James 'Lights Out' Toney signs multi-fight UFC contract (Updated)
by Jesse Holland on Mar 3, 2010 5:31 PM EST
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Straight from the files of "WTF?" comes the news that Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) has come to terms on a multi-fight contract with 41-year-old NABO heavyweight boxing champion James "Lights Out" Toney, as first reported by Five Ounces of Pain.
Terms of the contract were not disclosed; however, UFC President Dana White has confirmed the signing with MMAFighting.com.
Toney has been extremely vocal about getting his shot inside the Octagon as of late, probably after watching Ray Mercer get paid to put Tim Sylvia on queer street last year in Alabama.
And while the lack of pure boxing skills is an inherent problem within the ranks of mixed martial arts, the UFC heavyweight division is comprised of more than just a former YouTube star and some past-their prime headliners.
He may find that out sooner rather than later.
To help prepare him for his first-ever appearance inside the Octagon, Toney has enlisted the help of Juanito Ibarra, perhaps best known as the former trainer of Quinton "Rampage" Jackson.
From Ibarra, courtesy of Sherdog.com:
“We have been working on stretching, sprawling and movement, all the things he will need to get a handle on.”
The signing comes as a bit of a surprise considering Dana White's stance on "freak shows" and "special attractions." Toney may consider himself an exception based on his pugilistic resume (72-6-3, 44 KOs), but he isn't the first high-profile boxer to try his hand at the sport of mixed martial arts.
Former WBA/WBC welterweight and WBC junior middleweight champion Ricardo "El Matador" Mayorga recently signed on to face UFC veteran Din Thomas in his MMA debut under the Shine Fights banner at "Worlds Collide" on May 15 from the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville.
At this time there are no details regarding either a time line for Toney's Octagon debut or a potential opponent. Naturally that will be one of the 1000+ questions most of the MMA community will have for Dana White after it's officially announced.
In the meantime, we can only speculate as to the deciding factor in this very unusual addition. Does anyone at Zuffa really believe that Toney has the ground skills to survive a top level wrestler like Cain Velasquez or Brock Lesnar? Or is that the point? To prove that boxers are no better than mixed martial artists when taken out of their element?
There's still a lot to find out. In the meantime, keep it locked in right here at MMAmania.com for all the gory details as they develop.
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this gonna be a flash in the pan?
idk. i dont care. put him on a card with some other vets and ill watch him. dont put him against a wrestler…..
I call bullshit
5oz of Pain is one of the worst MMA “media” sites out there. They report stuff they see in MMA forums as news and “fact”. They are just as bad as bloody elbow.
I’m willing to bet this turns out to be false.
Haha
This is great news. That guy pisses me off so I hope he goes on a losing streak. lol
This will only make UFC/Dana haters hate him even more but yet they love strikeforce for some reason.
At least this is better than having a 50 something year old football player on the main card.
That just proved that SF is a perfect place for amateurs. A nice place for someone to start their MMA career. haha
Well Walker also has over 15 years of martial arts training
I don’t see how this is any better than the Walker signing. Thought Dana was against “freakshows”, and that the UFC didn’t need them. Weren’t you one of the guys saying Dana would never pull moves like that?
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
When did I say that? More like John.
Its better cause this guy is a fighter not a Football player. Walker didn’t look like he had 15 years of training under his belt. More like a week of learning wrist control.
I like this news cause i want this guy to lose so bad.
You and I know the UFC doesn’t need to put on freakshows cause they have tons of talent on their roster. I don’t consider this a freakshow move.
I would be mad if he signed someone like CANseco or Hong Man Choi though.
That’s a textbook definition of freakshow.
Not a freak show
Everyone said Lesnar was a joke when he first came to the UFC and said its turning into a freak show and hes the heavyweight champ now. I realize Toney is 41 years old, but give the guy a chance. He could still KO anyone in the HW division….nobody rips on Maia for being nothing but a jits guy and saying he is a joke and just a freak show in the UFC, because thats all he can do, yet he is fighting for the belt soon. Whether Toney is one dimensional or not, he has a set of skills that could definitely pose as a threat to anyone in the UFC. I dont know why people freak out about this stuff for almost no reason at all. Give him a chance, good lord….
For the record c-war
I don’t care if the UFC signs Lebron James, I just think it’s hypocritical of Dana. One thing though is that primarily ground fighters can usually survive the stand-up long enough to get it to the ground. The same can’t be said for stand-up guys. If you have no formal ground training you won’t last 30 seconds. Also Maia actually looks like an athlete and trains like one, and Toney doesn’t look like he’s been doing shit for a while now.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Maia looks like an athlete? he doesn’t look athletic at all, he’s all soft and has very limited athletic ability.
familiar faces in unfamiliar places.
