Dan Hardy: 'I can become world champion within 12 months'
by Jesse Holland on Mar 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
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"I know I can become a world champion within 12 months. The thing about UFC is that, unlike boxing, a defeat doesn't put you right down at the end of the queue. This sport has many examples of fighters losing a number of bouts and then challenging for, and winning, a world title. My contest against GSP has tought me a lot and I will utilize all of the lessons I have learnt to make me an even better fighter. There are certain aspects of my game that I can change for the better. I can now go straight back into the gym and do my best to learn lessons from that latest fight of mine."
Former UFC welterweight number one contender Dan Hardy reflects on his lopsided loss to reigning division champion Georges St. Pierre at the UFC 111 event from Newark back on March 27. "The Outlaw" is confident that he can reinvent himself and win enough fights over the next twelve months to capture a world championship -- presumably within another organization -- unless he can do something about the takedowns of "Rush" -- which no other welterweight can seem to stop either. Anyone interested in seeing the Brit get another crack at the crown?
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I have serious doubt's.
I think even if he goes into the gym and works tirelessly for a whole year, the fight would go the exact same way.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
He's The Outlaw Right?
Maybe he is planning to murder GSP somehow…..?
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Bigbadbunbun got his nickname from his girlfriend Jay.
Not even
What is the average number of fights annually for a ufc fighter? 2 – 3? He’ll be lucky just to even get another shot at the title in a year.
Maybe if he trains nothing but takedown defense for an entire year!
Only way GSP will ever lose is to face someone that can keep the fight standing, and force GSP to strike, which since serra, he has been petrified of doing!
Hardy can train TD defense all he wants and he'll still get owned by GSP
Another one of your boys that was supposed to KO GSP got completely dominated. For watching MMA as much as you do, it’s funny how your wrong every single time GSP steps into the cage!
I think Hardy should focus on beating guys like Fitch and Koscheck and Johnson and other guys in the top 10 before entertaining the thought of a rematch with GSP.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Yeah...
I think that he’s implying that he would beat those guys first. I think it’s a good thing that he wnats the title. That’s what his mindset should be. Otherwise what’s the point…
MAYBE
He could break into the top-5 in the division in 12 months….MAYBE.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Either way, he is charismatic and I look forward to seeing him compete again. No matter how he is ranked. Hardy vs. Kos for his next fight. Book it!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Just to get outwrestled again? What about Kampmann?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Winner of Kampmann/Thiago would be a good opponent for Hardy.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Is that official? I thought it was just rumor?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I thought it was set for 115, but I'm not sure if it's official.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
That’s a good match-up. If GSP couldn’t submit Hardy, I doubt Kampmann could and Kampmann’s stand-up is overrated. I’d take Hardy over Kampmann in that one.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
But Kos likes to stand
and GSP’s takedowns are even better than Kos’. GSP took Alves down at will while Kos never could. Who’s to say that Kos would be able to get Hardy down or at least as easy as GSP could. Hardy already has several things in spades that you cannot learn. An unbelievable chin, amazing heart and a strong belief in himself.
Kampmann is an excellent choice, Ulf. However, the trash talking between Kos and Hardy would be epic. And I do not think that Kos' wrestling will equal a duplicate performance of the GSP match. Hardy will improve.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't think Kampmann would have anything for Hardy
Hardy is a big, strong welterweight and would dominate Kampmann on the feet. I would say the fight would look like Daley/Kampmann.
I think Kampmann is very underrated. He would adjust to Hardy and make it a good fight. I just prefer Kos.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I like Martin but
vs Hardy it would look the same as when Semtex faught him.
Hardy should fight Thiago Alves next. Then Fitch. Kos eventually and I guess all will be factored on how well Daley puts wins together
by Bigger Zino on Mar 31, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand the comparison between Hardy and Daley. They are not the same fighter so assuming that Hardy v. K would equal Daley v. K is a logical short circuit. Anyway... Daley vs. Alves. Hardy vs. Kos. Fitch vs. Almeida.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
nothing wrong w/ your match making OJR
Id pay for all of them.
Hardy and Daley are both stand up guys… different styles yes… but strikers non the less.
because they train together at roughhouse it’s easy to contrast them.
