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Down with the quickness: Frank Edgar knew he could beat the 'best ever'

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Quoteworthy:

"It's unbelievable. I've been at it a long time ... it feels good. Every fight go into, I feel that I can win. That's just the best way to do it ... don't doubt yourself.... [BJ Penn] is the best lightweight ever. Hands down. I was just focused and I knew that I could beat him.... BJ's really hard to take down, so you've got to have good stand up. I think that the few takedowns that I did get won me those rounds. I know BJ's very fast, but I think I was just a bit quicker today."

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. UFC Lightweight Champion Frank Edgar basically did just that last night at UFC 112: "Invincible," defying the odds to outpoint 155-pound deity, BJ Penn, on all three judges scorecards. The Toms River, N.J., native set a fast pace early and didn't slow down one bit through five rounds. He used good movement to make the "Prodigy" miss more often than not and then land a few blows before disengaging. He was "in and out" pretty much the entire fight, picking his spots for takedowns (and takedown attempts) carefully. In fact, Edgar feels that those two takedowns could have been difference makers in what was otherwise a very close contest. Was the "quick" gameplan that Edgar executed picture-perfect or should he have done more to deserve a unanimous nod over a lightweight legend?

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If BJ had the ability to take Edgar down, he would have won the fight.

You can’t rely only on boxing and takedown defense only to win fights.. As for Jiu-Jitsu, what good does it bring if you don’t (can’t) take your opponent down?.

" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"

-MMA expert kevjack115

by Yan117 on Apr 11, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

BJ was just too relaxed out there.

Frankie is really turning into a GSP of sorts in terms of how quickly he transitions between striking and wrestling. Very technical stuff he was pulling out there. He played the game to a tee. Though i still don’t think he won the fight, his level really just keeps jumping up by leagues. After this fight, i would definitely take him over Maynard for sure.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 11, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deceptive

I don’t think Edgar’s that good…he lost to an out-of-shape bj penn….he would have lost in devastating fashion if Penn had trained

Just Do It
-Nike

by ja434650 on Apr 11, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I find it funny people are so unwilling to admit that a 100% Penn could got beaten..

Listen, I had it 48-47 for Edgar personally, but I wouldn’t of been shocked had Penn won. 50-45 is not bullshit, 50-45 seems like a big difference, Edgar he could of won each of those rounds by a fraction, but the key word being that he still WON those rounds.

Edgar’s speed was to much for Penn, and his cardio is the same it has been for his last 2-3 title matches.. Stop making excuses and realize it was Penn’s inability to adapt and keep up with the speed that cost him the match.. Nothing more.

by RayRayJr on Apr 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Conan : You are known as a striker. Is that correct? Tell me what that means.
Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.

by DAFTMANIA on Apr 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree too

dan hardy took a beating but he won me over as a fan.

by Phenomenal Angel on Apr 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what the fock are you talking about? Edgar’s speed my ass.

BJ popped him in the face the whole time while Edgar couldn’t hit him. BJ’s jab killed him in the first two rounds and Edgar moved around like he had something up his ass, ineffective movement deluxe, he couldn’t hit BJ and BJ hit him.

first two rounds he dominated Edgar and than he got the third too and the fight was over.

Shogun however did win 49/46ish 50-45ish.. The rules are whenever Las Vegas/UFC ppl wants to change champ, it happens. BJ Penn has lost to GSP two times and they had nothing to gain from letting him move up and fight other guys like Kos and Fitch.

Go hard, today. Can't worry 'bout the past cause that was yesterday.

by RoBerto. on Apr 11, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

then he got the third* not than.

learn to know what your seeing, cause fools like you make it possible for them to get away with what they’re doing without complaints.

have FBI on those motherfockers.

Go hard, today. Can't worry 'bout the past cause that was yesterday.

by RoBerto. on Apr 11, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol..

I’m not even gonna try and have a conversation with you.

