Randy Couture: 'Fedor's going to have to step up and be willing to fight top level guys again'
by Jesse Holland on Mar 9, 2010 12:11 AM EST
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"At some point Fedor's going to have to step up and be willing to fight top level guys again. I don't know what's going on with him or why he's not willing to do that and certainly (Fabricio) Werdum is one of those guys he's going to have to face to be considered a top fighter. To be pound-for-pound best fighter in the world he's going to have to start facing tougher opponents. Hopefully we'll see [the Werdum] fight happen."
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture weighs in on the Great Fedor Debate after hearing that "The Last Emperor" was not going to make a planned Strikeforce appearance in April against Fabricio Werdum and may not be able to make the May rain date either. There have been rumblings about a lingering hand injury as well as some sticking points in the Strikeforce/M-1 negotiations but all "Captain America" wants to see is Emelianenko fight top level guys. Fedor's last three wins came at the expense of two former UFC heavyweight champions and a power-punching tire mechanic from Illinois. Couture is apparently unimpressed by those wins. Are you? And what constitutes "top competition" in the heavyweight division?
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I really admire Randy BUT he needs to compare his HW resume to Fedor's HW resume and keep things in perspective.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I WITH YOU OJR, FUCK RANDY!!!
LAST I KHECKED RANDY WAS 18-10..? FELLAS, WE NEED TO STOP NUT HUGGING GUYS BECAUSE THE GET IN THE KAGE AND FIGHT (OR HAVE A KOOL NAME), THATS A GIVEN… FEDOR DID SMASH ROGERS, WHO IS NOT A KAN BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION… ALSO, FEDOR BEAT NOG WHEN NOG HAD MOST OF HIS MARBELS… RANDY ALMOST GOT FINISHED BY NOG, WHO IS SEEMINGLY IN THE TWILIGHT OF HIS KAREER…
Randy should just continue to thank his lucky stars
that he was prevented from facing fedor and sparred the humiliation of getting smashed
if fedor can defeat werdum & overeem than randys comment will have some merit but until then he is facing top competition
werdum is a top 10 HW
overeem with all the steroids in his system I think is a top 10 hw and is dangerous mainly because of the sheer size & strength but lets be clear overeem off the juice is not even a top 20 hw
I disagree.....
IF (and that’s a big IF) Randy got smashed by Fedor it may be the best thing to ever happen to him.
Because suddenly he would have all of Fedor’s blind followers calling Randy a top HW and then say Fedor is “so great” for beating him.
Seems anyone Fedor defeats is suddenly a great fighter and Fedor is even greater for the win.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Fedor would without question brutally bash randy.
Remember guys when randy quit when his eye socket got shattered. I doubt fedor would have. Just sayin.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Where in this quote does Randy claim that HE is a top heavyweight? This is a fan observation just like you or I would make. Only Randy is far more qualified to make it. And he happens to be right about this one. I lost any faith in Fedor’s commitment to fight the best when he passed (yet again) on UFC.
Exactly
He didn’t imply at all that he thinks that he’s better than Fedor, Randy is a respected fighter and analyst and was clearly asked to give his opinion on Fedor. I agreed with everything that he said. Of course Fedor is better than Randy, that doesn’t mean that what he said about Fedor not fighting Werdum was wrong.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Popetastic-So you agree with Randy's quote not long ago that Fedor is the best P4P fighter in the world?
Here’s a list of guys that all said Fedor is the best fighter in the world…
BJ Penn
Shogun Rua
Randy Couture
Frank Mir
Georges St. Pierre
Jake Shields
Bas Rutten
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman
Tim Sylvia
Joe Rogan- UFC Commentator
Stephen Gross- MMA Commentator (PrideFC)
John McCarthy- Legendary UFC referee
Josh Gross- Sports Illustrated writer
A lot of people like to take quotes from fighters when they’re not saying something good about Fedor and say, “See, he said this or that about Fedor and he knows better than us.” Well, all of these guys say that Fedor is the best in the world.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Listen DICEDUMMY!!!!!
No 1 is sayin that he is not the best HW in the world because he clearly is 2nd 2 none but 2 say he is the best P4P fighter n the world is crazy….look who his last win came against Rogers..Rogers would get killed by an average ufc HW & if he beats Werdum that wont prove anything it certainly wont prove that he’s the best P4P….and lets not 4get this is the same Werdum who got KTFO by JDS so does that make JDS the best P4P fighter?
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you want me to listen learn how to read, and post on something I said.
This is about the 3rd time you have responded to one of my posts by talking about something I didn’t say. I DID NOT SAY ANYWHERE IN THAT POST THAT FEDOR IS THE BEST P4P FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. If you don’t like what those fighters and commentators had to say about Fedor being the best, take it up with them, not me. I wasn’t trying to argue about the credibility of Rogers and Werdum, especially not with someone who has shown no willingness to have a logical debate. Every time you post in reply to something I say you make it more than clear that you have piss poor reading comprehension and no interest in doing anything but bashing anything not UFC.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Seriously though titonash
I’m happy to discuss and debate MMA with anyone that shows they have the ability to read and think. All you have done is call me names, and bash everything in MMA that is not UFC-related. If you just love the UFC, more power to you. If you want to bash anything outside of the UFC, at the very least have some sound reasoning and logic behind it. The closest I’ve seen you come to attempting to base your assumptions on reasoning is your use of MMA math, which doesn’t hold much water around here.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
I willing 2 discuss mma with u or any1 else 2 but ur sayin that i call u names u started it by calling me a troll.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And i do have reasoning behind what it is fact that SF’s roster is not very good im not sayin it cant better but right now it sucks just look at their LH div alone all they have right now is gegard and remember he cut ties with m1 global so what happen 2 their LH div if he goes 2 ufc it will b even worst.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So you must not like any other promotions besides the UFC
Because SF probably has the 2nd best roster. They’re putting on 3 title fights next month, and 5 of those 6 fighters are in the top-10 in their division, the exception being King Mo, who many think is a rising star. I just like watching good fights, regardless of promotion or politics, and it’s hard to argue SF doesn’t put on good fights.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Ok they r putting on 3 title fights but after this whens the next time that 1 of their champions is going 2 defend his or her belt bcause SF has a history of champions not defending their titles for a long period of time.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Melendez just won the belt and he's already defending, and Shields just defended last CBS show. Overeem is the outlier, not the norm.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
R u hard of hearing
I am not bashing anything thats not the ufc im just bashing strikfarce if i think they suck thats my opinion im not trying 2 force it on u so get that through ur thick skull.and as far as me not being able 2 have a logical debate when i was trying 2 have 1 u called me a troll.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I called you a troll because all you have been doing is insulting me, saying "Strikefarce", and trying to make it sound as though I said things that I didn't.
