What takedowns? Jake Shields outstrikes Dan Henderson 232-61 at Strikeforce 'Nashville'
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Thanks to CompuStrike for the stats. Check out the surprising numbers on "King Mo" vs. Gegard Mousasi after the jump.
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too bad . . .
so sad, now, Shields/GSP, get ’em Dana. . . . . BJ BJ BJ!!!
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
why all the Shields GSP talk?
Shields is a MW….I thought all this time he was WW since he talked about fighting gsp and there’s been so much talk about it.
He's a WW
just went up to MW to fight some different competition, and probably so Nick Diaz could dominate the WW division, and they wouldn’t have to fight each other.
I still don’t understand the Shields/GSP talk though. GSP would steamroll Shields.
Holland...
get with the program and this compugarbage out of here. FightMetric all the way. That’s the metric for MMA. They already have Lawal-Mousasi up and it tells the entire story.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 19, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with the program
Type FightMetric in the search field on the right you’ll see I give them plenty of love – but I also publish CompuStrike to give people different perspectives. They can make up their own minds after that, as you clearly have.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Apr 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t think takedowns shud b treated so well, for every second ur on top ur getting points, i think give less for takedowns and maybe that wud get rid of lay’n prey..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Dont give much for takedowns . . .
But what about when your takedown leads to the mount with several minutes left in the round (after almost being KO’d minutes earlier . . . .what ya give for that? Hendo had nothing but a punchers chance, how Wandi of him (where was his jits from the rampage fight/nog etc . . . wtf?
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
well..
i believe that takedowns shud get sum points, but i understand ur getting the fight where u want it wen u take them down, but shud a striker get points for standing and not throwing just because they want the fight to b there? i think wrestlers hav only been so dominant in the UFC and wat-not due to the rules, i am aware that this is strikforce and not UFC i was just saying, to answer u: i think u shud get good points for the mount because that is the most dominant poisition to b in, everytime someone gets taken down its mostly because their goal is to get the mount, not always but it seems thats wat most fighters aim for..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
Word . . .
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
srry for not answering completely..
i think a knockdown like that is better then the mount due to the fact that ur goal is to end the fight, and by my count, a huge knockdown is far closer to ending it then a mount..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
the only reason for getting into the mount is obviously because it’s easy to finish a fight from there and score a ton of points by punching a hole in your opponents head.
positional advantage is irrelevant to the scoring, you can be effective or ineffective from anywhere, that’s why we have eyes to see what’s going on.
last name ever, first name greatest.
like a sprained ankle, boy i ain't nothin to play with.
THen why?
“positional advantage is irrelevant to the scoring, you can be effective or ineffective from anywhere, that’s why we have eyes to see what’s going on.”
Then why did Lowal win this fight? He landed a lower percentage and few punches over all. Gegard was never in any real danger of getting finished, Lowal was rocked a couple of times.
Basically, because Lowal was on top for most of the fight, they gave him the call. Really though, the number show that Gegard won that fight.
I had Mousasi winning the 2nd round where he landed most of his punches in the fight from the bottom, Mo barely hit him once in that round so he’s gonna be ahead in the stats.
But it’s like in hockey, football or any other sport quality shots over quantity. Mousasi’s attempts and punches from the 3rd to the 5th round were weak because he was getting too tired so they didn’t really count as much as they did in the 1st and 2nd round.
last name ever, first name greatest.
like a sprained ankle, boy i ain't nothin to play with.
takin your opponent down shouldn't be counted as an offensive move
it should be effective grappling such as guard passing, striking, and sub attempts that score points. it’s fighting, and holdin a guy on his back isn’t fighting. and i’m referring to Queen Mo, not shields.
mousasi won that fight. look at the damn compustrike! he landed WAY more strikes, and a much higher percentage as well.
by LeeroyJenkin$ on Apr 19, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mousasi gave up 9 TD's?!?
Now that’s sad.. that’s 9 friggin times he couldn’t keep the fight standing. If I was dissapointed with anyone the entire damn night of fights it was Mousasi.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
i have to respectfully disagree....
Gegard fought quite well of his back and i see no shame in being taken down by an olympic level grappler like Muhammad lawal…..
"Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most" - Ozzy
by Deathwishstriker on Apr 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT . . .
