BJ Penn: I'm not on the pound-for-pound list anymore -- that's gotta be Fedor
by Jesse Holland on Apr 14, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
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"I’m not happy about losing the title. I don’t want to take anything away from Frankie. He did a good job. As a fighter, you’re always thinking you’re winning the fight and you never think you’re losing. You just have that mental mindset. Looking back at it, I just want to congratulate Frankie. My first thought was I gotta get back in the ring immediately and I want to get back on track. The UFC actually called us yesterday and they want to put a rematch in the works and we’ll see what goes from here. I think I got a good idea at what he’s gonna try and do. I know his power, I know how hard he punches, and I know the way he moves. I got that pictured in my mind. The rematch is going to be more technical. After my defeat decision the past couple of days ago, I’m not on [the pound-for-pound] list anymore. It’s gotta be Fedor. He finishes his guys and how can I argue against him?"
Former UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn is already planning on his rematch with newly crowned division kingpin Frankie Edgar after "The Prodigy" came up short on the judges scorecards last Saturday night (April 10) at UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi. The Hawaiian has been considerably humble following his shocking defeat and even bestows the pound-for-pound title on famed Russian heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko. Is "The Last Emperor" a surprising choice considering he's a non-UFC fighter?
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Wouldnt surprise me if he did
Baby Jay gets what Baby Jay wants, he’s the master of crying and whining.
by Lester The Pimp on Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny Short_Bus is funny enough.
" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"
-MMA expert kevjack115
Fraudo
U cant be serious. How can anyone argue against a person that has never lost basically and has beat top names period… who is better? not gsp hes not even top 2. Anderson is the closest and on Fedors heels. But thats it.. you guys are a JOKE
Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO
by The real ZACK on Apr 14, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
he's lost 6 times..
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Apr 15, 2010 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yea I forgot
THAT YOUR A JACKASS
Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO
by The real ZACK on Apr 15, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
STFU! so sick of the BJ bashing! you wanna know why BJ gets what he wants? Cuz he is one of the top 5 fighters on earth, and he isnt a pussy who is scared of testing himself!...
All he asks for are big challenges regardless of weight! I will take that over a champion who plays it safe, acts like its the end of the world if he gets hit, and refuses to fight unless he out weighs his opponent, or at the very least is the same weight!
BJ gets what he wants cause he deserves it, and everything he asks for is a legit challenge!
He always speaks his mind regardless of if we agree with him, instead of giving us generic answers everytime you interview him!
Focking WAR BJ PENN!!!!
by John G. on Apr 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s bullshit if BJ gets an immediate title shot. Yeah, it was super close… but the division needs intriguing title fights. Make him at least beat Maynard and give Kenflo a shot at Edgar. BJ gets a title shot every second fight as it is. This guy is becomning the Randy Couture of the 155 division.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
Nobody has mentioned Kenny fighting except for a couple people on this site.
As all the BJ haters say “get over it”. It is either BJ or Maynard. You seriously want Frankie vs Maynard for the title. That, my friend, is a joke.
Frankie vs Maynard is a HUGE joke.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
PPV buys would reflect that. It won’t happen. Give Kenny another crack. He destroyed Guida and Gomi and has been a lot more impressive than Sanchez was. Plus a Penn/Florian rematch would sell.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I prefer BJ/Frankie for the title and Kenny/Maynard for #1 contender on the same night free on Spike since Dana owes us one.
I would fucking love that, it would be awesome!!!!
but hell (Dana) probably end up giving us a free card with 1 or 2 big names but that are past there prime like
Ortiz
Couture
hughes
something around those lines
Pound for Pound top 5
1. Anderson Sliva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Jose Aldo
It hurts me having to take B.J. off
by NorCal Mexican on Apr 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomi has been alot more impressive than Sanchez was
Damn you almost made me lol.How the hell is that possible,Gomi got worked and finished by Diaz who Diego took down and brutally raped for 3 rounds.Sanchez always puts on exciting fights with the exception of the Kos fight when he had Staph and maybe Alessio.But thats only 2 out of like 26 total.
I am all for rematches if there was an early stoppage or something occured that needs to be settled, but this fight was a 25 minute jab-fest with neither fighter ever trying to finish. When you rely on the judges to hand you the win, dont complain about the outcome if you lose and dont expect an automatic rematch.
