Why GSP Should Fight at 185
by Jackanapes on Mar 31, 2010 7:28 AM EDT
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Georges St. Pierre is the greatest welterweight of all time. He has dominated his opponents – fighters who are floating at the top of a rich talent pool of contenders. He's avenged his two losses with dominating vengeance. The two blemishes on his record came not by domination but by getting caught – one by submission the other by knockout – a fate which any mortal man can suffer.
He has reached such a peak that any logical argument is not over his position at the top of the mountain, but over how he slays his adversaries.
Some say he doesn't do enough to win or he wastes his talents. It seems we're not satisfied with him winning until we're satisfied with him destroying. Or maybe we just want to be entertained, even if it's at his expense. Our expectation has exceeded our admiration. But the criticisms will never stop. They keep coming. He's perfected the outcome, the victory, now he has to perfect something else. The way in which he does it.
But he's boring, some say. All he's doing is executing a better kind of lay n' pray. OJR made some good points regarding this, lending some credence to the tenacity of GSP's last few opponents, how they're all, in their own right, tough to put away. We should also look at them and consider what they are doing – or not doing – to stifle his takedowns, to put up some kind of competition to contend with his greatest strength.
His greatest strength is his honed yet inherent ability to wrestle. In fact, his greatest asset surpasses anything his opponents can offer. To eschew its benefits would be foolish, creating an unnecessary risk of losing his title – and his legacy. If Fitch and Koscheck can't offer any kind of wrestling competition, no other welterweight can. He's simply sticking to his strengths.
Rashad Evans chose to forgo his wrestling pedigree by trying to beat Machida at his own game. It was a valiant effort on Rashad's part, but it was a failed one.
Fighters who don't stick to their main strengths, who don't have a standout skill which exceeds any opponent's attempts to stifle it, have to take risks in order to overcome their opponents. Just as a tennis player who faces a tougher opponent than usual has to take a risk to strike the ball that much closer to the edge of the court, to summon that entrained skill by hitting the ball harder and faster, playing at a frequency with little errors and a higher intensity that his opponent can't match.
GSP doesn't have to take those unnecessary risks because he's not required to. He doesn't need to risk getting caught on the chin when he knows there's no one who can offer any kind of effective defense to his preternatural ability to wrestle. No one can deny him his takedown.
He has something most fighters don't have. A dominance in a set skill no one can come close to competing with. He doesn't need to take as many risks by staying on his feet and having a scrap or by timing his opponent. He can time his takedown instead, take their timing away from them, make them fight on his terms.
If GSP fought at 185, however, his wrestling would remain an asset but wouldn't be as overwhelming an asset as it is at welterweight. There are bigger, stronger wrestlers like Chael Sonnen and Yushin Okami, bigger BJJ experts like Demian Maia, guys with bigger frames and faster hands like Vitor Belfort.
Without the ability to overwhelm his opponents with his wrestling, he'll have to take risks, he'll have to mix it up and try to beat them on the feet, confuse them by going for the takedown, open up a newfound survival mechanism and do what he can to conquer his opponent. He'll be forced to use what he can to get the victory, not simply rely on his overwhelming strengths.
And if he loses . . . he loses to a bigger and stronger opponent. When BJ lost to GSP it didn't affect his legacy as a lightweight champion. And if a loss did affect GSP's status as a reincarnated god, illuminating us all of his own mortality, it would be better for him to be praised for what he is and for what he did rather than for what he didn't do, or for what he avoided.
He could stay at welterweight and try to work on finishing his opponents, possibly succumbing to the crowd's discontent by taking unnecessary risks, eventually getting caught by a fighter he could have otherwise beaten had he used his strengths to tackle his weaknesses. Or he could take the next step to cement his legacy, fight the next challenge, and be a champion who fought anyone even when the odds were against him.
GSP wants to be known as the best pound for pound fighter in the world. The only way to do that is to fight at a higher weight class and prove it.
Note: Go easy on me, lads. This is my first and probably last post.