There's many Roberto and exellent point
Maybe a Big Country and Toney fight will work well as big country has beat on many good athletes just like Toney has.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He needs to fight Cro Cop
It’s time for Cro Cop to redeem himself or hit the road. This would be a good fight for him to get back into highlight reel mode. I’d love to see him punt Toney’s head into the rafters of the MGM
You signiture is a disgrace...
That quote is from the late, great, Dr. Hunter S. Thompson. Where in the hell did you get Dr. Johnson? I’ve read every book he’s written. Wannabe.
Actually, Nokimono, it was Dr. Samuel Johnson who first said it. Hunter S Thomson repeated it in Fear and Loathing but wasn’t the creator of the quote.
by cauliflower_ears on Mar 4, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
oh snap
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
Call me Kanye, lol
I feel like such a Jack ass. I was drunk when i posted that. Over the years that quote was used so much in relation to Hunter that I for some reason forgot he wasn’t the author. I appologize…John Mayer style, just without the shitty music.
I know right? Its all good… I wasn’t trying to make you look like a tool.
As a fellow worshiper of Hunter S Thomson, thought I’d clear things up.
by cauliflower_ears on Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
First, HMC is a K-1 fighter with legit kickboxing skills.
Second, Walker is an athlete, and has been training with one of the best camps in the world. He’s obviously taking it very seriously. Toney on the other hand has never had good conditioning(not nearly as important in boxing as it is in MMA), and nothing he has done shows that he is legitimately interested in the sport. You can say it’s not a freakshow move, but it’s just as much of a freakshow as Walker is. Personally I don’t have a problem with these signings. As Jay-Z would say, “It’s only entertainment!” The thing that annoys me is Dana and his sheep calling SF “Strikefarce” for signing Walker, and being ok with moves like this.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
I want to see toney vs dos santos!
then everyone could see what the difference is in a mma fighter that has good boxing and a boxer with good boxing, my prediction toney KO rd 2
If any HW stands with Toney
They better be working the leg kicks. Letting this guy inside with 4 0z. gloves is begging to be napped.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
yeah, Toney would def win a boxing contest against JDS but it would be a disadvantage for him to fight with the 4 Oz. gloves against guys like that, it’s easier to slip and avoid the punches with boxing gloves.
familiar faces in unfamiliar places.
I agree about the gloves
I boxed for many years and your boxing gloves become your best friend. They are one of the best defences you have. He will find it a challenging transition to 4oz gloves.
If Walker is so serious
Why did he accept a fight against nobody like Nagy? He doesn’t take risks at all.
He didn’t even want to exchange blows with someone with a Preying Mantis stance. lmao
Also, I’m sure Walker only started training there for his first fight. Who knows where he was training in those other years.
I really don’t get why you guys call this a freakshow move. A boxer wanting to fight in an MMA org is freakish? It baffles me that you guys even compare this with Canseco. One good point that NNR pointed out below is that this guy is not even a draw. So it’s not like the UFC is getting him to bring in millions of viewers.
Btw, I think Dana said Strikefarce only once. He also said he was surprised that you guys keep bringing it up.
A boxer that has been acting like a fool campaigning for a shot
He obviously is in it for the money, any fool can see that. Everything about the way Toney has gone about this has screamed freakshow. What does Walker’s lack of “taking risks” have to do with the conversation at hand? I haven’t said Canseco’s name once, so I haven’t compared this to that. The guy is just a baffoon looking for another payday since he can’t make one in boxing anymore. Take your blinders off. I don’t care how many times Dana said it, he still said it.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
I said "You Guys"
when I talked about Canseco. You guys, the haters.
About Walker, You said that he was taking this seriously so I answered.
Trust me, Toney wont be making much in the UFC since he will probably lose his first fight. If he wanted to make more money, he would have gone directly to strikeforce. That’s another perfect example why Toney should be taken seriously even a little bit. He’s following the Brock Lesnar road. All or nothing attitude. This will only bring in more boxers. If he wins, more people would want to come. If he losses, there will still be some boxers who want to prove boxing is better.
So you think SF pays more than the UFC? Really?
I’m not hating man, I’m telling it like it is. If he wants to do this, more power to him, but let’s call it what it is. Comparing Toney to Brock is more laughable than comparing him to Canseco.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Toney is a ligit boxer, we will find out if his other talents or lack of get tested.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm sure I said Brock Lesnar "ROAD"
You have to remember that the UFC didn’t want to pay a lot for him.
That’s why he rejected the offer the first time. He even made a youtube video. He gave in and accepted the offer when he could have gone to strikeforce and asked for a better deal and not sign away his rights.
