Dan Hardy: Georges St. Pierre plays it safe to keep his belt
Props: The Canadian Press
Quoteworthy:
"I wouldn't change it for the world. Even the result now. I'm a firm believer in everything happens for a reason and obviously I'm not ready to be the champion just yet. But there are a lot of positives to gain from it. Obviously one of them is the fans are now a little more aware of me and the fans that were aware of me before now, most of them, have a new respect for what I'm willing to do when I'm in there. [St. Pierre] took the win from me but he didn't take the fight from me. I wasn't beaten mentally or physically. I don't know, it must be frustrating for the fans and it's frustrating for me because I know that GSP has the kind of potential to make more of a fight out of it. But he's very good at wrestling and he chooses to stick with the safe option to keep his belt. I mean you can't hold it against him. It's not what I would do in his situation but I'm not in his situation right now, so I can't really make those calls. I certainly don't feel like I'm miles away from winning the belt. I know I've got work to do but I'm confident that it's within my ability to do it and get the belt."
Former UFC welterweight number one contender Dan Hardy insists he's going to learn from his loss to Georges St. Pierre at last months UFC 111 event in Newark, NJ and come back better than ever. "The Outlaw" was dominated for five rounds by "Rush" but contends that he was never beaten mentally despite a couple of tight submission holds. Was Hardy the sentimental winner as a result of his fighting spirit and refusal to quit? Or just another victim who needs to go back to the end of the line?
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JH, really? Where was this article a week ago? Not criticizing, just saying...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think hardy was bored too during that fight!
I believe GSP would have won no matter where the fight went, but like Hardy said, he wants to play it safe. At least since the Serra fight anyway.
by MBOW on Apr 8, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
WHAT!?!
Hardy got beat by a guy who likes to wear his pajamas to the cage, OUTRAGE haha. In all seriousness I don’t like the headline, makes it seem like Hardy is going to be a prick but he was pretty down to Earth and humble about the whole thing.
by Edgecrusher71 on Apr 8, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
And Hardy chooses to stick to what he's good at....
…..Standing and trying to knock people out. Unfortunately it didn’t pay off this time because he met someone who was able to nullify his boxing. Should we start to blame Hardy because he can’t wrestle worth shit or stop a take-down to save his life? Hey Hardy….if you want the fight to go in your direction, do something about it and stop your opponent.
by Dugout on Apr 8, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Actually yes, I think Hardy IS to blame for his lack of wrestling
I’m not a huge GSP fan and his fights bore the hell out of me. But so does someone who doesn’t build his skills. This is MMA and there’s nothing Mixed or artistic about what Hardy brings to the octogon. Hardy’s assets are suited for a ring and bigger gloves, not an octogon and smaller gloves. I think Hardy’s personality and heart is good for the sport, but his absolutely limited skill set is a shame. Its a shame because if he wanted to truly sharpen his wrestling and BJJ, he could certainly become a formidable opponent.
I'll give Hardy props for weathering the storm
But I think it ends there. He used his strength alone to save himself from a real beatdown and broken arm/shoulder on the sub attempts. But aside from that he offered nothing to GSP in terms of offense. If he can build on his TDD, wrestling and BJJ he’ll be a force to reckon with but for now he’s just a heavy handed slugger with a smattering of skills that most other top 5 WW’s can also exploit.
Other guys I think would do the same:
Fitch – Take this fight and multiply by 10 for boring factor
Kos – Although Kos may be egotistical enough to try to bang with Hardy.
Alves – I think takes Hardy in every respect. Just as heavy handed with other tools
It’s been pointed out to him that Yoshida was outwrestling him in their fight before the DQ and he gave an excuse that it was part of his strategy to tire Yoshida out in the first round. He doesn’t have that excuse in this last fight so maybe he will finally learn better techniques to control his opponent.
*except against GSP
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i’d always root for Hardy against GSP. my ‘war Hardy" doesn’t mean i’m not aware he’ll probably never beat GSP
oh cool.
I just didn’t see the “war” part you were talking about is all. That’s why I put that. Against Swick and Davis I saw “war like” performances. But against GSP that was like what USA’s “war” against us (Canada) would look like.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean in ice hockey, Worbs? That's the only "war" Canada seems to top the US (besides GSP).