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agreed.
it would be very cool and very interesting to see his next fight at 185! against a middle tier fighter like bisbing
First of all, this fanpost is better than mine. Second, thanks for the kudos. Third, I strongly recommend that you continue to post and create more fanposts. You get a rec.
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Opponents at 185 for GSP : I would love to see Vitor, Wandy and Akiyama vs. GSP. I think those fights are realistic if he makes the jump. I think A. Silva jumps up to 205 and stays there. No superfight for GSP with A. Silva.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I want GSP vs
Maia, Sonnen, Bisping, D. Miller, a few others… but NOT ANDERSON SILVA unless he destroys all the guys I just mentioned.
I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it
by PHISH NATION on Mar 31, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, OJR. Even if I disagree with you (which I haven’t thus far — but it’s inevitable to at some stage) you always tend to make sense or have a good point of view, so I appreciate it.
I just dabbled with a poll and put it in too. But I’m not so good at polls, I usually forget a critical option. :)
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Option #1. Nothing left for him at 170. As mentioned in another thread, Diaz is the only "name" left and that fight will not happen. Time for GSP to move up.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Good call. I agree. I guess with the poll I just wanted the main routes he could take without the little branches of reasons why. It’s more of a poll to see what choices he should make, for example, that he can either do it, not do it, or can’t do it, if ya know what I mean.
Either way, I’m interested in people’s sensible opinions.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Anybody think Chael Sonnen makes sense?
I would love to see the ground work exchange back and forth.
If I could pick GSP’s first opponent – that would be it
by Bigger Zino on Mar 31, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it would definitely be intriguing. After what Sonnen did to Marquardt it would be a really tough challenge for GSP I reckon, and maybe for his first fight someone like Bisping or Belcher, someone more mid-range, would be good, just so he could get used to the added weight he has to put on and get a good system going.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
why?
Someone needs to test his wrestling at this point and he trains w/ Rashad
and Nate to prepare for his fights
I know he’s used to the size of these guys already so let’s just get in there with someone who means something.
Bisping and Belcher are of no interest to me anyway.
by Bigger Zino on Mar 31, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I would definitely be all for it, though I think I was comparing it to Silva’s entry into 205 where he had a kind of “warm-up” fight with Irvin, and likewise for GSP, I would want him to be totally comfortable before taking on a top 5 guy. But I’m really either here nor there and would welcome either option.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Note: Go easy on me, lads. This is my first and probably last post
Let’s hope this isn’t the case. Rec.
by Bigger Zino on Mar 31, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheers buddy :)
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Please GSP move up.
Middle weight is so boring right now, no competition. The 170 class will be just fine without GSP, and yes there is nothing left for him at 170. If GSP does like to challenge himself as he says, then move on up to 185, and try to dominate that weight class as well.
Love the idea.
he would destroy bisping on wrestling ability alone.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 31, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good idea.
That would be one of many interesting match-ups and a good one to start things off. I’d pick GSP to win, which I’m sure most people would feel the same. GSP is so well-rounded, I don’t think Bisping could pose too much of a threat in the stand-up either.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
GSP would own Bisping any where he chooses...
GSP is so good at wrestling that they forget he is a an accomplished striker. I know he tired Thiago out with the takedowns, but he was standing with him for a good amount of time. He put a stand up clinic on Fitch (I do realize he is a wrestler with a mediocre stand up game). GSP is well rounded. I think he could stand with Bisping easily and pick him apart.
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
I agree. And and if he chose to mix it up with his takedowns he would be even more effective.
Bisping/GSP would be a good fight to see as well. A good fight to welcome GSP to 185. But there are heaps of good match-ups for him there and I would be happy with any.
agreed, as a Bisping hater...
I would love to see GSP smach Bisping!
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
Haha.
I can’t say I’m a Bisping hater but I can still appreciate how he would have punch appeal to some.
Our expectation has exceeded our admiration. But the criticisms will never stop. They keep coming. He’s perfected the outcome, the victory, now he has to perfect something else. The way in which he does it.
I would love to see GSP go up in weight and try to handle guys like Sonnen, Okami or Belcher in the wrestling department.
