UFC Quick Quote: Rashad Evans is a 'step backward,' but a nice 'warm up' for Rampage Jackson
by MMAmania.com on May 11, 2010 11:22 PM EDT
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"I want to go get Rashad. Nice warm-up fight, kick his ass. Fight Shogun, redeem myself for my sleep, for my mind. Then go and beat the hell out of Forrest, retire him.... I feel like fighting Rashad is a step backwards, because he doesn’t have the belt anymore. But if things go right, this will be a nice warm-up fight for Shogun. If everything works out it will be nice. Everybody knows I took time off, it would be stupid to go right into a title fight with Shogun so this will be a good test for me. If I lose to Rashad I don’t even deserve to get my belt back!"
-- Former light heavyweight champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson maps out his road back to the top of the 205-pound heap, as well as his plans afterward, in a recent interview with Fighters Only magazine. It's rather ambitious, considering that the new B.A. Barracus "retired" not too long ago to pursue a high-profile role in the "A-Team" remake. Perhaps he realizes that there is a bit of unfinished business to tend to before he heads back to Hollywood. First up is his coaching counterpart on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF), Rashad Evans, in the main event at UFC 114 later this month. After that tune up, Jackson plans to exact revenge on reigning division champion, Shogun Rua, who punted his head into the Japanese crowd under the Pride FC banner in 2005, and then Forrest Griffin, who he dropped a decision to in 2008. Will Jackson's plan come together when all is said and done or does "Sugar" have what it takes to send him back to the silver screen?
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Heh
You know I’d like to see Rampage with the belt again.
I’d prefer to see him against Shogun than anyone else at 205.
Also, why is Shogun calling out Randy? He should call out James irvin while he’s at it ;D
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
lmao
Yea, I don’t know what’s that about. I think he wants to hold on to that belt for as long as possible. After Randy he’s probably gonna go after Bonnar
he said that rashad is a step back yet he wants to fight forrest afterwards??
i mean i know forrest beat him…but i mean forrest beat shogun too and i dont think shogun is even concerned about forrest at this point…
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by HellaHectic on May 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
People know...
that Shogun would kill Forrest now.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
I still want to see Shogun/Forrest 2.
Just so that Shogun kills Forrest and he can avenge that horrible loss. Who doesn’t want to see laid out on the cage again?
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Yeah but
If Forrest wins again, 7000 rabid Shogun fans would have to kill themselves.
The UFC can’t risk that.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Yeah
I do think a lot of success in MMA comes via matchups and I think Forrest could still do OK fighting Shogun or Rampage. Unless you are GSP or Anderson Silva and can either A. Shut guys down in what they do best and fight in their weakness or in Anderson’s case he is like a better version of what Chuck used to be. Be better than everyone you fight at kick boxing and don’t let it go to the ground lol.
by Edgecrusher71 on May 12, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
hes still really great on the ground..
unlike chuck..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Listen, Rampage has always wanted to avenge his losses, just like many other accomplished mma greats!
Rampage knows better then everyone, just how good shogun is….yes Rashad is a STEP down for someone as accomplished as Rampage…and Forrest is 2 steps down! Problem for Rampage is that he will opnly get to avenge one of those losses. If he beats Shogun, which is a BIG IF…Forrest will never smell another title shot, so Rampage probably wont get to avenge that loss. He will have to fight the likes of Anderson and Rogerio as champion. If he losses to Shogun, he can whoop on Forrest!
Rashad is a perfect warm up fight for an inactive Rampage. Rashad doesnt do anything better then Rampage. Only advantage Rashad has is speed, which will be nullified by Rampage’s GRANITE chin! Rashad wont be able to take the fight to the ground…If it goes to the ghround, shad will be the one on his back. Normally Rampage’s inactivity would worry me, but Rashad has pissed him off so bad, that Rampage is going to be amped for this fight. Page is Lazy by Nature….Rashad had a much better chance against Page, had he not made Rampage so motivated with his mouth.
No doubt in my mind that Rampage will beat Rashad and face Shogun. who knows h ow shogun/Page will play out? Thats a damn good title fight!
Rashad is just a smaller/faster, poor mans Rampage. Rampage does everything better. The deciding factor will be Rampage’s Granite Chin. Rampage chin has held up against the best of the best strikers. Only time he was KO’ed was due to a million knees in a row! Rampage’s chin would never buckle from a punch the way Shad’s did against Machida!
Rashad bit off more then he can chew. I promise! If Shad pulls off a miracle, I will give him his respect as a bonafide top 5 fighter in the best division in mma! HIGHLY DOUBTFUL!
agreed with all
Shad has no chance in my opinion, even with a Jackson gameplan. Rampage by whatever he wants in this one
It’s Rampage’s fight to lose, and he can only do so if shows up completely out of shape and gasses after the first.