To act like MO is nothing, smirking, smiling, actin too cool for school every time the press is around you both, even through the first two rounds he acted as if “No biggie, this guy is nothin for a stud like me!” When i finally saw Gegard lay his head back on the mat in the 3rd round i laughed my ass off, it was over and he had givin up and MO wasnt tired, tired of course, but not mentally exhausted and defeated like Gegard, dont act like such a bad ass if you cant even stop a single taskedown attempt from a guy with 6 mma fights . . . . Before you were too cool for mo, now let me guess, hes an epic college wrestler, a diamond in the rough, NO, Gegard just sucks, period.
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Contradictions:
“… MO wasnt tired, tired of course….”
Huh?
“To act like MO is nothing, smirking, smiling, actin too cool for school every time the press is around….”
then…
“Gegard, dont act like such a bad ass "
Huh? Who was acting like a badass?
Watch the weigh ins or any sraure off of the two over the past week, Gegard always with a smirk to MO, i dont like either of them but to act like your the shit when in reality its your takedown defense thats the shits is rather funny since he had such a decent underground following, much like Aoki . . . . BJ BJ BJ!!!
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sraure = square
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello McFly...
“Gegard always with a smirk to MO”
Thats how Gegard smiles. moron. Mo talked WAY, WAY more crap. PERIOD. LMFAO to think the opposite.
" when in reality its your takedown defense thats"
I didn’t see Gegard TRY to stop the takedowns. He knew that Mo had NOTHING for him once the fight went to the ground. And Gegard was right. In Japan, where the Gegard has most of his experience, taking the fight to the ground means less if you don’t do anything with it. I suspect he thought he was doing just fine as he was ABSOLUTELY WORKING Mo from the guard. But here, the judges think if you takedown an opponent you are dictating the fight. Why would Gegard stand up, he was demolishing Mo’s face from guard. Why do you not understand this?
Does a striker get more points against a grappler if the fight stays standing but he worked? Meaning, would Crocop get decision in a fight with a wrestler if the wrestler stayed standing and outstruck him…after all Crocop did keep the fight standing? No he wouldn’t.
Gegard let the fight go to the ground because he SCHOOLED MO once it got there. Guys like you and other noobs (and boxing judges) think if you lay on top of a guy, you are beating him. Even if the guy on the bottom isn’t trying to get up and is working the guy on top.
Next….
totally agreed
Queen mo’s face was a mess. his eye got shut completely. mousasi thought he was winning the fight, which he was, because it’s a FIGHT, not a damn wrestling match. did mo have:
effective striking: no, he got completely outstruck
grappling: no, he went for 0 subs, and got punched up on the ground.
control: no, no matter where the fight went, he was getting beat up and outstruck.
aggression: mousasi had a MUCH higher output of strikes.
by LeeroyJenkin$ on Apr 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it sucks, but...
we’re not in japan any more, dorothy. and unless gegard is a complete idiot, he should’ve known that and stuffed the takedowns.
formerly JB, trying to figure out this whole new SB deal. oh, and another thing; i'm not impressed by your performance.
Lol "Gegard just sucks"
See my sig
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
In the wake of Strikeforce: Nashville, Mousasi is exposed and overrated, King Mo is a dominant fighter, Aoki sucks, Hendo is old, and Shields can beat Anderson and GSP.
Geez, some people.....
by Synyster_08 on Apr 19, 2010 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
worst sig ever
"Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most" - Ozzy
by Deathwishstriker on Apr 20, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
That’s what some people believe after Saturday
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
In the wake of Strikeforce: Nashville, Mousasi is exposed and overrated, King Mo is a dominant fighter, Aoki sucks, Hendo is old, and Shields can beat Anderson and GSP.
Geez, some people.....
by Synyster_08 on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
my take on it...
King Mo is a dominant wrestler and i concede that by dint of octagon control thoughout the match he did win, but that exposes nothing we, or atleast I, didn’t already know and it by no stretch of the imagination makes Mousasi overrated……Aoki isn’t a fighter, he is a grappler. Only a matter of time before that little gem was exposed…..Hendo is old. So…….and two words pretty much sum up my response to that last comment, “Child Please.”
"Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most" - Ozzy
by Deathwishstriker on Apr 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
how many people were saying Hendo is old on Friday?
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
In the wake of Strikeforce: Nashville, Mousasi is exposed and overrated, King Mo is a dominant fighter, Aoki sucks, Hendo is old, and Shields can beat Anderson and GSP.
