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UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre broke the news that he will be spending some quality time with world renowned boxing trainer Freddie Roach in the very near future.

"Rush" told Jim Rome on his nationally syndicated radio show that he will be flying to California today to begin training at Roach's Wildcard Gym in Hollywood.

Roach, best known for his training of seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao, is coming off his supervision of yet another masterpiece less than a week ago on May 15. He was in the corner of trainee Amir Khan as he made his stateside debut at Madison Square Garden in New York. "King Khan" recorded an 11th round TKO victory to retain his WBA world light welterweight title after a dominant performance over challenger Paulie Malignaggi.

This will certainly not be the first time Roach has helped MMA fighters fine tune their "sweet science" repertoir. Anderson Silva, Andrei Arlovski, Gegard Mousasi, and Dan Hardy have all trained under his watchful eye in the past.

It will be interesting to see if the extra standup training pays tangible dividends for GSP in the future, who has been criticized recently by fans and pundits for not being able to finish fights. 

Click here to listen to a snippet of GSP's interview with Rome in which he addresses his "conservative" fighting style. (Props: Jim Rome's Twitter Page)

GSP is scheduled to defend his title in a rematch against Josh Koscheck at a date and time to be named later.

Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for further developments.  

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Not Freddie Roach!!!

by frosnt1 on May 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha

Being an Arlovski fan, the very first thing I said when I saw this was “Oh no!”

Freddie Roach is great boxing coach, but, he’s overrated in MMA.

by Craig15 on May 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Really

His style and boxing teachings just hasnt adapted into MMA. Overrated I think not, Andrei does have great hands. Did you forget Freddie trained Mousasi before the Babalu fight and Dan Hardy before the Davis fight.

by AintNoSunshine on May 20, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way...

GSp needs to get confident in his stand up again!

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!

by Oswald on May 20, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he outstrikes every opponent.

He just doesnt keep it standing for very long.

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 20, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True that.

Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

by Yan117 on May 20, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't outstrike...

them at first. He has to take em down and wear them out first. He did that with his last 3 fights. Hardy laughed at GSP when he hit him.

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!

by Oswald on May 20, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh dont hang on the laugh

he dropped Alves.

If you get hit but dont get rocked, sile and try to get your opponent thinking “shit that was my best shot”

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 21, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually when a guy smiles or shakes his head it means that the strike hurt

Occassionally you get guys who laugh at their opponent because their striking was so weak e.g. Hendo/Bisping but usually it means the opposite. GSP may very rarely use his striking nowadays but it’s far from weak.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 21, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see any smiles on Hardy's face from the 3rd round onward

In fact it looked like he didn’t even want to go out for the last 2 rounds because he was getting beat at every aspect of the fight.

Hey - who cuts your hair?

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by hairybumcrack on May 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps this is a little inclination that he plans to stand with kos

……….for at least part of the round

never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do

by child on May 20, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

and who the hell is voting kos in the poll? ur crazy!

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha I voted Kos cause I can't stand GSP :)

Obviously GSP is gonna win by another lay-and-pray, as he is much stronger and a much better wrestler regardless of Kos credentials.

No chance GSP will stand with him any more than with Hardy.

The Demolition Man Rises! I am but a fool non believer. I’m so sorry BZ and NNR – Apparently Horsemeat sandwhiches do make you a F*n Destroyer!
Uberreem > Brock & Fedor in 2011.

by freenow82 on May 20, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I’m the biggest non fan of GSP, but I couldn’t vote against him

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he will (at least more than any of his last 3 fights)
No chance GSP will stand with him any more than with Hardy.

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lay and Pray??