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IF Page comes in shape then yes...he should be a heavy favorite. However, he has been too erratic since coming to the UFC. I give Rashad an excellent chance at beating Page.
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how ojr? I will admit, that If Page comes out of shape, and it is always POSSIBLE with him, then he losses!
Bet when making predictions, since none of us areprivy enough to see them in their training camps. we only get glimpse of Primetime exerts…we have to make are predictions over the assumption, that if both Fighters come into the fight in top shape,and injury free, and analyze how their skills sets match up, strengths/weaknesses, and resume!
I want to know how you think a well conditioned Rampage and injury free Rampage, can ever in his life lose to Rashad.
Believe me, Im not calling you out or attacking you, I just respect your oppinion so much that its bugging the FOCK out of me, how you think Shad can win this fight, assuming page and shad are both in peak condition? What am I not seeing? I cant believe you can envision shad winning? I dont see any way?
Now of course, if 1 is much more conditioned then the other, or 1 is healthy and the other is injured…of course its going to go to the fighter in better shape. But that goes for 98% of fights that happen at the top level in the UFC. Like, Rashad just got blitzkreig and knocked senseless by Machida, and did NO DAMAGE to against THiago, humping his way to a win, while being on queer street in the end! He did that to a Brazilain, who had lil wrestling experience, and a back problem. He isnt coming close to outwrestling a game Page! Page out wrestled some of their best in the prime! He outwrestled Hendo when he was an animal and had 2 pride belts around his waste, not the watered down Hendo that sheilds beat. No disrespect to sheilds. He out wrestled Lindland when he was giving it to Fedor in the wrestling department! Rampage is explosive athlete which a lot more Power then Rashad will ever have! I honestly think that Rashad’s best punch, which was the decapitation of Liddell, would not KO Page! and thats not taking anything away from that punch…Its a compliment to how I think of Page’s Granite jaw!
Rashad will have to deal with Page’s steller boxing defense, and a Granite chin! How the Fock is Shad gonna penetrate that? and if you are counting on leg kicks or putting page on his back….then please dont bet your money! Shad hasnt thrown a leg kick in his entire life. Kicking has been forrest only weapon for a while now.
and yes Page has just been boxing, but he has acklowledged, having to go back to the basic’s and use all his tools. Not only is page a better boxer, but I dont know if you know but Page’s Muy Tai 4 years was better then shads is today.you dont forget skills, you just need to sharpen them and trust in them to pull the trigger. Do you know what Page is capable of? I think he is near impossible to submit! I have and I dont see anyone in that weight class, that can put him on his back! I have seen Page brute strength his way out of submissions pulling his limbs out or slammin his way out of them, and I have also seen him show the most technical armbar escape in the game. THis guy isnt getting submitted by Rashad! and he aint getting put on his back!
If Page, comes in shape, healthy, and with a well rounded gameplan incorporating ALL his skills and styles…Then Its a BLOWout CUZ! You have any idea of what he has done, and accomplished? He used to be a hell of a Muy Tai fighter. throwing nice kicks, flying knees!He just got too reliant on his KO power and supperior boxing. HOpefully the loss to Forrest and all the Hate and shit talk lit a fire in his ass, and he already acknowedged that he needs to use all his skills and not just box……and if he decides to sprawl, n Box….He his at the advantage as well. He keeps the fight standing whenever he wants and out boxes Rashad!
How many times have you ever seen Page get out PUNCHED? Never in your damn life! not against Shogun, wandy, Forrest, Sakuraba, and Marvin Eastmen who are the only people to ever beat him! NO one ever was successful punching page! NO ONE! I have every single one of his fights tatooed in my Brain. Believe me when I tell you.
Please, if there is something Im seeing…open my eyes to it. But if you just want to count on Page being injured and out of shape…then of course he losses. However, I only make predictions based on fighters being in top shape. Fatigue will beat anyone so thats obvious.
I just want to know how someone who’s opiinion I respect as much as I do yours: Ojr, Jay,David and plenty others can disagree with any word I just typed!
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What am I not seeing, in how an in peak Rampage, losses to shad?
John, you're overlooking one thing
DECISIONS. I think most people would agree with you that there’s no way Rashad finishes Rampage. He just doesn’t have the tools. But with the right game plan, I believe it is possible for Rashad to win a decision. He’s much faster and more skilled than Forrest, and Forrest pulled it off. Rampage has a weakness for leg kicks and I don’t think his hands or feet (footwork not kicks) are as fast as Rashad. So Rashad could stick-n-move his way to a decision, if he can keep from getting decapitated or taken down (which Rampage hardly ever attempts anymore, much to my dismay.) I do think Page is a better fighter than Rashad in almost every respect, but Rashad has better and smarter people behind him and with the right gameplan, he could pose a threat. I’m a big Rampage fan and desperately want him to knock Rashad into next week, but I’m not taking this fight lightly by any means.