Sure, it’s fine for you to think Strikeforce “sucks”(which must mean you think anything not UFC sucks since SF is the 2nd biggest promotion). Why don’t you back up your opinion with some reasons instead of just calling them Strikefarce. Like this….I like Strikeforce because they put on high-quality fights on free TV. I also like it that we get to see Fedor fighting in North America. In April, I get to see 3 title fights involving 6 top-10 ranked fighters. Those are some of the reasons I enjoy watching SF. Now, why don’t you tell me how “Strikefarce” sucks?
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Strikfarce sucks because
For1 their roster is 2 small,for 2 i wont 2 see the best vs the best u cant see that with strikfarce.4 3 yes they do have good fighters such as hendo,gegard,fedor& sheilds but u cant put the same 3 or 4 guys on the same card everytime its not going 2 work. and their champions dont defend their belts i wish they would just strip alister of the title already. they dont no how 2 run an mma org at all.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok buddy
Agree to disagree. I like good MMA fights, and Strikeforce provides me with good MMA fights for free. I don’t understand why you dislike them for having too small a roster, or because we don’t see the best vs the best. There has always been, and will always be arguments about that because there has always been other promotions besides the UFC. Considering the way they’ve built themselves up from being a small regional show, to being on primetime TV on a major network with great fights I would say so far they’ve done a pretty damn good job of running their org. Obviously they’re not going to pop-up and be as big as the UFC overnight, and they probably never will be. They are simply another option for fighters, and another outlet for the fans to watch those fighters. Don’t see what the point of complaining about free MMA is.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Your still not getting
what im sayin im not sayin that SF won’t be good im sayin that right now their not and if they want 2 get better bringing n guys like jose canseco and h.walker is not the way 2 do it. if they want their roster 2 get better i would love 2 see a guy like tony lopez in SF and any other kotc fighters not jose. but the 1thing that i will give them credit 4 is the fact that they will be introduce their fighters 2 more fans with the release of EA SPORTS MMA.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
seriously...
punctuate your fucking sentences. We’re not in second grade. There’s no reason to write like you are. I’d be embarassed if I had those writing skills.
by --utaptout-- on Mar 10, 2010 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair Randy will have been asked about Fedor here and he's not comparing his record to Fedor's
He’s just being truthful, as Fedor needs to keep fighting top fighters to be recognised as the best. Refusing to fight Werdum for whatever reason is not doing his reputation any favours.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Fedor already beat Nog (in his prime). Rogers and AA are tougher than Vera. Brock is the only legit HW bruiser that Randy has on his resume (lately) and he lost!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Truth.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 9, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
NOG in his Prime?
He was a Thales leites back in Pride. Now his skill in all departments is way better.
It’s almost sad that Fedor couldn’t finish him in 3 fights. What a letdown.
Now his skill in all departments is way better
Too bad his chin is letting him down. And for the record, NO ONE finished Nog until Mir. It took three fights with Fedor, 33 additional fights, and a staph infection to give Mir the opportunity to be the first to KO Nog. Now it is all downhill as proven in the Cain fight.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Nog was in his prime in 2004-2006 after he had just boxed with the cuban national team. Ever since he took the headkick from Herring he has not been the same.
it's not what you do in life that matters, it's about who you are.
agreed
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
ha ha ha at natas' joke! good one!
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
TO call NOG
Thales Leites in any time period is ASS ish of you. Stop posting and you need to apologize for wasting my time on reading you retarded post.
by The real ZACK on Mar 9, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
You need a hard lesson in all things Nog.
He would be a shoe in for 2nd best fighter of this decade without question due to his enduring legacy, consistency and top 10 opposition above many other dominant champs except for Fedor.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 9, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
where are the true MMA fans at i see there are alot of newbies to MMA posting especially the guy who called NOG the THALES LEITES OF PRIDE BAN this guy lol
by The real ZACK on Mar 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Did you ever see Nog fight in Pride?
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
lol let him have it boys. its definitely warranted on this one.
Discrediting Nog in his Pride days is absolutely ludacris.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Discrediting Nog in his Pride days is absolutely ludacris.
What does a rapper of yesteryear turned actor have to do with this? Ludicrous comparison, Worby.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 9, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
That is the 1
thing u & I can agree on worby if anything he was like frank mir great at bjj and a good boxer.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not saying that Rogers is tougher than Vera. I am telling you that the sun is hot. Its an undisputed fact. Vera is not a true HW. Rogers definitely is a true HW.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Catch you guys in the AM. Out.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Got to agree with Randy: Come to the UFC, the ultimate proving ground and step into the mix! Pride had some great guys but that was then this is now.
A lot of you readers aren’t understanding Randy’s comments, he’s saying Fedor needs to fight the best now, he’s not talking about the past, hence the word “again”!
by Sofa-King-Toasty on Mar 9, 2010 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sofa King
Actually, you’re not understanding Randy. He didn’t say anything about fighting in the UFC. He is talking about Werdum, like he and the article say. Randy is extremely respectful and is simply saying Fedor has to fight the best available to him, referring to the rumor he may not be on the next 2 SF cards (again like the article says). No word of what you’re saying is in the article.