Same for Andre Winner IMO
by Bigger Zino on Mar 31, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get putting Hardy up with the other big boys, yet.
After the type of loss he just sustained, I don’t think putting him with a top tier WW is a good idea. Fitch, Alves and Kos would all be large favorites over Hardy at this point. I just think to prove that he belongs with those guys, that he should get a “next tier” WW like Kampmann or Condit. If he deserves another shot at GSP, at any point, he should demoilsh either, but remember, it was not that long ago that Kampmann and Swick were supposed to fight for the next title shot.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I am thinking like a fan (that's my excuse).
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I would say that Hardy is already top 5
I would love to see a match with Alves or Paulo Thiago. That would be sweet. The way Hardy dominated Mike Swick, who I know doesn’t get a lot of love around here, was very impressive and surprising to me. The fact that GSP put Hardy on his ass time after time does nothing to diminish his skills in my opinion. GSP can do that to anybody at welterweight. The three lower divisions in the UFC are like the champion and then everybody else. I would take Hardy against anybody else at welterweight not named GSP in the UFC.
Top 5? He squeeked one win over a guy in the top 10.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
I don't believe he squeeked a win over Swick
He beat him up handily for three rounds. It was a dominating win.
Dominating win? hahahahahaha.
He had trouble getting him off him. Swick out-grappled Hardy. Fact is Hardy barely got by Davis and Swick.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
hardy had him hurt what 3 times?
hardy wasnt hurt once..i say thats pretty dominating sir and out-grappled LOL what?!
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 31, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I need to watch it again but I remember
Swick being close to being finished on a couple of occasions in that fight. If Swick out-grappled Hardy how did Hardy win a unanimous decision? Most of the fight was on the feet and Hardy dominated there. Not sure what you’re talking about. And the hahahahaha doesn’t impress me or make your points more credible.
jays opinions are usually based on his bias towards a fighter i wouldnt worry too much
he doesn’t like Hardy so he would see a fight differently to everyone else on the planet e.g the swick fight as you just mentioned
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't speak for me, you don't know a thing. Hardy is my second best WW.
He didn’t dominate Swick at all. Dominating fighters get 10-8’s. He did beat Swick and I was elated. He didn’t smash Swick or make Swick look like he didn’t belong in the cage with Hardy. It was a close fight, and if you can’t destroy Swick you have no chance with Alves or Fitch.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
hardy is my second favorite WW, not second best WW.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
alright then lol
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 31, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to be clear, I love Hardy. If GSP moved to MW, I would only cheer for Hardy at WW.
But I get sick of GSP’s opponents getting credit for surviving 35 minutes with GSP while he treats them like sparring partners, whilst GSP gets called boring. You try to stop a guy that is playing Defense only.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
A unanimous decision is not a close fight
Swick is no pushover. You believe that if you can’t destroy Swick you have no chance with Alves or Fitch? I believe Hardy would have a very good shot at defeating either one of them. We’ll just have to wait and see.
A unanimous decision is not a close fight
Not necessarily. I agree with your opinion of Hardy, but close fights aren’t defined by the judges’ verdict. Not always.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Agreed Jackanapes
Not always. But to me a close fight is one in which a split decision is rendered. Sometimes a fight that is close can be called unanimously just not the majority of the time in my opinion.
I think one moron even gave it a 30-27. WTF?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Yeah, I was just going by Wiki so it may be dubious, but it has one judge giving it 30-27. I wouldn’t be surprised anyway.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Unanimous decision is not a close fight?
Machida – Rua anyone?
Even Jackson – Griffin was unanimous. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t close.
In the case of Hardy/Swick
I’m all but positive that the scores were all 30-27. For a close fight to be scored that way by all three of the judges that would be a rarity.
I think even if it’s universally agreed that a fighter won every round it doesn’t mean the fight wasn’t close. Each round may have been a highly contentious battle but the victor just managed to get the edge in each round.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
But I know what you’re, that not one judge thought differently. So I get you.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
But I know what you’re saying, that not one judge thought differently. So I get you.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
If Hardy continues to work on his jits and starts incorporating leg strikes, he will be a serious contender and future champion. First and foremost, #1 priority should be on his TD defense.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He needs to train in a camp with world class wrestlers, Rough House is a good gym for strikers..
but i dont know of any world class grapplers, id say dan needs to get over to the US to train maybe ATT or somethin
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 31, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
mark your calendars
If he’s not champion by March 31st, this guy will eat his words. This guy needs to go to Strikeforce since theres no competition for Nick Diaz.
