UFC 114 FightMetric statistics for 'Nogueira vs Brilz' controversial split decision
by Jesse Holland on May 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
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Check out the grappling and total performance rating for "Nogueira vs. Brilz" and FightMetric's winner after the jump.
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he got screwed in the decision
but i’m sure he’s happy with his performance and has gained an ass load of fans from this.
I have to agree
Brilz won rounds 1 and 2 for sure!
by Edgecrusher71 on May 30, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed brilz got robbed he surprised me for sure
he might be even more of a winner now though if u get me.
I honestly thought Nog won 29-28.
The first round was very close, but I gave it to Nog due to being more aggressive and his ability to take no damage on the ground and et back on. He was winning the exchanges in the first round on the feet.
What worries me is the fact that he got rocked. I think Sokoudjou knocked the chin out of him, or rather the granite chin out of him, and with his plodding style after the first round last night it became a major concern of him getting knocked out. I don’t know if she came in hurt or just looked old or whatever, but he seemed off and seemed to gas fairly quickly, luckily for him Brilz gassed even harder.
i see how nog won..
but i though brilz won, but its not like he did anyhting nog did’nt do, except the choke and rocking him(which is big). but that fight was mostly dictated by nog..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
yea he did reverse positions alot
and at one point i thought he was about to tap and he waived the ref off, that was some hardcore shit right there. i still felt Brilz won… probably more because Nog should have raped him and didn’t. The guy was holding his own really well in there and I’m sure surprised everyone.
the "Surprise" factor is what me and Jay were saying that won over people
Nog 1 and 3, Brilz big on 2.
And dude, if Soko “knocked the granite out of his chin”, then he would have surely been hit and rocked by someone else by now right? The Soko fight was many fights ago. I think it was just a case of Nog laying off a bit after Forrest pulled out, and taking the guy lightly.
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez -- I called it. Next prediction -- Matin Kampmann submits Paulo Thiago
Counting down the days till Shogun vs Rogerio 2 (which now seems to have increased dramatically)
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by Synyster_08 on May 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the guillotine and the punches he landed where all in the 2nd round, should have been a 10-8 round.. Nog won rds 1 & 3, final score 28-28.
jersey shore!
I was surprised when they gave that 10-8 Round to Hathaway in the first
But I do think he deserved it though. They should just stop giving 9 just because a guy survived a round.
i disagree..
to get a 10-8 it seems u must dominate the whole round, i usually get the feeling wen i see a 10-8, and i did’nt get that feeling at all from either guy, and remeber subs don’t get any points for sum lame ass reason so his choke did’nt get him any. which is bullshit how if a guys on top and the bottm man goes for 30 subs from the bottom, the guy on top will win, i think its lame but watever..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Submissions should be scored and the scoring system will be flawed until they are
Ultimately the judging depends on who you gave round 1 to, I personally gave it go Brilz but itcould have gone either way. Jason looked great in the second round and performed well throughout but I wouldn’t say that he was robbed, he simply lost a close decision to a massive favourite.
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by David W-S on May 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
striking vs submission and everything that comes with that should be the whole thing in scoring a fight so not scoring subs is insane. getting a take down is really just what it is, a standing fight going to the ground, it’s no guarantee that the man taking the fight down wins, it’s subs vs striking again.
jersey shore!
i thought the same thing
say it aint so
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Fightmetric...
Is flawed. It is not based on a 3 round, 10 point system as far as I see. Nog pushed octagon control and was more agressive (another thing Fightmetirc does not measure)
by JpB J2 on May 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I stand corrected. Did not see the bottom tabs. However, the latter part of my statement I believe is true
by JpB J2 on May 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing I don't like about Fightmetric is
It only score the fight as a whole. Instead of cutting it down round by round by doing this u would have no choice but to agree on a winner of the fight. But there will alway be flause in scoring a fight. I for won am sick of a fight being scored on a single td in each round. If u look at the Shogun nd Machida 2 fight everyone I know was scoring that round for Machida until he got knocked out why? What I was watch is Shogun getting the better of him standing then Lyoto taking him down twice BUT Shogun getting straight back up. That is only one of the issues that we need to go through until we stop getting bad results at the end of the fight. Cause if it dosent happnen mma will never grow as much as it should which would be a real shame.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They break it down rd by rd. They give a score for each round and they give a final score
one using the 10 pt must system and then their method. I prefer their method by a long long shot.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Do they lol I've never been on to there site.