But thanks for telling all of us illiterates what the article “really says”. Maybe the thread and quote was just a metaphor that you were able to read deeper into, but for the rest of us, we’ll just read what it actually says.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The comment is fight the best right? You got that part right Copernicus, your third grade reading compehension got you that far, congratulations!
The best organization with most of the top fighters in the world IS the UFC! By the way, besides Fedor and maybe Werdum, really, who else does Strikeforce have?
Now, Randy is saying fight the best, AGAIN! Who, and more importantly, where, do you think he means?!
Don’t be so hard on yourself Daniel, I didn’t call you illiterate, but if the shoe fits!
by Sofa-King-Toasty on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i respect couture but...
Sounds like.. dana white whipped out his Colt 45 and pointed it to randy’s head near a microphone and made one of his fighters proclaim someone that he has targeted and covets, will not join that tyranical company, cage too big, pay scale is wack, refs are bad, other than the champions or select few fighters, they usually make too many cards with fluff fights. And randy being old… has he ever been a multiple gold medal winning judo / sambo champion… he is still learning submissions ,barely at age 46. His 19 yr old son has more of a grappling game then him. Rogers is ranked no. 5 or 6 on sherdog. I’m pretty sure he can run through the majority of the heavy weight division. When Cain, probly the best HW in the division as far as cardio/ work ethic / technique / all the substance features you’d want, when he starts tapping people out, I believe in a years time he might be able to if anyone contest fedor. Stop being an occasional UFC fan boy.. Cross the road and become an MMA man. Can’t stress that enough isn’t a UFC site, its an MMA site. But im sure dana has plans to take over and stamp everything with his monstrous brand. Already pulls highlights off youtube. GG
i agree with Kris
Great post buddy.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not I
times change and so do the best fighters, Rogers a top five really are you kidding me from changing tire a a year earlier to top five because he beat glass jaw? He poses some problems ansd has potential yeah but he’s no top 5 or 6.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Agreed.
IMO no one, in any division, has shown the ability to jump that high that quickly.
Aldo?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Aldo fought 4 times in 2009
So while I do see and at least acknowledge your point, I think Aldo being a full time fighter and fighting 5 times in the WEC before he got his shot is slightly different than Brett Rogers, who had a full time at a Sam’s Club pushing tires a few months before haha.
fuck you guys are ufc blinded
Its hilarious. So Rogers having another job makes him non credible. But Carwin who came out of nowhere and barely beat Gonzaga to get his title shot (yes title shot, if Brock didn’t get sick he would’ve already fought him), is warranted? Grow up boys. Start looking at both sides of the story.
Oh and by the way Carwin stil has a job as an engineer that he does. But I guess that’s allowed cause he’s in the UFC right?
Bias at its best boys.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Were you the old intovert worby?
You seem to have the same hardcore stance as intro? UFC blinded really or is it introverted UFC hate on your part? I’m thinking your blinded by your jealous obssession with Dana and Brock. Rogers has great potential as does Carwin but both have only one good fight under their belts with a win and are still to be proven. But really fighters prove themselves everyday and the best fighter Fedor has beat to date still is NOG. And i have to give more credit to NOG for taking on the best in the world than I can give Fedor.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
When did I say not being a full time fighter makes you non credible?
When did I ever say it wasnt “allowed” to have a full time job? If you took the time to read my post before you just wrote your “you are all on the UFC’s dick” you would see that I said NO ONE has made a jump that quickly. Look what happened to Rogers when he did fight? HE LOST! And Aldo won! If you have a full time job, that means less time to train. Therefore, that usually means your skill level isnt as high. Training time USUALLY has a direct correlation to skill level. Calm the fuck down and take the time to read a post before flipping out.
Sonnen?
(I am trying to become the official champion of the one-word reply)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Don't take it personally Wally
If you say anything good about brock, Dana or hell even the UFC Worby will be calling you all kinds of names. His most famous line is nut huggers by the way. I
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
not to mention
That he wants to put m-1 out of business who are promoting their brand and fedor individually throughout the globe, while it seems a fighter is just another slave getting paid whatever in the UFC. Fedor is a partial owner of that company, why would you want a Monotheistic tyrant to try to disembark your post fight efforts of having a company and current business and promotional elements.
There are issues UFC needs to fix but
this sport is trying to go mainstream. You do not see any mainstream sport with 2 leagues. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, ETC. It is tougher for MMA since it is a global sport. As an MMA fan I want to see where Fedor fits into the mix. I want to see where the top 5 UFC fighters fit into the world MMA mix. But only ONE way to find out. Having 2 large MMA promotions does not help anything but make this like boxing. 4 different belts per weight class where all 4 champions claim they are the best but never fight. Let see who is better between Brock or Fedor. Lets see where Overeem fits in. Who cares what promotion just make ONE promotion and put all the best fighters in it so we can see who the best fighters in the world are without speculation…
You make a valid point...
maybe what we need is a fighters union, much like the other sports have for their players. That’ll never happen but one can wish…lol. I also think though, that HW is the only division with this question even posed about who’s the best in the world. BJ, GSP, Andy, and Lyoto/Shogun…who in the world outside the UFC compares to these guys? Don’t tell me Aoki, because BJ will school him on the feet, and it will only go to the ground if BJ puts Shinya on his back. Hendo is the only other one, but he jumped ship, AND Andy already beat him anyway.
Scott not to bash your point but...