Geez, some people.....
how many people are saying it now.....not a significant number
his age had nothing to do with his loss……him and couture seem to be exempt from the rules the rest of us have to abide by……jake shields just outgrappled and outworked him…….and i am going to assume you agree with the rest of my response since you only took issue with this portion…..
"Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most" - Ozzy
by Deathwishstriker on Apr 21, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
While I like your avatar...
Mo got Gegard down 9 times, and did NOTHING. Gegard kicked Mo’s ass from the bottom (so to speak), and Mo didn’t kick anyones ass anywhere.
I get that it’s control and that’s how fights are judged, but man..
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
GSP . . .
takes guys down and does nothing on the regular, if everyone thought like you Penn would have won the first fight, no?
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it as the same.
GSP takes guys down, controls them, and TRIES to do things. He tried like hell to submit Hardy, but Hardy’s a tough bastard. Mo on the other hand just took Gegard down and had no idea what to do afterwards.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
completely untrue
GSP is always moving, advancing position and attempting subs.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
What about the first Penn fight . . . simple as that, maybe hes trys more now, but the first Penn fight is all id like you to refer to. . . . Since this mo/Gegard fight was just one fight of mos lets just use one of GSP’s OK . . . Penn/GSP1 vs Mo/Gaygard1 . . . . GO-
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
"Look Eye! Must Always Look Eye!!"
by ( (Adam G) ) on Apr 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hey guess what adam
penn got his ass handed to him the second fight, oh and he just got his ass beat by frankie edgar as well, go slit your wrists already
by xquisitewretch on Apr 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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Can we compare GSP/Penn 2? When GSP kicked Penns ass left, right up and down?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Uhm odd to look at a fight that old in a vaccum
He was young in his career and he outworked a BJ Penn who wasn’t conditioned?
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
I just don't see how a guy with 30 fights gives up 75% of all TD's to a guy with 6
I don’t doubt that Mo is just that good; but it’s not like Mousasi didn’t know what the guys gameplan was gonna be. He should’ve been more prepared, it’s not like those shots were slick GSP level setups; most the time it looked like Gegard just gave it up especially in rds 4-5 those were some sloppy shots and he just let Mo have it. Couldn’t believe it.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I believed the commentaters at first, thinking he was letting Mo tire himself out – and it seemed to be working. But it just kept going and going…
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
"I just don't see how a guy with 30 fights gives up 75% of all TD's to a guy with 6"
Dumb argument…
Because it was Mo’s bread and butter,thats why. He is able to take someone down. Did he do anything with it other than headbutt Gegard’s foot and fists? No.
Consider it striking… would you say" i just don’t see how Nog, who has 30 fights, can get Ko’d by a guy with only 6 fights, like Cain? The difference is that Cain did it with a finishing move. Mo did it with a position move….then did NOTHING but get outstruck once he had poisition….okaaaaay. Great champion.
Just tryin to be confrontational to be confrontational and arguing for the sake of arguing again Dave...
How about the line in my post reading “I don’t doubt that Mo is just that good.”
But did I expect more out of you?? Nada..
Read the rest of the post before you reply, I like how you take the first line, then twist it to mean whatever you like without addressing the fact that the post went into cardio and gameplan and also complimented Mo right after the heading. But, lo and behold here comes StrikerDave; the man who can write but not read; which is an amazing talent btw.
And giving up all the TD’s so you can throw hammer fists off your back from guard is a great gameplan there Dave.. It worked out so well.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How?
" I like how you take the first line, then twist it to mean whatever you like"
How did I twist what you are saying? Aren’t you saying that Gegard should be able to stop the TD? Even though Mo is takedown specialist, I don’t think Gegard was trying to stop it on the 9 he got. Why would he stop the TD? Mo got schooled once it got to the ground.
“And giving up all the TD’s so you can throw hammer fists off your back from guard is a great gameplan there Dave.. It worked out so well.
Sounds like you are agreeing with the idea that Mo can get schooled standing and on the ground but since he went for uncontested TD’s and did nothing with that position that he should have won. Really? Like I said above…Does a striker get more points against a grappler if the fight stays standing but he gets worked? Meaning, would Crocop get decision in a fight with a wrestler if the wrestler stayed standing and outstruck him…after all Crocop did keep the fight standing? No he wouldn’t. Stoopid.