Just keep your tinfoil hat firmly seated on top of your empty noggin and sit under your kitchen table until the UFO’s housed at Area 51 break out and enslave us all. I mean, they already did 9/11!!!!!

by RayRayJr on Apr 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the US hit themselves, they'll do whatever for money and control.

Go hard, today. Can't worry 'bout the past cause that was yesterday.

by RoBerto. on Apr 11, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow.

just wow.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Apr 11, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lololololololololololol

I dont know were you are coming from bro but its not a good place.

by HEELHOOK on Apr 12, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

RRJ thats hilarious,

Roberto is definitely not all there, can you say conspiracy theory lol!!!

by HEELHOOK on Apr 12, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

NAh

I dont think Edgar did enough to beat the champion point blank.. BJ was landing the better shots and aside from the takedown I thought BJ did enough to keep his belt… In order to beat the Champion more had to be done… Honestly i got the fight 3-2 with the final round barely going to Edgar. This reminds me of the Forest Griffin/ Rampage Jackson fight.

People are just surprised that Edgar hung in there that is what I think gives the illusion that he won

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by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

People are just surprised that Edgar hung in there that is what I think gives the illusion that he won

I think what also gives the illusion that he won is… THAT HE ACTUALLY WON

Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.

by freenow82 on Apr 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

def not

the belt should never change hands in a fight like that…see forest vs rampage

Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO

by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-2

bj 3 edgar 2

Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO

by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here,

had it 3-2 BJ and i was being generous with rd 4. This is definitely gonna throw off the whole division and my hopes of BJ going up to 170 and smashing up most of the top 10. I still think he trucks Fitch.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true

But bj could have done more also if he wanted to keep the belt, I had 3 rds to 2 in favor of edgar and the rds bj won I thought was by a hair.
All I gotta say is look at bjs face after fight

dan hardy took a beating but he won me over as a fan.

by Phenomenal Angel on Apr 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NO POSSIBLE WAY RAYRAYJR

I saw Penn dominating like he always does on the feet for the 1st 2 rounds of that fight. Then I saw Penn get tired. Edgar’s speed was not the factor, that’s bullshit. Penn’s conditioning was not there, apparently he took the fight lightly and it was damn obvious….watch it again.

Just Do It
-Nike

by ja434650 on Apr 11, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

MAYBE BJ took this fight too lightly

Edgar never tired, awesome movement, BJ didn’t have a good game plan or didn’t stick to it.
Should have went for takedowns over and over, if Edgar was great but if there is a rematch BJ would win undoubtedly.

by Syncro on Apr 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha

dude you’re a fucking moron, BJ got outclassed last night, get his nuts out of your mouth

by TimTebow on Apr 11, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the first time i get really pissed off

At the judges. I mean, BJ landed great shots at edgar through out round 1, 2 and 3. There’s no doubt in my mind that he won that fight. Round 4 and 5 he gassed… So I guess Frankie could have won those rounds. Plus, BJ stopped several takedowns from frankie which should score points if you consider the reasons why Machida scored points against Shogun. When i heard 50-45 I was positive that BJ won that fight. Because there’s no way on earth that Frankie could have won all rounds.

by peseg on Apr 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me it was the opposite

When I heard 50:45 I knew Edgar won the fight, there was no way BJ took all 5

Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.

by freenow82 on Apr 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

How can you say that Frankie won round 1? That’s retarded. For real.

by peseg on Apr 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, are u dana white sitting there behind your screen or what?

block this site from zuffa related ppl.

BJ outclassed and clearly won rounds 1 and 2. Edgar didn’t do anything and he looked like a nervous retard jumping around 5 metres away from BJ and then came in and received leather to his face.

Go hard, today. Can't worry 'bout the past cause that was yesterday.

by RoBerto. on Apr 11, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha..

rob ur crazy and uneducated about mma, look at urself and laugh with us plz..