More like Nick Diaz needs to come back to the UFC. If Diaz was reacquired by the UFC I’d be almost as happy as I would be if they reeled in Fedor. I really stress almost here.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
My thoughts exactly.
Either he’s expecting to be in SF or Japan soon because there is no way he ever beats GSP in this lifetime.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
Maybe if he does a couple of cycle's he will be able to physically hang with GSP.
After his loss though it should be much more than a year for him to challenge George again, there has been and still is a couple three guys more deserving than him. Mind you most guys that fight GSP look like they were hit by a car, Hardy came out of that fight relativly unscaved. He certainly didnt look that beat up.
On top of improving his skills
he still has to beat at least one big name. Paulo has beat Swick also, and then Kos on top of that. Nobody has ever mentioned giving Paulo then next title shot. Hardy needs to beat a top five and someone else in the top ten at least. I think he can do it. He’s a talented striker and tough, but he needs to improve some of those underdeveloped skills.
"ill be champ". "GSP is beatable".
Please see:
-BJ Penn
-Thiago Alves
-Jon Fitch
-(recent inductee) Dan Hardy
Get in line.
Mir sucks, FreeNow82 was right!
by daniel worby on Mar 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Haha
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Beautiful BNF
Hardy/Alves and Fitch/Almeida. Those would be nice.
Hardy v. Kos. The trash talking alone would sell PPV's like donuts at a police station.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Dan Hardy
did no worse in his fight with GSP than Fitch or Alves.
He’s already in the mix at the top of WW division.
He’ll get a real contender in his next matchup.
We’ll then get to see how he bouces back from the setback.
A win vs a top 5 guy puts him right back at the top.
GSP
I just realized how huge GSP looks in this pic! He looks like a LHW or at least a MW…he’s really increased his size in the past couple of years.
If he did, given that most likely GSP would put on the same clinic he did with Alves, I’d much rather see Semtex/Alves. What a stand-up battle it would be.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Semtex fights Kos in May
Let Alves and Hardy go at it. That fight would be awesome.
Definitely.
I reckon it would be a hard-fought decision.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Damn, forgot to press reply (replied at the bottom)
Yeah, didn’t he say three weeks or something most likely? It was around a month or less anyway. Unless other news has come forth.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
More than likely I would say
It’s just to bad because GSP would probably sub him in one of the first two rounds. Daley wouldn’t get the opportunity to through a friggin punch and wouldn’t be able to avoid the subs like Hardy did, or tapping at least.
i really think hardy does have a bright future..
anyone that stubborn and that determined will come out better..and maybe not flap his jaw so much about his opponent next time..though he is quite witty..just makes ya look bad when you have no answers in the octagon..
True. But against GSP one can be forgiven.
And he’s clearly intelligent and respectable in most cases. He’s not as much an “outlaw” or a punk as his mohawk makes him out to be. He’s a welcome addition anyway.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
i agree..
i judge people on their fighting style, not their personal style..cuz hey, they are fighters not models..
Yeah, but some of their characteristics must filter through to some extent. Maybe? For instance, Karo Parysian comes across as Captain Douchebag, but I like watching him fight even though I don’t particularly like him.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Yeah, didn’t he say three weeks or something most likely? It was around a month or less anyway. Unless other news has come forth.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
I think making Kos & Fitch fight is a good idea
maybe winner of that fight winner of Hardy vs Avles for title shot
fitch already had a second to none, wait, 2nd to St. Pierre wrestling game before ever starting mma….and however long after his first bout with GSP, GSP would still beat him over 5 rounds.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 31, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
how does this guy think he can learn wrestling in 1 year to compete with GSP?
or the take down defense to stop it
against the best Wrestler in the div maybe even the UFC. OMG He must of went on a drinking bender after the loss and is still on it.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Anything is possible
IHe has heart thats for sure, regardless if you like him or not any fighter that fights in the UFC should want to be the champion and of coarse they are going to believe in themselves even if you don’t. Will he learn wrestling in 12 months, will he beat the other top contenders and if he does both is it going to be enough? I doubt it but still I like the fact he has the desire to get back there.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sorry Bj I didn't mean for it to sound like you didn't like him, that part was directed at anyone reading my comment
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Good point.