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
sigh..OJR..shhhh..i kinda like the fact that canadians are not known for being pro war..
and i don’t care too much for hockey..canadians are known for their comedians..don’t forget that..we are just wimpy (except for gsp) funny people..ok well that is taking it a bit far..steve nash was a good athlete..shit man..we only have like 30 000000 people..be nice
Hey, I like and respect Canada and Canadians but I don't like anybody shit talking my country. Its cool. I am not upset or anything.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
The only time we fought the US we won.
Don’t forget that. If it weren’t for us being so nice you would be Canadian too.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Yes, thanks for sparing us the concept of bagged milk and plaid shirts as evening wear. :P
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You don't have bagged milk?
I knew you guys were lagging behind, but it’s not like it’s free health care… :P
Also, war white vinegar!
Who wants to save the world? That's what misers do...
by theloupgaroukid on Apr 8, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
for the record
I was saying USA would fukn spank us in a war.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
count all your asses lucky
us great british folk didnt beat you in any wars youd be sippin tea and playing croquet on your lawn ;)
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Apr 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
OJ, Plaid shirts for evening wear? I never heard of that.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Canada vs. US - Shit gates closed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
haha i dont like war
im a peace kind of guy
speaking of peace – i hear the peace pipe calling my name!
yep...handed the Americans their asses in 1812...it used to be the |"Brown House" till we burned the MoFo down
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
its a fact OJ
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
SHIT. GATES. CLOSED. Please come back some other time.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
fact
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Canada?!?! F*CK YEAH!!!!!!
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
LOL. Look at you, strutting around like a peacock. Emphasis on cock...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
haha...that one never gets old...I have an excellent memory and remember you using that one on me before...lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
My fav line for you everytime you get the upper hand over me.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Oh you crazy canadians
Always making me laugh!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
that our job champ..
geezus..gotta go back to 1812 mac..that’s a stretch..ahhh..and once again..bagged milk is east coast..i have not seen bagged milk in decades..close this gate..the milk gate!!
Milk gate will forever be open. It was just too funny when each side thought the other was weird on the bagged milk debate. Classic.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Agreed!
The bagged milk debate will never get old.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
we sell bagged Milk which is cheaper than cartons hence we've been taken care of via health care for many years now
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
LOL. Nice. 2 shit gates in one. Health care and bagged milk.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
haha...I knew you'd notice
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
It ain't free. Taxes pay for it. :)
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
milk taxes
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I knew those bags were trouble...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Both of you Canucks are on a roll, eh?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I could reference our participation in WW1 and how we Canadian's basically won it for everyone but I'd be confidentally speculating
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
At least you are now referencing a war in the 1900's.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Almost this decade.
I think I also remember like 1,000 Canadians going to Desrt Storm after we blitzkrieged Saddam the first time. They were essentially trash pickers. :)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
jk fail...century
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
i was too stoned in school to remember my history..and i am not googling that stuff now..
i will leave it to you guys to fight that shit out with facts..leave jokes to me..that i got covered..
Get JJ in on this and he will reference at what time and year the King of Prussia usually rubbed one out.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
ahahaha true..
since my joke was wasted in the tuf recap thread..i have to use it here..
noke now joins all of you in choking a moneyshot out!! hehehe
Nice. Sarah's dirty jokes are a keeper on Mania.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
undisputed queen of dirty jokes here..that's for real..
i know hours of jokes, literally..i was tested on a road trip and i told jokes for more than 2 hours..non stop..tragic i fill my brain with such nonsense and filth..
and at which moment each soilder was killed
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
...killed by a moneyshot.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
hardy got it spot on
with what he said there. dude’s got respect
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
he'll never be in GSP's situation cause he'll never have the same tools
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
he'll always have his striking and will always be vulnerable
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Agreed.
Not this shit again, again.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
no doubt
Why do ppl keep praying for “the serra” fluke. It’ll never happen again. There isn’t a striker at 170 that can beat GSP. You gotta be evenly distributed, or even more wrestler then striker. A striker isn’t going to get the chance to “land that one punch”. But as my good buddy Cory R would say “everyone can be knocked out”, so what do I know?
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hey you had multilple chances to let it slide and thought you were superior to me
…And I didn’t know my sh*t. We’ll wait and see your great wisdoms and insights down the road “kid”. Looking forward to it.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20.