It sure sounds like you are a believer in lay and pray, rather than good grappling skills, exploiting position, and winning the fight both standing and countering on the ground. Which Mo didn’t do.
In fact, Gegard countered EVERYTHING Mo did on the ground, out struck him on the ground and while standing, and landed more power punches, all while NEVER being at risk of being finished. So explain to me why you think Mo won the fight. Is it because he did 9 moves (in a 25 minute fight) that were uncontested that lead to nothing; not a finish, not a risk of being finished, nothing but praying…hence lay n pray.
First off it doesn't matter who I think won the fight; the belt is around Mo's waste, period.
Secondly this is nothing new; a wrestler got TD’s laid on a guy for 18 mins out of 25 and won a decision; now you’re just shocked… right… Judges score position and TD’s big, always have; this is nothing new, Mousasi knows this and fans should know this as they coined the term “lay n pray” to describe the style of fight. I have no clue why you’re acting all shocked/surprised that the belt went to Mo. He maintained a dominant position for 18 out of 25 mins. KNOWING how big TD’s/position scores in MMA; how the fuck is it a good game plan to give up every TD and fight off your back for 5 rds? Maybe somewhere around rd 3 or going into rd 4 it’s time to switch up the plan?? MAYBE?!?
I never said that IMO Mo won the fight, again you’re making up an argument that isn’t there. I was griping about Mousasi’s approach to the fight. He knew going in what Mo was gonna do; everyone knew wtf Mo was gonna do. What; you thought he was gonna stand and trade with Mousasi for 5 rds?? The plan should’ve been sprawl and brawl, fight off the TD’s, you’ve seen with fighters like Alves that a person can train TDD like crazy and keep a world class wrestler at bay so they can strike.
I doubt that was the plan; I doubt Mousasi took him as seriously as he should’ve, he was noticeably tired in the later rounds giving up the TD’s in the 4th and 5th to these shots that weren’t even set up well. It was ridiculous.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you reading what I am saying...
“First off it doesn’t matter who I think won the fight; the belt is around Mo’s waste, period.”
Really? I didn’t know that. And the sky is blue…we all breath oxygen….etc..
Fail.
“a wrestler got TD’s laid on a guy for 18 mins out of 25 and won a decision; now you’re just shocked…”
Who said shocked. I am not shocked…I think it’s lame but not shocked. Are you here only to agree that things are great, nothing needs changing, every thing is just so great?
Fail.
“Mousasi knows this and fans should know this”
Did he? In Japan, they don’t score ti like that. It’s his third American fight and his first against a GNP guy. He probably thought he was winning the fight. He did almost double up on strikes on the new “champ.”
Fail.
" they coined the term "lay n pray"
Huh? Why would you even type that Gegard fans coined the termed “lay n pray”? This (like the decisions for lay n pray fights) is nothing new.
Fail.
“KNOWING how big TD’s/position scores in MMA”
I MMA? Or in North American MMA? In Japan, they don’t pretend that, to use your words, “a wrestler got TD’s laid on a guy for 18 mins out of 25” it means he is really winning the fight. It may look like it to you but they really aren’t. I suspect that around the time he had landed an AVERAGE OF 16.8 MORE PUNCHES PER ROUND than Mo did that he may have thought he was winning in spite of the superficial and unused takedowns.
Fail.
" I never said that IMO Mo won the fight, again you’re making up an argument that isn’t there."
I said “sounds like” you are. And It does sound like you think that superficial, unused takedowns are more valid than superior striking and counter grappling. Otherwise you would agree with Gegard’s strategy, right?Or are you saying he should not try to really be a better martial artist, and rather he should have stuffed Mo’s takedowns because it would look better, even though it lead to Mo taking more punishment? So what are you saying, that he had a bad strategy for trying to outstrike/outgrapple his opponent, or that his strategy should have been to bitch out and go for superficial points that really aren’t a reflection of true martial arts mastery? Which is it?
“you’ve seen with fighters like Alves that a person can train TDD like crazy and keep a world class wrestler at bay”
Yeah, that worked great for Alves against GSP. Maybe Gegard thought he should allow the takedown and out perform Mo from his guard… which he did.
Fail.
Keep typing words….you may be right one of these times.
By the way, answer the question above.