No matter what, most of you will tune in to watch. That’s for sure. ;)
theres no way sf would have paid him more
didnt he decline the 1st contract because he wanted a bigger portion of the ppv buys. he fight pay may not be high win or lose but we’ll probably never find out what cut dana gives him of the ppv buys for the even he’s on. it may even be istructured with ncentives. Dana could say listen if we double the ppv buys when your on there then you’ll get x percent but if the buys dont increase at all then you’ll get nothing…
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
Not to mention
Toney has done nothing but bash MMA and its legitimacy as a sport. Walker got into it because he admires the fighters and wanted to challenge himself. That shit does count for something.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Walker??? I'm talking about Toney LOL are you smoking some Reg weed are what
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
dont blame me that you cant read
diceman is clearly speaking of walker when he says that it counts for something. the way you followed it with his direct quote made it appear you were speaking of walker. not my fault.
worbanizer
You two crack me up
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
worby, for all that we argue(almost on everything) I still look forward to reading your posts.
I searched this thread to look for your take on this signing. I think it’s bullshit and Dana is a hypocrite in this situation. There see, I bashed Dana because it is appropriate.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
lol i hate dana only for sayin he doesnt endorse this shit
i look forward t him fighting and i just dont like that dana cant just shut up and sign whoever and let the other orgs do the same. dana is vocal about bot doing this tyoe of stuff. sf isn’t so i dont blame them.
worbanizer
I sort of understand where he's coming from though
Guys like the Shaws can ruin this sport for everyone. He just wants to make sure something stupid doesn’t happen to his money tree-so to speak.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Your right this time dw
I wasn’t responding to dices post LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Toney is a boxing legend..
and MMA has boxing in it….u dont see a difference? Walker stopped playing football over 13yrs ago!!!!
walker may have taekwondo xp
but he hasn’t been competing with guys like evander holyfield and roy jones jr. toney is definitely more of a fighter than hershel.
ya what natas said doesnt even make sense
Omit
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have martial arts training along with millions of other peaple doesn't mean shi^t
Toney is a proven boxer and can beat any MMA fighter in a boxing match the question can he keep it standing.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
he also said that Toney would knockout CroCop easily.
maybe there’s no kicking in Natas’ version of mma.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Have you seen
Cro Cops recent fights? He just backs away when someone is engaging him.
What do you think Toney is going to do? Stand still and wait for a takedown?
That guy is going to rush him and throw some bombs.
It would be very similar to JDS vs Cro cop.
If you think that Cro Cop vs JDS would be anything like Toney vs CC your crazy imo...
Do you honestly think Toney could take any caliber of kick to the legs and fight on??
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Dont you get
that he cant do anything when he being chased?
Most of awesome kicks are thrown when he is standing still.
Look, what ever way you want to look at it, Toney vs CC in an MMA MATCH equals vistoey for Mirko.
Toney vs CC in a boxing match, more than likely Toney would win. CC has alot of amateur boxing experience, 45 fights, 40 wins.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Vistoey = victory.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I would call it an MMA match
if CC had some takedown abilities but he doesn’t. He is afraid of throwing kicks when some is thowiing bombs at him.
Maybe you’re thinking of the old Cro Cop.
I find that kind of sweet. ~
Awwwww…..
And i find it quite annoying that your trying to be funny when your not....
Fucking dip-shit. Cro Cop obviously does not try to take the fight to the ground cause he is more comfortable standing but has good TDD and is able to hold his own on the mat. And anyone with any kind of take-down ability would be able to take Toney down because he has no TDD at all!! So shove your Awwwww up your hole my friend.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
"fuckin dip-shit"
tkkpal are you ok? you’ve seemed a little stressed lately…
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
Really?
Walker was 47, pretty close to same age as Couture and Coleman who just headlined a ppv in UFC. Then they released Coleman right after. UFC feeds you just as much crap but UFC fans are too dumb and dillusional to see through it mostly. I like mma in general i’m not a fan of BS and Hypocracy by any league but UFC is just as guilty as any other league.
very well said Merkaba.
we need more realist’s on this site. plz post more often. i appreciated it.
+1
worbanizer
He compared Walker to Couture and Coleman. It wasn't a good post at all.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
You think Walker deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Coleman and Couture?
Please explain.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
if it riles you up then ill say walker can beat lesnar so yes
also i think his comparison was they were main events and at least walkers wasn’t. it does make sense in a way. if walker was main event then yes you could completely disregard the opening sentence of his post
worbanizer
Making any argument where you use Coleman and Couture to justify Walker...
Is doomed from the start. They have nothing to do with each other. Coleman and Couture are legends of the sport and should receive different treatment than Walker. They have nothing in common except age.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
But they're the same age
Seriously that was a very lazy comparison, Walker shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as Randy or Mark nevermind compared to him.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
*them
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
It was a great post. Couture and Coleman, Coleman? are you serious!? he’s an old ass mma celebrity at this point and he was in the main event and look at the UFC roster compared to SF’s.
they all want to make money and that’s the bottom, they are all alike.
familiar faces in unfamiliar places.