The cropped quote of a seemingly audacious statement is usually taken out of context as well. And of course, as you implied, what else is he supposed to think? A defeatist attitude would get him nowhere.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
1 round
1 year and maybe he can win a round. Seriously, everyone keeps saying oh hardy did better than alves or fitch did. Ok so he took less damage, name 1 friggin thing ALL fight hardy did to GSP. I could be wrong but i think hardy caught him with 1 punch that was somewhat clean. 1!!
I would love to see HArdy fight:
Alves, Fitch, Kos ,and ect any of these top 5 guys i dont think he beats any of them he needs alot of ground work. another year or 2 he may be able to beat a top 5 guy.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
maybe im wrong we will just have to wait and see
But i am a Hardy fan im just give you my opinion
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
I don't see anybody beating GSP either
I would love to see a Hardy and Alves fight, or a Hardy and KOS fight…
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Guys hardy should fight
Actually the more i think about it, hardy should fight guys like kampman, condit, athony johnson. Then if he beats 1 or 2 of those guys than u can fight fitch kos or alves.
Better than BJ
People r all saying hardy did good in the fight. Took hardly any damage, only thing he did wrong was wrestling. BULLSH**. He did better than BJ did in his firght with GSP. Does that make him better than BJ? Hell NO is doesnt! So quit with the he did better than others argument people. Hardy is outside the top 5 until proven otherwise, period!
He was 6th(bloated ranking) and now he's in the top 5? For getting beaten badly?
I agree with mspenc24
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
agree you shouldn't get ranked higher for trying to weather a shit storm
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Hardy's not going to get close
He’ll never beat GSP. Ever. Unless GSP breaks his spine and comes into the octagon in a wheelchair.
I don’t see him beating Fitch ever. Or Alves. Or Koscheck, unless Koscheck fights his stupid wide-open fight he fought against Paulo Thiago.
Come to think of it, I’d pick Paulo Thiago over Hardy.
He’s a tough guy, who got dominated for his entire title shot. Even when they stood, he landed less than GSP. He’s not a future world champ IMHO.
Hardys guna come 2 his next fight a way better fighter.
Gsp wud have messed up any1 else a lot worse hardy. Hardy’s a tuff guy. 1 of my fav WW. Can’t w8 to see who they put up against hardy next. Him & aj wud be Gud but I don’t think he wants none of hardy.
by d*locc on Mar 31, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hardy doesn't have what it takes, i'll bet anything he never wins the belt
He has good chin and showed he has crazy threshold for pain, but he’s still too cocky and arrogant. I don’t think he has what it takes mentally to become champ, he was acting like a douche in that fight even while being totally dominated. He smiled like GSP wasn’t hurting him then later in the fight he was yawning while GSP was on top of him. Like everyone else is saying let him fight Alves, Kos, Fitch or Thiago. I personally don’t think he can beat any of those guys.
Maybe if GSP moves to Welterweight
But I think GSP is too much of a coward which is why he says things like: “I still haven’t cleaned out this weightclass”
Unlike Anderson Silva who wants to challenge himself and fight the best in any weightclass. GSP doesn’t deserve a higher P4P rankings than GSP if he’s content at WW
Shit
Good post ;-)
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 31, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling GSP a coward takes away credibility from your post. Try to use another term. As far as I know, anybody who fights for a living cannot be a coward. That is not a possibility.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
thats fair
but I was only calling him a coward in contrast to AS which applies to every human not named Anderson Silva
by kibbled_bits on Mar 31, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I only read the title (oops)
agreed
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 31, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that GSP needs to move to middleweight
I don’t understand his reluctance to move up, challenge himself and please us fans greatly in the process. One remark from him really stood out to me at the postfight press conference. A reporter asked him about his motivation to go through the lineup of challengers again, meaning Kos, Alves, Fitch and possibly Penn. He said that it wasn’t like he was fighting the same person, even though he would be, because they would have evolved and improved. I understand his logic but at the same time even he admits that he has evolved and improved greatly over time. It would stand to reason, and I do believe, that the outcome would be pretty much the same. I also don’t believe that Jake Shields or Nick Diaz would pose a serious threat to GSP if they did in fact sign with the UFC. Diaz would not be able to stop the takedowns or sub GSP once he was on the bottom and a bout with Jake would not hit the mat. GSP would just pick him apart on the feet.
