Renzo Gracie and Georges St. Pierre train together (Pic)
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 9, 2010 9:14 AM EST
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UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre recently visited Manhattan to sharpen his jiu-jitsu skills with Renzo Gracie for his upcoming title defense against British contender Dan Hardy at UFC 111 on March 27.
Renzo, meanwhile, has been training to return to the fight business at UFC 112 that takes place in Abu Dhabi against veteran Matt Hughes.
“Look, I’d heard about Renzo’s guillotine, but I’d never felt it. It’s amazing” commented St. Pierre after one-round practice with the Gracie icon.
To check the pictures from training session in which Gunnar Nelson, David Branch and coach Firas Zahabi also took part in click here.
Is jiu-jitsu the pathway for both fighters to win their respective challenges?
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lol he can train with george all he wants there is only one George
Hughes is still going to kick some gracie ass again
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
True, but GSP is the perfect training partner for a Hughes fight
Hughes and GSP have similar GNP and TD styles. If Gracie is used to having GSP on top of him, fighting Hughes will seem like a sabbatical. There’s nothing Hughes can throw at him that GSP can’t prepare him for.
St. Pierre has trained lots on jiu-jitsu and I won’t be surprised if he finish a fight by submission.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Cruz - no love for John Danaher
He’s way more important than Renzo. For those who don’t know him – find out. Hailed by many insiders as the best BJJ instructor in the world and if you read his material, his technical breakdowns seem league above a lot of other genius grapplers by a big margin.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't doubt it...
… and add: St. Pierre also comes to Brazil to shappen his ground game. Thanks for the hints.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
hey Ed
any news on that potential Paulo Thiago interview?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
2nd that
I asked a lot of questions
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Heyyyyyyyyy McArthur and Bigger Zino
Paulo Thiago arrived in Brasilia yesterday and I will make that interview for sure. I was talking over it. Wouldn’t leave it off. Thanks for asking.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
If you get the the interview...
Could you ask him questions about the less known constrictor team and if he feels the need to move to a higher profile gym for better training partners. i am also very curious about his and his teachers BJJ lineage.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
NNR
Constrictor Team joins a group of talented fighters that train hard constantly but don’t have many chances to show their skills. Rany Yahia is one of its prospects and they’re well served in jiu-jitsu with leader Athaide Jr. Paulo Thiago knows he has to get experience in other gyms and for the latest bout he trained at X-Gym with Anderson Silva, Rafael Feijao and others. He even thinks on leaving BOPE to exclusive dedicate to MMA if he has to make a choice of it. I’ll take some take to select questions still today.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Yea, i thought Rany was from there....
I like finding out about these small teams with potentially big prospects. Do you know if it’s only Paulo with managment relations with Wallid or is it the whole gym- Because if they have big talent for sure Ismail can bring them out of obscurity into bigger promotions.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think Wallid is the man there, NNR. Mr Ismail has helped some guys out giving them shot at Jungle Fight. But you know, you can be talented but get the success is another talk.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
RNC rnd 1
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Good call
We have yet to see Hardy on the ground. And training with these guys should prove invaluable. Maybe, as an homage to Renzo, he’ll guillotine Hardy.
GSP could spend the rest of the time before his fight training at Hammer House
and still whoop hardy. not saying that hardy has “0” chance, cause he can throw bricks, but GSP has infinitely more ways to win that the british outlaw does.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
LOL as well.
With Kalib Starnes as his master strategist, Zach Lyght as his wrestling coach, Jake Shields as his stand up coach, and Roy Nelson as his dietitian.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
That one had me rolling VM.
Nice touch with Zack Light’s douchery included. Man you guys are gonna get me busted here at work.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
If i was Hardy i'd fake with the hands and then do a flying knee, it's worth it, i hope he does that.
it's not what you do in life that matters, it's about who you are.
That Could Work But If He Misses
Then Big Take Down and GnP
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 9, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
If I was Hardys significant other...
I would take out life insurance and get his suit fitted for the wake…
I dont see GSP pounding or grinding out a win like usual. He might have learned in his last few fights that even winning a 5 rounder can WEAR on you and put you back a month or so.
A saying out way…
He has to “make hay while the sun is shining” that means the longer he sits back the more opportunities he loses…
I think his first fight at MW should be vs MAIA or Akiyama…
I think Maia or Akiyama should come to him
those guys are small MW with no chance in hell of beating Silva, they should move down to provide us with some fresh meat at WW.
ya know its weird...
Everyone whines that GSP doesn’t finish (well uneducated fans or Penn fans), but I for one, am more and more excited everytime he fights. Just this simple thread has me even more amped for the, yet again, NEW GSP. Awesome.