Sign Coleman up to fight Walker. We'll see how alike they are.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Hopefully
Someone who will KO him or smash him with GnP. :D
Not Cro Cop cause he will rush Cro Cop on KO him.
I like the Perosh idea.
Perosh could choke him, or take his arm off, thatd be sweet.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
No fucking way Cro Cop loses to Toney, no fucking way!!!!!!!
One leg kick and Toney would fall down like the sack of shit he is.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Seriously tho, come on.......
A legend of MMA against a first time MMA fighter, no matter how good you are with your hands, if you ain’t been kicked in the body or especially the kegs before then you haven’t a hope, especially with someone that has legs like Mirko Cro Cop!!!
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I want Toney to fight Cro-cop of Kimbo first fight. Both have me slightly interested.
JASONFAHQ is a troll
i wouldnt count Cro Cop as a shoe in against anyone
Toney would have a decent chance. Don’t read this tkkpal.
:D
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont think so.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I can't believe someone said Toney would ko Cro Cop. tsk tsk
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I know, gimme a break, I hate Tito, and I reckon even he would take him down and ground and pound his ass in the first minute.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I hope...
They signed him to make him look like a goof. I hope they give him hard tests and don’t feed him jobbers.
my dad listens to flash in the pan
…gotta admit some of their jams are kinda catchy. Lol
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think Dana is trying to prove a point with this
He will probably face a good wrestler and get man handled. Then Dana will cut him and say..told ya so…
"This is a non-title fight Joe, so its scheduled for three five minute rounds" -Mike Goldberg (You mean Terry Etim and Shannon Gugerty arnt fighting for a title?)
Even if he was gonna do such a retarded freakshow
why Toney? The man is washed up beyond belief and was never a draw. The sad part is he’s gonna make more than two or three entire undercards combined.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
well i personally think the guy is annoying
i will have pleasure seeming him get smashed
"This is a non-title fight Joe, so its scheduled for three five minute rounds" -Mike Goldberg (You mean Terry Etim and Shannon Gugerty arnt fighting for a title?)
Why not have one of the best OLDER boxers in the world
If you think about it many of boxings fans may actually watch MMA and like it, and maybe the anti MMA guys may finally respect MMA? Yes I know he isn’t the best anymore but he can still beat 95% of the boxers in the world and world class skills just not in the elite top 5% anymore.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I love this news
Toney is charismatic and was a great boxer in his prime. I say give him a chance to prove himself, I’m much happier seeing a multiweight boxing champion getting into MMA than a former baseball or NFL player. This signing could be huge for MMA and I’m looking forward to seeing what James can do in the sport. As long as he’s not fed a talentless nobody like Greg Nagy or fastracked into the title picture then I applaud this move.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
by David W-S on Mar 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i like it to Davis!
but dont get it twisted David….this is just as bad as SF getting Conseco! UFC doesnt need TOny…im just curious to see it like a train wreck! SF could really use ratings boost like Canseco/walker.
If they match him up against a wrestler, I will be pissed…but I am down to see him fight guys like:
CRO COP vs. Tony would be awesome!
Yvel
Barry
JDS
Kongo
couture!
Kimbo
I would love to see TOny vs. THe grim in SF!
Let Tony develope a little Td defense, and he could get a few KO’s in the UFC depending on who they match him up against!
i like Toney's personality as well
I’m guaranteeing I get a few good laughs from this guy, and I’m totally okay with him KO’ing a few B or C level fighters on the opening fight of the televised cards.
Hopefully I get my wish.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't even consider walker-canseco to be a real fight
It’s no more a professional fight than celebrity boxing. At least Toney is coming in with a legitimate record and skills, I’d much rather watch him fight than 2 non-fighters.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
by David W-S on Mar 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope he is.....
He better not give Toney the “Bisping” treatment and simply give him winnable fights, ie , guys that WILL NOT sub him or do not have good ground skills.
I will be extremely dissapointed if he puts him up against the likes of “strikers” only, like Kimbo and Liddell, etc, etc
I hope he puts him in there with Frank Mir…..and as much as I hate Mir, this is a WIN, WIN fight. Either Mir does a solid for the sport and subs him in the first round…or even better yet would be watching Mir get KTFO in the first round. WIN, WIN!!!!!!
it says multi fight contract
So even if he ‘cuts him after one fight, Toney still gets paid, leaves with money for multiple fights, and can still run his mouth saying ’it was 1 fight, I’m still learning and need more time’.
Not wise.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm pumped for this I always wanted to see a good boxer in MMA
Maybe the rest of the world especially the boxing world will show much more respect to MMA. The worst thing that could happen is he wins every fight with ease and MMA loses more respect. But I’m pretty sure that won’t happen.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I honestly don't think that that's the way "Multi Fight Contracts" work in the UFC.