Dave you're just looking for an argument, and picking fights where there are none
I don’t know if it’s cause you’re bored and have nothing better to do or what you’re problem is; but the only thing around here I see as complete failures are your posts.
“Yeah, that worked great for Alves against GSP. Maybe Gegard thought he should allow the takedown and out perform Mo from his guard… which he did.”
GSP is the best WW in the division, it certainly worked great against Koshcheck and Hughes both very high level wrestlers no? Just cause he couldn’t stop the BEST wrestler in the WW division doesn’t mean he doesn’t have excellent TDD; BTW, has ANYONE been able to consistently stuff Georges in a fight? No?? So you’re example is retarded?
“So what are you saying, that he had a bad strategy for trying to outstrike/outgrapple his opponent, or that his strategy should have been to bitch out and go for superficial points that really aren’t a reflection of true martial arts mastery? Which is it?”
His strategy should’ve been to sprawl and brawl; not go to the ground with an olympic level wrestler and throw hammer fists, especially when Mousasi has a HUGE advantage in the stand up. You attack your opponents weakness not play into his strength, yes giving up the TD’s over and over and over again was dumb; having a game plan to intentionally do it? worse. Again you’re the only one FAILING here.
“Did he? In Japan, they don’t score ti like that. It’s his third American fight and his first against a GNP guy. He probably thought he was winning the fight. He did almost double up on strikes on the new "champ”
This ain’t Japan, it is NORTH AMERICA thanks for pointing that out captain obvious, maybe he should watch some NORTH AMERICAN MMA in preparation for fighting in NORTH AMERICA.. again… are you retarded???
" said "sounds like" you are. And It does sound like you think that superficial, unused takedowns are more valid than superior striking and counter grappling. Otherwise you would agree with Gegard’s strategy, right?"
Sounds like you would love to make assumptions based on what you would like to argue about to keep entertained, or just waste my time, or w/e you’re doing I don’t even know what your dumbass goal is. No I don’t agree with his strategy, if his strategy was to give up TD’s and fight off his back. If his strategy was to stand and sprawl TD’s he failed miserably and has a crap ton of work to do on his wrestling.
Don’t bother with a response, I’m moving on, you argue to argue, you type just for no better reason than to keep typing. It’s not worth a damn trying to have a discussion with someone who opens his post bitching about how dumb your opinion is and how godlike they’re MMA knowledge is. Get over yourself, while you still can!
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ret-ard.
I am here for a good debate…why are you here, just to say “Everything is great, it’s just so great!”
“GSP is the best WW in the division, it certainly worked great against Koshcheck and Hughes both very high level wrestlers no? Just cause he couldn’t stop the BEST wrestler in the WW division doesn’t mean he doesn’t have excellent TDD; BTW, has ANYONE been able to consistently stuff Georges in a fight? No?? So you’re example is retarded?”
No d*ckhead. That was your example. I don’t even understand your point here. Alves is great and all but his TTD can help him or fail him. Rather than Gegard stopping a takedown that allowed him to be more effective from his guard, he allowed it…to be more effective. Do…you…understand?
“Mousasi has a HUGE advantage in the stand up. You attack your opponents weakness not play into his strength, "
Oh, is that how you win? Sorry , I didn’t realize you are Greg Jackson, or a trainer at ATT or AKA. Idiot. Maybe Gegard knows something more about MMA than you do? One could also argue that why expend energy fighting a superficial TD and tear him up on the ground. So easy argue your so called points.
“This ain’t Japan, it is NORTH AMERICA”
Obvious response. I knew you respond that way. So unoriginal, so ignorant. Yawn. Of course it’s NA. But, North American MMA isn’t the right MMA or the only MMA it is stylized towards Americans…not by design but by default. Excuse Gegard for thinking that superior striking and grappling beats unused, flashy takedowns. I notice you don’t challenge Gegard beat him in striking and grappling just that he was taken down more. Do you even like MMA? If so why? You are kind of missing the point of it.
“Sounds like you would love to make assumptions based on what you would like to argue about to keep entertained,”
WTF? Okay, again, you fail to challenge the accuracy of what I am saying.
“No I don’t agree with his strategy, if his strategy was to give up TD’s and fight off his back.”