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by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Daniel, were you excited for 25 minutes during GSP's fight at UFC 100?
I even know a GSP fan or two (one’s my brother so I can befriend him) and even they were “somewhat bored” with GSP’s newfound strategy of grinding out wins on the ground.
I know I miss the EXCITING GSP that was steamrolling everyone in his path beginning with his fight against Mayhem Miller
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
exciting? Yes
but if he takes the same approach against Alves, Fitch etc as he did vs Miller, he’d lose
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
VM
while i do miss the GSP that i remember from the jay herion, mayhem miller, hughes 1, hughes 2, frank trigg and karo parysian fights, i think part of what makes watching him so exciting for me is i have trouble with wrestlers. my jits game is good, my standup is good, but my wrestling is weak. and a great wrestler can nullify a good jits guy these days. so i know how bad it sucks being stuck under a 180lb wrestler who knows how to make me feel like he weighs 300lbs grinding elbows into my face and making me eat short, powerful knuckle sandwiches. so i totally understand the agony that alves, serra, penn, etc went through with GSP grinding them into dust. and to me, thats a thing of beauty. he knows how to break the wills of fighters. Before UFC 94, can you imagine Penn just not wanting to fight anymore?
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can see where your coming from, but I'm talking EXCITING!
I grind it out 5 round decision with the same guy on his back for 24 minutes still surviving is not exciting to me and most. Lay n Pray fighters are the most hated on most message boards. Not saying GSP lay n prays, but he does now utilize his wrestling even more than Matt Hughes did in his hay day.
Yes, I do appreciate all aspects of MMA and actually like the ground game waaaay more than most hardcore fans. However, when the fighters on the ground don’t know what they are doing, it sucks.
IMO, GSP has kind of become the Brock Lesnar of the WW divsion minus the finishing capabilities. He uses his size, strength, and superior wrestling to takedown his opponent and neutralize their opponents BJJ. I have found every Brock fight to be exciting, but not GSP as of late. ALSO, please keep in mind that an hate GSP and am biased, but do agree that he is Top 5 lb for lb fighter. #1 NO. Top 5 yes.
And Andrew, when training you shouldn’t appreciate someone that can simply overpower you. With the correct training, technique will overcome strength provided the stronger guy isn’t on the same skill level!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
Just curious if you two thought about
GSP’s groin injury in the Alves Fight.
I don’t know for sure, but I suspect that GSP would have finished Alves if not for the injury.
Anyway GSP is always exciting – he finished serra with knees right? Im not sure GSP deserves all this lay n pray attention just yet.
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Believe me, I am rooting for GSP and want him to smash Hardy in the first round
Mainly rooting for him because I am making all my single bets for this event into two fight parlays attaching GSP to add a little more value.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
pulled my groin once
definitley had an effect, only thing that i’ve bene through that hurt worse than that was an inflamed SI joint in my back. i literllay couldnt get out of bed, tie my shoes, or even walk when my back was messed up. pulled grion was 2nd to that. but i dont know if it was the reason gsp didnt finish the fight. he had an arm triangle locked in from mount, and didnt finish. so did it have an effect? yes. would gsp have finished that fight without the injury? prob not, but only cause the pitbull is such a tough sob, not because gsp lacks finishing ability. imho, anyway.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
GSP probably pulled his groin because his cup is 8 sizes to big and he got no support down there!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
ziiiiing!
nice. but in his defense, he needs that oversized cup to fit all the people swinging from his nuts (myself included).
Off to class for the day. Thanks for the warm welcome to mania worby and violent. catch ya later.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
VM I agreed with all you said above!
And I doubt GSP finishes Alves. Not like he pulled his groin in the first round. Wasn’t it half way threw the 4th? I hope we get to see the old GSP bc I am tired of boring 5 rounders!!! Or maybe not so boring, but def predictable!
nice comparision between lesnar and gsp
i actually had been thinking that myself lately, that gsp is the lesnar of the WW’s. and its nice you dont let your hate of GSP cloud your judgement. and im definintly not gonna disagree that a matchup between strikers like rumble johnson and the pitbull would be more exciting that a matchup between sherk (the old one, not this new guy who thinks he is a boxer) and maynard. i like a display of technical, profecient striking as much ast he next guy.