Pretty sure he’s good as long as he keeps winning. But the UFC can still cut him if he looses and not give him anything for the remaining fights.
by Canucklehead. on Mar 3, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
then it should be called a 1 fight + option
I don’t see why call it a ‘multi fight contract’ when really he only is guaranteed anything if he keeps winning. Just doesn’t sound right to me. But hey, that’s just me.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just me*
..well and football. If you sign a guy to replace an injured player or just to see what’s up, and you say a 3 game contract, he has to be paid, whether he only takes the field once. That’s why they use 1 game + +. Its happened to my team before unfortunately when our all star receiver signs and then is injured but still paid due to contract. We wised up and started signing him on a 3 game basis.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see UFC contracts as being similar to NFL contracts, in that they aren't guaranteed.
That said, should he win his fights, he’ll keep making that UFC chedda’
On a side note, I can’t friggin’ believe that the Oilers couldn’t unload Ethan Moreau. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU…………
by Canucklehead. on Mar 3, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
He only gets paid for the fights he appears in. It just means he owes the UFC multi fights now, the UFC doesn't even have to book him for any fights if they don't want to.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
jay, in seriousness
so he owes them multi fights meaning he can only fight for ufc if he wants to fight mma? and does that include boxing o just mma? if he isn’t able to compete anywhere he is essentially held hostage, no? there must be something in the contract that says he is guaranteed some sort of action no?
worbanizer
No, not really. The UFC basically owns him now. He can't box or compete in anything the UFC deems dangerous.
And I don’t think the UFC has to give him his fights in any sort of time frame. Zuffa really knows how to draw up a contract.
I said something to one of your posts below, don’t take it the wrong way. I don’t mean ‘normal’ people like you aren’t normal, I just mean people who don’t hate Dana.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
theres ppl that don't hate dana besides you and puck?
i dont take anything you say too seriously. its just debating. i have the most opposite opinion then you of all the posters on here so its gonna happen lots. may as well be ‘normal’ about it.
worbanizer
Your a Dana supporter like it or not
Tour just too naive to realize this yet anyway, but me and jay will help you out as much as possible…C’mon jay he’s from the same little city I’m from I think he’s capable?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
a freak show?
at least james toney is a fighter….unlike SF who got hershal walker & jose canfakeco.
by titonash23 on Mar 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A fighter who thinks our sport is a joke
I hope he limps or gets carried away feeling very differently.
And at least Walker has a Martial Arts background.
Toney sucks dude. He is worse that a Walker and almost as bad as a Canseco signing.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
toney sucks?
compared 2 who h.walker….if hershel & toney fought hershel would get killed.
by titonash23 on Mar 3, 2010 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
Toney sucks in general. They dont even want to pay him in boxing anymore. Why do you think he wants to be an attention whore and jump to MMA. He’s a fucking washed-up burnout POS.
Besides, Walker gives his money to charity. He probably didnt burn through all of his like TOney probably has.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Toney isn't a top draw anymore he can still beat 95% of the boxers out there
And guess what if he loses even better a top level boxer that loses in a MMA fight!!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Because he's not the best he's washed up?
He could beat 95% of the boxers out there in his division but boxing unless your on the top pays shit. Regardless he is a great boxer and a much better pick up than hershal walker.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Regardless he is a great boxer and a much better pick up than hershal walker.
^ This has yet to be seen.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Who has Walker beat?
Nobody thats who, Toney will be fighting someone with a background at least, even Kimbo is ten times better than Walkers last opponent and thats the truth.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yeah, he is washed up
When was the last boxing PPV Toney was on and what type of numbers did it pull?
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
your right..
but as washed up as he is their is no way and i mean no way!!!!!! n hell he would lose 2 hershel walker.
by titonash23 on Mar 4, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mexi,
This is the first time in a long time that I have to disagree with you. Boxing is very much a martial art.
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 3, 2010 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my bad
I think I fucked up on the context of your post
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Theeeeen
oh shit, dont want to start that again. LOL!!!
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
God sakes
Walker did TKD, Its more the partial art than a martial art…
Toney is a better draw and makes more sense but not by much more than walker… Canseco sucks a$$… get him the heck out of MMA.
His art is much more proven than Walkers as he was once the best in the business
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He didn't even use any of his art in his first fight.
He laid on that bum. I thought TKD was about flashy kicks and shit? That was a LnP clinic if I ever saw one.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
If he had come out and beaten the ass off that can I would be excited to see him again.
But I don’t want to watch him lay on people just because he is freakishly strong. I want to see him take a risk and try to knock his next can out.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
A fight is a fight I just want to see great battles
I wouldn’t watch walker by himself fight but on a MMA card anyday. I love fights and I respect and understand most of what Dana does dw. We just look at the picture and see it differently.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If we all see the same way we would be the same.
