Gilbert Melendez: It's jiu-jitsu vs. ground and pound on April 17
by Jesse Holland on Apr 14, 2010 9:15 AM EDT
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"I think it's nuts that the biggest star in Japan is coming over here to fight me. I'm prepared for every scenario and I'm going to prove I'm a true mixed martial artist. I think this is what’s going to separate me from the rest, the fact that I can go to the ground with Aoki and I can ground-and-pound him. Yeah, his jiu-jitsu poses threats, but I think my ground-and-pound does as well."
Undisputed Strikeforce Lightweight Champion Gilbert Melendez sets his sights on Japanese grappling phenom Shinya Aoki at this Saturday's "Nashville" event on CBS. Aoki is not the first DREAM competitor to try his luck stateside but is certainly hoping to make a better impression than the last two (Manhoef, Zaromskis). What happens when you pit the fury of "El Nino" against the submissions of "The Tobikan Judan?" We'll find out soon enough -- early predictions?
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Aoki
by excruciating arm lock.
Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
thats what im "pullin" for i hope he's a "lock"
ARM lock that is! Ha ha ha ha ha.
Sorry.
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not a good sign when you find yourself that entertaining. :)
That being said, Gilbert is gonna stand with him, his boxing is mediocre but it’s still light-years ahead of any stand-up skills Aoki possesses.
you know what is a good sign?
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i find him entertaining
So that’s a pretty good sign.. :P
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
by PSYQO78 on Apr 14, 2010 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha same here
The sign thing made me laugh first thing in the morning at work, so keep it up
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
If Aoki can get JZ to the ground, he can get Melendez down. This is going to be an interesting fight.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
loves it
So high risk, and refreshing.
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn that's nice.
With double wrist control too.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 14, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
thats probably the most impressive part...double wrist control....Is that JZ Cal ?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Apr 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
^^jz cavalcante
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Apr 14, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, looks like it.
That move looks dangerous the more I see it. He could have got Pellogrino’d lol. If JZ would’ve slammed him forward with his weight at the right time it would’ve been lights out for Aoki.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
he had his wrists though and couldve pulled himself closer to jz's body...without double wrist control it coulda happened though
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Apr 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I see what you’re saying.
Curious about the line on this one. I think it’s gotta be close to even. I wanna see Aoki pull it off, but I think Melendez will grind him out.
by HappyLittleTreez on Apr 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your prob right HLTz
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Apr 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are you seeing this John? My site has Aoki at +150 and Gilbert -300 already.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
All over that aoki - mo parlay.
Wonder if the undercard will have lines.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Praying for Aoki to lose
I think he is over-rated and I hope Gilbert can stay out of a submission and expose him
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?"
-BJ Penn
"I dont know how GSP puts his jeans on with all those people hugging his nuts"... -Dan Hardy
looking at his resume, what would make you think he is overrated?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Didn't you know he got beat up by a welterweight recently?
And that he lost to a guy once who he also destroyed twice?
I mean that’s the epitome of overrated.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
also do you really have to pray for an overrated fighter to lose?
Shouldn’t they just lose from being overrated?
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No shame in having quality losses to Mach and Jansen
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
..Hansen
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Melendez's biggest win was....
kawajiri 4 yrs ago to get ranked. Since then the highest ranked fighter he’s beaten is Josh who is probly top 15. I would say Ishida is top 20.
Aoki has beaten 2 top 5 and 1 top 10 LW in the last year alone in Hansen, Alvarez and Hirota.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 14, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Cole you didnt think I was serious right?
Prolly not, but sometimes written sarcasm is misconstrued, so just wanna make sure.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Not at all bro
I thought u were giving Irish a little sarcastic nug.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Melendez, TKO
Good enough wrestling/BJJ to not get taken down, pulled in to guard or submitted. Good enough standup to make Aoki pay everytime he gets close. Melendez can say what he wants in pre-fight hype but the fact is, he will do anything possible to NOT go to the ground.
