Rampage Jackson or Rashad Evans? It doesn't make a difference to Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
by Jesse Holland on May 13, 2010 8:18 AM EDT
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"We don't work so hard all year around, we have phases of training, it's like a cycle. My team always takes care of everything but definitely, it's going to be a new challenge for me to defend that belt, because it was a dream come true, I conquered it, and now I'm going to work on my mind to keep my motivation. It can be bad for me but I'm going to work hard so it doesn't affect my performances. I think Rampage [will win], but it's close to 50/50 to me. I'd say 55% for Rampage, 45% Rashad. To me Rampage or Rashad, it doesn't make a difference, they are both top fighters. But a fight against Rampage would be good ... for the pay-per-view. I'm a professional fighter, I never pick my opponents, I'd fight anyone. Anderson (Silva) can be a big challenge to my career, but I'm used to them."
Newly-crowned UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Mauricio Rua looks forward to finding out who will be his first title defense when the two men vying for the spot face off at UFC 114 on May 29. "Rampage" Jackson has already been taken out by "Shogun" when they first met under the PRIDE banner back in 2005. Will history repeat itself? Or will "Sugar" Rashad make sure they never get the chance to find out?
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Shogun vs. Anderson would be epic.........
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
for sure..has it been officially announced that Page/Shad get the next shot?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yeah yesterday Dana said that.............
But you know how it goes, the way I figure if one of them finishes the other they would def get a title shot. But if for some reason they have a 3 round snoozer and rashad happens to pull it off, something else would probably be set up…………..
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Exactly,
it will depend on how the fight goes; though with those two I don’t see it being a snoozer, unless Shad smothers Page for 3 rds in route to a decision.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
But who now for Machida? I’d love to see Anderson/Shogun but I just don’t see it happening. I think we’ll see Machida/Shogun 3 in 2011
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I'm predicting this to be
The beginning of a losing streak for Machida
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
not me...he'll prob figt Page if he loses but what if Page beats Shad...I doubt we'll see Shad/Machida 2
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
maybe Machida vs Chuck/Rich winner if Shad beats Page
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Nah I don't like that fight
After Lil Nog trucks Brilz they should give him Machida; which will be Lyoto’s 2nd carreer loss and probably by TKO stoppage again. I think Shogun just gave everyone the keys to victory there; Machida has an elusive, awkward style but it’s been countered and figured out. Now that guys got tape to study they can see what to look for. Not that he won’t work on his weaknesses but I’ve never seen Machida as some P4P great. I always said he was overrated; a good fighter but not great. Hard worker, dedicated, disciplined, but lacking the natural freak athletic talent that a lot of the greats possess.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Great post Odamn!
I also thought he was a bit overrated, but I also never liked him. I think the first fight was more of a blueprint on how to get to Machida though. Machida was out of his norm with his agression and it paid in the last fight. But yea leg kicks def get Machida out of his cmfort zone. And someone mentioned this the other day and I agree,“Machida doesn’t like to be hit!” His next fight will tell a lot!
If Machida didn't like to get hit he would found a way out of his 1st fight with Shogun. Or he would not have tried to be aggressive with Shogun in the rematch. Sounds like a weak, Machida hating theory to me.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He just got beat.........
no need to throw him under the bus yet……
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
How many fighters can be as agressive as Shogun at LHW and still be effective?
Spider and lil Nog (maybe)?
So a guy who won his first 17 fights has been figured out? Good luck on that gameplan, boys.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I'm not gonna throw him under the bus...
I’m the bus driver; I’m gonna hit him with it =P
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the first KO/TKO loss on his record
Sometimes fighters are never the same.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Please give an example atthe highest level. I can't think of any off the top of my head (seriously).
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
You can't think of fighters that never looked the same after they got KO'd?
Cro Cop never looked the same after Gonzaga; Wand never looked the same after CC; Arlovski was timid/gun shy for a long time after the Sylvia loss; it happens and you don’t know how a guy is going to react until he gets back in there and fights again.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Only time will tell with Machida........
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
No arguments from me, I didn't think hard enough, or maybe my problem was thinking in the first place. :)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Its no secret that Shogun is a true fighter who will fight anyone.