GSP had so many ways to win and Hardy presented so little of a challenge he didn’t know what to do with you. Complete overdomination.
When the champion is head and shoulders above the rest that’s what you get. We’re in for more of it this weekend.
Nah the real p4p kings will finish their fights
Either that or jay will produce a humiliating pic and sig for me.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Apr 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish you luck! War Silva!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Apr 8, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is kinda old
And I do understand what Hardys sayin, but GSP is a world class wrestler, and a champion, so his gameplan was perfect and he plain beat Hardy
GIVE HARDY SOME CREDIT
he did alot better than jon fitch did. fitch got his ass kick & nearly got finish severel times. but hardy hung n their.
You mean hardy couldn’t stop a take down and barely landed a punch. What did hardy do in any way shape or form that was better than fitch? I can give credit to hardy in the two areas he showed me he was good at. One being he can bend his arms in ways most people cant and two he can talk a ton of crap.
by Darren Watkins on Apr 8, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Something about talking a bunch of shit you can’t back up, getting totally dominated for 5 rounds, and being able to mount zero offense just doesn’t garner much respect from me.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
There's no such thing as playing it safe
It’s called knowing your strengths and your opponents weaknesses, Hardy likes standing well he better find a way to keep it standing as there are some pretty good wrestlers in the WW division and possibly another coming with Shields.Everybody knows GSP’s strenth is the ground game yet nobody can stop him from getting it there now thats impressive.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The crazy think is GSP is pretty good on his feet with striking. I cant wait till a WW comes up and can stop his take downs or take him down. I would love to see what he could do when he cant go to his bread and butter. I know Johnny Hendricks is new to the sport but he is someone that I would think should be able to stop his take downs from a pure wrestling back ground. And with more and more wrestlers starting to get into the sport where is the next evolution of mma?
by Darren Watkins on Apr 8, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
this a beating a dead horse but...
..it’s very true. Why does Hardy get some new found respect? I have the same respect for him now as I did pre fight. I like Hardy. But landing less then a jab a round and never posing any minimal threat in 25 mins doesn’t have me all of the sudden thinking “Wow what a warrior he is now”.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, he offered nothing
Also GSP played it smart, not safe. Some one needs to tell Hardy not tapping doesn’t make you more of a man either. You lost, would you rather have your arm broken and say you’re a real man ? GSP didn’t crank that kimura as much as he could have. I don’t see how Hardy can take anything away from this fight and feel good about it. He got totally dominated and he was mentally defeated. Go back and watch him sitting on his stool between rounds, he looks lost and completely defeated.
Gsp played smart not safe?
He played it smart & safe. He didn’t take any risks at all in that fight. I know he didn’t need 2 but he cudnt have played it any safer.
by d*locc on Apr 8, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Hardy actually tried to fight back...
…instead of being 100% in defensive mode once the fight hit the ground, it might have been a better fight, and the fans could have gotten that exciting finish Hardy so wanted to give them.
It’s really hard to finish a competent guy who won’t fight and is just trying to survive. In that title fight, what Dan Hardy did on the ground was pretty much what Kalib Starnes did on the feet in his last ever UFC fight… cower.
That depends on your perspective.
On the flip side, you could say that it would have been a more exciting fight if GSB would stand and bang, instead of playing ‘tackling dummy’ for 25 minutes. GSB used to be an exciting fighter.
Ground, grappling, transitions, standing, it was all expected and exciting to watch.
Now, I just expect him to tackle his opponent and play ‘blanket’ for 5 rounds.
I’ll take “Bones” Jones over that any day.
He wouldnt keep it safe to try and retain his belt........"BULLSHIT"!!
Its easy to say that right after you were just worked for 5 straight rounds. Title shots dont come quick and easy and Im sure no one out there holding one is going to try and fight so recklessly that they can potentially lose. Im sure Champions mind sets are a little differant going into these title defense situations. GSP learned from his lack of respect the night Serra KO’D him. I have never seen a boring GSP fight, I look forward to watching him more than anybody. Its fun to watch how easily he dominates his opponents and these are title contenders lol!!
exactly he doesnt bore me in the slightest
His opponents consistently showing up and looking worse and worse as a new “contender” emerges is what surprises and enthuses me.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel the same way
I think it takes a superb amount of skill to make a #1 contender look like a newcomer. I never did understand why some people give gsp such a hard time. I think he is a very talented fighter
by Isis on Apr 8, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP is a boring fighter now
I’m sorry but watching a “champion” lay on top of a guy for 5 rounds and do little ground and pound is boring. The most exciting moments were when he almost pulled of the submissions.