There isn’t 2 NBA, NHL, MLB etc, cause they aren’t individual sports. Its very different. They have teams. It makes sense that way. In a one on one combat sport this happens. Boxing has the same issue.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Worby I deffinitely see your point but,
Those sports are succesful because of the Monoply going on. Yes the unions make sure the pay is on par but who knows what will make MMA compete on the same level. I just hate the speculation of who would beat who. Yes I have my opinions on fights and who would win this match or that match but it is still speculation and If I could predict the outcome of every fight I would be very wealthy right now. To hear all this talk about Fedor would smash this guy but loose to this guy gets old. LETS SEE THE FIGHTS. The only way this can legitimately happen is to have all the best fighters in ONE organization. If that means the UFC needs to pay more than they should start paying more. It would just be nice to see all these fights that we ALL would love to see and resort to chattering on blogs about the outcomes…
Feador will not fight in a cage.We allknow where the best fighters are fighting in.He is ran by piss poor wanna be Don kings by russians.Give me a break,he will be demolished by Overeem if strikeforce wants to throw in the towel.It is a matter of time.
oledenny knows nothing. forgive him.
Fedor is scared to fight in the cage? Well my friend there goes any pretending you’ve watched a STRIKEFORCE event, since there all in a cage. Overeem will beat Fedor when SF isready to throw in the towel? Debatable, but I’m sure you’d find 90% of posters would disagree with you, me included. The point being Overeem beating Fedor is FAR from guaranteed.
Oh, and your grammar sucks. THX for coming out though.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
bullshit quote from captain paycheck. he could look alot closer to home and say the same thing about anderson silva, but he won't
couture is irrelevant as a hw. he lost to a washed up nog for christ sakes!!!! he isn’t even fast enough to be a good lhw. he can only pick a few fighters that his killset will give problems for if he wants to win. he is done and he needs to hang it up already.
by Conan the Barbarian on Mar 9, 2010 1:12 AM EST reply actions
Randy's talking about Fedor...
but not referring to himself as it relates to Fedor. We all know that Randy is not the best HW in the world. Hell, he’s not even a HW anymore.
Randy’s right about Fedor though. Fedor may not care to be considered the greatest HW of all time. He’s never said that he wanted to be known as the GOAT. If he cared enough he’d be fighting in the UFC against the best. I know there’s always been the whole contract dispute BS, but sign a friggin 3 or 4 fight contract and then be on your merry way. If he won 3 fights against the top 3 in the UFC, Fedor would prove that he is the best HW in the world, and of all time. Until then, he is merely the GOHT…the greatest of HIS time.
I’m as big a Fedor fan as there has ever been, but his legend as a fighter will be diminished as long as he continues to fight guys like Sylvia, Rogers, AA, Overeem and Werdum while he is still in his prime. As a fan, I’m disappointed that I’ll never see him fight guys like Brock, Cain, Carwin, Mir and JDS.
utapout
Its not that easy. You call it bs contract disputes? Fedor would be hooped. If he was going to prove he was the best like we’d all intend on seeing him do, he would claim the title right? (not saying it’d be easy), but if that’s the goal and he did achieve it, he is not allowed out of the UFC unless he retires. The Champions clause. You defend til you lose, or you retire champ. Not such an easy thing for the fighter to decide. And one only he can make, not us.
And I haven’t even touched on the whole non cross promotion topic. You may say Dana doesn’t have to do that? Agreed. And Fedor doesn’t have to sign if they won’t. Agreed. Now here we are.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You defend til you lose, or you retire champ
I believe that you still owe the remainder of your contract, or one additional fight, if you come out of retirement based upon the champions clause.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
exactly Ulf even worse.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you make a very valid point worby...
its basically a mutual disagreement that they may never come to terms on. I seriously doubt they ever will. Fedor has other priorities besides fighting, and that’s understandable. But like I said before, its disappointing that we may never get to see him fight these new elite guys while he’s still in his prime. Hell, he may not even be in his prime anymore. His stiffest competition in the last few years was AA, and I haven’t been sold on him since way back when Fat Tim KTFO’d him in the second fight. As fans of the sport, I think we can all agree on that.
by --utaptout-- on Mar 10, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
WTF
I’ve got more chance of beating Fedor then Werdum has. There is no way I can see Werdum winning the fight
I agree with u 100%
He got KTFO by JDS & he barely beat bigfoot silva if fedor beats him its not going 2 prove anything.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sigh
Randy is such a douche bag. I’m sorry, but I hate this guy that everybody loves.
I can’t wait till he fights a real LHW and gets his ass handed to him.
Anyway, Fedor has demolished 3 top ten hws (at the time he fought them they were anyway) in his last three fights.
What has couture done? Decision? Beat an old man with a choke?
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by At Least On Paper on Mar 9, 2010 2:24 AM EST reply actions
Wrong
Your the douche. I’ve met Randy and hes a great guy and a great fighter. His record isnt as good as fedor’s because hes fought tougher guys… and hes 45. Hes the only one whos come close to beating brock since mir did. Hes not the best p4p fighter but hes def a force at 205. Fedor is fighting UFC rejects and tire guys… horrible. I would love for you to call Randy a douche to his face. He would turn you into a pretzel.
Close to beating Brock?
He landed one clean punch that didn’t even rock Brock. At what point was he even close to winning that fight? Sounds like someone has a bit of a man-crush on Randy because of meeting him thats blurring your perspective a little bit. Randy’s a great guy and a model citizen but that doesn’t make him a good fighter. Fedor is and always has been a better fighter. Period.
great guy and a model citizen
I don’t get this. He put his fighting career before two marriages, four kids and anything else in his life to be ‘the best’, he beats people up for a living and he is a great guy and a model citizen? We are not building rockets or saving lives, people.
utaptout this is not directed at you personally, but everyone needs to wake up and realize that these are normal guys, or worse, who have a tremendous amount of money at stake by creating this false imagery of being ‘good guys’ and ‘role models’ These guys are fighters and entertainers. DW is going to put any kind of positive spin on any of these guys to bring in more money. Please remember that when listening to the hype. ‘Captain America’ is a knick name, nothing more. He is polite to fans because he understands the game.