All he wanted was his title, now that he has it Im sure all he cares about is getting the Biggest fights which equal the biggest pay days. He wont ever turn down a fight, and thats all you can ask for out of a champion, and theres really no point in ducking fighters at 205, since the entire division is filled with animals. If you are a fight ducker, your only option is to cut down to middleweight, cause you can avoid animals in the UFC LHW division. The man went toe to toe with the “Invincible” Machida, for a total of 28 minutes, beating him twice….Who the hell is he gonna duck? He grew up sparring with Anderson when Shogun was only like 18 years old, so he wont fear him either. He already beat Rogerio, in an epic fight. He destroyed Rampage. Why would he duck anyone? Does anyone think he is really afraid of Rashad, Forrest or Thiago Silva (who Im sure he has sparred with before at chutebox)?
But they seem to be the turning point in both carreers
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA GURU was saying that the CC KO for Wand and the Gonzaga KO for CC
Weren’t the first times they got KO’d in their carreers; my point was that they were both turning points in their carreers and that you don’t know how a KO loss will effect a fighter until you see them fight again. Basically insinuating that this could have a negative effect on Machida.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about reaching for straws...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol
So you’re not reaching for straws by assuming he will not whatsoever be timid/gun shy or mentally off after being TKO’d for the first time in his carreer? I know it’s just IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen right?
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are overanalyzing Machida after this loss. Period.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Hate to jump in the lovefest but...
CroCop was KTFO by Kevin Randalman way before GG caught him with that head kick. Vitor Belfort DESTROYED Wandy way back in the day in less than a minute. And after the rubber mach with ole Timmy, AA won 5 straight. 4 by KO or TKO from punches. But… you are very right. You never know how someone will come back from something like that.
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes." – Winston Churchill
LOL Found his way out??? Like what? Quit?
And just maybe he was aggressive in the 2nd fight so he could end it….without getting hit. You may not agree, but doesn’t make it any less plausable.
Bow, if he didn't like to get hit, then why did he become a professional fighter? Your theory holds little credibility. Your dislike for his style has skewed your view point.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
He beat the piss outta him!!
by IdontREADthreads-THREADSreadME! on May 13, 2010 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea maybe Machida will turn out to be
an incredably gifted wrestler; he just never knew it before he got KO’d.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Sumo Style UFC, coming to theatres near you.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
The second half of the first fight with Shogun disputes any of your theories. And it does not help your cause when you have admitted that you hate Machida. We will have to agree to disagree.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Haha! At least you and OD are honest. And I really appreciate that, BOW.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Machida got....
sucked into fighting Shogun’s game….That’s where he lost. Machida has the skills to stay relevant, he just got sucked into unfamiliar territory and paid the price. He won 16 fights with his elusiveness he probably wishes he stuck with that since it had worked.
always borrow money from a pessimist, they won't expect it back anyway!
by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Even with a devastating KO
It still doesn’t guarantee Shad or Page the shot. Look at Hendo/Nate. Promises are made due to dominant KO’s then taken away when a newer “more improved” KO causes Dana to open his mouth and say “Well, I think its safe to say we have a new #1 contender”, forgetting other prior statements.
Perhaps Dana should learn to count to 5 in his head before he speaks, lol not trying to be a jerk, but I think he maybe gets a little excited and blurts out things faster then his brain can keep up to say “No man! Don’t say that!”.
I love BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 13, 2010 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.
With dana in charge who the fuck knows whats gonna happen? lol
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
i'm just gonna hold my breath and wait for Andy vs Shogun
Honestly, I can’t think of a cooler match other then a GSP vs Andy at 178 catch.
I love BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 13, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
I doubt they will get Lil nog and machida to square off
Arent they both part of black house? I know Anderson SIlva said he would never fight the nog brothers and machida, so just assuming machida wouldnt fight the nog brothers either.
In fighting and everyday life you should be determined, though calm. Meet the situation without tenseness, yet not recklessly; your spirit settled, yet unbiased. An elevated spirit is weak, and a low spirit is weak. Do not let the enemy see your spirit.
They said they would fight each other if the title was on the line.......
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
I dont kow about the Nog brothers, but Anderson Silva said he would fight either lil or big nog, and machida as well. I remember Machidas dad saying he thought they were professional to fight if a title was on the line. Anderson however has been very vocal about not fighting those guys
"but Anderson Silva said he would fight either lil or big nog, and machida as well"
“Anderson however has been very vocal about not fighting those guys” dude wtf?
by xquisitewretch on May 13, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it when people say a figher is not great
If Machida isn’t a great fighter, who is? People were saying the same thing about Shogun after Forrest and Coleman. It’s like to some fans you’re only as good as your last fight.