I hold no grudges by the way either Worby and if I’m proven wrong I will admit it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Your right jay, "I thought TKD was about flashy kicks and shit?"......
I sure as hell would kick Walkers ass in a TKD match….lol 6th dan or not, he was shocking in TKD terms, as flat footed as they come he was. A physical specimen and a beast for his age he is without question, but a good TKD practitioner I think not, well he sure as hell didn’t look like it to me anyway.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Seems like
Dana got tired of all the attention Strikeforce was getting this week & wanted to get a little himself.
What a hypocrite. Change your name to Shaw, Dana.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
not aimed at Mexi
Dana is a HUGE hypocrite. I can’t believe it takes stuff like this for ppl to see this. And worse yet, that ppl still defend these choices. I don’t hate this signing or chance to see him fight. Go for it. I’d defend SF if they did it.
But guess what? SF never once said they’re opposed to signings like this. Dana is more than often VERY vocal about not signings Kimbo’s, Walkers, Toney’s, Sinosics of fighting.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m usually one to defend the UFC…but this one baffles me. This is one of the worst roster moves I’ve seen in recent memory.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
c’mon give the guy a chance every1 said the same bout brock when he came 2 the ufc & look what happened he became champ.
by titonash23 on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fianlly
I jsut want to see this mofo get tooled by a top dog. I would love nothing more than to see him choked out or Kod by a head kick, but i would love to see him him KOd by a punch! Just for the irony of it.
Yvel, JDS, or Gonzaga wil lbe a good test and will get whooped by either.
Lesnar, Velasquez, Nog, Carwin, Mir…forget about it, this fool wouldnt last 2 minutes.
that would be perfect
I would love to see the head kick one last time
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Kimbo and Toney are on a collision course.
I wonder who they’ll give him first?
Oh I know! Anthony Perosh
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions
kimbo vs toney will never happen
Toney would absolutely destroy him. And then Dana is out of his 2nd favorite fighter he has.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wonder what they are paying this douche
they need to give him a warmup fight to start. They wont feeed him to a big name yet.
all the peopel that are upset at the signing, dont worry, it wont last. Once Toney gets tooled in his first match, once he gets his below average check as compared to boxing, he wil leither get cut or bolt.
Who knows what Danas motive for signing him are, but i think IMHO thats its to shut him up, get him off of his back and to prove a point about MMA vs Boxing.
give him nothing but wrestlers please
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
whatever they do, I HOPE they DO NOT give him Kimbo. He will destroy Kimbo. Put him in agasitn a top dog to cut his MMA career short.
they wont give him kimbo until kimbo has lost a couple
maybe kimbos last fight under contract, but not yet..
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
This is way more legit than Kimbo, Walker, or 'Can'seco...
Not to knock those guys (I actually like Kimbo). Dude is a world champ in boxing. ESPN will eat this shit up just like they did Walker. And when he loses it will legitimize the UFC for the crowd that thinks “a boxer would knock that MMA dudes head off” (think Mayweather).
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions
i like ding sing sing
Cause it was fresh and I didn’t quite understand it.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in all fairness
This guy was a world class combatant, not an ex football or baseball player
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
No idea how anyone can compare a former world champion boxer to guys who have no professional combat sport experience getting into MMA.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
by David W-S on Mar 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Walker had 15 years of martial arts training
And competed in TKD tournaments. How does that not count as combat sport experience? Also, Walker trains with one of the best camps around, and obviously takes this very seriously. He’s a great athlete. Toney has let himself go, and looks like shit. That being said, he’ll beat the brakes off Kimbo.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
and attitudes
It is fair to use them when walker is extremely respectful of Mma and is willing to leave it up to his camp if he fights again, due to not wanting to embarrass himself or them. Toney on the other hand is vocal about Mma not being legit and him being able to walk through it.
Walker clearly takes the sport very serious and is very humble/respectful and openly admits he is not daft enough t say he’s “Comind for the belt!!!”
+ he donates his purse to charity. This stuff does count for something.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BQ. + he donates his purse to charity. This stuff does count for something.
ONLY IN HEAVEN (AND FOR TAXES)
it counts in my eyes as well
and if you can only dismiss my charity point than i did well proving the oth many points i had.
its rare to find a genuine good hearted and intelligent athlete like him in the sports world
worbanizer
Wow, big news...I'm just leaving work now...
I bet this will hit 100 posts by the time i get home.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I Keep Checking My Calendar After Reading This Story...