Tiger Woods was the most model of model citizens according to his PR firm. Funny how marketing works.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
not supposed to be a line through your name utaptout, edit fail.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
no worries Ulf...I'm not taking it as an attack
When I say a model citizen, I guess I just mean because of his military service, his friendliness to fans, his work ethic and such. I’m probably a little biased just because he is one of the greatest ambassadors the sport has ever seen, along with Rich Franklin, GSP, and Renzo Gracie. These guys aren’t doctors, volunteer workers, fire fighters or policemen, but among professional athletes, I’d say they’re the best citizens.
by --utaptout-- on Mar 10, 2010 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
wow i have never heard anyone call Randy a douche bag before
I guess there is a first time for everything
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Randy speaks the truth!!!
Nowhere in this interview does Randy mention himself fighting Fedor so give the guy a break. As for those comparisons, yes Fedor has the better record, but Randy has never turned down a fight and has constantly fought the best for most part of the decade so give the man his props.
Fedor is 33, and as a man hailed as #1 p4p in the world you’d think he’d want to cement his legacy in the sport or even back up this tag as he reaches the end of his career. Apparantly not! His last five fights include a MW Matt Lindland, Hong Man Choi and fucking Tim Silvia. Hardly world beaters in my opinion. Personally, I dont consider Fedor as number one in the world. He very well could be, but as Randy says, he needs to fight the best and he just seems reluctant to do so!
For the record, Werdum isn’t a ‘top’ guy!
"Big guys, small gloves...somebody's gonna fall..." (Gabriel Gonzaga)
He's right on the money!
It’s not an opinion, it’s simple fact. Fedor hasn’t fought anyone of championship caliber in years. And he struggled real bad against Brett Rogers. That is exactly why he’s nnot running to get into the cage real quick. When you fight one can after another, your skills begin to erode. We all saw that against Rogers. The problem Fedor is going to be facing is that there are 4-5 guys in the ufc who are much bigger and stronger and who have just as good if not better a skill base as he. Why do you think he won’t come fight for the best mma organization in the world? Because once he’s beaten the myth will be exposed and he will lose his market value. M-1 dosen’t want to take that chance because they have no other fighters.
Fedor wants to keep fighting second tier guys in second tier organizations; to make good money with less risk…it’s smart in a business sense but his reputation and credibility have taken a serious hit.
Randy is right on the money. You can’t keep claiming the guy is the best based on what he did 3-4 years ago. And he’s actually looked very beatable in his last 2 fights. Velasqeuz, Mir, Carwin, Lesnar would tear him up in 2 rounds
Calu
Calu Calu Calu read the article before you agree with what Randy has to say lol
JASONFAHQ is a troll
by bigbadbunbun on Mar 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
At some point Fedor’s going to have to step up and be willing to fight top level guys again. I don’t know what’s going on with him or why he’s not willing to do that and certainly (Fabricio) Werdum is one of those guys he’s going to have to face to be considered a top fighter. To be pound-for-pound best fighter in the world he’s going to have to start facing tougher opponents. Hopefully we’ll see [the Werdum] fight happen.
JASONFAHQ is a troll
so far 200 ppl'ish give a crap
See ya later ‘pain’.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not 200 peaple worby
How many comments do you have yourself?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
randy and anderson are extremely over rated,imo.not even imo,they just are.
anderson beats the sandman(who?),and forrest and people start shitting themselves!!! hes a great striker and what happened to forrest was inevitable.hes like chuck in the old days.incredible striker.yeah he beat rich,but i didnt see rich trying to take him down.is rich the natiol boxing muai thai champion?all these guy hes beat have all tried striking w him,and when they didnt anderson made a complete joke out of himself n started punching people in the leg.i agree he beat hendo,but hendo couldve won,he just got caught.im betting 100 dollars on sonnen!! randy almost lost to brandon vera,he did.he beat coleman,lost to big nog,and brock.before that he beat gonzaga n tim.fedor would kill all these guys.anderson n randy, GARBAGE.
"When are people going to realize that G.S.P is half man half amazing!!!"
Peter Merino(myself)...no im not famous but my quote was published on the ufc website
by mmasavvy on Mar 9, 2010 3:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
somehow I don't think anderson is garbage lol
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 9, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
Anderson is far from overrated...
but Randy is I’ll agree to that but Silva haters crack me up.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
To whom it may concern
The reason no takes anderson down is… because he is a very violent bjj black belt. Perhaps you remember what happened to the last guy (a bjj black belt who was supposed to walk home with anderson’s arm) that took anderson down. He ended up in a triangle choke that resulted in some fight ending elbows. The guy has not lost in the UFC. He’s never even had a close fight. His game is a level above anyone else who has ever stepped into a cage, ring, or any other host of a combat sport. People don’t take him down because they can’t. When he loses, then you talk. Until then, you can do what Fedor’s doing; sitting back on his couch and watching the best fighters in the world from his home.
Funny you say that because Fedor has lost 3 less times times than Silva has
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
So...
You’re looking at their overall career, people get better and look at what they’ve both done lately. Plus Fedor doesn’t fight in the top company now. Pride days are over son.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
holy crap i thought the weekend was over!!!
Randy and Anderson garbage???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
"...that fat lady will not touch me." fedor on brock lesnars chances.
"When are people going to realize that G.S.P is half man half amazing!!!"
Peter Merino(myself)...no im not famous but my quote was published on the ufc website
by mmasavvy on Mar 9, 2010 3:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't kid yourself
If anyone is going to say that the talent pool in strikeforce is equal to that of the UFC then they are kidding themselves. Fedor is one of the best in the history of the sport, but that is still left up to debate because of his most recent opponents. Silvia left the UFC because he couldn’t hack it. Rogers had bigger tits than Gina Carrano for his fight. And the last time Arlovski put on an exciting fight, we had our president getting a blowy in the oval office. Fedor will never be able to be truly considered the best until he cleans out the best heavyweight division in the world. BJ, GSP, and Anderson did it for their divisions. That’s why they are considered the best. Sack up Fedor.