I disagree John. Shad isn't a poor man's Page.
He’s faster and mixes up his strikes better. Page stands flat-footed waiting for people to walk into his repeated hooks, Shad mixes LnP with his limited striking. Page will lose this fight the same way he lost to Forrest, LEG KICKS and running. Page used to be a better fighter but seems to have lost what made him great 5 years ago, a well rounded style. We know what Page is going to do this fight, do you have any clue as to what Shad plans to do? No you don’t because he changes from fight to fight. Page has had the same plan for his last 5 fights-walk in and throw left hook, right hook, left hook, right hook, rinse and repeat.
The only way Page can win this fight is if Shad comes in and stands right in front of him brawling. Shad on the other hand has 100 ways to win.
This is what happens when you bet on a loser like Cote, I should have listened to David W-S
unfortunately i agree
i think rashad has the speed advantage and can frustrate Rampage, but he’ll probably shoot ala the thiago silva fight. That’s kinda how i see this fight going, to be honest.
by LeeroyJenkin$ on May 12, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
jay: so you are trying to tell me that Shd, who has thrown 1 kick in his entire career is going to magically leg kick page to death?
Forrest was already an accomplished kicker, thats why that gameplan was able to work, and he had no respect for Forrest and clearly underestimated him,and came in fat!
Page is pissed, and believe me when I tell you he will be in shape to fight shad!
If page comes anywhere close to the shape he came into the Hendo fight, then he is a world beater!
you couldnt be more wrong! Rampage dictates this fight! He does whatever he wants! If he wants to strike they will strike, and he is the only one capable of bringing this fight to the ground?if yuo think Shad will be able to do what he did to tHIAGO THEN YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF!
tHE ONLY WAY SHAD CAN WIN IS TO OUT POINT HIM TO A DECISION!
AND THATS HIGHLY UNLIKELY SINCE HE WINS DECISIONS WITH WRESTLING, AND HIS WRESTLING WILL BE CRAP COMPARED TO pAGE’S!
aLL pAGE NEEDS TO DO IS COME INTO THIS FIGHT IN GOOD SHAPE AND HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS! pAGE CAN TAKE A FEW OF SHAds punches on his chin, to deliver a few, but can Shad take a rampage punch? Doubt it! he couldnt even strike with thiago, and page is a much supperior striker to THiago!
Rashad will have to deal with Page’s steller boxing defense, and a Granite chin! How the Fock is Shad gonna penetrate that? and if you are counting on leg kicks or putting page on his back….then please dont bet your money!
Shad and Rampage are equal when it comes to kicking and Rashad being as small as he is would leave himself open if he tries to come in and kick.
to make it clear, a better boxer (rampage) is going to outbox a lesser boxer, there’s no way to out think or gameplan around that. speed would only make a difference if they were equal in skill or power which they are not, Rampage having the better defense and ability to counter is the deciding factor, also Rampage boxing footwork is much better, the way he moves in and defends himself in exchanges is the best at LHW. Rashad bouncing and running around the octagon is not effective footwork, it’s just what i said running and bouncing around.
also the UFC Rampage would beat the Pride Rampage with relative ease. His stand up is much sharper and his wrestling is the same as it’s always been, why would it not be? because you don’t see him use it as much in short 15 min fights? remind yourself that he doesn’t allow anyone to take him down either, so why is it a problem again?
someone else's success brings pain.
Checklist for rampage:
check leg kicks,
be in shape…
and then we will be on our way to seeing PAGE vs SHOGUN 2…got more of a hard on over that 1 than vitor vs anderson lol
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by Randy for Couture on May 12, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you forgot
…brush up his wrestling and
…get a decent team behind him.
Look at all Rampage has accomplished on his own. Imagine what he could have done with a team like Greg Jackson’s or Black House or Extreme Couture (which I think would be the best fit for him, because Randy could get his head in order, which is where he’s weakest IMO.) And it’s the threat of his wrestling that makes him dangerous to Shogun and Machida. He’s not gonna outstrike either of those guys, but he could bully them on the ground if he remembers that he can wrestle and stops just looking for the 1-Punch-KO.
well, I think you’re underrating Rampage’s boxing skills. He beats Shogun in boxing and he definitely beats Machida in boxing, only thing Machida would have on Rampage is flashy karate kicks, he wouldn’t be able to hurt him at all with those things.
someone else's success brings pain.
his boxing is irrellevant
against guys who can kick faster than he can punch. IMO without his wrestling, he’s a solid #4 (behind Shogun, Machida, Silva), but if he used his wrestling and had a good game planner in his corner, he could very well be TOP 2.
Rashad IS really small.