The way it posted on mania is the way I thought they post it there ( the fight as a whole). Now I just feel silly haha.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats why on the last screen shot it says 10-point winner and Fightmetric winner
10 point must gave it a draw, Fightmetric gave it to Brilz
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez -- I called it. Next prediction -- Matin Kampmann submits Paulo Thiago
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head over to FightMetric
this is just a snapshot, they go into much more detail on their site
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by Jesse Holland on May 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers will do Jesse.
Cheers will do Jesse. Ur doing a great job man honest to god I don’t think a day has past in like at least a year where I haven’t been on mania checking up on the latest news. I alway went to junkie but then a friend told me about mania and it just so much better and everone seems to have such a good laugh with each other. Keep up the gd work.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A takedown is an OFFENSIVE move. Standing back up is Defensive, thus how can you give points to a guy who get taken down repeatedly, yet cannot offensively counter a takedown?
by JpB J2 on May 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When Lyoto took him down that is all he done.
He didn’t do any damage there for when Shogun got back up and started tooling him on the feet again I was going to give the round for shogun. What I am saying is yes td score points but u have to do somthing with ur td not just simple use a td to steal the round. I think we all know that td are what knock down are in boxing u get one in a round and is just about urs.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
like i said b4, takedowns is you putting the fight where you want it to be so its your attack which shud score you points, but then shud that mean that strikers get points for simply standing up just because thats where they want the fight??
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Am not saying td should not score u points
What I am saying is it shouldn’t be held at such high standards like a knock down is in boxing. I understand that too take the fight to the ground is a skill in it own but it is also a skill in it own to get back up defensive or not. And like I’ve said before it not like Lyoto done anything on the ground he just managed to get the td therefore he steals the round. Which is just somthing I don’t agree with.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea i know and i agree with u..
im just trying to shine sum light on wat the logic of this shit is, i beleive thats the reason y wrestlers do so well in the UFC..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Agree
I don’t think anyone will argue that point as just about all the ufc greatest Champs had a Wrestling background. Hughes GSP (dosent have a wrestling background but is one of the best wrestlers in the sport today) Randy Chuck Tito etc.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah not a total robber cuz the first was so close
but still a minor theft
by theworldismine on May 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Where are the NOG fans now
Everyone was calling me a RA-TARD for ggoin with Brilz! I told ya!
RAMPAGE DESTROYS SOULS & Anderson SIlva is GOD... But Jon Jones Will B Champ Soon
Brilz lost and didn’t dispute it post fight. Thus, you wrong
by JpB J2 on May 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mai
I saw your post a few days ago and I also saw a bunch of folks dogging on you for your prediction! I am not one of those folks! I kind of smelled an upset to be honest, but, I sure as hell didn’t see anything like this unfolding. I said that “I am worried Nog is going to get wrestled to a UD loss”. I didn’t think Brilz was going to hang in there and threaten with submissions and such. It was a good show and think Brilz is going to pick up a bunch of fans from his performance. Its not a total loss for him tho, his stock sky-rocketed, his name got substantially bigger, and he banked $65k for his troubles.
by Thunder Biscuit on May 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i was thinkin lay n pray
but he came to win. i really tip my hat to him. to b honest i didnt kno much about him, i did a lil research n watched a few older fights of his but i didnt see much more than a good wrestler.. I wanna see what Dana does nex with him. I dont want to see a rematch AT ALL but i would like to see Brilz and Forrest in December
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cmon man....
Brilz won the fight. He lost because of the Fame of lil NOg..