And about people overpowering me, i dont necessiarlly appreciate the fact that they are bigger and stronger than me (i fight at 135, but everyone i train with is at least 170. by far the smallest dude at my gym), i can just appreciate how badly being underneath a wrestler you cant shake off sucks. but ive gotten decent at locking up a guillotein (sp) off a shot and baiting people into triangles. im not proud of it, but i hate practicing my wrestling game (which is why it sucks) so i tend to find ways to work off my back instead of hitting switches or learning proper wrestling counters.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It's good to practice with bigger guys.
You probably can toy with guys your size now. That’s what GSP has always done, practice wrestling with bigger guys. I know one his long time wrestling parther weighs half a ton (so it appeared).
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Couldn't disagree with you more VM
“In your opinion GSP has become the Brock Lesnar of the WW division minus the finishing capabilities”.
That sounds like a very ridiculous statement when you added that last part, minus the finishing capablitities.
Since Brocks’ first fight in June of 07 he’s had 5 fights, one loss, one decision.
Since June of 07 GSP has had 6 fights winning all of them, 3 by decision.
Not much to hang your hat on when you talk about exciting. GSP is fighting more and I’d rather see a champion fight and win by decision then sit out on the sidelines-I mean how exciting is it with the updates on Brocks health!!
GSP can win fights in a variety of ways. He can knock you out on the stand up with his fist, he can high kick you(see Hughes/GSP II), he can submit you with in a variety of ways, rnc, armbar, kimura.
I give Brock credit for being an outstanding wrestler who uses his tools well. But Brocks tools are FAAAAR more limited when compared to GSP. Brock can win a fight using his wrestling, pounding the crap out of you. You will not see Brock throw a high kick to knock anyone out. I doubt Brock will throw any kicks higher than his opponents knees.
Brock is a great wrestler and has wrestlers habits, meaning he’s naturally not comfortable off his back but that’s ok b/c he’ll rarely if ever be there. Brock uses his size, strength and wrestling and is good at it, however I think when you talk about Brock’s excitment, you more are referring to the lead up to his fights. Brock brings alot of attention and hype this I’ll agree, but as far as IN THE OCTAGON, Brock is NOT that EXCITING.
Brock wins by high kick-can’t hear Goldberg saying that
Brock wins by armbar-Can’t hear Rogan saying that
GSP>exciting than Brock IN the Cage. Outside the cage I don’t care to argue that debate.
Also as far as the GSP Brock comparison you say that GSP uses his size, strength and wrestling.
GSP is not the biggest WW, not the strongest, however perhaps the best wrestler.
From LW-LHW there are only 15-20lbs that separate each division. Even IF GSP was bigger than his opponents, it wouldn’t even compare to the huge size difference between Brock and his opponents. LHW-Hw can be a 60lb difference and that’s not counting before the weight cut.
Saying GSP uses his size advantage and strentgh advantage and isn’t as exciting as Brock sounds like you are hanging from Lesnars nuts. I apologize if I come off crass but Brock is a huge, big imposing guy and a forced to deal with in the cage, but as far as finishing capabilities the only arguement is that Brock can use his one thing he’s good at and finish more than GSP can use the 5 ways he could end a fight.
At least you covered yourself VM and said as of late.
D241, nice post. No, I'm not a Brock Hugger, just a open GSP Hater!
One quick note about the 3 of the last 6 GSP fights not being decisions. One did end between rounds which takes away “the excitement”.
People always HATED on Hughes and his boring wrestling style for years while he reigned the WW division for years. Now these same Hughes Haters are the same ones that worship GSP. Don’t feel like looking up numbers and doing math, but I would guess that Hughes has a higher finishing rate than GSP!!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
GSP has a higher finishing rate than Machida
and a lot of other guys that are called “exciting”…it’s just anti-wrestler bias. If a fighter puts on a boxing clinic for 3-5 rounds but isn’t able to KO his opponent, nobody calls it boring or stalling. But when a wrestler puts on a 25 minute display of total and complete domination w/o getting a KO, he gets criticized.
I know Shonuff, I am actually a fan of a lot of fighters that came from a wrestling base
Regarding Machida – he has been finishing as of late where as GSP hasn’t
But a couple years ago, Machida wasn’t finishing fights and GSP was.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Mar 11, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
yes VM i was excited
I’m not just saying that either. I found the fight extremely exciting. Its so technical. I really love seeing his perfections displayed. And how he can seemingly embarrass guys the 30-50% of ppl think are going to beat him pre fight. Ill take that 25 mins over 90% of the other 25 min championship fights.
