Strikeforce Quick Quote: Scott Coker's in no hurry to sign Paul Daley and Kimbo Slice
by Jesse Holland on May 10, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
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"I'm sure we'll get a call, but let's what happens. Who knows? [Daley] could be on suspension for four to six months. He's not going to be able to fight. I don't think that type of reaction or behavior from a fighter will be accepted. It's just unacceptable. You're like the sixth person who's contacted me saying, ‘Hey, you have to put together Herschel Walker vs. Kimbo Slice.' The thing is with Kimbo is he was successful with the ratings, but when we purchased (the contracts) from Pro Elite, the deal at that time (for Kimbo), we felt was too rich for long-term viability...We haven't revisited it internally yet, so as of right now I think we're going to stick with our course, which is putting on the best fighters in the world in the best matchups. The fighters that are important to develop our reach and growth, and are important to Showtime and CBS, we're going to keep those fighters. We've proven that we can stay in the game at the highest level with these athletes because believe me, Fedor (Emelianenko) is not a cheap fighter."
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker tells Sherdog.com that he's not exactly running to sign recently ousted UFC fighters Paul Daley and Kimbo Slice -- both of whom were passed over when the San Jose-based fight promotion first acquired the remaining contracts from Pro Elite, the parent company of Elite XC back in 2009. "Semtex" was given the heave-ho for taking a swipe at Josh Koscheck (after the bell) following their welterweight scrap at UFC 113 last Saturday night. Slice may also be on the unemployment line after being bounced from The Ultimate Fighter 10 and then turning in a losing effort to Matt Mitrione, also at UFC 113. The question is, if Strikeforce doesn't want them, where will they end up? And how much are they worth on the open market? Predictions please.
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Kimbo could be S.O.L
unless he wants to fight for a lot less. Daley will get signed, it’s a done deal imo.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
Cokers a good and wise man
I lost count, how many swears and slang and blatant disrespect used in that quote?
I heart BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 10, 2010 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that a slam...
towards D White? lol Either way, Coker runs the 2nd rate company and Dana runs the top, he can use as many F bombs as he wants.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Coker does not have near the control over SF that Dana has over the UFC
and that leads to trouble… SF is 2nd rate, its obvious!
I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it
by PHISH NATION on May 10, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They should be
They should be second rate. They are only 3 years old. Strikeforce is only a year and a half on telivision. They will probably never be better than the second best promotion which I am not sure if they are that yet. If you are old enough to remember the UFC 6 years ago, they were a 3rd rate promotion. If it was not for the ultimate fighter reality show they would have gone bankrupt. The majority of thier fighters back then were not even the top level guys. So I think strikeforce is doing just fine for how young they are. They are putting on as good as shows at thier age as the Zuffa UFC was at the same age.
you realize they've been in business snce 1985 right
I know it started as just kickboxing, but I’m just saying, they’ve been around a while!
yes
Yes I know. But kickboxing event and mma event are two different sports. Two different sets of fighters. Two completely different market viewers.
Them being in business with kickboxing that long just goes to show that they know how to run a successful business. You are just stupid if you try and compare Strikeforce of today vs UFC of today. Compare the two when they were at the same age.
Like I said, they are second rate. They should be. Tey are new to the sport. I love the UFC. I like strikeforce.
ya it was a stab at "fuckin" dana white
He’s a moron. And UFC was est in 1993 so forget the kickboxing crap. And UFC didn’t turn into what it is now the day the Lorennza’s and Dana took over. Get a clue. It took years to build to what it is. But SF somehow is supposed to pass UFC already. You guys are so blind man.
I heart BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not directed at lance who actually makes sense
I heart BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 10, 2010 7:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana swears. Daniel has sensitive ears.
Also daniel likes to complain about Dana every chance he gets, that’s what gets him off. lol
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
oh, I thought I was missing something!
and to say a company is different because it was kickboxing is dumb!
wendys used to be “fast food” now they cook to order…guess what, it’s still a fast food joint!
They are different
His viewing audience is different. His fighters are different. His locations were different. Everything about it is different.
I agree. SF kickboxing should have nothing to do with SF MMA.
Another difference you forgot to mention lance, the champs used to defend their belts. zing
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
You are correct.
I just do not understan the hate. It is more mma to watch. Who cares if they do not have thier shit together yet. People want to compare to much. There has to be more than one mma promotion for this sport to grow.
the people who care of they have their shit together
are the people who want to watch a good program. kinda retarded statement is that?
You don't like? Don't watch. Easy Peasy.
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
that works for me
because I don’t, lol. Not unless they have fights that interest me. Their last card interested me. This next one, not so much. I’ll watch for the fights I wanna see. Other than that, I don’t. I have a right to voice my opinion just as much as you voice yours.
You can voice your opinion,
You can voice your opinion, but you dont have to be a smart ass.