If the UFC resembled a sport in ANY way and wasnt solely concerned about PPV sales, BJ would have to work his was back to the top and earn his next title shot. I mean shit that is only fair. But apparently because BJ has more talent than everyone else in the division combined, he can mail in his fights and demand a fucking immediate rematch if things dont work out.
by captainStevo on Apr 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's unfair.
If Hardy had pulled the impossible, I sure would have demanded a rematch. Some people can be but two things, champion or #1 contender. BJ is no longer on the pound for pound list but is clearly the #1 lightweight contender nonetheless. If Frankie beats him twice, none of that will stand.
" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"
-MMA expert kevjack115
Some people can be but two things, champion or #1 contender.
With all due respect Yann, you’re wrong.
That scenario results in neverending title rematches. If you lose, you work your way back up like everyone else — regardless of how close it was.
It makes for better fights, more variety of fights, and a more entertaining sport.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right JJ.
I’m making a fool of myself here today thinking BJ still belongs to the same class as GSP. Being a great fighter requires intelligence and BJ’s doesn’t compare to GSP. You can’t be dumb and be great. I don’t think his not taking Edgar down was a tactical mishap. It was plain dumb.
" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"
-MMA expert kevjack115
Talent definitely isn’t everything.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 14, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Take it easy on that poor AdamG,
he has not been well since UFC94. The psychological damages he received then were made worst by UFC112. He is beyond salvation.
" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"
-MMA expert kevjack115
I dont see exactly how Frankie won that fight on the score cardes anyway
He clearly lost the first 2 rounds,i dont think he did anything the 3rd or 4th to decisively win those rounds.The only round i seen him winning and not by far was the 5th.nd thats becuz of the takedown mainly.Penn sustained no damage on the ground and hopped rite back to his feet…craziness.
hmmm
WOW. That sounds like BJ gave a backhanded slap to Silva, who is also on the PFP list and fails to finish fights!!!
Actually, he was probably taking a dig at GSP.
I find it interesting that BJ mentions finishing fights when discussing lb for lb rankings.
What do all the GSP fanboys think about that? You all love to argue that point.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
BJ's as smart as his fans?
Neither of them know what P4P is.
AND NEW UFC LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD FRANKIE 'THE ANSWER' EDGAR
See here comes the problem
I think BJ should get the rematch right away because his fight was on par with shogub vs machida and jaconson vs griffen. A belt should not be given away on a razor close decision. Now the problem with him not gettting an emediate rematch is that I think Kenflo could beat edgar and decisevly…I dont think Edgar is that good.
Not even close
Edgar won.
Machida did not win.
by Lester The Pimp on Apr 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You really want to know?
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
both lost.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Shogun was flat out robbed... statistically he out struck Machida 2-1 BUT
I’m not getting in to that argument again so…. at least the Penn fight was tougher to judge; I had Edgar winning before they announced the decision. Will say that BJ looked off; wasn’t his usual self and it showed. I’d assume if they rematch Penn is a -400 favorite at least.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Apr 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here OD I had Edgar winning the fight but was sure the judges were guna give the figh 2 Penn.
Close fight! Bj didn’t look like himself at all.
I had them both winning and was shocked at both outcomes
Machida-Shogun worked well for me as I’m a Lyoto fan but BJ going the distance made me look like a moron and Edgar winning the fight made it even worse.
AND NEW UFC LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD FRANKIE 'THE ANSWER' EDGAR
Fedor Rules! Frankie proved he deserves a chance to defend the title and display the improvement by defeatimg Gray Maynard.
BJ needs to get in line again, because the lightweight division has many contenders.
no bully BJ worked everyone one else in the Div so he gets the rematch.......................
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Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
I agreed with everything BJ said
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
I think kflo shud fight Edgar
Gomi vs. Penn
Maynard vs. Tyson griffin
then the winners of those fights face off for a title shot.
lol gomi gets worked by kenny and BJ works kenny
why would gomi fight BJ? doesnt make sense at all!
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
If Penn fought gomi the same way he fought Edgar he wud of got ko'd!
by d*locc on Apr 14, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SONNEN SILVA NEXT FIGHT FOR ANDERSON
Dana just revealed this on Rome is Burning
Tim shouldn't you be in church
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
PS. thx for the info
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Haha Np
Im beginning to think I should change my name
Fedor...definitely not pound for pound best in the world.