"There's nothing cool about taking punishment" - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Me too. I honestly think he could rough it with guys like Sonnen — not necessarily dominate him — but put up a well contested fight. The good thing about him going up is that the potential battles on the ground would be more interesting than the stand-up fights. Possibly, anyway.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
2 recs...
come on guys, its his first fan post and a good one, give him some more recognition.
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I agree. Its a damned good one. Freenow, your picks for GSP @ 185? Any fighters you prefer GSP to challenge at that weight?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think there are a lot of fantastic fights for him there...
3 fights that come to mind immediately and that I would love to see:
Chael Sonnen, Alessio Sakara, Demian Maia
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
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Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yeah..i came back and read it..
very well written..you did well in school i would guess..lol valid points thoughout .
Thanks.
Haha, yeah that’s understandable. I was kind of feeling the same until I was compelled to write something. The prospect of GSP fighting at MW has slowly started to excite me and have more interest in him.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
Good post!
He def does need to move up in weight to prove p4p status! I mentioned that yesterday and some douche went off about how he doesn’t! Esp since he is bigger than almost all of the 170’s. How can you be even mentioned in the p4p convo when almost all of your fights are with lighter men??? YOU CAN’T
Did you say douche and mean to say someone with an idea what P4P means?
If you think he needs to move up to be considered for P4P, you should probably stop discussing the subject, since it is painfully obvious you don’t know what it means. You are making yourself look stupid.
I don’t believe someone could say this “He def does need to move up in weight to prove p4p status!” and still think they aren’t the douche themselves.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Fighting in multiple weight classes and P4P have nothing to do with one another
If you want to argue that to be considered the best ever one must be able to dominate in multiple weight classes, or that he needs to move up for his legacy then I think the argument has some validity. But being at the top of P4P doesn’t have anything to do with fighting in higher weight classes. P4P is simply a size equalizer that compares who has the better skills if the same fighter was a different size. GSP could put on 50 pounds and fight at HW but it wouldn’t be a fair assessment or his ability at that weight because he wouldn’t be the same fighter he is in his natural weight class. And that isn’t to say that he shouldn’t move up in weight, because I don’t think 170 has much left for him and I would love to see him move up to MW. Just that moving up in weight has no bearing on P4P status.
Big ups for the Homie Jackanapes
I do believe GSP is just to dominant at WW rite now,id love to see him go up and fight at least a few meaning full fights at 185 to secure his legacy as 1 of the best pound for pound fighters ever.BJ and Andy did it…why cant GSP.
dont forget about randy & henderson
they botth moved up and won titles even though both are considered small (randy to HW) (dan to LHW)
so for someone to say gsp is too small its just bs if hes that good he should win at MW
but I dont see it happening I GSP getting destroyed by a silva please let it happen
GSP belongs at 185
“To eschew its benefits would be foolish, creating an unnecessary risk of losing his title – and his legacy. "
I think his legacy just becomes “a successful fighter who played it safe” because of his performances. A move up in weight might put some fire back in him.
I think he should move up
But still defend his belt, do what Silva did face a bigger MW that is around 6-7ish in rank and see how he feels at the weight. If he likes it he continues but I don’t think jumping into the deep end would be the best idea right of the hop though.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don't think he should defend at 170 bc we get 5 fn rounds of wrestling!
Let the other talent compete for the 170 strap.
Well written. Nicely done.
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Good Post. And in Theory it Makes Sense.
However, GSP isnt going up anytime soon. He has no interest in that right now. I think at this point it is more likely he fights Daley first, Kos and Fitch and maybe even Alves. If Daley beats Kos. Daley is getting a crack at the title. If Kos wins he will hype himself into the title fight. Meanwhile, the winner of Fitch and Alves which should be rescheduled soon will also be in the mix.
I don't have a desire to see him mow through Kos, Fitch and Alves again..