This is the most horrible excuse I have ever heard. Everyone knows that Georges is a world class wrestler/grappler, if they don’t wanna spend the night on their back, they should learn to wrestle. Don’t call it lay n pray just cause his opponent doesn’t have a clue about the most important martial art in mma……………

Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.

by Dragon101 on May 21, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

be careful GSP

Freddie hasn’t done too well for AA! while he’s arguably the best boxing trainer, I’m not sold on his “mma striking” which like it or not, is different! GSP supposedly (according to canadians) has the best striking. I honestly have forgotten what his striking looks like (other than his constant use of superman punches

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

WHATEVER!

IF GSP can spare with Amir Khan this is going to get OFF THE CHAIN!!!

Come on people… this is the best getting better. Wow.

The REEM is REAL and Fedor will Fall. ~ Muwahahaha !

by Bigger Zino on May 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not so sure

boxing and mma striking are vastly different… for example in boxing you never wanna square up to your opponent but in mma you pretty much have to in order to keep from getting taken down. unless freddie adjusts for the various differences such as this it might take GSP out of his comfort zone and get him thinking too much, imo

by panthro on May 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

noooo BZ

Freddie is a legend. I love the dude. He’s a boxing savant. The man is a striking guru. But when it comes to helping people develop their MMA striking, it just doesn’t transition very well. Stance, head movement, hand location, footwork…its all different from boxing to mma. And not just cause of the additional risks of getting taken down or kicks…but because of the added arsenal one is able to use as well. GSP is a “take you down and punish you” guy…the stance that freddy is famous for isn’t for people who WANT to shoot in.

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by Onemansyn on May 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised to hear u say this BZ

While Freddie is a great boxing trainer, he isn’t proven in mma, and like panthro points out, it’s a different ball game!

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

AA’s trainers think that Freddie altered too much of AA’s technique and that’s why he’s not as an effective striker…as in power…not accuracy. His sambo striking is what got him to where he was but after training with Roach…his hands are not the same at all. I don’t think this is a good move for GSP at all.

"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."

by Buster Bluth on May 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP heading to Roach makes me think

He expects KOS to go back to his roots and change his training from 10% wrestling to maybe 60. KOS is the best pure wrestler in the game and i think GSP is expecting not being able to take him down much this time around and knows, perhaps, this fight will take place on it’s feet!

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about not being able to take him down

but if it’s true that Kos spent no time wrestling in preparation for GSP the first time, and is going to go back to his roots so to speak in this fight, I think it’ll be a lot more competitive than most of us think!

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

as do i

KOS sid and has always said his training 10% wrestling 90% stand-up (not sure where his JJ is lol).

He most certainly will be “going back to his roots” and ive said i dont how many times theat KOS is the only one in WW capable of beating GSP. Do i think he will? probably not. But it will be competitive.

and as far as TUF goes. KOS has spent his entire life being coached and coaching. He’ll make one hell of a coach for the up n comers!!

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i’m sure Freddie didn’t teach Andrei to move straight backwards with his chin up in the air, that’s a big no-no in boxing, you’re supposed to circle out. Getting to know new techniques is always good so GSP going to train with Freddie is only gonna do him good.
Also what you do and learn in training is never going to be the same in a match situation and obviously you don’t have to do what you trained, just take the knowledge and do your own thing with it.

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by RoBerto. on May 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always look forward to ur boxing insight Roberto

i had a question for u earlier but forgot, itll come back to me!

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Training with quality boxers and a world class training will do GSP a lot of good, he’s a much more intelligent fighter than AA so he won’t make the same silly mistakes in his striking or devolve into a mediocre boxer, instead he’s just taking advantage of some top training to improve on his hands.

I’m surprised that more MMAsts don’t try to train with quality boxing and kickboxing camps, it would help their striking a lot. Until they do, striking in MMA is always going to be inferior to grappling (with a few notable exceptions).