I keep hearing this crap about Fedor. He’s a great fighter, but to say that he’s the best is a little ridiculous. Now, if he fought tougher competition, like Lesner, Carwin, Couture (at HW) or Velasquez, then maybe I would consider him the best. I’ve seen him fight decent fighters, also seen him in some real trouble in a fight. In my opinion, the man’s a little sloppy in his technique.
1. GSP
2. Anderson
3. BJ
4. Fedor
1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Nah
He hasn’t fought the best in his weight class. The best was probably Cro Cop, Nogueira, Sylvia, and Arlovski. I wouldn’t say that any of these guys are the best-good for their time, but not the best. I’d say that Fedor is scared.
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Either a troll...
or a noob.
“he best was probably Cro Cop, Nogueira, Sylvia, and Arlovski. I wouldn’t say that any of these guys are the best-good for their time, but not the best. I’d say that Fedor is scared.”
This is so laughable I can’t believe it was typed.
Who has fought better competition …in their primes…then Fedor has…and gone undefeated against them? Thought so.
wow I think you're a noob, actually
or at least just not very bright. Who has Fedor fought that is more impressive to you? Rogers? Or maybe some lame, weak Japanese fighter? What do you think, StrakerDave tardo? What a noob. :]
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 14, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You totally dodged the question...
Who has fought better competition,in their primes,then Fedor has…and gone undefeated against them?
“Who has Fedor fought that is more impressive to you?”
Well, Fedor has fought and beaten 6 former UFC champs, 1 Strikeforce champs, 1 olympic wrestler, a 4 time K1 World GP champ, 5 other K1 fighters, 4 NCAA Div 1 wrestlers, at least 3 BJJ black belts.
Unmatched….EVER
Meanwhile the so-called new wave of UFC HW’s really haven’t done nearly as much…combined.
Lesnar: a split with a beatable Mir, Herring (by your own words: loser) and old, rind rusted Randy.
Mir: His only significant wins as of late are against Kongo (who lost to the loser Herring), and a staph infected, fatigued Nog.
Carwin: GG is a solid but not earth-shattering win. Mir (over-rated , see above).
Cain: Nice win over a healthy Nog but huge drop off after that…Kongo (see above). Good potential
JDS: Some very nice wins but the guys aren’t in their primes anymore ( Crocop, Yvel), Werdum was good win as was GG (but not earth shattering).
Meanwhile Fedor, has faced more top 5 ranked guys in the last 2 years than anybody else (it’s a fact whether you agree with the rankings or not) He also had a fight against a #2 ranked Barnett that got canceled. Fedor ain’t hiding and is facing better comp then anybody in the last 2 years.
EPIC fail AWESOME-O…lick…my…balls (Awesome- O reference)
Really...
I have seen Fedor fight higher ranked HW’s than Anderson has fought MWs. Since some new HW’s have emerged, it is ON THEM to prove they are up to Fedor’s status…not the other way around. I haven’t seen anyone else fight all of Fedor’s opponents (6 former UFC champs, a Strikeforce champ, a 4 time K1 champ, and Olypmic wrestler, 3 NCAA division 1 wrestlers, and 3 BJJ black belts) and win ALL of them.
Fedor…27 wins in a row against the toughest competition in the history of MMA. Sorry dude. Fedor is unfuckwittable when it comes to P4P rankings.
Nah, Fedor is kind of a pussy
He’s been put into serious danger by opponents that I would never consider to be top 10. He fought in Pride-lacking the best fighters in the world-and honestly I think he was just fighting there, because he was hiding from the real competition in the UFC. Until he fights in the UFC, he’s just a scared little boy, who fights mediocre fighters. I could care less about his fruity record of wins over decent, but not the best in the sport.
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 14, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay...you are trolling.
When Fedor fought in Pride the UFC had kids playing MMA in the HW division. He proved it by beating 6 UFC HW champs…..SIX!!!!
And weather you consider them to be top 10 opponents or not, he has fought and beaten every great HW of the last few years while they were in THIER PRIMES.
The new UFC beefsteaks look impressive but they are the ones who are unproven…not Fedor.
Anyway, bye troll…maybe you should try to read up on MMA beyond the last 16 months.