And what are the keys to victory against Machida? Be a better fighter? In the second fight, Shogun got taken down but had enough skills to get back up — does everyone have that? Before the flurry that knocked down Machida, Shogun ate a vicious knee to the midsection. Can everyone take that?
Shogun is a great fighter, that’s how he beat Machida. There’s no blueprint out there.
They are saying the only fighter without a opponent at the moment is Forrest......
So I’m guessing Machida vs. Forrest……….Poor Forrest. lol
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
A Franklin/Machida Re-match would be cool and.........
If Franklin could get past chuck and then Machida, give him one last title shot. That’s a big IF, I know…………
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
I forgot about Forest...He's prob wishing lil Nog was going to happen now...haha
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I think Lil Nog owns Machida if they fight
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
its weird how Brilz is in this equation
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Lol No doubt.
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
What if Brilz pulls it off??
You think that might rip a hole in the space time continuum?? lol Nerd talk is fun………..
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
it'll start raining donuts
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Donuts?? I love donuts..........
Looks like I’m rooting for brilz boys. WAR BRILZ!!!!
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...Donuts
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Yea I'm completely overlooking the guy
Hopefully Lil Nog isn’t
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be the biggest upset ever..........
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
About as huge as when Griffin beat Shogun, IMO.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Bigger..........
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Much bigger.....
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I disagree only because I think Shogun is better than Lil Nog. I will leave it at that.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You will leave it by exploring only one end of the equation?
Shogun > lil Nog.
Forrest >>>>Brilz
How does that equate to a bigger upset, or do you think Brilz is better than Forrest?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
How can I look at the other side? I don't know about Brilz. But just because one fighter gets more camera time than the other means nothing. Jardine came in and wailed on Griffin when Jardine was a "nobody". So Q rating means nothing to me.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Jardine was on TUF 2, hardly a nobody.
If you don’t compare the relevancy of the two fights, how can you say that Forrest over Shogun is bigger than Lil Nog over Brilz?
I say it is bigger BECAUSE of Brilz lack of recognition, not his fighting ability. Perception sucks, but if Brilz wins it will be considered the greatest upset in UFC history. (you heard it here first) ;)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Upsets are based on talent or lack thereof. I don't do name recognition as a basis. That's Kimbo fan territory but I get your point. Shogun beat Lil Nog in a head to head match up. Easy for me to side with Shogun being the bigger upset.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I get ya, but it doesn't change perception.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Perception is reality only to the uneducated. But I agree and understand.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You guys want to do a poll? I am very curious.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yes, but I just got a call, can't do the write-up. sorry.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Actually I said that earlier............
Sorry. *Grabs Ulf’s sunshine and runs like hell*
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
No need to run like hell. I lost my speed when I dislocated my knee-cap a few years ago.
But I missed it above, so…
I STOLE DRAGON’S ARGUMENT….:)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Serra or Edgar for the biggest upset
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on May 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
waaaay bigger than that upset
the forest upset was a 7/10….Brilz winning would be a 10/10
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I disagree. That Griffin upset was 10/10, IMO. A TUF guy vs. a Pride guy who had fought a who's who of names. Please.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
But the whole knee injury really took away from the forrest win imo.....
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Thus making it a smaller upset......
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
I agree.....8/10 tops...he had already fought in big fights...Brilz has never even been on a main card
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Time out guys.......
Why are we even wasting time talking about this??
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Sera v GSP was bigger than Forrest.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Lol Fuck you ulf......
for opening up that old wound and pouring salt in it…
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
many apologies, but it ushered in the GSP wrestling era.
and it is the single biggest upset in UFC history
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Nope. It was a top 5 upset. Biggest is Shogun over Griffin.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Oops, Griffin over Shogun.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
not even a championship fight. Sorry, no chance I ever agree.
I smell a poll…
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
mine goes to Penn Edgar
A punch can happen. And apparently did. But I would never, ever see Penn losing a 25 min fight at 155 in the present time. But it happened. Huge for me.
Ps that’s not MY sig. Lol.