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's going there to learn

defense. Maybe he wants to counter Kos “devastating right hand (to be read aloud in a sarcastic tone of voice)”. GSP seems to have adapted the jab and a straight right hand pretty well, but it would be cool to see him use some other techniques including boxing d.

by DH. on May 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

could this be the kiss of death for GSP?

freddie hasnt done too well for anyone in mma, he didnt mesh at all with silva and AA just keeps losing so i’m not sure about this one.

by panthro on May 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really troubling news for GSP fans. I really hope GSP doesn’t try to change his style because of Freddie Roach advice. Stick to boxing, Freddie.

by frosnt1 on May 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are outside your minds

No one bats an eye when a guy goes to Thailand to train MT or to Brazil to train in a gi. In fact they are always commended. What is different here? He’s training on of the pure disciplines of the sport to help round out his game and he’s going to arguably the best guy for the job. He’s not gonna start fighting in a boxing stance. Think of it as cross training.

by Crowls on May 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

by SouthCaliStunNa on May 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because a lot of MMA fans seem to hate boxing

GSP has always cross-trained with the best possible guys in each discipline, this is just another example of that. I’ll never understand the silly rivalry between MMA and boxing fans, I don’t see why we can’t enjoy both sports.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it won't

St. Pierre is a smart fighter, he’ll only use what he’s taught if it will work without putting him at risk.

by southpaw447 on May 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is very smart in his game preperation indeed.

And THAT is his major strength.
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He can do this:

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He can do that:

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He can even try some of these too:

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While never getting tired.

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Koscheck will be doumdfounded. Again.

Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

by Yan117 on May 20, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you forgot that kos can do this to gsp and is th only one who as ever done this

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by HellaHectic on May 21, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly,

he will take bits of knowlefdge from roach and use it to his advantage. i dont think roach will coach him to the point where he completly changes everything.

fuck koschek.

l'm not afraid of anybody. Especially not Nick Diaz. -GSP

by Newfie3 on May 20, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson also trained with Roach.

I think there’s exception in this case.
The take is learn boxing without leaving MMA like Arlovski did.

"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights

by Eduardo Cruz on May 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson was already a great striker and had already adapted his striking to MMA

he went to Freddy because he still has boxing aspirations. I bet you he didn’t bring anything from what he learned from Freddy into the cage.

On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

by Onemansyn on May 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Anderson didn’t get “greater” because of Freddie. Anderson is a great Muay Thai fighter. Training with Freddie probably changed or improved his game little to none at all.

by Craig15 on May 20, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

still guys, knowledge is power.

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by RoBerto. on May 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not like training with the best boxing trainer in the world in Roach will make you a bad fighter

The only case for that is AA and even then it is AA’s stupidity, glass chin and weak mind that cost him his recent fights not training with Roach.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, you take one example AA, who actually does have good stand up btw

He’s just the same guy anymore. How can you post such a retarded comment.

by Merkaba on May 20, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

U forget Arlovski

was picking fedor apart until he made the stupidest mistake… It takes time for anyone to get good at boxing u moron. Freddi will do great things with GSP if he stays with it. It took Manny Pacquiao 8 years to get where he is. Thats like saying ATT is over rated because Kimbo doesnt win.just because he spent time training there.

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by The real ZACK on May 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freddie

If I am not mistaken, he trained:

Dan Hardy before his Marcus Davis fight
Gegard Mousasi before his Babalu fight
Andrei Arlovski before his Rothwell & Fedor fights
Anderson Silva before his Thales Leites fight

Mixed results, obviously, but he’s not going to morph these cats into boxing studs spending probably no more than a handful of days with them.

by Derek Bolender on May 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Also trained

BJ Penn & Tito Ortiz at one time or another.

by Derek Bolender on May 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

It depends how much time they spend with Freddie I suppose and how much they take away from the time spent with him and how they incorporate his techniques with their own.

"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."

by Buster Bluth on May 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA was grasping for solutions

GSP is refining his craft. I don’t see GSP regressing in this situation. Im pretty sure he knows what pays the rent as far as his primary skill sets.

MASSIVE difference.