Prediction: Rocks him on the feet and finishes a dazed & confused Aoki with GnP.
by Zlatan, My Hero on Apr 14, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions
i dunno man
Aoki has pretty good wrestling and judo. I could see him tieing him up and submitting him on his feet also.
Fair enough...
But i dont think he’s wrestling and judo is good enough to be able to hold Melendez down long enough to effiecienty go for subs. Of course, with an amazing BJJ/grappler like Aoki there’s always a chance of a sub in a scramble. But i dont see him getting on top of Melendez anytime during the fight and i dont see him catching Melendez from the bottom IF and only IF Melendez plays it safe , if/when he somehow lands in Aokis guard. (meaning, dont even go for the GnP, just working his way up/out).
Btw “tieing him up and submitting him on his feet also”. Now thats a BOLD statement lol Doesnt happen THAT often does it? Any other fighter and I would’ve called you crazy, buy you never know with that dude :)
by Zlatan, My Hero on Apr 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not really,
if they clinch, aoki has more than enough times just jumped on the guy. Either they fall to the ground or aoki just figure fours himself on top then tries for things. One of his cleanest arm breaks was a judo throw off of a kimura lock while in a body clinch, bust the arm at the elbow. I wonder if Sasahara told him to injure Gilbert?
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 14, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think you read the last part proper enough!
I wrote any OTHER fighter… Cause seriously, how often does standing subs accure generally in MMA? I think its funny that a guy predicts “standing sub” for a fight and is dead serious and you ACTUALLY have to consider it because its a STRONG possibility that it might happen. it was a sign of respect from my side regarding his exciting BJJ. I mean, how many OTHER fighters except Aoki do you go like… yeah guys, my prediction: He submits him on the feet! no “lol” or anything.
But i still go with Melendez TKO. Its a WHOLE different game when a guy with GOOD BJJ/Wrestling has as a gameplan to NOT grapple.
by Zlatan, My Hero on Apr 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for Aoki
Personally I always prefer watching an exciting BJJ practitioner than yet another boring wrestler perfectly implementing a lay-and-pray game plan…
Aoki by triangle.
Possibly flying.
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
by Johnny WF on Apr 14, 2010 9:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Flying anything would be cool
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
^^^THIS^^^
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
^^^THAT WAY ^^^
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
^^^WAY UP THERE^^^
John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
by Synyster_08 on Apr 14, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
^^^ RAISE THE ROOF ^^^
Ps: ABM fanpost tomorrow at 10pm ET
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by daniel worby on Apr 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aoki by sub.
This quote proves to me that Aoki will win this by sub. Gilbert is an idiot if he’s willing to risk going to the ground w/ Aoki. GP vs. BJJ? Why would you even risk it, when Aoki’s BJJ is far superior to your GP. It would be smart for Gilbert to keep it standing!
don’t take what fighters say literally. plan A is most likely to punish him on the feet while running from any clinch
agreed, fighters revealing their gameplans prefight has to be taken with a grain of salt
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
For me...
i really hope Gilbert tears a new one in Aoki. For one, i cant stand Aoki, but the main reason i wnat Gil to win is becasue Aoki is seeing this as the best Japan has to offer vs the best the USA has to offer; and that, is way off for him to assume that. I know he has to say that cuz of the strikeforce/ dream deal, but if he wins, then will we be boasting that he beat the best USA lightweigt and that is not the case. I like Gilbert, but he is not the best, he is the number 4 lightweight for me behind Penn, Edgar and Florian as far as USA.
i really wouldnt put Gilbert in there as representing the USA as the “best lightweight” against Japans best. So please gilbert tear a new onto Aoki and send his bitch ass back to Japan…
aaaoooiiiiikkkkiiii (in the screaming lady voice)
If fancy pants wins he takes the no1 lw spot untill bjpenn smashes egdar in round 2, short lived but kudos to him if he can pull this off without his fancypants
I think..
Aoki is going to get smashed by all these bigger lightweights in the States. The dude looks way to fragile..
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
R.I.P. Dime.
Aoki via flying armbar
and the arm snaps before it even hits the ground
I hope not man... I like Melendez... He can do that to random dudes in Japan though
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
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