Fedor would hand Randy his arse...
Plus Fedor could retire tomorrow & i don’t think anyone would get close to his fight record Randy needs to take his head outa Dana’s arse & take a look around
Yes but...
somebody in the HW division who isn’t 46 would beat Fedor. Don’t be fooled by his record and think he can’t be beat.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Fedor was the hw champ of pride ffs
& this was when the standard of pride hw was much higher than in the ufc. tbh most of the hw in the ufc at the moment are clowns & Brock would get owned by Fedor so who does that leave 3 other people, Mir who can’t even beat Brock, Caine who would lose in a stand up with Roger never mind Fedor, & that just leaves Carwin who will in my opinion by the ufc hw champ before the years out. To be fair to carwin he is probably the only hw in the ufc who’s got a realistic chance against Fedor but that’s just my opinion
Today's UFC HW division..
is more stacked than Pride and it’s your OPINION that Fedor would beat them but I don’t think he could. So agree to disagree but Fedor had his shot at Brock an punked out… business or no business. If he’s the best then he should want to prove it and not dodge people.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Randy should just stfu
Most overrated fighter in history.
What is he complaining about? He fought Mark fucking Coleman in his last fight…
And Rogers would knock Randy the fuck out
If he wants to complain about a can beater he should complain about A Silva.
You're in the minority...
by thinking Silva fights lessor people than Fedor. Silva cleaned out his division… even destroys guys above his weight class. Fedor hasn’t even fought a top 5 guy in his own division these days.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
such a stupid thing to say
“hasn’t fought a top 5 guy in…blah blah”. Cause their in the UFC. It “top 5” to you. Top 10 to others. Top 50 to others. No one knows, its all opinions, and Fedor doesn’t have to fight in the ufc for you or anyone to ‘prove it’. If he hasn’t yet, he isn’t anytime soon. He has “proven” himself to me and many others. He hasn’t to you and many others. So be it.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
itS NOT Fedors fault who his promtion has. And im sure the HW in STrikeforce would make some noise in UFC. Just look at PAul Daley who is on a tear in UFC but meanwhile JAKE SHEILDS beat him. There is parody all over MMA bottom line FEDOR BEAT good fighters and has destroyed everyone he has fought. Randy should be the last to talk about fighting tough comp last i CHECKED COLEMAN AND VERA WERENT EXACTLY IN THE TOP 15
by The real ZACK on Mar 9, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
fedor is one of my favs
But God please let him goto the UFC. That would be sooo huge. It’s like Babe Ruth just playing in the minors most of his career.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Is it?
Or are the fighters in the UFC over rated because of the UFC’s PR machine?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
mythbuster
Ding ding ding. Winner.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not exactly disagreeing, but...
The guys who transitioned from Pride have not exactly dominated.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I think PRIDE format vs UFC format has a lot to do with that. Guys like Wandy and Shogun used aggression to get their opponent to the floor so they could stomp the shit out of them. Plus like I’ve said many times knees to the head of a grounded opponent levels the playing field for strikers vs grapplers. If you shoot for a TD and get stuffed, you should eat knees to the head for not completing the TD. Instead they get a free pass and keep shooting until they get the TD.
Adjusting to new rules isn’t as easy for some fighters who are used to fighting a certain way. Plus for years they train to fight under the PRIDE format utilizing techniques that favor that format. It’s not so cut and dry the way people make it seem.
JASONFAHQ is a troll
by bigbadbunbun on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Actually you're the one...
who’s sounds really stupid. Don’t kid yourself, Fedor DOES have something to prove to everybody that because he’s the only top fighter who’s never had a UFC belt. Beating past their prime UFC champs who are no longer in the UFC for a reason doesn’t count by any means. Opinions do mean alot and if Brock cleans out the UFCs hw division and Fedor cleans up the scraps outside the UFC then Brock will deserve that #1 spot unless Fedor decides to man up and try to beat him. Good luck, he had problems with Rogers! lol
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
NO!NO!NO!
AS LONG AS MICHEAL “THE HYPE MACHINE” BISPING IS STILL FIGHTING RANDY WILL NEVER BE THE MOST OVERRATED.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Useless thread
Randy should keep quiet and concentrate on the twilight of his arguably, less than impressive career.
The question is, is Rogers the real deal? I think he did awesomely well against Fedor and though he was knocked out in impressive fashion, he was very close to taking the cake. Sylvia and Arlovski are proven battlers and went in against Fedor after the best camps either of them had been involved in.
Fedor is fighting the top guys in the world outside the UFC because he doesn’t weant to be owned by Zuffa.
He is the no.1 fighter (and self manager) in the world at HW.
No one owns Fedor except Fedor.
Exactly...
Top guys OUTSIDE the UFC which aren’t top guys. lol Werdum, Rogers and Overreem aren’t ranked as high or have done as well against better competition than Cain, Nog, Lesnar, Mir, JDS.
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Yeah we already know this Randy
But at the same time you have to look at the best fighters he has beat and see how they are doing. Maybe Fedor or should I say M1 did the smart thing and kept his record much safer.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
not fedors job to 'suck it up' for a few ufc fanboys
He’s a grown man. He has his reasons for not coming to ufc. The other fighters wanted him bad enough they could leave too. Whoops, not the champs, that’s against contract with zuffa slaves. And I’m honest, and realistic so I can say safely that:
Fedor/Overeem/Werdum/Rogers
Vs
Mir/Brock/Cain/Carwin
Could go any which way on any given night. None of those fights are guaranteed.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fedor doesn't make the business decisions, he has stated this from back in Pride
He leaves it to M1 to do all the business decisions, I’m sure he has some input on what fight he would like to fight but in the end M1 has the final say. Now I agree Fedor against the guys you mentioned could go anyway but honestly the other three would have little chance and infact JDS KO Werdum. Overeem who’s the last good HW Overeem has beat? Just cause he has the SF belt means nothing and either does doing well in K1. Roger poses a size challenge and is strong as an ox but if he is unable to KO any of those guys he’s gone. It’s a consensus around the world worby that the UFC has 4 of the top five fighters in the world and seven of the top ten. Werdum is a great tactical fighter like Randy but lacks size, strength, speed and KO power.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Who r u kidding?