The REEM is REAL and Fedor will Fall. ~ Muwahahaha !

by Bigger Zino on May 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP's a much smarter fighter than AA

He knows his strengths and his opponents weaknesses and takes advantage of them in every fight.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will we finally get to see his striking after training with Freddie?

Doubt it. Expect same old takedowns whether facing a wrestler or not.

by LLC on May 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

In my opinion this seals the fight for GSP

Its not like he’s trying to retune his boxing like somebody said, he’s trying to learn more and improve. GSPs also probably the biggest perfectionist in the UFC, so when he does something he commits, and thats what Freddie Roach and any great coach requires. This wont do anything to his game plan is my major point; it will only improve the standing aspect of his game tremendously.

by theworldismine on May 20, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Be careful?

GSP is no idiot, and neitheir is Roach. I highly doubt GSP is looking for Roach to overly adjust his overall striking technique, and I doubt Roach is looking to turn GSP into a boxer.

Boxing, and MMA striking are different, but footwork, basic head movement, handspeed etc all crossover, whether it is kickboxing, boxing, MMA striking etc. Of course there are differences. But, I can only see this as a positive, I see this as an already fantastic athelete and fighter taking another step to becoming even more dominant. I would love the opportunity to train with a coach as talented as Roach.

I’m excited to see how is already crisp standup technique improveds from this training. If his handspeed improves, and he can improve on his already fantastic jab, his overall game is going to become scary.

As for a prediction for the fight. GSP will be on his back at somepoint, I doubt Koscheck will do significant if any damage. If Koscheck beleives he will be able to defend GSP’s takedowns, he has already lost this fight, he will be getting taken down. I see no where Koscheck can win this fight. GSP is to smart, to atheletic, and simply better in every aspect of MMA.

by SiamMMA on May 20, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Cant count out the KOS

idk i think Koscheck has a better chance of beating GSP than his last 2 opponents lol

by Mr.MMA on May 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probabaly Hardy but I wouldn't say Alves

Don’t forget that Thiago earnt a title fight by destroying Kos in their fight, so you can’t dismiss his talent or how big of a threat he was to GSP.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

kos took that fight on 2 weeks notice....alves had a full training camp, kos had a 2 week training camp

if that fight takes place today i think it has a different result…

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by HellaHectic on May 21, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kos shouldn't have taken the fight if he couldn't perform to his best

It’s his own fault for taking fights regularly and on short-notice, I refuse to use that as an excuse for his losses because he didn’t need to take those fights and clearly the risk backfired.

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kos took that fight on 2 weeks notice? hahah, he was already training for the Yoshiyuki Yoshida fight. He was in shape… Thiago won fair and square. The NCAA champ couldn’t take down Alves!

by The Brown Eminem on May 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS IS TROUBLE FOR THE DIVISION

If GSP can Stick with Freddie for the remainder of his Career then he will Become one of the greatest if not the greatest. ALL you People that are saying Freddie has had mixed results fail to fucking realize that it takes years too become a great boxer.. these guys train with Freddie for maybe one fight and thats it. They probably dont want to spend the money because i hear he is expensive. All u MMA Fanboys need to realize that With time GSP will Def be a way better fighter than if he was traing with an MMA/Boxing coach

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by The real ZACK on May 20, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Freddie Roach knows his shit

I think only good things can come from this collaboration.

There have been a few comments insinuating that “boxing striking” isn’t applicable to MMA due to stance and whatnot. I suggest you guys take a look at JDS. He seems to be doing pretty well incorporating boxing techniques into his performance.

by The real Philo on May 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

so you have one example where it's worked

and I’m still not sold on JDS. We’ve come up with a lot of examples where “good boxers” don’t do well in mma.

different point: have you guys ever seen the video clip of Aleks emelianko telling AA how he drops his hands and leaves his chin out there and AA says something like “i think I know what I’m doing.”

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Daley worked for striking, couldn't defend takedowns worth shit...