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by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the excitement brought on by Hendo's crushing KO and Lesnar's dominance and post fight antics COMPLETELY overshadowed GSP
GSP was just a footnote to UFC 100. In fact, when the UFC countered StrikeForce programming with UFC 100, they left the GSP fight off the telecast!!!!! Why would they do that to one of their most popular fighters unless the fight was considered boring to the mass public. Peeps woulda been switching the channel to Strikeforce during that fight and Dana knew it.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
100% accurate
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
and i couldn't disagree more
The Hendo fight was absolutely boring as it gets til ‘the punch’. It was the perfect 10 mins to go drain some booze from the system. I’m not saying neither fight (Brock/Hendo) weren’t exciting cause they were. But you have to compare a 25 min fight to a 25 min fight. Gsp’s was as exciting as any 25er I see. And of course they didn’t choose it because of time restraints and what occurred on that card.
That was the biggest card in ufc history so its a poor comparison in my opinion. I think A LOT of fights would look less entertaining when comparing them to ‘the punch’ and ANY Brock fight.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My prediction
GSP by tko (ground and pound) in the 1st. Hardy has just never faced anyone like GSP. (Im rooting for Hardy tho as i am english but dnt see how he can win except for a lucky punch to the back of the ear).
GSP should fight someone like Marquardt first if he moves up to middleweight see how he copes with the size difference.
please dont use the term "lucky punch"
thats like saying “lucky head kick” or “lucky omaplata”. it just doesnt exist. if someone throws an overhand right, and it lands, that was the intent of the punch the entire time so it wasnt luck. even with eyes closed, if you track your opponents movement, anticipate where he is going, close your eyes and swing for the fences, your still intending to clean his clock. and if you do, its not luck. is every punch that doesnt land “unlucky”?
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know what your saying a punch is not lucky if its thrown with intent . o.k so wat i meant was i.m.o Hardys only chance of winning is connecting with a full power hook to the chin/temple/behind the ear, and i think he will be lucky if gets a chance to do this as i think GSP will dominate the whole fight however long it lasts.
i know, and i hope i didnt come off as a dick there
but “lucky punch” is just one of those terms i wish could be erased from the MMA dictionary. but your opinion is a very valid one, hardy does have the power to end this fight, and i agree 100% that he will be lucky if GSP makes the mistake that allows him to land.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 9, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Lucky Punch does exist
Saying I aimed it and it hit, therefore it’s not lucky isn’t the whole truth. If I swing a golf club and aim it at the hole from 300 yards and it goes in, could I say it wasn’t lucky? After all, I aimed for it and it hit what I aimed at, right? No, it’s lucky because if I aimed for that hole a thousand times IF I’M LUCKY, it’ll go in once or twice.
In the same way if Matt Serra fought GSP a thousand times, IF HE’S LUCKY he’d hit that behind the ear shot that took away GSP’s equilibrium and win the fight maybe a couple times. The other 998 times, he’d get taken apart.
So lucky punch? Yes.
there is a reason GSP chose to NOT stand with Serra in GSP vs Serra II… Think about it… Also he was quoted in saying he didnt wanna “play around with Serra’s JIu JItsu on the ground”… What GSP was able to do very successfully and has been doing ever since that fight is wear everyone down with superior wrestling and conditioning not necessarily better skills.. He was able to drain Serra’s gas tank and thats how he won that fight… There is NO luck when you train like Serra did and land those same punches he landed on GSP with before the fight.. Its all preparation… I think you just dont understand the game if you bring “luck” into it…
Thank you, David. That lucky punch stuff gets old.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Mar 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
It is "lucky" because so much of it is out of your control.
No matter how skilled you are, you have no control over how the opponent will move his head as you’re throwing the punch. There are calculated KO punches where the guy carefully times where his opponent’s head is going and hits it (Silva/Griffin), and there are KOs where the guy is just swingin’ wild for the fences and one of them connects, and there are KO punches where the guy gets lucky and his opponent drops his guard at just the right moment, creating an opportunity for him to use his skill and power. What I call a really “lucky punch” is when a guy is getting outclassed and then ends the fight with one punch that saves his ass because his opponent screws up and gives him an opening. Saying a punch is lucky doesn’t mean the guy who threw it didn’t need any skill to make it work, it just means that he got an opportunity he maybe shouldn’t have gotten or that his opponent stepped into it or something. But frankly, almost every one-punch KO or knockdown has an element of luck to it. Because even the most skilled and calculating fighter can’t control the physiological effect his punch will have. Chuck Liddell was the luckiest man in MMA. He had a terrible stance, kept his arms at his waist and KOd guys as he was backing up. Technically he was total crap, but nobody saw his goofy-ass left-field punches coming, so they did the trick more often than not.