Blah blah blah, I’ve already conceited that GSP is a great fighter, a class act, etc. But you compare him with the other champions and only Jake Shields is more boring:
More Exciting champions: BJ, AS, Machida, Brock & Fedor
Less Exciting: Shields
Brock is one dimensional and Fedor isn't a Champion.
But I agree that BJ and AS take more risks. But did you really say Machida is more exciting than GSP? Really?
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Machida is my favorite fighter
I think every one of his fights in has been exciting
by kibbled_bits on Apr 8, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of whether you are serious or not,
I will agree with that as well. If you look at all the guys that are champions right now, most of them with the exception of BJ get ripped after there fights for being boring. AS boring, GSP boring, Lyoto boring, Brock one dimensional. LMAO its such a joke, these guys are champions for a reason, they’re not boring, they’re the best and I guess being the best must mean that you are boring. I think its just being on another level mentally and physically, these guys win with relative ease so it looks boring to fans that dont know much or just want to see guys get KO"D, fans with very short attentions spans. These guys are the best and I enjoy watching them win with ease regardless of how it looks to the uniformed/uneducated fans.
Being...
the best mentally and physically means knowing you can defeat your opponent at anytime. Look, BJ could of gone to a decison against Diego, but what did he do? Hell even Kenny Florian is more entertaining than GSP. I’d much rather pay the money to see BJ/Brock/Lyoto than GSP all day long..
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
id take a gsp fight over a machida fight
His opponents dictate his fight performances. Shogun makes that fight (and it wasn’t THAT great). And I’m still taking Lyoto in part 2.
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by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me to,
I dont think Lyoto will let this one go to the judges again, he was lucky to pull the last one off. Im expecting to see a more dominating effort by him this time, maybe a KO!!
Rua's got this in the bag
Trust me. Machida can’t do much more than he did last time. He was in the form of his life, finishing dudes clinically but didn’t even get close to finishing Rua.
Expect Rua to be more aggressive but intelligent with it in the next one. People forget how much of a savage a fully fit Shogun is. He’s a focking animal
I agree that this won’t go to the judges though
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Apr 8, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes my friend. Completely!
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Apr 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is a little more exciting than watching Fitch
May be a better way to put it
by kibbled_bits on Apr 8, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
what do you call exciting
So what do you consider exciting? You list people as the most exciting champions but they fight pretty similar to GSP. They finish some fights but not always finishing in the most exciting fights. Do you not like wrestling? Do you knot understand how hard it is to take people down left and right like gsp does. I guess am more of a fan of technique and good technique. Now yes some wrestlers can have boring fights but make the other fighter fight back and stop them instead of being mad that the fighter didn’t more to entertain you.
by Darren Watkins on Apr 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Foolio
How many takedowns in the UFC have finished fights? Very, very, few. This is MMA not a wrestling match and turning a MMA fight into a wrestling match is an insult to the sport.
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
Suggesting that being dominant in any one area of a fight is an insult to the sport is an insult to the sport
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
No, we completely disagree, and your failure to realize that makes me realize that I shouldn't waste any more time with you.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
How many jabs have finished a fight….I say get rid of jabs althogether because they’re not finishers.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Ever heard of Sugar Ray Robinson?
Ali? Hearns? Those guys kicked ass because they knew how to utilize jabs to soften opponents.
The jab is actually more important than the haymaker. Your statement is incredibly ignorant.
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
by Johnny WF on Apr 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think..
I gained respect for Hardy after the fight. No body gave him a chance surviving on his back for a few minutes let alone 25 minutes with GSP, but he did.
As far as GSP goes I’ve been saying this for the past year or so, but there is only a few people with extensive and old school MMA knowledge who’ll agree with me. GSP isn’t the best WW of all time nor is he even close to P4P best. Simply because he doesn’t finish he fights. He rides top position for 25 mintues and earns decisions because he knows how much judges look at takedowns and top control with little regard for what the person the bottom does to keep themselves in the fight. People bash on Sherk and Tito for riding out decisions, but yet GSP is god because he’s in Gatorade and Underarmor commercials lol. LAME.