He looks small next to Rampage and Rampage looked small against Forrest.
After Rashad loses this fight, he should drop to MW.
Rampage nut hugger much?
Rampage has a good chin no doubt but I think Machida had knockout power. It is precision striking just like Anderson. I don’t think if you measured Anderson’s actual striking power that it would be anywhere close to that of Vitor’s, Rampage’s, Chuck’s (in his hayday) etc… You hit the right spot, you go down. A physically good chin is a real thing BUT I think another thing that factors into having a “good chin” is head movement and keeping strikes away from the areas that will put you to sleep.
by Edgecrusher71 on May 12, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, are you directing this post towards John? if so you are right, ppl always talk about a goddamn chin like it’s a part of defending yourself.
If Rashad gets Rampage’s head into motion, he knocks him out it’s that simple, the same thing goes for Anderson Silva, Shogun and all fighters if they get hit clean from the right angle where they don’t even have time to react it’s def lights out. The whole secret behind knocking someone out is simply to spin the head and scramble the brain, that’s why it’s so important to punch from different angles and that’s why it’s so important when defending that you keep your eyes open and move your head so the punches slip off when they hit you.
someone else's success brings pain.
Rampage has been drinking too much hot sauce...
in his last fight he barely beat Jardine! He needs to know his place cause right now Rashad is at his level.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Rampage wants his redeem himself for the Forrest fight...
This may be a good thing. Rampage sounds hungry then he has in a while. A hungry Rampage will make things very interesting again. I think a hungry Rampage walks through the top 10 at 205 with the excpetion of Shogun and possibly Machida..
Redemption may be the best motivator right now!
I was a fool for ever doubting Shogun. I should be ashamed for never giving him a chance to get healthy. Shogun made Machida look B-level-Just like my bet made me look b-level!
Its going to have to be one or the other...
the belt or Forrest because if you get that belt, you won’t be seeing Forrest in front of you any time soon. At this point, Forrest’s job may be secure but I don’t think he’ll ever be fighting for the belt again. Even if they told him he could fight Shogun tomorrow, I think he’d duck him the same way he ducked Nog. And yes, I’m assuming and I don’t care because we all know the last thing Forrest wanted was to fight Nog and then suddenly he has a shoulder injury!? I call bullshit.
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yea i agree...he couldnt ko jardine OR forrest and he unloaded everything he had on jardine
and ended up being one of the few guys who HASNT ko’d jardine….jardine did well in that fight because of his speed…which i think will help shad out…even though page has incredible power and can end a fight faster than anyone at 205 with one punch, it seems those punches are slow…forrest and jardine both beat him to the punch…
ive been saying all along that i think shad is gonna win, i think he has superior athleticism, superior speed, and superior intelligence and i think those will play a huge part in this fight…
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
I truly think so long as Rashad doesn’t try and put on a show, he can leg kick his way to a victory. Page won’t be THAT different then what we’ve seen his last few fights, and if anything he’ll probs be worse.
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by daniel worby on May 12, 2010 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Coz the paycheck is famous and an easy mark.
A quick KO along with KOTN plus increased marketablity plus a name on his resume though the couture name is more of an illusion than anything.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 11, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
but he has nothing to gain by fighting couture...if he wins then so what he beat a man close to 50..but if he loses then he just loss to a dude close to 50
so its a lose/lose fight for shogun…he has nothing to gain by winning but everything to lose by losing
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by HellaHectic on May 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
chuck, Coleman, Couture
ShoGun “The Legend Killer” Rua
btw i know his name is Mauricio
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's Randy Orton?
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
one of the best wrestlers of the wwe...hes a great and gifted athlete
yea hes in the wwe and would get slaughtered in mma, but hes the cream of the crop in wwe
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I stopped watching wwe right around Brock became a star there.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
*the time
I’m going to sleep, fucking up all my comments right now.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Heh. I stopped watching after Wrestlemania III
Once the Hulkster had slammed Andre the Giant….well, in the words of Alexander the Great, “There were no more worlds to conquer.”
Hulkamania, Baby…THE ORIGINAL MANIA! I’d love to see the “24 in Pythons” in the Octogon and see the Hulkster do the atomic leg drop on Anderson! “Whatchoo gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on YOU”, Spider?.