Needless to say, I completely disagree with you. Especially about the Chuck example.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
luck vs non luck
I see both sides. Yes there tends to be more skill then luck 99% of the time no doubt. But I do feel some punches are ‘luckier’ than others. Eyes open straight down the pipe is more skillful and less ‘lucky’ then a punch eyes closed, head down from your waist. That being said of all the ‘lucky’ punches thrown, the 2 that clipped GSP were both with GSP’s power foot (planting foot), slipping out from underneath him. And that dropped him just slightly low enough that Serras looping punch got GSP behind the ear. If it weren’t for the initial slip we may and I think would’ve seen an entirely different fight result.
So I tend to sort of agree due to the above description I have supplied. Hope it somewhat makes sense.
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by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No such thing as luck if you are a professional and are training to be in a situation where you utilize every tool available to you. The term luck discredits all the hard work and training that the fighter puts in for his career.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Mar 9, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OJ
in which thread were we asking OJTHEJUICEMAN why he got banned? cause I think he’s banned again
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
sorry oj i still disagree mang
I feel from what I supplied as reasonings there is an element of luck. Not saying overwhelmingly no. But I believe there is luck involved in most all aspects of life. Just varies on how much per different situation.
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by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Luck in all stages of life? Yes, I agree. Winning a lotto ticket, finding a shortcut when you are lost, falling and not hurting yourself, etc., etc. Luck in combat sports? No. Too much preparation and repetition.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
man you're narrowminded
No luck in combat sports? Hughes being knocked out from the ride down from a standing guillotine is lucky. Randy slipping and leaving chuck open to ko him was lucky for Chuck. Not saying the punch wasnt intentional cause it totally was, but the slip, like gsp’s were not. Lucky. Its not like my described reasoning above behind my thoughts are outlandish. You’re just not open to ideas that aren’t your own.
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by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Worby, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they are narrow minded. But thanks for the free analysis of my personality!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
OJ doesn't get it, Daniel
He thinks if you say there’s any luck involved that you’re dissing the fighter’s skills.
Think of it this way, OJR, it’s kinda like hunting. You can practice your marksmanship and stealth all you want, but if no dear comes within range of your treestand it doesn’t do you any good. If a deer walks right through your crosshairs, yes it took skill and preparation to capitalize on that moment, but it was luck that brought that moment to you.
I do get it, shonuff. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH YOU!!!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
The way I see it...
(and I HATE the lucky punch scenario)….is that if two guys were to fight 10 times and one of them wins 9 of those 10 but the lone loss comes via a haymaker from left field…..that’s a lucky punch. But if two guys are fairly evenly skilled – of which two guys in a title fight SHOULD be – then the lucky punch scenario is a lot less likely. I’m sure these guys train for it. They watch tapes and see that a guy moves this way or that way then they capitalize on it.
If the guy with the haymaker from left field trains striking with his hands then how is it lucky? I am talking about PROFESSIONALS, not average Joes. Your example is dead on if it is 2 regular guys fighting. 2 pros, though? No such thing as luck.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think we're on the same page
I think it’s lucky if it’s not repeatable. My point was that if the same 2 guys (pros) were to fight numerous times and one guy clearly wins 9 of those 10 times and the other guy can’t land that same punch then there may be some luck involved. But I agree – 2 guys who are well prepared for a fight….luck is much less a factor than good timing and training for that well-placed punch.
right, repeatability is the key
If that punch gets through 1time out of a hundred and it happens to get through in the fight, that’s luck.
Look at the Olympics, man. People train their asses off for 4 years doing the same exact thing and then they get to the big show and the guy who’s won every meet for the last 2 years has a bad day and the guy who’s been in 5th all year has the best time in his career and wins Gold. Was it lucky he was able to make that speed, no. Was it lucky that he made it on the most important night of his life and that the guy who has always been better had a bad night, HELL YES. Luck and skill are not antithetical. They can and do coexist. If you blame a fighter’s whole career on luck, that’s dismissing his skill. But if you credit luck with a split second incident that beats a guy who is better and would beat him 9 times out of 10, that’s just reality.
The pick 'em thread Mc
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Your pick em pool thread.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
its gone...he must be banned...very strange...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
strange indeed
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Ok, the next post was OJR telling you where it was...My bad.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Hardy and Hughes
Are in trouble, Hughes may not realize it yet. Hardy is better on his back than most think though.
I think he meant Hardy and Laurel.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
that does look like Dan Hardy!
and I always wondered what Tank Abbot looked like without his beard! Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. Thanks for the pic, Yan!
I Know GSP had been Training With Renzo
Especially when the rumor was GSP would participate in ADCC this past year
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