GSP knows his strengths and plays with them very well, but it’s starting to get very repetitive and boring. His last entertaining fight was against Hughes. So, just because all of you have secret man-crushes on GSP doesn’t mean he is GOD of MMA..
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
You've hit the nail on the head, precisely...
…the truth, finally!!!
With all the stigma that goes with being gay in MMA its no wonder no-one admits it, but I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Die hard GSP fans ARE a little bit homosexualist by nature, maybe up to 15% gay at the weigh in, and as much as 20% during fight night. Down again to between 1.5% and 2% 24-48 hours after the fight, by which time such levels are below those required for self-awareness of the condition.
I think my figures are correct but correct me if Im wrong.
You guys are complete idiots. I don't mean that as a put down, just stating a fact.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Dice, don't engage in a battle of wits with unarmed posters.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Apr 8, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You have bested me sir.
I WILL use your post on someone else, somewhere else sometime.
Thanks for the advice OJR, we all need reminding from time to time.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
His fight with BJ was awesome….too bad BJ couldn’t do anything in that fight to make it even more exciting though.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
All of his fights are entertaining, if your the type of person that only wants to see KO'S and blood
then how could you have not like the when he put the smackdown on BJ. That was just a relentless beating, you had to have liked that one……..come on now!!
Him beating up on..
a natural LW and still not finishing him? Not too mention the possibility of GREASE?
I’m a big BJJ guy myself, no blood needed.
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
Fall back on the weight class thing, BJ wanted the fight and said he would fight to the death
instead he quite on his stool, which I think is way worse than being finished.
Put down the bong..
What good is it to go have a greasy guy lay on you for another 5 minutes?
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
lol, your funny man.
He didnt quit because a greasy guy was laying on him, remember BJ saying he sustained a concussion from being hit so many times. Due to the grease on GSP’s back his fist and elbow kept hitting BJ in the face lol!!! He quit because he and his corner said he had never taken a beating like that and they were concerned for his health. Get your facts straight before spewing utter nonesesne.
Whether someone quits during a round or between rounds doesn't matter. Either way he was stopped. He could no longer continue the fight.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Actually I think it's worse that he quit between rounds. He wasn't being injured at the time, he didn't have a serious injury, he just didn't want to get his shit pushed in any harder. Straight bitch move, IMO.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
it wasn’t a bitch move it was intelligent. If you want to see people fight to the death you missed that window by about 2000 years.
Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?
Fight to the death? Are you serious? What serious injuries did BJ have? How would one more round have killed him?
The guy said GSP didn’t stop him, but he did. He was exhausted, and mentally broken, so he quit. That’s a bitch move, IMO. Nothing to do with fighting to the death.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Like I said…I didnt see BJ doing any busted interviews from a hospital room on Sherdog like GSP did after BJ BEAT him in their first match.
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
You didn't see his hand raised after either fight did you?
That’s what I thought. GSP may have had to go to the hospital, but at least he didn’t quit between rounds.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
It can be hard to see when you get poked in the eye
and the grazing punch that followed broke his nose. Then there were another 13 minutes in the fight when he sustained exactly zero damage. This is a stupid argument to be having, GSP beat BJ twice, get over it.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Why is that a response to me?
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
sorry
It was directed toward xxBAxx16. I was agreeing with you, I should have specified.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
The grease was not a factor,
if your as big as BJ fan as you say you are then you would realize that he makes excuses anytime he loses. He never just gets beat, there is always a reason for the injustice lol/LMAO!!!!
He did finish him…BJ did not answer for the 5th round moron. Does BJ not cut for LW, did I miss something here? Did he not used to cut for WW as well. He is as natural a LW as a WW.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Your signature tells me how relevant you are to this conversation..
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
Do you even know what it’s from. It’s a lot better than your clearly delusional signature.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Great quote MM_Eh
I think it demonstrates your intelligence and sense of humor. Maybe more of the latter than the former, but the quality of your posts takes care of the rest. You really shouldn’t feed trolls, but they can be quite difficult to ignore.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I don’t care what it’s from. It’s a stupid statement posted by a stupid member.
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
You suck at life, and rarely if ever post anything relevant.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Engaging with this poster is an exercise in futility, you realize this, MMEh? Just saying...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Apr 8, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a complete waste of time trying to communicate with morons
I don’t even bother anymore.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Apr 8, 2010 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Same thing my ass. Like a cut is a finishing a guy too…
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet.