For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26

by guyverbob on Apr 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Edgar...he always puts on a show

and steps up to the comp no matter who hes fighting.With that being said…Greys gonna bully him 1 more time…but this time..4 UFC gold.

by The Legacy on Apr 12, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

50-45?

I gave Edgar only 2 rounds… and just barely. This a a fight, not a boxing match. It was a disappointing night all the way around…. Renzo outboxed by Hughes? Bad decision makes Edgar the champ? Anderson Silva disrespects a fellow Brazilian, the fans and the sport.

by Saevus Antistes on Apr 11, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Frankie beat BJ...

fair and square…case closed!

by ducknow on Apr 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

edgar only had 2 rds

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by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankieeeee!

nioce work, wonder who his first title defence will be ,this makes the lw division more interesting depending on whether bj gets an immediate rematch or has to fight someone else first which would be nice,Bj is in a danger of losing the #1 spot to aoikiiiiiii

by sexyama on Apr 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they should give Kenny the shot at Frankie and BJ fight Gray before another title shot that would give a good shot at mixing things around for a little bit and possibly keep the division flowing with good fights

by JDub84 on Apr 12, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the flag, only 7 stars.

Jesus, that pic is old. And why the hell you felt the need to share is beyond me.

by DJ(MMA) on Apr 11, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha i won sum change off frankie

i think he won i dont know why people saying they dont think he did. if the fight had to go 5 more rounds i think frankie would still cum out strong like he did all 5rounds Bj would not cum out. but i do think eight out of ten times bj would win the fight i jus didnt wanna bet on him lastnight.

YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!

by BigDickChainey on Apr 11, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Edgar won the fight hands down

BJ seemed distracted and never got anything going. He lacked urgency even in the fifth round. Did he even try hard for any takedowns? I wouldn’t call Edgar’s fight electrifying, but he did enough to beat the best, so that says a lot. However, I doubt he could hold off Penn in a rematch.

by Tuff.Gong on Apr 11, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Penn was dead fucking tired

Look at how easy it was for Penn to dominate the boxing in the 1st round….it’s obvious he got tired….simple as that

Just Do It
-Nike

by ja434650 on Apr 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Last time BJ

BJ is my favorite fighter, maybe was. Not sure if I still want him as my fav. The reason being is BJ always dissapoints every so often. He shows up looking soft and uninspired. He does not have the heart of a champion. This is what seperates him form the likes of a GSP. GSP will get the most out of every ounce of talent in his body. He will push himself and challenge himself ever single day to be the best he can be. That same heart and desire that made jordan great, magic and bird great. Tiger woods great and etc. Bj just does not have it. Thats why this is the last time I stick up for BJ and say well he has the most pure talent in the game the most gifts in the game. BJ we thought u turned that page but last night proved u wont ever have it. Edgar did win a close decision in my eyes, not a 50-45 decision but regardless he still pulled out a victory. So fist pumps to u Edgar, good job.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

" I do think that we will see how real champions defend their title tomorrow morning, neither will ever be in any danger, and both will finish their opponent within 3 rounds!"

-MMA expert kevjack115

by Yan117 on Apr 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

+2

dan hardy took a beating but he won me over as a fan.

by Phenomenal Angel on Apr 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

-3

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im a huge penn fan too...

Great post, I agree that Penn doesn’t have the heart of a champion. I still think he’s a great fighter but he will never defend a title more than 3 or 4 times before the motivation has left him.

