Randy Couture: James Toney was willing to step up and put his money where his mouth is
by Jesse Holland on Mar 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST
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"Several boxers have stepped up and said that we are no good at striking and they would knock us out, and James Toney is no different. He’s the first one that is willing to step up and put his money where is mouth is though, and I’d love to welcome him into MMA. There is no reason boxers can’t be successful in MMA. However, they need to learn, just as I did as a wrestler, that there are a lot of different techniques to learn. Or else they will be a fish out of water if they ignore those skills."
Five time UFC Champion Randy Couture isn't so quick to dismiss the chances of a professional boxer making a successful transition to mixed martial arts -- even a 41-year-old portly pugilist named James Toney -- who joined the Zuffa roster earlier this week. "The Natural" is looking for interesting fights in the twilight of his career and has talked openly about facing Rich Franklin and Lyoto Machida -- and even "Lights Out." Any Maniacs out there have a preference of who the Hall-of-Famer fights next?
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I ain't counting out Toney ! He has like 90 fights against pro boxers & never been ko'd!
That’s not Guna stop him from getting taken down & getting his arm pulled off tho! But if any1 I dumb enuff 2 stand with Toney, they will get KTFO. He has like 50 ko’s with the big ass boxing gloves. I can’t 2 see him I’m the cage.
by d*locc on Mar 6, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Against Couture, i think he's got slightly more than a puncher's chance. Maybe pucnhers's chance X 2.
Toney as washed up as he is, his defensive style and abilities to punch, slip, deflect in the phonebooth was always great. If couture just clinches/dirty box with him against the fence with his chin he might take a couple of good shots which might be more than enough. Also couture doesn’t really shoot from distance either now that i think about it. He usually just used good head movement to avoid getting tagged on the way in. Toney is actually a real boxer so his accuracy and combos + 4oz gloves…….I’ll definitely drop like 10 or 20 bucks when the lines come out since they’ll obviously be ridiculous. Can’t tell if my couture hate is blinding me here.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 6, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
O Shea
i only want to see Randy in worth while fights, bader just doesn’t cut it!
Rampage, Lil Nog, Franklin, Shogun/Machida loser, etc.
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Mar 6, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
True SCS! Randy duznt have 2 many fight left
No need 2 waste them like the Vera & Coleman fights!
by d*locc on Mar 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
AMEN!
preach it, my brothers! SoCali, I like all the fights you just named. I’m sick of watching the most decorated champ in the sport’s history in irrellevant fights against nobodies like Vera and geriatric warriors like Coleman. (yes, I know Randy is technically older than Mark, but physically, he’s 5-10 years younger and way closer to his prime years than Coleman is.).
old vs new
i think randy vs bader would be a great match up
Franklin would be a sick fight
But I think he’d get handled in wrestling and couture for the decision. But i’d love to see it
by Wingblade on Mar 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Franklin isn’t dumb enough to try to grapple with Randy. He would use his significant striking advantage to keep the fight at a distance.
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again folks, do try to pay attention
it’s not like fighters have a choice whether or not they want to grapple with Randy. He takes that choice away. To my knowledge Chuck Liddell is the only fighter to ever successfully avoid grappling with Randy and that was only because Randy had to watch out for Chuck’s KO power. Rich doesn’t have that kind of power.
i wouldnt mind seeing toney vs couture,
dont know if they would sanction it though
I'd love it
but I wouldn’t put any money down until I saw if Randy could get in on him. Chuck gave Randy the most trouble and I’m sure Toney has better timing than Chuck. Of course it only takes 1 time of Randy getting his hands on Toney and the fight is over, but the same can be said about Toney getting his gloves on Randy.
james toney is a boxer, not an mma boxer, and that is where, and why he will suffer......imho
you can’t take anything away from him though, and if any boxer can do it he can, but the simple fact is that more and more boxers are transitioning to mma, ricky hatton and david haye have already stated there desire to compete in mma, which is now genuinley bigger than boxing, fanpost required…….
"if any boxer can do it he can"
Toney is a world champion boxer, all credit to him BUT….
if any boxer could do it i’d pick one that isn’t old, out of shape, and no room to learn as a mixed martial artist!
Hatton, imo would be my bet if he 100 percent dedicated to MMA! (btw did you see how fat he got? literally BALOONED up)
Toney/JDS would be cool!
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Mar 6, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
side note
toney has been popped MULTIPLE times for juicing!!
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Mar 6, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He is a serious threat to anyone standing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORrBW5IHfyM
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
That was a sick video tkkpal!
I hope we see sum of that in the cage!
by d*locc on Mar 6, 2010 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ya, he definitly has some skills.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
20 years ago maybe.
If you notice, most of those clips look like they’re probably from his middleweight and super middleweight days. He’s nowhere near that fast or impressive now. He does still have power and skills, but the guy from those clips isn’t the one who will be stepping into the cage. So, I don’t think the video is relevant to how he might perform now.
by The real Philo on Mar 7, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Try This....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqlz5oxknf0
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
LMAo
Yea mma boxing is different from regular boxing so toney will not do good. You are a retard
by The real ZACK on Mar 7, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Toney in the UFC
No one makes a big deal when a jujitsu martial artist goes into the MMA saying he can’t strike he will be killed. Eveeyone knows what a great striker can do whether it is with their hands or feet. Tim Sylva former heavywieght ufc champ was knocked out in 10 secondes with one punch by 49 year old ray mercer and then mercer jumped on him and hit him two more times. Toney is a far better boxer than mercer ever was and mercer was a very good boxer. If toney can learn to stop take downs like lidell or even better knock someone out while they are coming in for a take down that will be great. Toney’s hands are far faster, in my opinion, than the majority of the heavyweights in the UFC. Just my opinion but many UFC fights are ended in a standup from what I see. Toney has a chin like no others and he has almost 80 pro fights and 30 or 40 amateur fights. He has the mental calmness in a fight that allows him to think and knows what a guy is going to do befor they do it. Regardless of what happens it will be very interesting. However some like couture would be a mistake becasue he is just one tough guy, after seeing the brock lesnar fight, he shows he is strong and mentally strong as well. He has the wisdom from being in the sport for so long just like toney. I really don’t know why boxing is always put down by MMA fans. No true great or even good boxer has ever gone into MMA. Marcus Davis was not that good, most of the guys he fought had over 100 loses and noly 10 or 20 wins. WHat does that tell you about his ability in boxing.