R.I.P. Dime.
its not the same thing xx??xx!! Its worse. He quit like a bitch and you know it. Quitting on the stool with one round to go is like getting cut?! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Get a clue
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Thats what I'm saying
You can’t help being cut, and most guys who have been cut would like to continue. BJ did not want to continue because…?
by DH. on Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant believe pepole are still making excuses for BJ.
Come on McArther quitting on your stool is like a fight being stopped due to a cut lol!!! Just kidding, these two situations couldnt be ant further apart. Guys are always pissed when they get cut and a DR. stops the fight, quitting on your stool is a personal choice.
Do you actually think that if BJ wanted to continue he would have let the fight get stopped? If he wasn’t so thoroughly dominated during the first four rounds he would have insisted that the fight continue. Don’t delude yourself. BJ is still an amazing fighter and by far the best competing at LW, but he was beaten down during that fight and verbally submitted as opposed to taking more damage.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I hate BJ as much as anyone
But the one rule of fighting is to always listen to your trainer. If his trainer told him not to keep going, he was right to stop.
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
by Johnny WF on Apr 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The one rule of fighting is to listen to your trainer? What school of fighting did you go to?
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
The one where you know someone’s got your best interests at heart.
You don’t think of the next fight when you fight. You care about winning at all costs.
It’s your trainer’s job to keep you safe.
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
Sure it's a part of fighting, but to say it's the one rule of fighting doesn't make sense to me.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
100%
GSP Does indeed play it safe.. I would like to see the old GSp that fought JAY Hieron that was a great fight
Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO
GSP fights are NOT entertaining,
and haven’t been since Serra knocked him out. I used to love watching GSP fight, I remember wanting him to KO Matt Hughes 1st time they fought cause he was such a new, dynamic, exciting talent. Matt at the time was pretty much like GSP is now, dominant with his Ground n Pound. In my opinion GSP has wicked standup, comes from a Karate backround, but refuses to take risks anymore. I mean, BJ Penn has awesome ground game but still likes to stand and trade with opponents, even at the risk of getting knocked out, even to much larger opponents. Same as many other fighters. Don’t talk to me about cementing a legacy or retaining sponsorships or whatever, this is fighting not athletics, fighters have aggressive instincts and thats why most fight fans watch boxing and MMA, for aggression and to see blood and KO’s.
A lot of GSP fans are saying they’d watch GSP no matter how he fought and thats they’re opinion. But, Im a fight fan and if I wanted to watch wrestling for 25 minutes I’d watch WWE, as a fight fan I found GSPs last fight boring, I’d rather watch Paul Daley fight some bum for 2 minutes then watch another 25 minutes of wrestling. GSP fans, don’t try convince me otherwise, I’m not having it, you won’t get me to agree, it’s like Celine Dion fans trying to get 50 cent fans to go to a concert, it will NOT happen, in my opinion GSP is the new Matt Hughes and he needs to have a look at himself and maybe think about whether he wants to be a fighter and fight, or be really strong, explosive, athletic and lie down on people.
Imagine if me 8lackfoot, told all my freinds and family “hey, you lot should watch me fight tonight Im gonna destroy this guy”. Now they turn up and watch me roll on the floor, topless, with some other man for 25 minutes, all sweaty and sticky. Then, after the fight all my pals will think, maybe I’m border-line gay. But my fans, my fans will think I’m the best fighter of all time, you see?
they are entertaining if your a GSP fan
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Your first paragraph has alot of merit. If you chop off the rest of this post after the first paragraph it is solid.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Apr 8, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
wow man let it out let it all out
quite the post there man kudos, do you feel better now lol, yeah gsp is boring i admit since the serra incident but i still respect the technical aspects of his game and how he does it,its not his fault his opponents cant stuff the takedown and make him fight standup
I disagree, he beat the shit out of Serra in the rematch and beat the shit out of Penn
He also dominated Hughes and submitted him
wtf did i miss?
Did our war convo get outta hand? They yanked like 10-20 comments. I been noticing a lot of my posts getting yanked recently. Kinda weird.
World Worb 3
by daniel worby on Apr 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
STFU Hardy
I’m sick of these whiners saying that could have done this and that or their opponents didn’t do this or that.