He fought in Pride-lacking the best fighters in the world-and honestly I think he was just fighting there, because he was hiding from the real competition in the UFC
You couldn’t be more wrong, Pride had the best talent at the time especially at HW. Big Nog and Cro Cop were both top 3 HWs when Fedor faced and beat them decisively, in fact he was the underdog for the first fight with the champion Nog. You clearly never watched Pride and are just basing your opinions on a legend through hearsay. Just because Dana calls Fedor overrated and his record padded doesn’t make it true. Granted the best HWs in the world (other than Fedor) are in the UFC today and he needs to fight them to maintain his p4p top ranking in my opinion but questioning his past achievements and legacy is just plain ignorant..
AND NEW UFC LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD FRANKIE 'THE ANSWER' EDGAR
my list P4P
1. BJ Penn
2. Matt Hughes
3. Fedor
4. Brock
5. Hendo
6.Ace
7.Sonnen
8.Tito
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
hehe nice one, but replace Fedor with Royce Gracie, then the top 3 are ok
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
LMFAO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Your list is crazy...come on over to the sane side
1) Fedor
2) Andy
3) GSP
4) Machida
5) BJ
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i was jk im not sure of Machida though there
let me think on it
Open up the Shit Gates and where the Hell was Marv?
Dude, your list is kinda..Crazy
Hughes? Brock? Tito? Sonnen? ahhh!!
by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 14, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Title shot
The ufc has made a few errors in the past with title shots and rematches. Brock got his far too soon, people are now asking for a bj rematch which is fair enough. However despite chuck being ko’d by rampage he over most champs deserved an immediate rematch IMO after his run of wins and ko’s. I know the losses are different in context, however I feel there are inconsistancies with this.
by the real mo on Apr 14, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fedor can suck it :]
“I need more money!” is the attitude of Fedor. He’s basically too scared to blemish his great record over mostly <top competitors. Nothing bothers me more than fighters that do it for the money above everything else. Look at the guy’s record. Join the UFC, you ugly, greedy Russian.
Since he entered Pride, he beat:
Semmy Schilt (loser), Heath Herring (loser), Nogueira, Valavicius (um, who?), Fujita (who gases out easily), Goodridge (haha), Nagata, Coleman (come on now), Randleman (another bs fight), Hunt (put Fedor in serious danger), Lindland (Fedor grabbed the ropes like a jackass cheater), Hong-Man Choi (give me a break), Tim Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers.
“Semmy Schilt (loser), Heath Herring (loser), Nogueira, Valavicius (um, who?), Fujita (who gases out easily), Goodridge (haha), Nagata, Coleman (come on now), Randleman (another bs fight), Hunt (put Fedor in serious danger), Lindland (Fedor grabbed the ropes like a jackass cheater), Hong-Man Choi (give me a break), Tim Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers.”
LMFAO
Semmy Schilt (4 time K1 champ), Heath Herring (beating him earned Brock a title shot), Nogueira (twice, you skipped over him IAAO), Coleman (roided up former UFC champ), Randleman (roided up former UFC champ), Hunt (put Fedor in serious danger, yet Fedor still won), Lindland (olympic wrestler), Hong-Man Choi (who Brock wanted to fight), Tim Sylvia(former UFC champ), Arlovski (former UFC champ, and Rogers(undefeated contender). You also forgot Crocop, the greatest MMA fight of all time, Babalu (Strikeforce champ)
I love how you glossed over Nog (no smart ass remark) and forgot Crocop.
Again, who is better? Please make a to-be-failed attempt at this argument.
For ANYONE
that doesnt have Fedor top of the P4P list or atleast number 2 is a FUCKING JOke and their Blogs are really full of shit…
Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO
haha
UFC JUDGES, DO NOT CARE, ABOUT BJ PENN. Hahaha.
Guys, as a BJ fan, BJ looked like crap, whatever the issue was, he wasn’t agressive at all, Edgar was, the judges argued OCTOGON CONTROL as the determining factor. Looking at it that way, Edgar was the more agressive fighter.
HOWEVER. Striking wise…….BJ won the first 3 rounds. You could give the last two to Edgar, especially the 5th, but he did nothing with the take downs, so to me, they are useless. If Machida and Shogun rematch right away, so does Penn and Edgar. Sooner then later hopefully. I think the fact BJ’s face showed damage didn’t help.
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