…thinking it HAS to be April 1st today.
lol
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
its funny
how every1 was willing 2 give h.walker a chance but not toney.
by titonash23 on Mar 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's funny how you bashed SF for signing Walker, but are defending the UFC for this
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
+1 dice
And that’s why I’m not upset about this. Only that Dana is vocal about not signing fighters like this, while SF hasn’t ever said anything of the sort. And they can need signings like theirs. Does ufc?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We all now anything another company does is going to get bashed by Dana thats what he does
He brings attention back to the UFC, funny thing is your hypocritical bashing of Dana only brings more attention to Dana and the UFC. So in a way your helping the man by hating on the man. Ever hear of Don King one thing he did that was great he understood controversy gained attention as well as hate. SF just announced two great cards and guess what Dana is a smart man like it or not and made a bigger story that you yahoo’s are more worried about than the actual fights. I could care less if Walker fights or not or what Dana thinks about it I always liked the idea of famous peaple that were good at MMA being able to fight and help grow the sport to a larger audience. For me a bigger audience adds more to the actual fight as more peaple care. Yes Dana sounds like a hypocrite, yes Dana is two faced, yes he is an asshole yes..I could go on and on but C’mon grab a brain and see what he’s doing ….Promoting the UFC… how about those SF events coming up?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
okay so how is it that the bashing of walker by 100's of you
and the bashing of Jose doesn’t create publicity for SF? can’t have it both ways unless you’re dana and puck.
worbanizer
He said he doesn't care about Canseco and Walker. He wasn't one of the bashers yesterday was he?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Worby LOL talks
Those guys draw attention, your learning now dw wow!! I didn’t think it was possible. Your right SF does it as well, without Walker when he fought that card would of had a bad draw but because of Walker it was good. I could care less if it was Daniel Worby vs Hershal Walker or Jose Cansenco either way Hershal wins another easy fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
first off i'd kill walker and jose :S
secondly its cold in my basement and my hands are cold and im getting sloppy on the spelling etc, and lazy so you 2 may win this one by default. bu just like Jose Canseco, i never give up.
worbanizer
LOL Walker has 15+ years of training, the only training you have close to that is
7 years of schooner drinking
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
effin schooners
i wish i could put them down but hey no drugs ever in my whole life or smokes. never even tried any of either once. weed bout 8x and thats it so im allowed. beers beers beers.
worbanizer
When I was sixteen BP east just opened up and they gave away a engraved schooner mug after you had 50 schooners
I had the 3rd one given out.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
And they were the Brewster size ones at the time LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
uhhhhhh ok?
hmm…
My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim
Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
Only to keep Kimbo bandwagon rolling
If Kimbo loses against Meathead, they will give him Toney no question about it
He's an idiot, a braggart, and most likely screwed...
But he’s fucking dangerous.
Gonna be interesting to see how he does.
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
what rumor? yours?
Rumor squashed.
He’ll fight before waiting for result of kimbo/Mitrione plus 2 months training after that outcome.
And Dana doesn’t want kimbo to lose. Toney is a deathwish for him.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no way he gets kimbo 1st
dana will make bank off both of these guys until they lose so why put them in a situation where only one can win?
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
This is the type of shit that SF does…ufc really doesn’t need this freakshow type draw
by irishlilpete on Mar 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Too funny lol
If this is true tubby Toney better work on his TDD. I can’t see many guys wanting to stand with him
JASONFAHQ is a troll
its a money making move
He’ll get two fights. One against Kimbo and one against who knows. Then he’ll fade back into obscurity. Fans will never be pleased 100% of the time. Why not make some money off the constant backlash. I don’t hate the move. Its not a great move for the sport, but its a good move for the company’s pocketbook. The anger will subside as soon as he’s out.
I say give him Frank Mir
It would be a WIN, WIN.
1.) Mir subs him quickly in the first round. It does a soid for the sport
2.) Mir get KTFO and gets embarrassed. WIN, WIN!!!
Either way is fine with me
Or Hershal Walker LOL
James Toney is still a great Boxer
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
we all know what htis is
a kimbo vs toney fight to sell ass loads of tickets
the UFC doesn't need help selling tickets
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 3, 2010 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
more ppv's = more $$
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
tickets no but ppv buys and ratings yes.
i just hope dana embarreses him with some real competition.
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
He would destroy kimbo in the stand up anyway
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Pro boxer against street fighter
Going toe to toe standing with Toney would be dangerous his boxing is much better than any MMA fighter, the question will be can he keep it standing?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Toney would murder Kimbo easily...just look at what Petruzelli did.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Toney would get to him before Kimbo could take him down.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Fuck who knows what Toney thinks he's fighting at?
He looks like a HW but back in the day he was a WW i think. Maybe loose the keg and fight at LHW?
JASONFAHQ is a troll
I reckon he would gas out fairly quickly....
I know he is used to going probably 30-40 mins in a boxing match, and I know that requires good cardio also but it is totally different to wrasssling, grappling and obviously the kicks that are required in MMA. Also the 5 mins he wouldn’t be used to. I reckon he would be shocking the more i think about it.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
DAna white is a str8 up hoe!!!