Seriously though, why hasn’t the WWE picked up Bob Sapp and Hong Man Choi? Can the Japs really be paying them more than WWE could offer?
man its a waste of his time goin after randy..randy hasnt earned a title shot...
no way should he jump ahead of nogs, or page if he wins…or even shad if he happens to beat page….page has been the number 1 contender for 2 years…i realize that shad already had his shot but if he beats a guy that has been the number 1 contender for 2 years then he deserves a shot…
i mean beating vera by a decision that could have gone either way and beating a shitty coleman doesnt make u a deserving contender…i realize that shogun got a shot after beating a washed up coleman and ko’ing chuck but at least he destroyed chuck regardless of whether chuck was washed up…and he got the shot by default since everyone else at 205 was tied up in previous commitments…
and it turned out to be the right call…since he walked in and lost a bullshit decision to machida and then completely DESTORYED machida in the rematch
but there was also no one like jones and nogs sitting around when shogun got the call…so putting randy ahead of these guys is fucking retarded…he could have easily lost the decision to vera and very few people would have complained
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not talk about Randy...
fighting for the title. Dana started that bullshit, lets not feed into it. He is far from deserving. Jones did better against Vera then Randy did. I’d put Jones ahead of Randy.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
I don't think
They want to put Jon Jones against Shogun until they give Jon Jones at least one more large fight against a top 5.
It’s scary but I think Jones beats Shogun, and if he did it right now it would just puts MMA on it’s ear.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
I don't think Jones is ready...
for Shogun yet but I’m saying he’s more deserving than Randy who is very undeserving and it annoys me when people talk about him gettin a shot when he hasn’t beat any top 10 LHWs in years. There are several above him for a title shot.
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one fight i'd like to see, and people may give me shit for it..but vera/lil nog
if you think about it…vera has only been outstruck 1 time and that was by jardine, back when jardine was actually doing good in the ufc…
all of his other losses have come from grapplers…
werdum…who had a significant weight advantage…randy, who used grappling against the cage and everytime they turned to striking vera beat the shit out of him….and bones wanted no part of vera’s striking and IMMEDIATELY took him down and won by gnp…..and tim sylvia outweighed him by 40 pounds…
hes lost by grapplers like randy, werdum, bones…..and a sylvia who outweighed him by 40 pounds…
but vera is one of the top 5 strikers in the 205 division so i’d like to see him and lil nog in a stand up war…i think it would be a great fight…
i know a lot of people on this site hate vera and probably think im crazy, but his losses have come to grapplers…and only jardine has outstruck him…and that was when jardine was on a roll and vera was still getting used to cutting from hw
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
so jones didnt outstrike vera?
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by daniel worby on May 12, 2010 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no not on the feet...bones wanted no part of vera on his feet..we're used to seeing bones do crazy ninja style moves on his feet
but when he got in there with vera he was thinking all about the takedown…he got his takedown and the fight stayed there till it was over…i think they spent about 49 seconds on their feet…if that had been anyone else bones would have used his unorthodox striking and flying crazy ninja shit like he was doin to bonner and hamill before he got the sweep and ended it with vicious elbows…but with vera he was looking to get that shit down to the mat as fast as possible…he had no desire to turn that fight into a 15 minute kickboxing match
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well i look at that differently
I don’t consider him as not being outstruck when the fight only lasts a couple mins and he essentially does nothing. He also wasn’t outstruck in the Randy fight, but he barely did anything, whether you blame Randy or not, the fact still remains. He looked piss poor against Kryzsztoff too and I feel he’d lose a rematch. I mean if I go in there and get subbed in under 30 seconds of my first 3 fights do I get to say “Well he didn’t outstrike me so that’s good.”?
Lil Nog’ would have no problems with Vera if you ask me. Vera isn’t still in the top 10 on any lists right? I mean I don’t know who Vera can beat. He’s just pitiful.
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by daniel worby on May 12, 2010 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He can go back to heavyweight and fight Gonzo in the ultimate battle of talented disappointers
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I don't hate Vera
I just don’t think he fights to his potential. He’s not mentally strong. It just seems he his will bends if the fight isn’t going his way after the first couple of minutes. But that’s just my take on it.
I said it yesterday, I like that the UFC is taking their time developing Jones. I think a good string of fights for him would be Jardine next, Luiz Cane, Forrest and then either a shot at the title, or Rashad and THEN a definite shot at the title.
On being champion - "The best thing that’s come out of me being champ is I got a chance to meet Beyonce, so I’m happy about that. That was my lucky day, 7/7/07." - Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
coleman is gone
also, I think if randy beats James toney, they will give him a title fight. based on toney being such a “world class” boxer
He didn't call Randy out. He was asked about fighting Randy and he said he would. Shogun will fuck Rampage up again anyway. Page can't check a leg kick to save his life.
by southpaw447 on May 12, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats what i'm sayin'
Page is too ego driven and one dimensional to correct that properly. I think this is Rashad’s fight to lose. If he tosses the animosity aside, he should be able to kick and pitter patter for a 15 min Unan.
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by daniel worby on May 12, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His head is like a knee magnet
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on May 12, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
haha true, but that was in Pride
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Couture asked for Machida or Shogun.
That’s your answer.