So you are saying that fighting off your back is a stupid strategy even though he out grappled and out struck Mo from his guard. You realize that you are saying that Gegard should have bitched out and tried to stop a useless takedown just because it would look better. I know, I know, you think style is more important than substance. When you mature, you will understand the contrary. Does it matter where he issued more damage? No. Just that he did. Mo was totally useless on the ground, everything he did on the ground was countered. Gegard issued more damage from that position than Mo could from the position that Mo “dictated”. Learn about martial arts before you write. You just sound stupid. I know being on top looks good and YOU wouldn’t do well from that position but you aren’t trained in martial arts and are just an ignorant fan…if that’s what you really believe.
“If his strategy was to stand and sprawl TD’s he failed miserably and has a crap ton of work to do on his wrestling.”
Do you understand english?His strategy wasn’t to sprawl and brawl or else he would have tried.
“you type just for no better reason than to keep typing.”
LMFAO. You are just rewording what I told you. Let me guess O’Damn, you are under the age of 22 aren’t you? It shows.
You make ignorant, testosterone laced arguments that are based on assumptions and not any practical knowledge. You have now wisdom behind anything you have said.
“Don’t bother with a response, I’m moving on,”
Said the loser of the argument on every level
“It’s not worth a damn trying to have a discussion with someone who opens his post bitching about how dumb your opinion is "
Again, proof that you are young or at least immature. Yes everybody is entitled to thier own dumb opinion, that’s what they teach in school these days. But the flip side of that is that when you state a dumb opinion, people with challenge it. You can go ahead and think that 2+2=5…you are entitled to that opinion. But I am entitled to tell you were the flaw in that is. If I was too harsh for you….go cry to your mama.
Goddamn dude chill the fuck out
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
In the wake of Strikeforce: Nashville, Mousasi is exposed and overrated, King Mo is a dominant fighter, Aoki sucks, Hendo is old, and Shields can beat Anderson and GSP.
Geez, some people.....
by Synyster_08 on Apr 19, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry...
am I hurting your feelings now?
You have a pic of Gegard in your avatar. I am just debating that he should have won the fight. O’Damn has a history of saying really, really stupid things. This is just another case of him stating BS and then backpedaling.
No it's another case of you being a complete idiot
And trying to get confrontational over the internet for absolutely no reason. You read my shit and interpreted way off, I can’t even bother with you because you’re willfully ignorant. I’m sorry that your IQ is lower than than your shoe size.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And no, I didn't even bother with that wall of text
I don’t need to read to know you twisted shit the way you wanted to, took comments out of context and then argued points that were never up for debate in the first place.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And lastly,
there is no such thing as a “debate” with you, you’re an asshole, there’s you telling people they’re stupid and then acting like you know everything
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
striker dave is some “wonderkid” when it comes to MMA….writes insanely long posts and rips people and reverts to words like “retarded” and “fag”. Grow up.,,,
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Must be the longest comment ever,
Talking about SD’s.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Really
“Must be the longest comment ever,”
I know lots of words..they’re scary for some aren’t they.
by StrikerDave on Apr 20, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
Three responses without me saying anything.
Did you get your feelings hurt? Ahhhh.
Too bad. You really don’t like it when someone disagrees with you, huh? Mom must keep saying positive things to you all day.
Anyway, if you want to discuss MMA instead of whining about getting get whooped in a debate, feel free.
by StrikerDave on Apr 20, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
lol....
wow… still at it with the attempts to get personal and insisting you won some debate that you made up by misunderstanding my posts in the first place. If I want to discuss MMA I’ll try and do it with someone that can at least be civil in presenting their point and a lot less ignorant.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 20, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao
this ‘discussion’ is hilarious thanks for the entertainment while im at work guys..but
strikerdave just seriously youv done it many times before just taking quotes of what people say then saying some BS which isnt even relevant to what the person said
dude seriously get a grip stop calling people names its petty and pretty pathetic that you must resort to such internet-thuggery
p.s KING MO FTW
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Apr 20, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm?
“you must resort to such internet-thuggery
p.s KING MO FTW"
Um, yeah. No nuthuggery going on there.
And for O’Damn, tell me how I misunderstood your point?
To try and sum it up very without re-hashing all this garbage
I was MORE dissapointed with Gegards approach to the fight; and failure to change up his gameplan going into the 4th-5th rd than I was impressed by King Mo.
