on Jun 1, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
I just want to see him fight florian so yeah go back down to 155
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