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by Eduardo Cruz on May 12, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
not calling him out
He was asked after the fight if “he would fight Randy”, he replied “yes, of course, I’m a professional fighter”
Then everyone has been asking him ever since if he would fight Randy. What would you have him answer? “No, I have nothing to gain” ?
I prefer the “whoever, whenever, wherever” attitude.
CALLING OUT RANDY...
He wants to have at least one successful title defense.
by FlyingArmBar on May 12, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad he said that...
But I still lost a lot of respect for him for that stunt he pulled with the acting shit, but hey…. it’s his life..
yea he pulled out of a fight with rashd and turned down a title shot with machida just to fight rashad which he pulled out of
i dont know what is up with this dude….if he beats rashad i dont think he wants to fight shogun…i think he wants to persue acting…i think he would turn down shogun just like he turned down machida…cause that asswhooping he took from shogun was just brutal….i know he got slaughtered by wandy, but he just layed down and quit against shogun it was so bad
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by HellaHectic on May 11, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ano right
Page has even came out and said that his hardest fight in his career was infact the shogun fight. I don’t know why he would be so quick in jumping into a fight were a guy broke ur ribs and made u give up on urself.
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by Jamie The Peach Hunter on May 12, 2010 3:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rich Franklin...
wanted to get Silva again after he broke his ribs a nose! That’s what they do.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
I've always wanted to see Rampage battle it out with Lil Nog.
I remember an old pride video clip of him sayin that he hated most of the brazilians but he was cool and chilled with the Nogs.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on May 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
rampage/lil NOG
theyre both fighting guys soon so why nt have them go at it, in a DREAM match-up, and have the best #1 contender.
Then again Dana prob doesnt want either with a L right now
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 11, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
guys the you seem to rag randy a little too much!
Randy has beaten alot of good fighters in his time, yes he just had some losses, one was against lesnar so it doesn’t count, the other against nog was I agree terible (pitiful standup)! but he still is a bad match up for many fighters.
Who are u expecting shogun to call out? Rashad (got killed against mahida), Rampage (hasn’t fought for a year), forrest (rematch would be good, but he doesn’t deserve it), Keith? (HA!).
The only on I can think of is AS, and if i was shogun FUCK THAT! if you have to OK but why ask for it!
I’m sure if shogun doesn’t fight coture next the ufc will set it up soon enougth anyway!
yea but did u see how easy machida was able to take shogun down? it took pretty much NO effort
and shad was a complete idiot to stand with someone who had been training stand up his whole life (machida) when shad had only been training stand up for a few years…but when i see how effortless machida was able to take shogun down in only a few minutes it makes me wonder if shad could have the same success and lay and pray a decision over shogun…
i dunno, styles make fights….machida was so fast and shad was a fucking idiot tryna stand with him and got knocked the FUCK out…but seeing how easy machida took shogun down it makes me wonder that with shads takedown ability and with shogun’s lack of td defense that he seemed to show against machida that maybe shad could pull a koscheck or gsp and just lay his way to a decision…maybe im wrong but shogun’s td defense looked terrible
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
machida was able to use his sumo b/g to takedown shogun but sumo doesnt exactly teach u to hold down an opponent so shogun got up pretty quick
but maybe shad could pull off one of the UGLIEST wins in ufc history and do just enough to keep from getting stood up….and lay there causing absolutely NO damage WHATSOEVER…and eek out a boring decision….he has the skills to do it
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by HellaHectic on May 12, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah maybe rashad could get a win off Shogun! Never know
I don’t think Rashad could have gotten Machida down and held him anyway, machida seems to have a good base and is bigger than some give him credit.
My pick is Rashad is going to fix up quinton!
by jimmy ricard on May 12, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Quinton was made the fool by forrest!
Buy moving the fight around and using leg kicks! Rashad just showed us a win buy keeping Silva from getting comfortable which will work very well against quinton, Rashad buy intellegent but boring decision
by jimmy ricard on May 12, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yea the thing with machida is that he has such good balance....shad would have had a lot of problem taking him down
machida probably has the best balance of anyone in the division…i cant remember off hand but i dont think anyone in the ufc has ever actually taken him down…his sumo has given him great balance, and its very difficult to knock him off his center of gravity…thats why i dont think shad could beat machida…but shad has a chance to win a boring decision over machida…
just becaue of style….shogun just beat machida with brute force and explosiveness unlike anything that machida has ever faced…machida has always been able to beat people from a distance..but shoguns leg kicks were able to close that distance…in a way that no one has ever been able to do…
and i dont think there is anyone a 205 that is gonna beat shogun by standing in front of him…the only way to beat him is to take those kicks away and the only way to do that is get him on his back and keep him there….
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*i meant in the first paragraph that shad has a chance to win a BORING LAME decision over shogun
hed get booe’d out of the building…and would be hated on all the net boards for fighting like a coward but he could use his boringness to win…
but i think page would stand there and get kicked to death…u saw what forrest did to page’s legs, imagine if that was shogun throwing the kicks
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Machida didn't take Shogun down in the normal sense.