Just Do It
-Nike

by ja434650 on Apr 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with you 100% on what you said about Bj not taking it seriously but bj did lokk bad but he won the fight

by nekruz on Apr 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spider

The only thing that I was looking foward to yesterday during your fight, was GSP coming into the octagon and saying Anderson I was not impwessed with your perfowmance and challenging u to a fight. Spider I know your a counter puncher but sometimes just go in there and destroy, take no mercy. Go out there and punish your opponent. If u think about spiders best performaces in the octagon they were all against agressive strikers. Franklin, Leben, Irvin, nate the not so great, Griffin. Anderson is a counter striker who does not like to initiate striking. Every time a fighter who doesnt initiate the striking anderson just stands there and waits and mocks his opponent. Thats why I knew this fight would turn out the same way the Thales Leites fight ended up, same way Cote fight ended up. Cote is a good striker but knew silva wanted to counter strike therefore stuck to a gamplan of not attacking to much and it led to a boring fight. Silva please go out there and so your gifts to the world and just destroy people.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

My last gripe

Hughes u lost it, retire please!! U were losing to a old man last night until he started to gas that last round. And if u dont retire please get back on the juice because u looked small yesterday.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually think

Hughes could have a decent stand up game if he wasn’t afraid to throw combinations and keep moving forward. He threw some hard punches last night to finish Renzo.

Just Do It
-Nike

by ja434650 on Apr 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

What?

How do you figure he was losing going into that last round? Renzo did nothing and could barely even stand coming into the last round. I wish they wouldn’t of stood and traded the whole time, but Hughes clearly got the better of Renzo in the exchanges. Just because he is not as dominant as he once was, he still has some good fights left.

by Tuff.Gong on Apr 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes looked in good shape imo

And to say Hughes was on the juice is a joke. I cant believe you are a fellow lions fan. Im sick to my stomach now.

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tuff

OK maybe he wasnt losing the fight, But Hughes is not a stand up fighter. Please stop trying to be one. Renzo is an old man, u should have beat him. I did have my beer goggles on last night. So I will have to sit down again and watch the fights, but last night it seemed like hughes has lost it. Just call it like a gut feeling by using the eye test. Hope that makes some sense.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

mspenc24 "Renzo is an old man, u should have beat him"

Mspenc24 im glad your nolonger a Penn fan because statements like this make you look like a tool. He did beat him he beat him so bad Renzo couldnt walk! WOW have another Zima.

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't you love it how people are no longer fans after 1 fight.

A fight which I thought he clearly won. We don’t need you. See ya.

by BNF on Apr 11, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ PENN FAN and BNF It hasnt been 1 fight

BJ does this over and over. It hasnt been 1 fight and im not a fan. He does this all the time and i kept making excuses for him just like all of u STILL do. And i didnt say i would no longer be a fan , i said he wont be my favorite fighter dipshits.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes/ gracie

First off BJPennFAn, SHOULD should have been in bold. Should have beat him is an expression. I know he beat him. And I just re-watched the fight and I think u could have given first round to gracie but hughes won 2 and obviously round 3. Maybe if Renzo ran a rock under water he would have beat hughes.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does what all the time?

Win. Frankie got a gift from the judges.

by BNF on Apr 11, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the first post

explains what he does or what he doesnt do may be the better way to say it.

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

mspenc24 is what they you would call a fair weather fan.

when times are good he is with you. But if anything goes wrong they are the first one to jump ship and go to the hot team. So he will be a big GSP fan now prob cause i guess he cant jump to silva lol.

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already up in mania.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Apr 11, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can hear Ken Flo now.......

“I WANT FRANKIE’S BELT!” You heard it here first!

by ducknow on Apr 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

REALLY

I dont think BJ got beat.. The jab and left hook were there all night. honestly after re watching the fight I know Edgar didnt do enough to take the belt. Penn should def get the rematch period.

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by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

congratulations to frankie edgar. no excuses penn lost........

and i’m a b.j. penn fan. again congratulations. i just wish i had the +650 moneyline on ya. lol.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

edgar

won 2 rds thats it!!!

Wayne Gretsky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Muhammed Ali, FEDOR EMELIANKO

by The real ZACK on Apr 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

so their is a conspiracy against b.j. penn?

if anybody would have it in for them it would be anderson silva. why don’t they dock him a point for all his mocking and screaming and in the last round just jogging around. i think dana white and the fertitta’s are getting sick of his antics. the solution put him against jon jones and watch him get the KTFO’D.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like

Anyones takes his belt, and BJ takes it back from them.