With all that said, I don’t feel like GSP can ever reach his stated goal of being considered the greatest P4P fighter in history, as hard as that is to determine, if he continues to fight at welterweight. He is just to good at that weight and he needs to be tested which won’t happen at 170. Just like Anderson needs to be tested by the top 205 lb. fighters in the world.
Good post. I agree 100%.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Jackanapes has an excellent fanpost examining this subject. Check it out.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
GDP would do same to silva
He may not move up but if he did he would do the EXACT same thing to the spider. He would take him down at WILL.
by mspenc24 on Mar 31, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol. NO
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Why not? Lutter with no wrestling took him down quite easily. And he's slow.
He could take Spider down, he just couldn’t keep him there.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
If GSP moves up to MW in a few fights he's got a chance
but he doesn’t if GSP remains a WW.
I think hardy needs at least 4 more fights against solid opposition before he can think about it.
Not sure how many fights KenBlo had after losing to Sherk and fighting BJ but thats the path Hardy needs to take (apart from losing in his second title fight of course!)
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 31, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
GSP would do well at WW
His current style, which is not too different from Sonens, allows him to impose his will on other fighters. Wrestling can negate differences in height, reach and size.
I say feed GSP to Wanderlei or Bisping then depending on how he does let him fight AS for the MW belt
by kibbled_bits on Mar 31, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You done it again KB
MW not WW!
Plus, i’d love to see him move up. Personally, i think he’d cain Bisping and Wandy very easily…
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 31, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is of no interest!
I have no interest in Seeing GSP L & P another opponent for 25 mins ever again! The exciting GSP is dead long live the BORING NO RISK FIGHTER!
before anyone dumps on this guy
He hits a chord with a lot of fans. GSP USED to be an exciting fighter and now he’s as exciting as he used to be. That’s completely different than a fighter like Sonnen or Henderson who have always fought this way. It’s more of a disappointment than people saying: “he sucks”, etc.
GSP has found a winning formula and GOOD for HIM, but that doesn’t mean his winning formula IS the most exciting. I’m still a fan of his, he’s one of the classiest fighters – very respectful of other fighters and a great ambassador for the sport.
by kibbled_bits on Mar 31, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
what he did wasn’t l&p, but it was pretty risk free and lacked any real surprises. There wasn’t any mixing it up with strikes, just takedown after takedown. MMA is a sport, but there’s also an entertainment element that separates a big name like GSP from a guy who just wins like Jon Fitch. People like GSP because he has a reputation of being dynamic and exciting….this fight although it was a dominant performance, was one of my least favorite GSP fights of all time to watch….very little GnP, almost no knees…..just a lot of strategizing and not as much attack as we’re used to seeing. I hope he learns from this that playing it safe may win the fight, but not the fans.
by cosa7189 on Mar 31, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Risk Assessment
Anytime a fighter steps into the Octagon he or she is taking a risk. GSP can beat Hardy standing too. In fact, he did beat Hardy standing during the short times that they were on their feet. I think it was Merkaba who said it best; GSP didn’t “allow” Hardy to use his strength in the stand-up game. Not allowing someone to do something is to say that you have control over their actions, which GSP plainly had over Hardy.
As far as GSP (ESP) being the most predictable fighter…you are right in the sense that we know GSP is going to dominate in one area or another. You think Chuck Liddell isn’t predictable? I think he’s taken someone down maybe once or twice in his career. I could be a little off with that estimate but, we know Chuck is going to stand if he can help it because that’s what he’s best at. If you guys want KO’s all the time, every time then, move along because you’re not a true MMA fan. Or better yet, stop paying for PPV fights and just wait for The Best of UFC KO’s on Spike. GSP was not just taking him down and laying on him. He put on a clinic against Hardy and was going for subs every single time.
by Insidious Smile on Apr 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mma like any sport/competition is about exploiting a weakness
and doing it until your opp stops you. That’s exactly what GSP did and does. He’s a smart fighter and a dominant fighter plain and simple. He’ll do it unitl some one can stop it. His stand up doesn’t suck either. He’s not one dimensional. He knew he could take down Hardy any time he wanted and advance his position any time he wanted. Why would you stand if you didn’t have to ?