Bottom line is that you lost the fight and you got dominated. It’s like complaining about a BJJ fighter not willing to strike with you. Well you won’t get on the ground with him either right??? Stupid statement by hardy
Just another victim who needs to go back to the end of the line...
For all we rag on GSP for not doing more to finish the fight, Hardy doesn’t get props for surviving a 5 round beating when he couldn’t do anything to stop the takedown or fight off of his back.
GSP while "playing safe" also...
trying to finish the fight at least twice. He took Hardy down, wore him out, completely dominated him everywhere. Hardy never put GSP in a dangerous situation. GSP is a smart fighter, why put himself in danger when he could take Hardy down, bully him, make him work and tire out, then stand and bang while knowing Hardy is too tired to throw a KO punch. If GSP stood with Hardy from start to finish, he’s giving the advantage to Hardy, your retarded if you did that. The fight wasn’t all boring, GSP almost finished him twice. Hardy had no answer for anything GSP did to him. Hardy landed maybe 1-2 scratches. Hardy got the shot way too soon, like everyone said and knew.
Hardy said he had good JJ, but it looks like he got his JJ belts from the internets ‘cause GSP f’ed him up on the ground. He didn’t tap, but against someone better than GSP in BJJ, Hardy would be literally un-armed…
Being a complete fighter means your good at stand up, wrestling and submissions. If you don’t like takedowns, go watch K-1, MMA isn’t for you.
Haha totally
I couldn’t agree with you more. I think people’s short attention span makes them not like GSP or something. These are all really tough contenders that GSP is facing and it’s not always easy to finish a fight. Everyone gives hella credit to BJ Penn for his wins in the last couple of years. But let’s get real-the toughest guy he fought so far was probably Florian or Sherk. Both of them are kind of wienie babies anyway. Although it has been claimed that the lightweight division is stacked, it looks bleak to me. GSP and Anderson!!! Not BJ, not Fedor. (Fedor really bugs me with his whiny “I want more money” bs, that’s not what it’s about).
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ got TKO'ed, and GSP dominates without needing to finish
BJ’s corner asked him point blank twice if he wanted to continue and he stared into space without anything to say. He said himself in the post-fight he was knocked out on his feet in that fight. BJ whines about every loss, and my favourite was how he planned to work the rubber guard from his back as a strategy to win the fight; I have never, since 2000 when I started watching MMA, seen one fight decided by the dominant use of the rubber guard.
I don’t think there’s a lot to argue about GSP’s wins by dominating through grappling; grappling isn’t as exciting as a crushing kick to the face like he dispatched Hughes with. Grappling is subtle- unless you know it deeply yourself, excellence in it doesn’t jump off the screen in a compelling way.
I personally would like to see GSP finish people one way or the other, and I’m a huge GSP fan, but I also recognize that he’s one of the very few fighters who leave now doubt going to the scorecards that he creamed the other guy when the fight is done. I don’t take issue with people that dislike the way he wins- I see their point. But I also see that GSP uses his greatest strength to greatest effect consistently at a level no one can match. AS uses his striking the same way, but you don’t see many people complaining that he keeps winning the same way.
GSP used to be........
Exciting before he lost to serra…….well I agree and disagree with that. I used to be a big gsp fan, I’m still a fan but was very disappointed with his last fight, and still am baffled by his weak ground and pound. A good part of it could be that hardy is extremely and deceptively strong and nullified his g’np. I’ve seen pretty much all of his fights, his UFC debut with karo and guess what? Gsp took him down most of the fight..lol, gsp’s oldest fights are mostly on the ground. He started karate at 7 and was learning MMA by 18, he had very solid stand up skills and has stated I don’t know how many times early in his career that his favorite method of finishing a fighter is by ground and pound or submission, like his idol matt hughes.
GSP was called “Rush” because he rushed in aggressively and either ground and pounded out his opponent or subbed them…but lets be honest most of them were cans. Hid first real test was when he came to the UFC and fought karo, surprisingly taking him down almost every chance he got, even though it was obvious he had superior stand up skills.
His most entertaining fight of all time was a decision win he had with jason miller, a wicked fight, gsp really shined and let people see what he was capable of, but miller is a tough sob and gsp couldn’t finish him but it was a very entertaining fight.