Gray, Ken-Flo Diego.

Any of those guys take this belt away from Frankie.

He didn’t win last night and it’s going to show when he has to defend.

Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!

by ShaiZ on Apr 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

B.J. Definitely looked flat.

With that said Franky did not do enough to take the title.

by Fedor numero uno on Apr 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

BJ didn't even have a sixpack!

I’m a huge Edgar fan, but I don’t know how he won? I watched tape on BJ yesterday and in his two previous fights he looked in much better shape, against Edgar he had a small belly. I feel bad for whats next for both fighters (Edgar will get dominated and BJ will retire going down in flames of ridicule)

by joesilvasux on Apr 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

BJ got robbed

how about to be a champ you gotta beat the champ,from what i saw Bj was chaisng frangkie for 5rounds,was throwing beautiful jabs and even by stats he was outpunching frankie,now how the hell could frankie win ?frankie did a great job,but that wasnt enough,what kills me the most is that after the fight,everybody was acting like frankie won the fight,and bj didnt even raise his hand,he was acting like he lost,i just have no words…..BJ won 4rounds,frankie won the 5th,i couldnt give the 4round to frankie it was close round,and close rounds go to the campions,its just how it is.
that why they say you gotta beat the champion,and not run and hit

by nekruz on Apr 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

one of the judges gave frankie 5rounds,its ridiculous!!!!!!

by nekruz on Apr 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else see this?

Well first as soon as Bj Penn walked out he had bags under his eyes and he looked tired and sick as shit or something another thing nor he or his corner men were wearing his RVCA shirts is Dana white still banning all RVCA?

by moegonzalez on Apr 11, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Frankie Won Because

1. he was the aggressor
2. His shots were more in control
3. BJ gassed in the third
4. the only big takedown of the night came from Edgar
5. He made BJ Penn completely ineffective

Between the third and 4th round BJ Penn was in his corner huffing and puffing and had a look in his eyes of “I got nothing left here”.

I told you guys 2 weeks ago this would happen and i was called a “troll”. Stop making excuses and start getting used to Edgar being our champion for quite some time.

by NJMMAFan on Apr 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

1. frankie wastn the aggressor bj was chasing him all 5rounds
2.round 1,2,3 bj contacted more you can see the compybox stats
3.bj didnt gass but he was kind of weird even when you look at his enterens
4.that cant as a takedown cause bj got back to his stands immediately
5,neigher bj nor frankie were effective,one was running the other was chasing
boring fight,i am a bj fan ,i am just telling how i saw it

by nekruz on Apr 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

And as a BJ fan

I would expect you to find excuses. The fact is your guy wasn’t chasing Edgar. The plan all along was to get BJ moving which would force him to gas.
I told you all 2 weeks ago that BJ’s conditioning was bad and you didn’t listen. Well now your boy gassed and you are making excuses

by NJMMAFan on Apr 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

nj you came on here and acted out like an ass

that is why you were called a troll

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I Was Right

And just think…if I took your bet you would be gone just like PB. I would chill if I were you.

by NJMMAFan on Apr 11, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i never made a bet with you and i wouldnt of bet to leave the site. I like the site so why would i risk leaving?

I said from the get go i liked Frankie you came on here looking for a fight so try to show some class now maybe.

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fight really kind of sucked..

The fight was very lack luster. Boring. Seemed like Frankie had more movement, but BJ landed more shots. There is no way in hell Frankie won that fight unanimously. I had BJ winning a split decision myself. This was not the typical BJ Penn we saw. I dunno if it was injury, the timezone, or scaled back training, but 9 times out of 10 BJ beats Edgar. I saw BJ’s knee was wrapped, so not sure if that had anything to do with him not shooting in on Edgar. If Matt Veach could throw Edgar around BJ could of done so as well. Something just wasn’t right..

BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that.
R.I.P. Dime.

by xxBAxx816 on Apr 11, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think BJ will reclaim the belt he was out boxed and was not dictating the fight were Edgar was.

 I don’t know if BJ took him lightly or if Edgars gameplan was that much better than BJ’s, only way Edgar wins again is outscoring BJ and I can’t see that happening twice. Two of the first three rounds could of went either way but rounds 4 and five BJ slowed down and Edgar kept the pressure going and I think it was a good call. The only isuue I had in this fight was it was one dimensional and this is why BJ lost.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Apr 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least pb man'd up on her bet =D

Loser leaves mania 4ever =D I thot the fight was realy close. I had 3-2 Edgar but cud have gone either way. I know tkkpal is happiest 1 on mania 2day =D

by d*locc on Apr 11, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm a fan of every fighter and of coarse I cheer for certain fighters over others and always will

 It’s fans like you BJPenn that are true to there fauvorite fighters regardless of the outcome that I like debating with and respect. Fans that change are will not come out and defend their fighters are not fans in myh opinion. I still wear Silver and Black Raider colours with pride even though they are brutal right now and I’ll always cheer for Wandy over any fighter and believe he has a chance but those who fall off BJ’s wagon are like many of the BS fans that pick a fighter that they believe can’t be beat to join debates with and make themselves feel like they are backing a winner and that makes them special. I’m not a big BJ fan but I’m a huge fan of watching him fight and he was beat by a much better gameplan thatn anything. If they fight again I would take BJ in a heart beat and a fight like this will make BJ even better as he proved he can be beat at the stand up and hopefully BJ brings his full game next time and I believe he will. This loss is nothing to be ashamed of Edgar surprised many and I think BJ was not prepared for Edgars speed and striking ability. One thing is for sure to his endurance is still lacking.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Apr 11, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you Puck i just get mad when i hear people (fans) jump ship on teams or their fav fighters

Unless of course your fav fighter is Anderson Silva then i could see how you may be alitlle upset with your boy.

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silva pissed me off.

im sorry that was just horrible. It will take alot of knock outs to wash that one away

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And after he wins a couple of fights

He will have all of the BJ fans LIKE U thinking oh hes finally taking fighting serious. He is in shape now and no one can take an in shape BJ. Which is TRUE, no one IMO can take a in shape BJ at 55. Problem is BJ is not always in top shape. PERIOD, get over the fact the your butt buddy gases every other fight. Shit id gas too if i trained and lived in Hawaii. Fair weather fan im not, I still like BJ. I just can state the FACTS and not let my (fan in me) skew the truth of the matter. Another fighter that I like happens to be the SAME way, Rampage. I think a in shape Rampage is a BEAST. Problem with him is hes not always in shape. Just cause i can sit here and tell u my favorite fighters flaws, does not mean I am a fiar weather fan. ANd dammit puck head u beat me to the post

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

poor decision

I’m not a fan of the this style edgar came in with…the whole machida…..silva….. chase me around the ring. Meet in the middle of the ring and get it on.

Honestly, BJ did nothing decisive in the fight to impress the judges, however, I handedly gave BJ the first 3 rounds off points, but Edgar won the final 2 hands down. 3-2 Penn.

I don’t see how you can have the title exchange hands in a fight like that. Makes you wonder…….really. Make BJ loose to keep him in the 155. I think if they fight 9 more timed, BJ wins them all.