Geezus, where do i begin with this post
Hosef, it’s obvious that you’re a big James Toney fan, and I have no problem with that. Back when i cared a little more about boxing, I was always up for a James Toney fight, as he would always deliver a great show. I’m sorry to say though, that James Toney coming into the UFC will be nothing short of a complete disaster for James Toney. Where do I start?? First off, forget about any comparisons between Toney, Ray Mercer and Tim Sylvia, because James Toney will not be fighting Tim Sylvia. Tim Sylvia couldn’t make a UFC card if his life depended on it. You say that “Toney has a chin like no others”……..Maybe so in a boxing ring, but Toney has never been punched in the face with 4 oz gloves. “He has the mental calmness in a fight that allows him to think, and know what a guy is going to do before they do it”……Not very tough to do in a boxing ring when a guy can only come after you with punches from his right or left hand. Let’s see how mentally calm he is when kicks, takedowns and unorthodox strikes are added to mix.
If James Toney wants to get into MMA, he should have picked one of the lesser known organizations to test the waters. He’s stepping right into the Major Leagues of Heavyweight Division Mixed Martial Arts. He’s stepping in against the best. Now considering the fact that NO UFC HW fighter will want to be the guy that loses to James Toney, i highly doubt that anyone will even risk banging with him for 15 minutes. These fights are going to end quickly, and embarrasing for James Toney. He has neither the youth, intelligence, discipline or athletic ability to withstand the wrestling, grappling and muy-thai that he will be going up against.
I am in the category of former boxing fan that now prefers MMA. If MMA fans are putting down boxing, i think it’s certainly the minority. Honestly, we don’t need to put down boxing as it’s rarely on our radar. I still respect the sport, and the athletes that participate. I believe that Kermit Cintron, with proper training and management could perhaps have an impact in MMA….but James Toney, forget about it. I will gladly admit to being an idiot and i’ll give you props if i’m wrong, but I think i’m pretty safe with these predictions.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Dana scared of Cintron coming to the UFC
Kermit Cintron a world class boxer and former state champ in college wrestling told dana white he would fight anyone in the UFC and he was told no. Why becasue his striking is too good for the UFC. He also is a world class wrestler. So he has the ability to fight on the gorund why not, because he is not a big name. He is said to be one of the hardest hitting middleweight boxers and he is world ranked. I say let him in the UFC to show how well he could do. Dana WHite is scared by him showing up the UFC, that’s all!
i hear ya hosef
Cintron would a perfect boxer to cross over. That’s the guy I want to see in the ufc.
He’s going to throw a liver kick ~Bas~
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea dude, i’m sure Dana White is really scared of Kermit Cintron……Why the fuck would Dana be scared of anyone showing up in the UFC?? Dana is not a fighter, he’s a businessman. If Kermit Cintron can make the division better, and agree to a contract that is within Dana and the Fertita’s framework, they would sign him. Hell, they’ve signed James Toney and Kimbo Slice, so i think they’ve proved that they’re not afraid of signing anyone.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
actually
Dana didnt accept Cintron’s challenge its true … So i dont know Dana said Cintron was a nobody but then he signs Kimbo? give me a break
by The real ZACK on Mar 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
What was "Cintron's Challenge?"
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
whean meaweather backed off
Cintron said he would fight. I think it was supposed to be against sean sherk.
He’s going to throw a liver kick ~Bas~
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 6, 2010 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your right
BUt Cintron makes too much money right now to fight in the UFC for not guaranteed money especially… Maybe when he starts to fall off in boxing then he would most likely try UFC thats if he isnt old and washed up by then
by The real ZACK on Mar 6, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
thats the problem
He’ll make more boxing right now is so we’ll either never see him in mma or at least not in his physical prime with years of the appropriate training. He’s not a world class wrestler but he does have the wrestling background that a guy like toney dosnt.
He’s going to throw a liver kick ~Bas~
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 6, 2010 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
been there done that don't need the replay
Randy destroyed Tito when Tito was in the prime of his career. It wasn’t even close. So why watch a watered down rematch? Randy owns Tito mentally (by mentally I mean psychologically, even Homer Simpson would own Tito intellectually).
Well put Randy. The man stepped up. Whether he wins or not, can't knock on him for at least stepping up.
by The5thBeatle on Mar 6, 2010 3:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i would rather him than a ex cheating sell out baseball player
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
I think Toney was busted 2wice with roids.
by The5thBeatle on Mar 6, 2010 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Coutoure
Def looks to be banging Gina on the LOW. After she lost to Cyborg.. she put her head on Randys chest in the “we just finished making love kind of way” THAT MAN IS MY HERO!
by The real ZACK on Mar 6, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was more...
in a “Daddy, I just got my ass whooped” kinda way. Question is, is he her father-figure or her sugar-daddy. I’m sure he’ll take whatever he can get.
nothing but pennies in that bag.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 6, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions
James Toney
James Toney Should fight someone farther down the food chain! Let him prove himself first shit that not fair to the other fighters!
shonuff had it right imo
Let him fight Duffee.
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 6, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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