I love BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 13, 2010 9:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ding ding ding.....we have a winner!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
So what? If his knee was really that injured then why take any type of fight? I call bullshit on that.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He looked god aweful and gassed by the end of the 1st rd
I thought it was pretty obvious he hadn’t been able to train his cardio + coming off a knee surgery is no picnic.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
It is what it is and he lost fair and square, but knee injuries suck big time……..
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Just saying.....
I don’t know if it was true or not, but if it was, that is just crazy that he would even consider fighting with a blown out knee……….
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
That and I don't see how you can go from
3 rd wars with Lil Nog and Nakamura in Pride with no cardio problems, especially since that first rd in Pride is 10 mins. To gassing in the 1st rd switching over to the UFC. UNLESS, somethings wrong with you.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't buy it. You can barely walk straight with a knee injury but you take a match? Bullshit. Anyway, moving on...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Nah, not injured during the fight
Injured prior to; and in recovery, just saying he was unable to train up to 100% for the fight and it showed.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
To OJR... I can think of 150,000 reasons he took the fight.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Ok. That factor is always present. Fighters don't do it for free. He was healthy enough to compete and he lost to an overrated TUF product. Still a HUGE upset = 10/10.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yea I don't think anyone expected him to lose
I just don’t look back at it as some great win for Forrest.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It got him the title shot, which he won.
How is that not HUGE?
Griffin loses to Shogun and he is forever a gatekeeper that happened to win TUF 1. He wins and will be remembered for a very long time as a champion.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I'll remember has a one pump chump
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
him as*
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So only fighters that become cjhampion and defend it are not chumps?
or is this just Forrest hate?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Fighters themselves actually quote the exact same thing you just said
That’s right; you’re a real champ when you defend the belt, and the guy that won it from him didn’t defend it either.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
most fighters don't ven get a shot, let alone win the fight.
Agree to disagree?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
NEVER
NEVERRRRRRRRRR
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
jardine over chuck as well
Not biggest ever but was a big one imo.
I love BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 13, 2010 9:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seth Petruzelli over Kimbo Slice
It was huge; and I remember the epic commentary “ROCKY IS HERE! ROCKY IS HERE!” chills went up my spine; the night was monumental, completely shocked the MMA community and rocked everyone.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Mauro called it the biggest upset in MMA history.
That seals it for me.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Mauro = the gospel.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Run guys.... I hear OJR coming!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Don't get me started...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
????????
OJ I thought you were a HUGE Kimbo fan?!?!
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Look at my fanpost for MTL. I gave the Kimbo fans a good thrashing. I hate Kimbo as much as you hate Machida.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't think so, OD. Putting aside your contempt for Machida's style, you should consider his accomplishments. Machida is too talented to go on a losing streak just because he got KO'ed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
excuse me...this was an OD, mcarthur, and dragon private convo....LOL
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
To be included ***Tear***
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Haha! Not anymore when I start reading this Machida losing streak blasphemy.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
It's gonna happen OJ
And you’ll be in your living room throwing your hands up and screaming “WHY GOD?!?” just like this:
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
OD ftw.......lol
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Hahaha! No way. Shogun might have his number but that does not mean that the other 205'ers can imitate Shogun's success.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think he will still contend..........
But I think that shogun is for sure his Kryptonite. But man didn’t that article say the other day there was 6 different champs in the past 3 or 4 years?? LHW division is mad packed full of talent…..
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Right, if Page comes in shape he might KO everybody and become champ again. This is def the best division in MMA.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Agreed.
But no way page comes in shape everytime. lol
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Yeah, I think Rashad takes it due to Page's lack of discipline.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I'm climb out on that limb with ya......
I really think shad is gonna pull this off, he is better disciplined and comes from a much, much, much better camp……..
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
Not So Fast...
I agree that Page’s history suggests he hates training HOWEVER he has only lost once since becoming an UFC fighter. His pure talent is still better than most “well trained” athletes ability.
Page can never be taken lightly
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we'll see
The guy had a certain mystique to him before he met up with Shogun. And in a lot of people’s eyes he’s lost to Shogun twice. That’s two recent fights future opponents can look to for answers; the more tape on a guy, the more ammo they can come in with. I think he’s figured out; time will tell, but I don’t expect to see him in the title picture again.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 13, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
luiz cane?
Maybe not..they might want to try an build him again…an he hasn’t fought since lil nog…wtf
You just get that sucker to the designated place at the designated time, and I will gladly designate his ass... for DISMEMBERMENT!
by salamagogo on May 13, 2010 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats another near forgotten name...good call
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Could be possible for sure.........