I took it that way. My bad
I commented on something and then someone asked if I knew something. The you commented " No he didnt. He just wanted to have something to say." Sounds like a smartass attack for no reason. But hey it is cool
I kinda agree with hitori
but I go into sf knowing to me it’s the minor leagues. The last event was a pleasant surprise as to who won, but overall it’s a bunch of guys that couldn’t make it in the UFC or are working towards the UFC. It’s like AAA baseball!
Exactly
And needs to stay as “AAA baseball”; I wanna see the best guys in the sport ready to fight eachother at all times, #1 vs #2 consistently in every weight class; right now they have some exceptional fighters that can make a run at top flight comp but are taking it easy in SF.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Man I didnt really see any hate for strikeforce just the truth there a 2nd rate org.
I agree the more MMA the better there is no doubt about that, but that still doesnt change where strikeforce is at in todays MMA world
I was not talking about Dana. I was talking about Strikeforce being second rate. Then Hitori X aka ( I am a 135 pound teenage keyboard warrior) has to jump in and be a rude ass.
not the guy lance is talking about.
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
the guy with the x in his name was being a smart ass for no reason. That is who lance was referring to.
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
oh i thought he was talking to the one dude who was talking to the other dude about the 2nd dude responding to the 3rd dudes opinion from the previous comment when he responded to the other guys opinion
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
HellaHectic - banned from over 30 sites and counting...
dude....
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
if that's the case...
whoop me then, let me know the next time you’re at Fort Benning big guy ;)
lol
BOOM
Warrior in full effect here, back away.
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
So nice you said it twice ;)
And this is a very silly argument made even sillier by the challenge to a fight.
Proud member of the Brock Pain Train.
Congratulations Jake, Gil and Mo. From the only Maniac to pick all 3 of them.
by David W-S on May 11, 2010 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow Worb... you really are a hater when it comes to Brock and DW
You do realize even though you don’t like Dana you do have him to thank for MMA being as big as it is today.. I mean if you had to point to the one guy responsible for this sports insane growth it would be him. Give the guy some credit..
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no
Not til he acts like a president. Not a high school’er.
I heart BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
man worby is sucks you gotta put bj penn as your default man!!! I feel bad for you man!!! GSP GSP GSP GSP GSP GSP GSP!!!! lol :p
Psalm 144:1 Thank the LORD, my rock, who trained my hands to fight and my fingers to do battle,
by the chubbster on May 10, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL You say you cant compare todays strikeforce to todays ufc, yet your failing to realize MMa has blown up and there are alot more top tier fighters out there more athletes coming over from other sports ect To compare Strikeforce (MMA) to UFC at the same age isnt really a great comparison. However I agree with Kevin they have proven they can run a FIGHT PROMOTION not just a business. Kevin the wendys analogy was dead on imo
I think ole' Cock is sayin.
We r low on capital ; (
Herschel Walker is putting the best fighters up against the best fighters? what what what
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
Commission does whatever they're gonna do to him
Then SF scoops him for a Nick Diaz vs Daley title shot at 170. I don’t see it going any other way; they got nothing in their 170 lbs division, they can’t afford to pass it up.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny....
The minute I saw SF, I thought of a Diaz (and crew) v Daley fight too….!
by can't spell anarchy on May 10, 2010 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can always create stars, ie Forrest, Bonnar, Rashad, Jardine, GG....
Yeah that was a classless act but he’s a fighter, let him fight somewhere. Afterall he was one win away from getting a shot at GSP in the “stacked” UFC WW division.
Daley vs Diaz would be a perfect match-up...
And better than any the UFC could offer.
I know many people, especially in the US love their wrestlers but I (any many others) find most of their “fights” very dull. Active wrestling which leads to a sub or at least some ferocious GnP (a’la Fedor’s sambo) is great – but it seems to me more and more UFC events have at least 1 or 2 lay n’ pray fights (don’t kid yourself that moving from guard to half-guard and back is actively fighting) which should be stood up much faster than they are. Wrestling control without effective damage shouldn’t be scored as highly as it is. People hate clinchers in boxing and lay n’ pray wrestling is exactly the same – you could lay on me for 3 hours but it doesn’t mean you kicked my ass.
There’s a reason the crowd boo when this happens and it isn’t just because they’re uneducated – I’ve practised martial arts most of my life and have 2 black belts as well as kickboxing experience. I find it stupid when the booing starts during an exciting ground battle (which happens often), but many times it IS justified. People who go on about Kos/Fitch/Sonnen etc being “well rounded” are deluding themselves – they’re wrestlers with minor striking, just so happens that wrestling is effective in MMA, especially against similarly “well rounded” strikers who have some ground game but can never hope to compete against a division 1 wrestler (a’la Daley, Hardy, Bisping due to no wrestling training in UK schools).