EVERY MMA FAN wanted to see him fight in the UFC. Nobody is dumb enough to want to see him fight guys like Werdum or Rogers over Carwin, Cain, Nog, Lesnar, Mir and JDS! Take that BS somewhere else. lol
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won... but still avoids the UFC!
Agreed
The assumption is you have to be willing to take it up the ass from the UFC in order to prove yourself. Fedor is a strong personality and a man of respect. He doesn’t need to earn more respect and recognition fighting for less money and lower self asteem. He’s already got the world watching him. Agrred that Fedor/Overeem/Werdum/Rogers are worthy opponents for him and match up strongly against Mir/Brock/Cain/Carwin.
I love it when people bag Rogers record. It mirrors Carwins and he’s had twice as many fights!
Times change buddy and so do opinions
IF you have not noticed more and more opinions are thinking Fedor like NOG is no longer the top two guys for good reason.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Randy must wake up every morning, look to the sky and say “thanks God the fight against Fedor didn’t come to the terms and I’m still here healthy”.
I still hope Fedor will fight for UFC and show the rest of the world who is the best fighter ever. Put Overeem and Werdum together and the Russian will beat them all.
I respect Randy but sometimes he sounds more than he really is. He should take care of promoting his crack with Toney. Good fight for him.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
He would love to fight Fedor Eduardo
No doubt about it and his chance would be about the same as Werdums, honestly I think a Werdum and randy fight would be a great battle. Neither him or Werdum or at the top but they are both smart fighters.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Except Werdum is ranked higher and actually has the ability to finish Fedor. Something Randy doesn't have.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
I don't think Werdum does have the ability to finish anymore than Randy does Dice
Yes he has world class JJ but thats it and we all know Fedor is well trained in defending against JJ. Take away Werdums JJ what does he have?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Werdum has the chance to catch Fedor in a sub. It may be a small chance, but it's possible.
I can’t think of one way that Couture can finish a fight with Fedor. Obviously he’s not subbing him, and I can’t even imagine Randy KO’ing or TKO’ing Fedor.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
honestly I can see neither having much of a chance finishing Fedor only way is winning the rounds
In a three round fight it is more likely than any other way for either of these two guys by taking two rounds. Werdum against Couture I would have a hard time picking winner and doubt Werdum poses any more of a threat dubbing Couture than NOG did. With saying that I believe Randy has a better chance at ouscoring Fedor than Werdum does because there is no way I see Werdum scoring points on his back against Fedor there is a small chance and going against a fighter like Fedor will bring Werdums A game but I just don’t see him having a much of a chance as I wouldn’t see Randy having much of a chance either.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I put Werdum around the same calibure of fighter as Randy basically Dice
I believe that Werdum and Couture would be a great fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yeah, they're similar caliber, but if they both bring their A-game I give the slight edge to Werdum.
Neither of them is beating Fedor, I think we can agree on that.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Agree
I’m hoping Rogers gets the belt from Overeem and we can see a rematch. I think Rogers is a real threat and another fighter I would love to see in in the UFC.
I don’t mean any insult to Werdum or Couture as they are great fighters just not in the elite status as I think we both pointed out don’t have the finishing power against the top dogs.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Randy should get retired to work as a commentator.
Yeah, he would love to fight Fedor but no way would succeed. He doesn’t need to blame Fedor for fighting Arlovski or Rogers. Fedor beat everyone who got on the line.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Fedor beat everyone who got on the line.
The problem is that the line now starts at 10th best and it used to start at #1 contender. I blame M-1.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
NO WAY
Its not Fedors fault who his promotion has and i dont think it matters.. We dont know what Roger would do in UFC. Look at Paul Daley he;’s on a tear in UFC about to get a shot and JAke Shields Defeated him. Personally Rogers at this stage is too big and poweful for Randy so Randy should not be talking. Also Fedors last three fight were against good fighters Tim Sylvia , Arlovski and ROgers all are legit. Fedor Beat Sylvia easier than RANDY DID so what does that say about Randy to even talk. THIS IS ALL A PLOY TO GOAT FEDOR INTO THE UFC. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOUR OLD ASS ASK FOR RANDY!!! Fedor by 1st RD DESTRUCTION>
by The real ZACK on Mar 9, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Sylvia legit? are you on crack?
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 9, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
no he's not on crack
He was legit when Fedor beat him. That’s a HUGE problem with fans. They dismiss a guys wins cause his opponent is no longer relevant. Too bad. That’s like saying rampages win over wandy doesn’t count cause wandy isn’t in his prime anymore. Too bad. He was arguably when they fought.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree on the Sylvia point, but...
Rampage beat up a worn down Axe Murderer, not the killa of Pride. We both know what the “In His Prime” Axe Murderer did to Page.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
no no i agree. kind of a bad example i used.
But you know what I mean. And I don’t take anything away from Rampage for doing what he did. If he lost then there’s a problem. But he did what he was supposed to. I don’t discredit that. I know you don’t either ulf.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are close to ranting on a couple of these posts...
I am just trying to keep you in-line on some. :)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
We dont now if tim was legit back then bcause b4 he fought fedor & nog he was the champ n a weak div so how good is tim really back then the ufc’s HW div wasn’t that good.
by titonash23 on Mar 9, 2010 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If M-1 was not trolling for co-promotion....