SHOGUN went for the TD and Machida had better balance and control and reversed it before they hit the ground so that he landed on top. It’s still a big credit to Machida, but it says nothing about Shogun’s ability or inability to defend against a shoot, cause Machida didn’t shoot on him.
That's how I saw it too.
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Fuck KOS is a duche bag, he was in Semtex’s ear talking shit, which concluded in semtex getting himself booted from the UFC. I don’t even like Semtex! but KOS is just a wistle dick, he demonstrated it on TUF and on the weekend. I can’t wait to see GSP out wrestle him.
jimmy you cant blame kos for daley getting booted..so what if kos was talking shit..fighters talk shit to each other all the time in fights
but for a fighter to walk up from behind another fighter after the final horn and deliberately throw an unexpected sucker punch to purposely try to injure the unsuspecting fighter, there is just no excuse for that….luckily kos was able to defend himself…but what if kos hadnt protected himself, and daley landed that punch flush and broke kos’s orbital bone or some other bones in his face…which caused the entire taping of the tuf series to be cancelled due to kos having surgery…like vera is going through from the bones elbow…
how would not only have put kos out of commission but he would have fucked the entire tuf season up AND fucked up the title fight between him and gsp…he could have fucked that ENTIRE ww division up with that one sucker punch…he has one of the most destructive left hooks in the ww division and he could have completely fucked the ufc up for the next 6 or 7 months with that one sucker punch had kos not been able to defend himself and that punch landed flush and broke numerous bones in kos’s face
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i mean for the sake of the future of the ufc division, including the tuf series and the title fight
we are all lucky that kos was able to have good enough reflexes to deflect one of the most dangerous left hooks from anyone in mma…i know that 80% of mma fans hate kos but the fact is that he earned his victory and for daley to endanger the future of the ww division like that was completely ricidulous
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I think Daley's punishment was a little harsh...
Ban him for a year or whatever but forever is a long time – I don’t agree with “making an example” out of one person. This would not have happened if Brock did it, he would get a telling off, ban, fine and be made to make a public apology – guaranteed. Dana is too emotional in his actions and very inconsistent depending on who is involved, also you should never say never – as he proved with Kimbo.
As for Koscheck – he SHOULD be fined for bringing the sport into disrepute by faking injury for two fights running and getting away with it, making the UFC look like it approves of this “pussy” behaviour. This very thing not being stopped is what’s lead to soccer being a joke now with regard to injuries and faking. It’s worse than Kalib Starnes running away as it’s actively trying to win by getting your opponent to lose points or get the DQ.
I would rather see a fighter be aggressive and swing after the bell out of anger/frustration than pretend to be hurt – they’re fucking fighters after all, I can’t even remember the amount of times I’ve seen this in boxing and nothing is said. Daley got it spot on when he said he was a fighter and Kos was a wrestler before the fight. Don’t give me some shit about the knee making contact either (in both this fight and the rumble one), even if it did it was a graze, not something that would bother a “real” fighter in any way.
I would be pissed if I got on the next TUF series and ended up on Koscheck’s team, I would gladly call him a pussy and pretend to cry whenever I was hit – after all what could he do? Lay on me? I hope GSP forgets the wrestling crap and KO’s this bitch with a skull fracture he really can cry about.
well jimrod the thing is this:
if shogun had machida down then jumped up and threw a vicious soccer kick and missed, the ref would have immediately stopped the fight and gave shogun a warning and threatened to deduct a point if he did that again…even though it missed it was a very illegal move and the ref would have stopped the fight and warned him…
its the same with kos…yea he may have did some acting..but the same thing holds true for the illegal knee as it does for the illegal soccer kick…the ref would have still stopped the fight and given daley a warning and threatened him with a point deduction even though it missed…so the fact that the fight was stopped isnt really an issue…now the fact that kos may have taken advantage of that and did an acting job to take advantage and gain more time of course can be debated…
but stopping the fight for an illegal knee attempt is no different than stopping the fight for an illegal vicious soccer kick attempt by shogun to machida’s head even if it missed….
and even though big dan took away the point at the time he still made the right call at the end of the roun and gave daley back the point after watching the replay so in the end it all worked out…
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Oh I know what you're saying and totally agree...
The knee, or attempted knee, was illegal and should be treated as such absolutely. It’s the now habitual play acting of Kos that is pissing me off and making the sport look bad.