And Rashads pretty good in a boxers stance but he also uses wrestling. JDS is the best example by far though.

by theworldismine on May 20, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I'm saying is

GSP can get away with a move like this because he’s one of the best overall mixed martial artists ever. I just don’t wanna see this as a trend. While Freddie Roach is arguably the best pure boxing trainer, throwing hands as a boxer is different than in an mma match, I don’t care what any of you say. Boxers don’t need to worry about kicks and take downs. In my opinion, Roach got AA believing so much in his boxing that he got too over confident (flying knee from 10 feet away) to the point that AA got beat standing by a guy that isn’t necessarily known to be a striker.

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing hands is throwing hands, regardless

He isnt going to go to Roach and look to change the way he moves, or the way he stands, and if he does it will be minor adjustments. As a boxing trainer, he is going to look at GSP’s strengths as a striker, for one his jab is excellent. He will look to put together different combinations, and work on his movement, handspeed and overall technique. The punching technique displayed in MMA does not differ from boxing. A jab is thrown in the exact same fashion, as is a cross etc etc. I dont see the fuss over this, nearly all MMA fighters will work with a boxing coach, this just makes news cause this pairing are well known. (Roach in boxing circles and GSP in MMA)

And the AA example doesnt make sense, by all accounts it seems AA was landing the majority of meaningful strikes, meaning the techniques he may or may not have learnt from roach were in fact, working. The flying knee had nothing to do with working with Roach. It was a brain snap from AA in the heat of the moment.

by SiamMMA on May 20, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen brother

 Very well said. And for the record I will be surprised if kocheck wins, gsp is just a better fighter, period. But this is MMA….it happens. Also like I said before, I think koscheck has a better chance than anyone else at WW of beating gsp. With that been said I think his chances are not so hot, but I could be wrong, like I often am.

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- GSP

by nathang on May 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA got KO'd because of am ill timed thai technique

not anything related to boxing. I don’t think over-confidence in his boxing had anything to do with his decision. If AA was happy with his boxing to that point, why did he go away from it. I think it was a dumb decision related to showmanship

by DH. on May 21, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've missed those examples, still a newb

But really, they have to be more than “good boxers”, or they’ll almost certainly get their ass handed to them by someone with a more complete attack. GSP has already demonstrated that he’s capable in most aspects of MMA, and having an accomplished boxing trainer like Freddie school him should only serve to elevate his game.

by The real Philo on May 20, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

One other thing

Assuming your examples regarding the “good boxers” not doing well are valid, that still doesn’t nullify the success of those who make it work. So, your argument doesn’t hold for me. There are a lot of fighters who try techniques and fail, but that doesn’t mean others don’t excel using the same methods (successfully).

by The real Philo on May 20, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent and think this move will be fine for GSP

He is an amazing wrestler already, so he’ll have basically just be adding better technique to his boxing/stand up/ We are in a agreement on this topic, my point is guys that already have (as I call it) GOOD stand up, need not go to Roach, but rather go someplace like Couture’s gym or another to notch wrestler. A guy like AA for example, what exactly did he gain from Roach other than being overly confident in his stand up? Someone like AA (or Daley is another good example) are better off going somewhere and really working hard at take down defense and wrestling rather than focusing on something that they are already pretty good at. AA had good stand up years ago, but has never evolved as a mixed martial artist. In a nutshell, GSP is one of the few guys in mma that will benefit (probably) by going to train with Roach

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock would also benefit with someone like Roach

he’s already “top of the food chain” in his wrestling and is a very fast learner, so him going to train with the best boxing coach would be a scary thing!

by kevjack115 on May 20, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont even want to think of what brock would become after training with a boxing coach and becoming a true striker

that just wouldnt be fair…

can u imagine taking JDS and brock and having a hybrid of the two of them?? wtf could u do with that??

i mean seriously….a hybrid of JDS AND BROCK…wtf could you possibly do to a beast like that??

you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...

HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...

by HellaHectic on May 21, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Retire

"Kimbo Slice sucks like I've been saying for the last few months, this fucking guy can't fight and he got knocked out in 13 seconds" (Dana White)
"The one thing we know about Kimbo Slice, this guy is a fighter, this guy will come to fight" (Dana White)

by David W-S on May 21, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

gsp should hire paul daley to do his shit talking this time around.

i would love to see a full tuf season of daley talking smack to kos.

pumped to see gsps training techniques

l'm not afraid of anybody. Especially not Nick Diaz. -GSP

by Newfie3 on May 20, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

"I believe if I'm at 100% dat nobody....Nobody can andle my riddum at my weight class".
- GSP

by nathang on May 20, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding another....

tool to GSP’s toolbox if you ask me. GSP might be the best learner in MMA- he’s always going to new locations, with new experts to stretch him and his technique. GSP knows how to “eat the meat and spit the bones” in his training- he’s not google-eyed going to Freddie Roach. He’s going because he’s someone who has something to teach him that he can get better at.

As for Koscheck being the best pure wrestler in MMA, there are some other’s I would put ahead of him in a heartbeart, including GSP, Randy, Brock, Carwin and a few others too. He may have killed it in college, but there aren’t many occasions since he turned pro that I remember his wrestling dominating and completely outclassing his competition.

In some respects, Kos reminds me of a younger BJ who was content with his natural talents and didn’t work as hard to sharpen them as he could have. I think he’s come a long way, but I don’t think he has the tools that GSP does or the drive to be better.

I think the man to beat GSP will want it more than he does- Hughes looked like he’d never lose at welterweight until GSP got hungry and overtook him. Kos just wants people to look at him- I think he’d be a one and done type champ.

by Paulska on May 20, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

ah going to take the BJ Penn Route

smart

Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?

by BJPennfan on May 20, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I picked gsp, obviously, but only time will tell

 Who the hell knows what will happen. IF koscheck out grapples gsp for 5 rounds it would shock the hell out of me. IF koscheck subs gsp it would shock the hell out of me. IF koscheck ko’d gsp it would shock me. Gsp is too seasoned to be get ko’ed by kos IMO, I guess I just have a hard time seeing kos winning. For kos to win he has to have a very good night and gsp would have to make some stupid mistakes.

"I believe if I'm at 100% dat nobody....Nobody can andle my riddum at my weight class".
- GSP

by nathang on May 20, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Man you are a straight up douchebag

Listen I come to mmamania.com to get my news on mma,to see what people think of the fights and to have a couple laughs about the gifs and such,But man Ever since you started with this site you have really taken your self way to seriously, With then Ohhh I was a big druggie/drinker back in the day.Oh I bet this much on poker.and My wife is way hotter than these playboy models/I have banged way hotter,NO YOU HAVENT,You sit at your freking computer all freaking day putting bull crap up like your the king of mmamania.com.That is your claim to fame. It started with the whole Morning conversations with Kev thing.You were a complete douche then,You rag on people for having a opinion that isnt your own and sound like a dip shit doing it,No one buys your shit,at least Ihope not,You act like you know all things mma and yet you fail Big time at the fight predictions,I dont know you in real life,Only through the computer but if you are this big of a Nerd on line I cant imagine you being anything other than a dipshit in real life.

by DBG on May 21, 2010 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

you just wrote almost everything Ive ever written

I must be weird, if I hate someone, i dont pay this much attn to them!

by kevjack115 on May 21, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are popular for good or bad, Kev.

I would almost take this as a compliment.

This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S

by jay. on May 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I did

I love it when people that hate me can go back years and quote me, it’s funny! Like I said, when I don’t like someone, I pay no attention to them, but some of these guys that hate me (as OJR calls them, “my fans”) seem to follow my posts around like I’m writing the gospel.

by kevjack115 on May 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read everyones comments

You just come off as as ass sometimes

by DBG on May 21, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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