Just bored of grinding wins that yes, the winner did control, but were not “fights”, they were wrestling matches at best.
Kimbo with that knee thing wouldnt be able to goto the pro wrestling
But im sure Japan would take him in a sec
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
I think he should take the $$ he's got
re-invest, try to do some endorsements or get on as a regular appearing personality on some TV show cause the fighting isn’t gonna work out imo.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 10, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
His would be the one reality show I would watch...
other than 2010 Running Man. (if they ever make it)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
why not?
hulk hogan doesn’t have an athletic bone in his body, just watch him try to run. he wouldn’t be doing flips, but a few million over a few yrs is doable!
Strikeforce wants to be legit, and as much as I would lve to see Diaz beat up Daley, I don’t see Coker touching him. he may, but it’s a chance!
kimbo will be in TNA
you know you're having some good sex when you start planning what you're gonna say in the 911 call afterwards...
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The porn?
haha!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
ok good point i guess he could do something for the wwe or tna
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
Hullk
is a legend and on TNA for the name factor. Its not like hes wrestling every night, because he cant physically.
KIMBO is noone and would have to be wrestling every night (they dont only wrestle on TV nights). His knees wouldnt hold up!
I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after
by SouthCaliStunNa on May 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
even if Kimbo goes to WWE/TNA
he will never be anything and it will be VERY short lived!
The Gangster from the streets has been played by wreslters with actual pro wrestling talent, Kimbo wont/cant cut it..
I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after
by SouthCaliStunNa on May 10, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgetting something?
Expect both fighters to be picked up by DREAM. Also, Daley has the option to go back to the UK. He was quite successful there. Japan loves spectacles so… Kimbo would be the perfect fit.
what does british mma orgs pay?
they just cancelled LHW tourny for a reason, they are broke, I really don’t see them signing kimbo.
anyone that fights him knows what to do, I hope for his health that he chooses wwe or tna! he’s a good fit.
other news:
I can’t believe Blackistone just said on around the horn that Kimbo was the most well known guy in mma!
Those guys don't know shit about mma!
Around the horn guys.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Just saw Blackistone on there saying something about how Kimbo WAS the UFC. I damn near fell off the elliptical when he said that.
I'm a pan-handlin', man-handlin', post-holin', high-rollin', dust-bowlin' daddy
thats the point
They don’t know shit and they knew who he was. Thus making that pile of garbage the most known name in MMA. Makes sense to me. I saw evidence of it at the house I watched the fights this weekend at. Didn’t know some of em’ and they didn’t give a sh*t about the fights til’ “Is that Kimbo?”, bellowed from the kitchen. Guess who’s fight they cared most about?
I heart BJ Penn
by daniel worby on May 10, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
kimbo got the best response at the arena too. I was dumbfounded and a little embarrased.
Patrick Cote was robbed. David W-S, do your worst because next time I own you!
many of my friends
are as naive!
I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after
by SouthCaliStunNa on May 10, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Even my mate who hates MMA was asking me about Kimbo
The only 2 guys that non-fans have mentioned to me are Alex Reid and Kimbo. It’s a shame that 2 talentless clowns are the ones with all of the mainstream attention in this country.
Proud member of the Brock Pain Train.
Congratulations Jake, Gil and Mo. From the only Maniac to pick all 3 of them.
by David W-S on May 11, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True, true
British orgs don’t pay much, but Daley can easily rely on them until his US/Canadian suspension is over.
As for Kimbo, his knees won’t hold up for any form of pro-wrestling. True, he’d easily be defeated in MMA, but c’mon, Japan has some fights like that. Might be his best bet for the moment… if not with DREAM, there’s always Sengoku (Ishii vs. Kimbo?).
they used to
name a freak show event in japan recently!
he could do things in wwe, look at these dinasaurs still doing it!
Hogan and Flair are still the main stars for TNA so he could easily get signed by them
However WWE don’t let any old person join, they won’t have an old guy with dodgy knees on their shows unless he’s a celebrity guest host. TNA is the more viable option for Kimbo, they’ll put anyone famous on weekly TV.
Proud member of the Brock Pain Train.
Congratulations Jake, Gil and Mo. From the only Maniac to pick all 3 of them.
by David W-S on May 10, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He'd get paid a decent amount to fight Alex Reid
As daft as it sounds that fight would be a draw, Reid is a household name in this country because of his skanky wife Jordan (they’re our Tito and Jenna) and Semtex is a top 10 WW and now one of the most notorious guys in the sport.
As for Kimbo he can face Barnett and Tank in those crappy Japanese wrestling promotions or do a shit reality show on Spike. TNA might try to get him as well, if they signed Frank Trigg, Tito, Marcus Davis and made Pacman Jones their tag champion then they’ll sign anyone.
Proud member of the Brock Pain Train.