Although it obviously isn’t my call and I’ll still buy it just because I love mma. I’m a huge GSP fan but if that is his plan, my respect for him would go down and he definitely wouldn’t be considered ahead of Anderson, Fedor or BJ in the p4p discussion. Could you imagine if Daley was to somehow beat Kos. He may as well not even work on his standup for the camp to prepare for GSP because he’ll spend all of about 15 seconds of each round on his feet. That fight would end in a sub by GSP in my opinion, and possibly very quickly.
And another thing that I feel strongly about
is if BJ Penn had to cut to make welterweight the way he does to make lightweight, a fight between him and GSP would be a toss up. Meaning p4p I consider BJ Penn as good, if not better than GSP. And I’m not even a big fan of BJ.
I see your point.
But realistically he hasnt cleaned out the division. If Paulo Thiago beats another big name he is a win from a shot and if Daley KO’s Koscheck that puts him right there to fight GSP. However the more Fitch wins the more pressure the UFC has. He keeps beating guys some even ones that could be preparing for a run at the title. Alves also, he is on pace to be in the Fitch route. Thats the problem with the 2-4 guys being better then 5-?? guys and the number one guy owning the top 2-4. I think Daley/Kos winner should get a title shot before we start debating a move to 185
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kos will defeat Daley handily and then a fight with GSP
will happen. I guess we’ll have to settle for a Kos/GSP rematch. If Daley did happen to get past Kos he would have zero chance at defeating GSP. Maybe Kos can make it interesting but I dunno.
And Fitch is getting on my last fricking nerve.
The way he talks about finishing fights and how he refuses to fight Kos. Dana is 100% right when he told Fitch that he must not want to fight for the title that bad if he wouldn’t agree to fight Kos. Then Fitch makes the dumbass remark of how if it happened it would happen at the gym with the doors closed. What a dick. Dana could cut his ass tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss him.
My favorite is when he says that he still sees
flaws in GSP’s game. I’ll never forget Fitch’s face after that fight. That was horrendous. If they fought 100 times he would look like that at the conclusion of every one of them. Fitch won’t defeat GSP in their lifetimes.
You Have Good Points.
But alot of mma fans dont realize that teammates and that bond you gain training together for so long is much more important then the UFC, Zuffa and any other organization. I respect Fitch for standing his ground vs Dana White. The only time I see a problem is if Fitch is champ and Kos is number one contender. Why do they have to fight? I know in some cases a fighter would rather be cut, be sent to the prelims or retire then fight a good friend. I know no matter how hungry I was to win a title I wouldnt fight the guys in my gym I am close with.
Also, alot of people are writing Daley off vs Kos because of the ground game. But remember Koscheck likes striking and Daley can and most likely will make him pay for it. I am not saying he will win but if Kos strikes with Daley he is at high risk to lose.
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 31, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand the bond aspect of course
but don’t make some jackass comment about the fight happening behind closed doors. If it’s going to happen, why not do it in the octagon on ppv where we all win?
I couldn't fight my friend!!!
And I think to many people would talk sense into Kos and have him take the fight to the ground. At least you would think so.
Not against Fitch. If anything, Kos would be a good chance to nullify Fitch’s game by stopping the takedown and beating Fitch up.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" . . . unless the size of that dog happens to be 300lbs and goes by the name of BROCKLESNAR and you happen to be 180lbs of undefined meat; then it's the size of the baseball bat or the gun that matters.
Disclaimer: I am neither a "Brock lover" nor 180lbs of undefined meat.
And GSP will be content in recycling those guys over and over!
Nothing worse than a champ that doesn’t want a challange! Look at Silva and BJ. They get bored with winning so easily, but not GSP. He is so afraid of losing!
GSP would sub or GNP Daley to a finish
in the first couple of rounds in my opinion. I don’t believe his guard is as good as Hardy’s or that he would avoid tapping like Dan. I believe Shields tapped Daley in the first couple of rounds when they fought not to long ago.
I hate to say it MBOW but the afraid of losing part may not be that far off. Now I’m not saying that because of his takedown strategy because that is very smart and effective especially against a striker of Hardy’s caliber. I am saying that because of his reluctance to truly challenge himself by taking on the best middleweights in the world.
Good post Jack
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 31, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
Nice post, well written.