I wonder why he isn’t scheduled to fight??
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
When Rogan said Machida had hurt his hand before the fight I knew he was going to lose.
I wish Dana would stop announcing title shots to the winner type matches. I think it does affect the way they fight. What if both fighters get banged up? He should just have the best contender at the time that the champ is ready to fight. I think Evans takes out Rampage and also Shogun because he is a true Mixed Martial Artist. His wrestling is the trump card on both those matches.
by Bullybeater on May 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Cane is fighting on May 29
Luiz Cane is fighting Cyrille Diabate at UFC 114 on the undercard. That´s a fight that deserves to be on the main card. I want Machida to build his confidence back up and the way for him to do that is to fight Forrest.
Machida
Machida is still better than everyone else in that LHW division apart from Shogun at this time, I can still see him destroying pretty much everyone when he returns.
" My style is Whoop that ass" - Rampage Jackson
I think if Rampage wins he should get a shot...
But if Rashad wins by decision, he doesn’t deserve it. He got KTFO by Machida and then won razorthin almost getting finished by Thiago Silva, who Machida also owned. Only if Rashad finishes Rampage, he deserves a shot in my opinion.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
It's going to be Rashad.
Rampage got mad boxing skills but Rashad has both punches and kicks. He’ll win the fight and pose a bigger threat to Shogun than Rampage.
I wouldn't make that bet
Rampage also has mad wrestling skills to go with his boxing….and exactly how can a person with no chin (Rashad) beat a guy like Shogun who will test his chin like he did Machida.
I believe Rampage poses the biggest threat to shogun because of #1 his punch defense which is the best in the business and and #2 his chin which is made of granite.
It is much easier to knock out guys who aren’t used to getting hit in the face ie Machida, Rashad, Matt Hughes, and even GSP once.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny how Rashad loses one fight
and now he has no chin. He has been clipped in almost all of his fights and ended up winning them all except for the Lyoto fight. Do you think Thigo Silva has a good chin (boy got KTFO) or are we just haten for the sake of haten lol? I still dont see why most hate Shad, I do understand that when you are the best people want to see you fail, maybe thats it!
I agree,
Page has wrestling but so does Rashad. Page is just a brawler (a good brawler), he cant out skill any of the top guys. Shad is tough and it took the best in the game at that point to hand him his first loss!!
I know you u know better than that
I don’t see how you would call Rampage a brawler. A brawler is someone like Pete Sell or Phil Baroni, Rampage is more technically sound than anyone in his division at boxing.
Besides that, where did I say anywhere that I hate Shad? I believe Page is better and he has been doing it longer and has fought much tougher guys.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If Page ever threw a jab(half of boxings offense) I would say his boxing is good.
Throwing hook after hook is not boxing, it is brawling.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
Haha at least if Rampage hooked Rashad after the bell he would go down
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
LOL!!!!
But we all know he wouldn’t need to throw a hook after the bell to knock Shad down or out.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are talking about Wandy not Page
So you are telling me that Page never throws a Jab??? I got plenty of video of him throwing jabs….There is nothing wrong with throwing hooks if they are effective ( also part of boxing offense) Ask Chuck and Wandy if they are effective. Hooks are still boxing strikes and brawlers mostly wing punches and dont throw hooks see Forrest Griffin Vs Bonnar 1 or 2. That is brawlin!
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
WarriorSaint
Jay doesn’t like rampage therefore he makes shit up about him, but argues with you like its the truth.
Gotcha MMA Guru
Good looking out!
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what you are saying
but I wouldn’t call him a brawler. It’s kind of in between but he does tend to just hook.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on May 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, the word brawler means
something different to Jay. I believe that if the hook is the most effective strike in your arsenal then you would be a fool not to use it. Page throws straights and crosses as well since a hook only works well when you are inside.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My question:
Is anyone gonna hold this belt for longer than one title defense? It’s been a while.