I never said that it was my own personal opinion that King Mo won the fight; but I can see why a judge would give it to him due to position and control as they may not be fighters themselves or train mma themselves. I also believe that either Mousasi or his trainers were aware of this fact; I find it hard to believe they’ve never seen judges render a horrible decision.
I knocked Mousasi’s performance because he or his corner should’ve recognized the danger of giving up TD’s and a dominant position in every round and then going to a decision. I felt going into the championship rounds, someone should’ve encouraged him to go for broke/change up the gameplan.
I was also dissapointed with his conditioning; as I felt that Mo was gassed in the 4th and 5th rds and that his shots were sloppy; yet Mousasi still gave up the TD’s.
It’s my OPINION that Mousasi is a much better striker than Mo and that he would’ve been better served picking him apart on the feet.
Nowhere did I discuss generalizations, such as the strategy of giving up TD’s to work for guard in and of itself. No where did I praise TD’s and dominant positions as superior to volume of strikes/damage. Matter of fact if you scroll up I even referred to what Mo did as “Lay n Pray” which is a derrogatory term.
Now I’m done; if that doesn’t clear it up, and you’re still sore for whatever reason then I’m sorry, I don’t know what to tell you.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Gegard VS Mo
was a good fight imo…….one which i hope will only make gegard a better fighter in his next go around……
"Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most" - Ozzy
by Deathwishstriker on Apr 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
agree
Mousasi needs about 6 months in a top US training camp, to fix that takedown defense hole he has.
by justbleed9999 on Apr 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny...
how in all the pre fight interviews that the “Olympic wrestler” Henderson was complaining that Shields wanted to take the fight to the ground. What’s wrong with that picture?
King Mo
The new King of Lay n Pray!
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I hit a Mo, Melendez, Shields parlay! Payout was 20 -1
To all the haters who told me I was retarded for picking Shields.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Nice mate
If my online bookies actually did SF events and I hadn’t have wasted my money on “locks” at 112 then I’d be loaded right now. Oh well at least I got the points for Macs pool.
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Congratulations Jake, Gil and Mo. From the only Maniac to pick all 3 of them.
by David W-S on Apr 20, 2010 5:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Mousasi needs about 6 months in a top US training camp, to fix that takedown defense hole he has. Mousasi did a massive amount of damage from his back, but he would have won that fight with better takedown defense.
LOL..
I think they outstruck Aoki 5 to 1.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 19, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo suprised me on the feet.
He was catching Gegard with some heavy shots throughout the fight.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 19, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
I think either your TV or mine is broken because one of our images were really distorted. I only saw Gegard catch Mo with heavy shots in this fight.
Watch again and tell me who gets the better of the stand-up.
Most the damage Gegard inflicted came when he was on his back or when Mo was grabbing a leg.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I did....
Still have Gegard winning the standup.
Actually, I have Gegard winning the fight. Standing and on his back, Gegard issued more damage. Except when Mo kept head butting the bottom of Gegard’s feet…..vicious headbutts.
all he did was more damage..
fights are not judged on JUST damage
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by Rampagelangford on Apr 20, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow..
Mo got his ass kicked on the ground and standing for five rounds, yet he still won a belt…Shows you that takedowns need to be mininmalized especially if you spend all 5 minutes in someones gaurd getting punched in the face.
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Yea I dont agree with Mo winning the fight either, if anything it should have been ruled a draw, but I guess with the Yellowcard/Point deduction it was enough to sway the Judges. Im thinking that Gegard was thinking that he was fine on the bottom and on his way to winning as though he was In Dream or Pride as the rules are alot different when it comes to scoring. For Mo to say that he wasnt in danger or hurt is just dumb, his face is mashed an he was one more Upkick away from being Ko’d imo. No comment on Shields./Hendo other then Disappointment :/ Gegard will be back an more dangerous then ever. Have a feeling they do that rematch right away, an wouldnt surprise me if Gegard had something in his contract allowing an immediate rematch.
How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??
A immediate rematch right away would be a bad idea
Gegard needs to work on his takedown defence big time were king Mo was not throwing as much on the ground becasue he was exhausted and improving endurance is much simpler than improving takedown defence.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
What about Abu Dabi?
When did you see Dana white saying good thing about other organization ?
Jake shields Just beat a Top UFC Contender, What he has to say about that?
Abu Dabi was just horrible , Lost my Money
by Fabricio D Araujo on Apr 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions

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