I think everyone is being a little hard on George. Yes, he is a monster, a champion, and should absolutely be finishing fights. But the past few people he has fought havent exactly been getting knocked out and subbed by everyone. Let’s review;
Hardy – Never been (t)ko’ed, last submission lost came almost 5 years ago.
Alves – Been (t)ko’ed once, by Fitch of all people. 1 of his 3 sub losses came to Spenser Fisher in his first UFC first, when he admitted he was drained cause he didnt cut right. One of his other came in his first MMA fight.
Penn – A tko, but the only other person who has tko’ed was Hughes back when he was a wrecking maching (and I believe Penn broke his rib in that fight).
Fitch – Submitted once, tko’ed once, both within his first 4 fights.
He is not going against cans by any means, and he has been smashing everyone in his way. What has he won, 24 straight rounds? He last lost round 2 to Kos? THAT WAS 2 AND A HALF YEARS AGO PEOPLE! I think that the WW division is really just that good, and I definitely cant blame him for not taking any unnecesary risks against Hardy or Alves – who throw bricks. Can’t say I wouldnt love to see him move up though….
I'd like to see him fight
Daley, Paulo Thiago, and Shields if he signs with the UFC. If he goes through those guys then I’d like to see him fight at 185.
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^^THIS^^
i want to see him fight at mw as well, but what’s the hurry? he’s only 28. he will move up someday, when he’s ready. he has stated as such and said when he moves to 185, it would be permanent, not a back and forth thing like anderson and bj. gsp has also stated several times that he would like to fight the spider, but dana doesn’t seem to keen on it.
i think alot of that has to do with what he saw happen to bj going against gsp the 2nd time around. before that, dana seemed interested in gsp/silva. i think in dana’s ideal world,( and most fans as well) bj, gsp and anderson would all move up a weight class. that would definitely add instant excitement to those 3 weight classes.
Jakanapes-nice write-up, all good points, very well written. the poll was incomplete imo. should have included " GSP should move up to MW eventually, when he and Dana are ready.
Dana does sign the checks after all. :)
Thanks for the compliments.
Regarding the poll, yeah I see what you mean, the poll was to serve more as a simple indication of what people would rather more than the specific different reasons. I really wanted to see people’s opinions on the main three avenues he can take such as whether he should (1) do it, (2) not do it, (3) or that he can’t do it.
"If Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin had a love child he'd be known as Brane Leswin and he'd be seven foot tall and bulletproof." -- Anonymous weirdo
But you, Yan117, and OJR all had good alternative options and you are all correct. I just wanted one poll choice for each avenue, not multiple poll choices for essentially the same path, i. e. voting that he should go to MW now or go later are still positive votes toward going to MW. But I could have written the options differently to reflect that.
"If Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin had a love child he'd be known as Brane Leswin and he'd be seven foot tall and bulletproof." -- Anonymous weirdo
Thiago could be an interesting fight
He is dangerous in the standup and would be a submission threat off his back. Daley would get subbed in the first couple of rounds. He would get his hand off of his chin in that fight. And Shields would have about an equal chance because GSP would just use his vastly superior standup to pick him apart. That fight wouldn’t hit the mat unless it was GSP following Jake to finish him after rocking him.
He should fight at 185 when he feels he’s ready against whichever opponent is put in front of him.
That is what I would have voted for. Very good post. Keep them coming.
"He's in trouble, I'm telling you right now."
- UFC Welterweight Champion George St. Pierre on Dan Hardy's hopes.
That's the option I would have voted for too.
Since he’s already stated that he’s not going to be going back and forth, I would rather have him decide when he’s done fighting at WW and make the move permanently and start over from there. But an excellent topic of conversation nonetheless.
nice post
it convinced me that GSP should move up and like you said wont be able to rely on his dominant wrestling/grappling and control he will be forced to take risks
At middleweight he will have to rely on his speed to win.
"He's in trouble, I'm telling you right now."
- UFC Welterweight Champion George St. Pierre on Dan Hardy's hopes.
I would vote to stop having GSP debates if that was an option, but it wasn't so i'll go with the flow and say.....