I agree gsp’s fight’s pre serra/gsp 1 were his best but some of that had to be attributed to the fact the he didn’t have the belt, had so many fans he didn’t want to disappoint by an embarrassing loss, had never been t’ko’d, humiliated, but serra t’koing gsp IMO has shaken his confidence of taking a good punch unlike in the past. Pre bj/gsp 1 he had never bled before and the upper cut that caused his nose to bleed so much and the eye jab, really shook him up.
Lets look at his fights since he lost to serra..
1.koscheck- you could tell gsp was trying to put koscheck on his back and out of his comfort zone and submit him but was unable the first 2 rounds. The third round he stood with him and totally outclassed him on the feet causing koscheck to go for the take down, which resulting in gsp gaining top control and gsp winning the decision-average fight IMO
2.Hughes- Hughes was on a mission to take gsp down and wanted no part of his stand up, but he was too slow, gsp too fast and strong and gsp man handled hughes and secured an armbar, making hughes take verbally…lol great fight IMO.
3.Serra-Gsp wants no part of serra’s stand up and doesn’t want a repeat of there first fight, man handles serra, serra constandly turtles up and loses eventually by getting kneed-tko-average fight-nothing to write home about.
4.fitch-Gsp knows hes has the speed and striking advantage here and beats the tar out of fitch, the fight was on the ground at times mainly because gsp dropped him there with a punch. Fitch is a very tough guy and somehow survived, but took a major beating-good fight, I loved watching fitch get hammered.
5.penn-grudge match for penn-his first being a controversial fight and this fight more so. I don’t want to go into it but gsp owned penn after an even first round, taking penn down and pounding him out similar to penns last fight with hughes. Penn/corner quits after 3 rounds of g’np. decent fight and a great one for gsp fans.
6.Alves-gsp obviously had no intention of standing much with him and again was going for a submision, alves weakest link but his offense and strength was too much, gsp injures a groin in the forth gsp winning a dominating decision-ok fight and great one if you love great takedowns.
7.Hardy-one of gsp’s most boring fights yet IMO but would be amazing if you loved takedowns. GSP looked surprisingly good standing the few minutes he stood in the second round but seemed hell bent on “the beautiful finish” aka not harming his opponent brutally and with a submission. Came close twice but hardy survives and makes it to a decision.
I can see both sides of the gsp debate, he really does do everything in his power to fight his opponents at there weakest points. His last 4 opponents weakest and strongest points. Fitch weakest-standup-strongest wrestling..gsp stood with him. Penn strenghts very fast hands and great bjj weakness, not really any but his conditioning will aways be inferior to gsp….gsp wanted to g’np him. Alves strenghts very good stand up, weakest link grappling gsp trying subbing or g’np him and the same with hardy with hardy having a weaker ground game and lacking alves kicks. Pretty much in everyfight gsp fights opponents at there weakest not strongest point. Brock lesnar does this, machida does this, anderson silva does this…he pretty much won’t go to the ground with almost anyone. Bj penn prefers to stand and bang. None of the above have being ko’d, it would be interesting to see how how they would fight after that. GSP does takes the fight to the ground and standing more so than bj,silva or machida. I myself was disappointed with gsp/hardy in general with both guys, hardy looked awful, so much for “fist to face as often as possible” he had a few minutes in the second round. OMG this is one of my longest posts I doubt anyone with read all of this lol but since this is talk of the town I’ll throw in my 2 centsx100.
D gr8 deeb8
It seems this BJ&GSP thing always causes such a heated debate. I’m sure both fighter’s have moved on so y can’t their fans. Both are different fighters now thanks to Losses. BJ quit (yes quit) on the stool. GSP quit (yes quit) to getting pounded on. Are they the same fighters? I think not. GSP does not come across as a cheater, more a person to listen to his trainer. He is a man of honour, as is BJ (though Bj has a more colourful personality). Can we move on. I used to get caught up in this shit tryin 2 defend the fighter I feel so passionately about (dnt take that d wrng way). But hey… can we just agree they are both gr8 warriors and just appreciate their different styles and personalities.
They are definitely both great warriors
but I disagree that they’ve both gotten over it and moved on. BJ still brings up GSP and alludes to aspects of their second fight so I don’t think he’s over it. But that could also be because he wants to fight at WW and if you want to do that it makes sense to have an eye on the champ.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

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