Congratulations Jake, Gil and Mo. From the only Maniac to pick all 3 of them.
by David W-S on May 10, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm betting they both end up in SF
Coker’s just doing the you need me more than i need you thing to drive down their asking price. for once SF must be sick of overpaying
and not that i'm bragging about this
but i have the exact same tie as coker in this picture, maybe i should re-evaluate my wardrobe, lol
gimme a break, Coker
Strikeforce will sign both fighters, guaranteed.
Daley will help out
the struggling WW in the SF leagues. When is Jay Hieron getting his title shot, lol?
kimbo suck
is strikeforce signs him and pushes his name it looks good on dana! he signed kimbo, exposed him and sent him packing…exactly like he said in the beginningl
l'm not afraid of anybody. Especially not Nick Diaz. -GSP
Kimbo VS Walker I like it!!!
Just like Rogan I like a freakshow now n’ then… this is a good undercard…. do it! get Kimbo n walker a fairly decent payday based on their draw, enough to keep it interesting for them.. bring it on!
Paul Daley
Paul Daley is alot better than most of the welterweights in SF right now. Coker should get him signed up, I dont see Daley going to fight in Japan again. Im pretty sure Dana is going to regret making such a snappy decision especially as Daley was becoming one of the UK’s poster boys meaning alot of cash from UK audiences. But thats just what i think. What are your guys views?
" My style is Whoop that ass" - Rampage Jackson
UFC doesn't need anyone to make them money!
Dana is more concerned about how his company looks than one guy who may be a draw. Daley isn’t a draw at all (compared to Kimbo) and he made the right choice. He could build up anyone if he wanted to, it’s just the power he has!
Dailey sux
Dailey is one dimensional and there is no point of keeping someone like that in the UFC, especially when they take cheap shots. Kos, Fitch, Hardy, St Pierre, Alves will all smoke him. He was exposed in this fight with KOS and dana doesnt need him.
So...
Daley is one dimensional and Fitch is not? Made this point a few times now – only strikers get called one dimensional, whereas everyone seems to hang off the nuts of wrestlers. I don’t get it. People say “watch boxing” or “K1” – well you watch WWE if that’s what you want to see. I’d rather see a fight that involves some actual fighting, one man laying on top of another or “mounting” him without any actual attack or attempt to finish involved is another kind of entertainment altogether…
You can say that Fitch etc can strike as a counter argument but I bet all the strikers in MMA could submit the average guy on the street in seconds too, they just don’t wrestle as well as the wrestlers who have done it since school, wrestling takedowns and control just happen to be valued more highly in MMA than strikes are.
Completely not true
Kerr, Coleman, Palhares, Maia, Sherk, Werdum, Matt Hughes etc.. all excellent grapplers and all have been called one dimensional at one time or another. Some of the best fighters in MMA are known for their striking; if a guy takes another guy down and controls him the better part of the fight then yea he’s going to get the decision. If the striker can stuff the TD’s and out point a grappler standing then they’ll get the decision. This bias your talking about doesn’t exist; if anything it’s the opposite as the fans support and enjoy the strikers fights more than anything else. Fitch’s striking is good enough to survive standing long enough to get the fight where he needs to get it to win. Not pretty, not exciting, but it gets the job done. My only knock on Fitch is that he doesn’t finish guys.
Daley has showed improvement and survived on the ground vs a top level wrestler for 3 rds. Is he completely ignorant of the ground game? No; but is he gonna win a fight down there with top control/sub/GnP? Probably not.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on May 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
Strikeforce does want Daley, but Coker claims patience
Los Angeles, CA—May11, 2010—Strikeforce bigwig, Scott Coker wouldn’t know how to handle Paul Daley, but he does know the Athletic Commission might be ready to impose sanctions and fines that include suspensions. Daley pulled his bonehead move, by sucker punching Josh Koscheck after he lost the 3 round UFC battle of Welterweights. The problem with Coker is he doesn’t have what it takes to lay down the law. Case in point: the Nashville Brawl as opposed to the Daley Punch, in which UFC President Dana White was quick to delve out a handy decree: Ban Daley from the UFC. Coker blamed Jason Miller for the incident in Nashville, claiming Miller knew what to expect from the Strikeforce (Gracie) clan. Instead of dishing out punishments, the most Coker did was point the finger. What a man to work for! It is possible Coker does not have too many followers, since he has a problem in decision making. He also seems to have an issue with who has the most potential to hurt him. Miller is no threat to Coker, but the Cesar Gracie Clan? The Diaz Brothers are in that cult, for goodness sake! No wonder he was quick to point the blame on Miller and not the true culprits, including el niño and fat boy. Imagine if that happened at a UFC event? Heads would roll. Not on Strikeforce, and that is probably why CBS stopped all negotiations with Strikeforce. He can’t contain his boys and can’t promise that will never happen again.
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