I’m in the UK and while I’ve never been a massive soccer fan it’s unavoidable over here and you inevitably see many games as friends are fans – the play acting has become ridiculous since it was initialised by the Italians and Brazilians about a decade ago purely because it was never punished, now you see it in every game and as I’ve said to friends: If I got sent off for a non-foul or minor tackle where the other guy reacted like he’d been shot in the face I would walk over and gladly kick him in the face to make it worthwhile. This is even worse in MMA as they are supposed to be tough fighters, if it goes unpunished and becomes more common this will be more harmful to the sport than any after the bell hit would ever be – hence the level of booing Koscheck gets from the crowd, it’s such a low act.
I remember Bas Rutten having this same problem with Jason DeLuca and he made him pay by destroying his liver, finishing him in the most painful way he could – one of the reasons Bas has my utter respect as a fighter.
kos
He made himself look bad. I dont anyone was thinking bad things about mma at that point, it was all about kos being overly dramatic, again. It would be hard to punish someone like that because we really dont know how much the knee hurt. It definetly grazed him, and maybe it hurt like hell. Imagine the controversy if a ref had to determine how bad the illegal blow hurt or didnt hurt and was trying to punish people he thought werent hurt but was acting like they were hurt. Also jimrod, i wish you the best of luck and hopefully you dont end up in prison for soccer kicking people haha.
I do have minor rage issues about injustices... :D
My point on the Kos thing is that he’s done it twice now, a graze (at best) should not hurt as much as most of the other hits you’ll take in a bout. If this continues to go unpunished what’s to stop other, similarly pussy-like fighters thinking “hold on, all I need to do is run in, blind-side the ref and pretend to get eye-poked and be unable to continue… I’ll get my pay-cheque and be unblemished – result!” A rather extreme example I admit – but what Kos has done twice now is worse than what Kalib Starnes and Houston Alexander have been booted for, they actively tried to avoid combat, for which the only outcome be that they lose the fight – Kos actively tries to get his opponents docked points or DQ’d which is a step on from that. If I was Daley I’d have done it again in the next round but have made sure to make contact full-on in the teeth – making his faking in the first round worthwhile :)
It is injustice
I think something should be done to prevent fighters from catching their breathe and gaining much needed points by faking injuries, but it seems like it would have to be someones opinion if they were faking or not and that sounds hard to do. In kos last fight, the eye poke wasnt really seen until later on it was pointed out here on mania that he did indeed take a thumb to the eye. Did it warrant his flopping around? I dont know. This time around though, there was no mistaking it barely hit him but again, its only opinion on how much it actually hurt. I definetly think he put way too much on it this time. On a side note, i took a grazing kick to the neck from my son and everyone who saw it said it looked like it missed, but my adams apple has been fucked up for like 3 years now because of it.
Yeah, hate those long term injuries...
That seemed like nothing at the time – I’ve had a swollen ankle for about 4-5 years from when I rolled it playing football (soccer), heard quite a few tendon snaps as I did it! Docs said it’s calcification round the joint – only other time I’ve heard that was in the last Rocky film and he’s supposed to be bloody 60 :D (I’m 33!)
With regard to the faking of injuries, time outs etc. I just think “What would Fedor do?” and I’ve decided if that had happened (illegal knee) I’d be getting back up to dish out some revenge rather than flopping about like a fish out of water – that’s the difference between real fighters and the Koscheck/Starnes/Alexander’s of this world.
There are still many good guys about – Sam Stout, Roger Huerta, Clay Guida, Scott Smith to name but a few – those guys who take a beating but keep fighting back, they never give in, they’re the guys I watch MMA for – the “Ultimate Fighter” will never be Koscheck because of his attitude.
Unfortunatly....
The UFC has to show that they are not having it. It’s hard enough for MMA to get the respect it deserves without this type of B.S., someone had to be an example.
Forrest
can’t bust a grape.. lol he’ll just leg kick Rampage til he’s limping again.. hope he knocks out Rashad though..
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Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
Rampage
Rampage by KO Slam, Jokes. But seriously i think Rampage can pull this off.
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i guess he feels really confedent idk i would just think about rashad right now an worry about that stuff later. cause if rashad beats him rampage is gonna sound like a dumbass
Looks like rampage just got "Morris'd"
Urbandictionary…look it up, lol
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
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thanks for furthering my point
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
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I wouldn't know, never fought Vera
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so this fight's winner gets a title shot???
i think next in line after that should be winner of Nog vs Randy.
i know randy isn’t considered top of the heap, but it’ll be an interesting matchup, and a decisive victory will give Nog every reason to fight for the title.
and i want to see Shogun vs Anderson Silva
i say give Shogun:
winner of Rampage/Rashad
then winner of Nog/Randy
then Machida
and for Silva
Chael Sonnen
then winner of Akiyama/Wandy
then i suggest Vitor vs Maia (setting up Vitor vs Silva)
and if both Shogun and Silva remain champions, then Shogun vs Silva!!!
and if both champions
by LeeroyJenkin$ on May 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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