Fedor could fight in the UFC. I just want to see the fights, and both sides have said that the co-promotion of Fedor’s fights was the sticking point in the contract talks. Why the hell should M-1 be able to co-promote with the UFC based upon ONE FIGHTER. with a track record for poor PPV numbers. M-1 has never proven that they could ever put on an independent show. Hell, they can’t even keep their #2 fighter, due to deception.
That would be like me asking Jesse Holland for the front page of Mania every morning because I say I am smarter than his other reporters, and the rest of you. (my point is that I have done nothing to prove this statement, don’t get pissy)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Actually
It wasnt that far after he lost his UFC belt so yea at that time he had CREDIBILITY u rookie
a year and a half after isnt that far?..lol alright then im a 'rookie'
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
ok i read the dates wrong LOL i accept my rookie tag for that one
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
NOt really
A year isnt that far Randy took a year off and came back a year is nothing to a pro fighter ROOKIE. EX Maywhether, Jordan (basketball i know), ROy JOnes… the list goes on ROOKIE a year aint shit
yep if Brock goes any longer its over a year since he fought
So doesn’t make him irrelevant. Some guys only fight 1x or 2x every 12-18 mos.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
When did Overeem win the belt in SF again?
Overeem would have problems with Roy Nelson in MMA, If Overeem backs out of his next fight they need to strip him of the belt.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
where was Overeem brought up in any this?
I agree on your point though no clue where it comes from. I’m sticking up for guys who haven’t defended in a year. Happens lots in both leagues. Overeems is ridiculous though.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like Randy is firmly back in the UFCs pocket.
You want me to say what, boss? ok.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It's more than the UFC fans around the world agree
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ufc fans around the world
Plus the thread doesn’t even say half the shit that is posted in these comments. He doesn’t say a word about fighting in ufc or any that. He’s only talking bout the Werdum rumor. And if you guys don’t know what the rumor is I suggest you guys do more research before you make stuff up plz.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take a chill pil worby
Almost every MMA fan in the world wants to see Fedor in the UFC, and almost every MMA fan in the world agrees the best talent is in the UFC HW division, anytime a Fedor post comes up with a chance he might be in the UFC fans around the world get excited.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
wow all this from conans opening comment..
The list of potential opponents for fedor is alot bigger than the few that A.silva has left to beat. Hence why hes fighting in 2 weight classes…..Then you got fedor doing sambo shit against a 155 pounch shinya….different prioritys i guess
Not really, I think. Anderson Silva would like to do some boxing, but the UFC won’t let him while he is under contract.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Jesse an exhibition grappling match isn’t Sambo. Combat Sambo is a complex sport that involves striking and grappling. Instead of posting about things you obviously know little about maybe you should do some research so you can actually provide some input to the discussion.
JASONFAHQ is a troll
by bigbadbunbun on Mar 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
A great man once said....
Sh*t or get off the pot. Do I think Fedor is one of the best fighters now and ever, Yes I do. However, I think that anyone who wants to be considered a great fighter needs to actually fight. Fedor has fought 3 times in more then 2 years. That is just unacceptable. People can bash the UFC and their fighters all they want but if Fedor was in the UFC he would be fighting 3 times a year. Who knows what would have happened if Fedor fought JDS, Cain, or Mir but the fact he would have been fighting is all the fans want.
I don’t know why everyone gets their panties in a bunch for a comment made by Randy. As a fan of the sport I think Randy just wants to see Fedor fighting. This will not happen because M-1 (and the SF HW division) is a joke. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously does not have idea what they are talking about.
On a side note – from a business standpoint it makes sense for M-1 to demand the world for Fedor because he is their only asset and if he loses they lose their only cash cow since they didn’t sign Gegard (who is a top 3 MW and a top 7 LHW)
Verdum
Would get destroyed so Randys wrong about that… it won’t happen but Fedor does need to fight in the UFC to prove his legend. I think he’d finish everyone (including Randy) other than Cain Velasquez and Frank Mir who I see as best in the UFC
VERDUM would get destroyed, but its a step up from hing choi man imo.
i do think verdums BJJ is good enough to be a top hw, and his 1 loss to JR should not dismiss him entirely imo
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Mar 9, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
fighting top competition is
whoever is considered great at that moment.
a few years ago when A.A and sylvia were champions, knocking each other out, they were top competition than, but not when fedor fought them.
Unfortunately for other leagues, the UFC always has the top guys at all levels from great beginners to great vets and p4p best.
Beating Rogers was a good start, but fedor would have to beat Cain, JR. and Brock to be the best HW in the world,
because thats who is good now.
Werdum is a bit below MIR and Carwin and the 3 i mentioned above, but a very good challenge imo
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions
How is Werdum below Carwin? LOL Carwin hasn’t done shit yet except land a flash KO on Gonzaga, a HW gatekeeper.
Why does Fedor need to chase around the fresh prospects, when he’s got PROVEN competition available to fight? Barnett, Overeem, Werdum anybody… all VERY well-rounded, PROVEN fighters. Brock also hasn’t done anything, but I’ll give him his props if he beats Cain, Carwin, JDS, and Nog
Randy can’t say these things about Fedor when he couldn’t handle heavyweights himself so he had to go down to LHW to fence-hug a guy and choke out a grandpa.
Truth is, Arlovski and Rogers would have KTFO Handy with ease. Handy stepped down and he’s telling a guy who’s smaller than him to step up? Doesn’t make much sense IMO.
I don't know about AA
Even Randy has enough KO power to knock that guy out but Rogers would be a tough challenge as it would be for Werdum. Randy and Werdum lack the size, strength and KO power to compete with the big HW fighters as they give up to big of an advantage. They could beat a Sylvia or Big foot but I doubt a Rogers.
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