Great post and Rec’d.
All the good sigs are gone.
I think
I’d rather him stay at WW. Eventually you’ll have Hughes fans saying that GSP isn’t the most dominant WW ever because he doesn’t have the most title defenses. Hughes has 7 title defenses and 9 wins in title fights. GSP has 4 title defenses and 6 wins in title fights. I’d like to see GSP run through Kos, Fitch and Alves again and then either Johnson or Daley. After that make the move.
Good post Jackanapes
Agreed Shadyone33, I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I would love too see gsp win 10 titles at welter weight and pass the legendary matt hughes..THEN move up(best “official” welter weight ever). Gsp is only like 28 or so, he has plenty of time to do what ever he wants, its not like he’s in his mid 30’s. I find it laughable how some one mentioned earlier that gsp would lose most of his fights at 185…….LMAO..HOW? Swick was a contender at 185 and look how he’s doing at 170 now. GSP is moving up 15 lbs, anderson silva and okami used to fight at 170 or 175, believe it or not people can get bigger and stronger..shocking eh? I would be willing to bet all my money I have in my bank account(not much) he would have no trouble taking down ANYONE at 185 easily and wouldn’t be surprised if he beat ANY middle weight using his hardy/gsp fight style, in a 3 round fight(boring maybe but I think he’d win). GSP isn’t using super strength to muscle guys to the ground, his shot is lighting fast and he does it with perfect timing….Okami, sonnen would be embarrassed after a fight with him, I can almost guarantee that. With gsp’s frame I would stop at 185 though, I think that would suit his frame the best. With all that being said I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, we are talking about gsp to death and over analyzing everything about this guy. I’m guilty myself, but since he’s one of my favorites(his stock has been dropping with me unfortunately), I’ll continue to throw in my two cents.
Well said, nathang. As you and Shadyone33 said, it wouldn’t be so bad to solidify his reign as the greatest WW champion ever by staying and defending a few more times with the intent to finish his opponents in style. He could work on obliterating guys and making a statement. He’s worked on everything else, and improved them, so why not finishes? Anderson Silva answered the critics with his destruction of Forrest, so GSP is capable of anything.
It’s probably that, as a fan, the prospect of him fighting at 185 is so much more exciting and fascinating than another title defense at 170 against guys he’s already beaten.
But you guys make a really good point.
One more thing I would like to add
I find it kind of funny how “the boring” jon’s fitch’s only interesting fight in years was when gsp beat the crap out of him LOL. And how often he brings up gsp, and sees “holes” in gsp’s game, what a goof. I actually would love to see another gsp/fitch fight, I think gsp would finish him this time. The most “interesting” or exciting fight’s out there are the ones that go back and forth. A lot of Hughes title fights were interesting because he was losing the fight half the time LOL. I really doubt gsp will have many of those at WW, so I agree moving up to MW should bring more interesting fights. And GSP winning 10 title fights WILL give him a legacy, surpassing matt hughes, whether most of the fights were interesting or not.
I think for the fans he should fight at MW, for his own legacy he should stay at WW. Depends how safe he wants to play it, and I think we all know how safe he likes to play it. Frustrating, but still an absolute fucking legend.
If I'm free it's cos I'm always running - Jimi Hendrix
by Jimi_kiss the sky on Apr 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
I think he should have atleast 1 or 2 more fights at ww
I would like to see him fight Kos if Kos wins. IF he finishes Kos then i think he should move up. Or if they do still do the Fitch Alves fight i think the winner of that should get a rematch. If he finishes the winner of that fig!ht and Kos move up!
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Yeah, a couple more fights and he should move up. He stands to lose a lot of money if he risks his reputation, and starts to lose at MW. He’s in exactly the same situation as BJ, dominates his division, move up and there are a lot of hungry sharks, and less certainty. Personally, I don’t think we will ever see GSP at MW, far too many threats for him, he doesn’t take risks, part of why he is so good.
If I'm free it's cos I'm always running - Jimi Hendrix
by Jimi_kiss the sky on Apr 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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