Hadoken!!
absolutely no chance.
theres a reason its been a revolving door at 205 for quite some time now, its the most competitive division in MMA.
btw, does anyone else thing shad is going to just take rampage down and GNP him for 3 rounds to a decision? cuz thats how i see this playing out.
by young kapes on May 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You act as if
Rampage wouldn’t know what to do if Rashad attempted the take downs……Hello Rampage is a wrestler!!!! When was the last time anyone GnP’d Rampage successfully.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he trying to say all Black people are the same?
totally kidding.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on May 13, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
IMO
Wrestlers have the best chance against Shogun. They have much better chance of wearing him down.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on May 13, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
truth.
i mean he was taken down twice pretty effortlessly by machida, who is not well known for his extreme wrestling. styles make fights and while id love to see page vs shogun II, i just have to believe that shad is gonna win both these fights in the same fashion. takedowns and gnp.
by young kapes on May 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He also got right back up twice, and he finished the fight against machida on the ground.
He also got up in the 3rd round against coleman, and then finished him
by TheBiggertheyare... on May 13, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Shoguns BJJ is 2 sick!
I been trying 2 tell people he has so many weapons in his arsenal it don’t matter where the fight takes place he’s the better fighter all around.
by d*locc on May 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
War Shogun!
I wana see page get racked up by shogun, machida, lil nog & bones! I mean fight ;) I think. Evans is guna take him 2.
by d*locc on May 13, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's right, hampage or rashad will get ktfo.
Glad to see the shogun bandwagon has started and the lyoto hype train has been halted.
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Not too sure about that
Shogun’s striking can be overwelming to people who don’t have punch defense but Shogun’s reaching punch style will get him KO’ed with a more technical striker.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Lyoto as technical as they come
Agree, he does get careless at times, but then again that’s everyone. He has implemented high guard on to his game and avoided some of lyoto’s punches. However, it seems like just about everyone get ktfo/tko’ed out at least once…
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Shogun has never been TKO'd or KO'd before, so until someone does u cant really say anything negative about his style
by xquisitewretch on May 13, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Whos said? Lil Pinga or Warrior Saint? NOthing bad, lil pinga said!
I was just giving props to him and his use of the high guard which I might start using myself just need practice. Also, just stating that just about everyone at least get KTFO/tko’ed at least one sooner or later if they have a long a career. If they don’t then they’re one of the few lucky ones. BTW WANDY and SHOGUN FB/NH
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And neither had
Machida until Saturday. Styles make fights and Shogun is a bad matchup for Lyoto. Page would be tough for Machida too because Page is aggressive like Shogun.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I should clarify
technical boxing skills is what Lyoto doesn’t have which is why he got countered…AGAIN I am talking about punch defense combined with countering. Lyoto is technical but not a technical boxer which is why he got clocked, a boxer would have covered up and then thrown the counter hook/jab/uppercut after Lyoto initial strike.
Props to Shogun for standing in the pocket, however Shogun will get countered if he fights a proficient boxer.
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by WarriorSaint on May 13, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, karate doesn't really teach good defense at least when it come to their face, I guess it must
be the reason why lyoto’s stance is about a 110degrees leans backwards when he stands and strikes.
Also, thinking of it more, yeah, gotta agree on the difference between a proficient boxer and someone without that bg. There really isn’t anyone in the LHW division that come close to being a proficient boxer or with a decent enough standup game to do that to shogun. The closest people whose game came close to such was perhaps chuck and lyoto, but both got KTFO.
Oh almost forgot about lil nog, saw the first fight again about a week ago and you’re right, lil nog countered and rocked shogn a few time and vice versa. Great fight, should be interesting if they should fight again, also the spider fight should be interesting or with vitor.
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Be careful what you wish for
Shogun better be careful what he wishes for!!! Anderson is a way better fighter than Machida, and Anderson I think would knock Shogun…. It would be hard for Shogun to attack and counter against Anderson because of Anderson’s movement!!!! It would take Shogun out of his game!!! Forget Vitor vs Anderson!!! After Sonnen vs Anderson, set Anderson up with the winner of the Shogun vs Rampage/Evans fight!!!! Also could throw in winner of Lesnar/Carwin vs Cain? That would be two great fights!!!
Since the last comment was Shogun not being able to handle a Anderson....
Both Shogun and Anderson are very aggressive, very talented fighters both have great jits, knock out power and go for the kill…. This I hope would be a Primetime show… WTF… How did Rashad and Quinton get a Primetime for there battle??? That is bull s…. Machida and Shogun should have had one with there second battle…. Oh well Dana white doesn’t favor the Brazilian fighter…. Hopefully, with the winner of Rashad and Quinton they will have one for Shogun and the winner….
WAR SHOGUN….
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