Kinda glad BJ lost. Maybe we’ll see a BJ / Florian rematch on the Boston card……if there is one!

by tallimeca on Apr 11, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Lions

Puck i am a Lions fan still, and we r worse than the raiders. So if i still root for the lions than i am NOT a fair weather fan

by mspenc24 on Apr 11, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

the fight was fixed

no bj gave that one away u people dont realize it was not on us soil,so he can get away with it,like what r d odds again 7 is to 1 so bj put like 1million $ on edgar do the math.there is no amount of fighting bj will do here in us to get that much money.enough to sit his ass down for along time

by jaggyboy on Apr 11, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

haha no

I honestly think that BJ just didn’t take the fight as seriously as he should have. Something tells me that he is already filthy rich. He’s too immature to hold the title for very long. Great fighter, but also little baby when it comes to having excuses for himself.

by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 11, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's stupid

Since he clearly won. Why would he bet 1 million on the opponent and then beat him? :) Robbery! Put the judges in jail.

by peseg on Apr 12, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bye bye BJ...GSP!!!

I’m sick of people giving so much credit to BJ. Come on, who has he really fought in the lightweight division-Florian? Stevenson? Sherk? Sanchez? Wow, big whoop! They are good, but only Sanchez and Florian have impressed me lately. They are both still weeny babies anyway. The sad part is that these guys are supposed to be the best lightweights in the world. That division needs to step it up a little. BJ might be the best (even though he lost yesterday) lightweight in the world, but that division is lacking right now. Florian’s style is wimpy and he’s beating like everyone, except BJ. The welterweight division is pretty stacked, which is why I truly believe that GSP is the best pound for pound fighter. He doesn’t slack off and make excuses. He trains hard, has a smart game plan, and is a true martial artist-hard working and a lot of respect. Plus, he keeps getting better every time I see him.

by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 11, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what I said

I’m talking about BJ in general. He almost always has an excuse for himself. “Oh, GSP used Vaseline to make himself more slippery” “Ya, I beat GSP the first time we fought-just look at his face. It was a bad decision.” Whatever, he needs to take it more seriously. I do not think the fight was fixed. He just lost. Not saying I don’t like BJ, I just think he’s gotten too much credit.

by i_am_awesome_o on Apr 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

BJ's True Colors

Finally somebody at 155 exposing BJ for what he really is, an overrated fighter with mediocre conditioning. To even suggest that he could hold his own at 170 after this fight is laughable. Frankie proved that ANY fighter (no matter how big) with good cardio can beat him. Lets hear what “Pretty Boy” has to say.

by oskarbravo on Apr 12, 2010 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

your right BJ should never even fight again he got lucky with all those past wins

and the UFC should never put this guy in the hall of fame either. I cant believe he ever won a belt. opps i ment to say belts. oh and belts in either weight class that is. Cause he had won belts in 2 different weight classes a few times . Wow that lucky SOB i cant believe he has gotten lucky all these years. Its about time we get a good mma fan such as oskarbravo to point all this out. I say Bravo to you oskarbravo you have finally showned me the light BJ is a fraud and has gotten lucky all these years. thank you sir

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Apr 12, 2010 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to watch the fight twice,

it was such a close fight that I dont think they shouldve taken the belt from BJ. I like Edgar alot but thoguht it was not a clear enough win to upset the Champion.

by HEELHOOK on Apr 12, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree it was very close

But Edgar CLEARLY did a better job of mixing it up and I think that swayed the judges in his favor.

By mixing it up, I mean……great movement side to side and in and out, legs kicks ocassionally, attempted shots, a couple of takedowns (although he couldn’t hold him there). BJ really just boxed.

Again, VERY close fight but I think the decision was correct.

Curious about the knee wrap for BJ though. His mobility didn’t seem to be the usual and I suspect there was an injury there. If so, kudos for him to still fight and not back out. I think he also knows the UFC wanted to put on a big show for Abu Dhabi and I think BJ is the type to realize that and try to gut it out. Speculation on my part but if there was an injury, kudos to BJ for fighting anyway and taking one for the Company.

by sudnvictory on Apr 12, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Who knows,

maybe all of BJ’s whining, complaining and ripping of the Commision gets him some bad press with the judges. Maybe they just want a reason to take it away from him, its like a ref in hockey……piss him off enough and he will not do you any favors and or give you the benefit of the doubt.

by HEELHOOK on Apr 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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