RAMPAGE DESTROYS SOULS & Anderson SIlva is GOD... But Jon Jones Will B Champ Soon
and
as a REAL fighter you dont cry after a loss, u accept it and tip your hat to you opponent.. THEN go in the back when the cameras are gone and Break somthing! haha
RAMPAGE DESTROYS SOULS & Anderson SIlva is GOD... But Jon Jones Will B Champ Soon
how come judges always side with the big names & the champs
Brilz clearly won that fight just like shogun won the first fight with Machida i wonder if it was the same judges
he did'nt clearly win..
it was close, i wud’nt be suprised if u said the same if nog lost, and besides most ppl who watch machida/shogun say machida won..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
*rewatched..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
i never said he did'nt win..
i said he did’nt clearly win, i think he won but its not like hes obviously won imo..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
he clearly won
Round 1: Both men measuring distance early. Nogueira quickly figures it out and lands a hard knee to the body to open. Nogueira with a leg kick. It was the opening Birlz was looking for. He snatches it and puts Nog on his back. Nog looks for the sweep, uses it to get upright. Brilz snatches a guillotine, but Nog pulls free. Brilz with some punches from the back and ends up on top of Nogueira again. Nog slips out the back door and takes Brilz down. Nog lands punches from the side. Brilz breaks free and gets to his feet. Well played by both sides early. Brilz slips under a hook and tries another takedown. This time Nogueira stays on his feet. Very close round. I it for Brilz, 10-9.
Round 2: Brilz goes for the takedown and falls into a guillotine. A few tense moments, but Brilz escapes. Brilz returns the favor with a guillotine of his own. The two roll around the cage as Nogueira tries to escape. Brilz holds it for at least a minute, but Nog won’t tap. Brilz ends up on top. The upset alert is now officially on. After the grappling session finishes, the two are back to their feet to a nice pop from the crowd. Brilz fires off a right as they turn off the cage. Brilz lands another hard right and Nogueira clearly winces. Brilz tries a takedown but Nog breaks free. Knee to the face from Nogueira, Brilz answers with a combo that rocks his opponent. Crowd is eating up this underdog story. Brilz again, 10-9.
Round 3: Another takedown from Brilz. Nogueira sweeps and ends up on top. Brilz breaks free. Brilz drops for the ankle pick, Nog feeds him some punches and pulls away. With two minutes left, Nogueira tries to set up a d’arce, but Brilz sees it coming. Back to their feet. Nogueira with a left, Brilz shoots again, but Nog ends up on top. Nog gets crucifix from the back. Brilz eats some leather but escapes as the crowd goes wild. Thirty seconds left. Nog reverses now as wild momentum shifts continue. Nog powers out some elbows as the round runs out. Both men raise their hands. I score the round for Nogueira, 10-9.
its my opinion, im not gonna let u tell me im wrong and shit, the judges saw it that way too, im not saying he shud hav lost im just trying to open ur closed mind..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
It's a lost cause guyverbob.
I went through the same thing with Machida/Shogun; I tried to say it wasn’t as big of a robbery as it was made out to be and the fight was actually very close.
All it does is get people worked up; very rarely does it actually change or open up anybody’s mind.
I was about to reply to gumbo, but then I read your post Phevos
You are right, not worth it.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
I agree with most of you
But you could look at this from a whole other perspective. If you swap the rounds around. If nog would’ve come out in the first round and performed as he did in the third round (the groundgame, the sweaps, the cruisifix and the subattempt) and Brilz would have performed as he did in round 1-2 in rounds 2-3.
Because now you can argue that Brilz came out strong but than lost because he gassed or wathever. Which is the case. IF the fight would have continued, Nog probably would win by some stoppage. But if Brilz would have had the second round as the third round you can argue that he would have won, had the fight continued.
But now, of course, we have a round/point-scoring-system and if you look at it from that perspective. Brilz definitily won the fight… Even though he really didn’t.
But I also had Machida against Shogun and BJ against Frankie and both of those guys would, arguably, have lost – had the fight continued. And lately, I beginning to think it’s a better way to score a fight. Which guy, at the end of the fight, is beating up the other guy.
Just a take on things, feel free to critizie.
Huge rip off! I feel bad for Brilz. I had him for a unanimous decision.
Who oversees the judges? Who decides who gets to be a judge and makes sure they don’t have vested interests? maybe the ufc should switch to two ounce gloves if these retards are allowed to judge. So it doesn’t go to their handicapped decisions. Seriously, was Helen Keller judging?
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