Agree 100% Merkaba
His chances of losing the fight with that strategy were about as close to zero as you could possibly get in a fight between two professionals. I saw no problem in the way GSP performed, finish or no finish. He played to his opponents weakness and didn’t allow him to use his strength at all. It would be interesting as hell to see how he did in a tough standup battle when/if he was unable to take his opponent down. However, I believe that situation would only come in a middleweight fight.
Agree with merka
People who say GSp is boring r idiots. All he does is wrestle now! He is so good he takes a fight whereever he wants at any time. U idiots r watching greatness. Yeah his last 2fights he made it wrestling because alves and hardy r STRIKERS. Why take the chance when u good enough not 2? Did he only wrestle Hughes, fitch, kos. No, he stood and laid an ass whooping with those guys. With a few takedowns sprinkled in. I remember the spider getting questioed a few fights ago for being boring. Same idiots!
by mspenc24 on Mar 31, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you are an idiot.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Also for anyone that calls that boring should probably watch boxing instead or K1
Cause you obviously don’t appreciate good mma skills.
yup!
Good call Merkaba. I enjoyed UFC 111 cause I appreciate MMA in general. Sure it would’ve been nice to see an upset but St Pierre is soooo good.
I see that Hardy's mouth and ego have recovered from the fight quickly
lol, lunchbox….Rogan’s “sooooo good” comment.
I hear what you're all saying about GSP doing everything right in this fight
but remember when you were a kid and there was always that D bag that would keep kicking your ass at street fighter by using the hundred hand slap over and over again. By about round #4 I felt like GSP was that guy…..smart if you’re going for the win, but eventually no one will be your friend.
This guy reminds me of that Iraqi newscaster/information minister on Al-Jezeera
back when we went into Iraq.
“ALL IS WELL!!”
Anybody got links to that guy?
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Mar 31, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
GSP's next fight
Sexyama learns to cut weight. Him and gsp walk around at the same weight about 190. Why don’t Japanese fighters cut weight sexyama could fight at WW.
by Harveypark on Mar 31, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i say book fitch vs hardy. lets see if this brit is for real. alves can fight winner of kos vs semtex!
WHY????
Hardy had his shot now he needs to go back to training hard then go out and beat a couple of high level contenders. Just forget about GSP cuz he’ll never even get a title shot in the next year. I like Dan Hardy but come on man!
by silent assassin on Mar 31, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
hardys next fight
Ready many of these comments does anyone actually know that paul daley is fight KOS in his next fight, if you think kos should look past daley your rather silly or KOS mum. he will get knocked the fucked out.
Agree JG
I dont think KOS will be looking past Semtex. He already made that mistake with Paulo Thiago.
by silent assassin on Mar 31, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
He won't and he will defeat him handily
Daley will get ground and pound into dust and exposed for the very one dimensional fighter that he is. Kampmann underestimated him and paid the price. Hazelett just had no way to get the fight to the ground. Wrestlers like Kos, Fitch or GSP will have him on his ass in ten seconds.
But Hazlett's got that roll!
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Not a chance
There is no way he can go from fighting GSP getting taken down 11 out of 11 times and landing 0-17 strikes to come back 12 months later and be able to change than stat very much.
Already promoting himself
Unless he losses to the Strikers they put him up against, he’ll probably talk his way into another shot. The UFC will not put him up against a wrestler.
I think your last sentence
should be applied to GSP. Don’t put him up against pure strikers because he will take them down. Don’t put him in there with pure wrestlers or BJJs because he will TKO them. He needs to be challenged by more well rounded fighters. If BJ was a little taller, I would pay to see those guys fight each other twice a year. Who’s well rounded at MW? Forget about WW until Fitch and Kos start striking well against guys like hardy.
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