James Toney vs kimbo wud be sickness! The winner shud definately be next in line for a title shot! It’s not like these guys R getting any younger.
by d*locc on Mar 3, 2010 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I Dont Agree With The Signing
But my bright spot is damn well at least we can see what he is made of.
lol perfect example riiight here!
I msg’d 3 of my friends via text to tell them this news. 1 knows boxing and is starting to love Mma. He’s watched about the last 15. He knows the big names and some the lil names, but I have to remind him what they’ve accomplished etc, his exact reply copy and pasted was :
thought tha ufc wasnt a circus act?? mmmm lemme guess… his first fight is against kimbo? fuhkin dana white!
Priceless. Lol
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 3, 2010 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he'll get kimbo but not in his first fight
dana wants to ride the kimbo gravey train a little longer and toney would have a good shot at killing that golden goose…
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
I am a little shocked at the reaction. This is not a freakshow. James Toney was arguably the best pound for pound boxer in the world.
Boxing is one of the arts in mixed martial arts. Hell, Couture is applauded for helping to create “dirty boxing”, but this guy is a freak show? Yes, he is old, but he is the best boxer in MMA, hands down. NO ONE is even close. If they were they would be making millions boxing, like Toney did, because top boxers make more money. Who cares if he still has any money. Who cares if he is fat. Who cares if he is old. MMA is full of broke guys (too many to name), fat guys (Nelson, BJ at times) and old guys (Couture and Coleman).
The appeal of this, for me, is to equate boxing to mma. Can an exceptional boxer be successful in mma? Will that boxer adapt to mma by learning how to check leg kicks, stuff takedowns, and learn submission defense? I know, if given an opening, he will KTFO anyone in whatever division he fights at. I actually want to see DW give him another “striker” for his first fight. It would make the most business sense.
Toney was a great champ, but at no point was he EVER the top pound for pound boxer in the world
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Going into the Roy Jones Jr. fight, they were #1 and #2. Some boxing analysts had Toney as the favorite for that fight due to the size difference and better prior opponents for Toney. Both were undefeated at the time.
And who was ranked #1 P4P?
RJJ, I knew RJJ was ahead of him.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Depending on who you talked to...
That is why I said arguably. RJJ ended up squashing the argument pretty good, but the argument was there, however fleeting.
The point is that he is the best boxer, hands down, to attempt mma. I wanna see how he does. What about a guy like Kelly Pavlik? High school wrestler (not great, but not bad either) who could cut to 155 at 6’0"? He would be dangerous and is in his prime.
Great point
Best boxer ever to be in a MMA event!! Good job UFC
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Exactly
Most boxers getting into MMA are journeymen or amateurs, this is the first time that an international star and a multi weight world champion has signed with a top promotion. I think that it will be great to see Toney in the UFC, he may be terrible or he could KO a bunch of guys either way I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do. It’s better than the celebrity MMA match offered by SF or watching a streetfighter get hyped up for no reason.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I like a fight no matter what
But if you have Toney vs Kimbo the same night as Cansenco vs. Walker I’m watching a proven artist in Toney over two celeberties that have beat nobody or nobody. Alexander was three times better than Walkers opponent. But again this is were peaple get caught in the win loss hype even though beating whoever Walker beat proves nothing as a fighter in MMA, Kimbo did much better in my books as a MMA fighter.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
STUPID!!!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
RETARDED
He will take one leg kick and his fat ass will crumble to the ground.
(72-6-3, 44 KOs), james toney is the jeremy horn of boxing
The truth is that he should be fighting at lhw or even mw. the truth is that he can’t compete in boxing anymore and he is to fucking lazy to get in shape. if he doesn’t fight at 205 or below i don’t care.
he is fat and lazy and far from a top boxer in his current condition. this is the definition of a freakshow dana.
by Conan the Barbarian on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Wrong.
Jeremy Horn was a journeyman who never was A level… never won a major title. Toney was a World Champ and a Highly repected elite Boxer in hsi prime. Horn just took alot of fights and thats repectable but in no way is he similar to Toney. And Toney ended alot of fights. 44 KO’s. Jeremy didnt regularly finish opponents.
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
i meant that with that many fights he is a shot fighter
he can no longer compete i boxing and he is to lazy to get in shape or train at all for mma. if one of the high points of your training is stretching then you are fucked. toney is a bum now. he is trying to make a buck anywhere he can and the freakshow business is good.
by Conan the Barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well since you can just shit talk your way into the UFC,
Fock You Dana White you sorry POS! With your big mouth that only stops spewing dumb shit when it’s full with of pinkberry diarrhea or whatever the fuck it is! UFC sucks major balls and SF will make you it’s bitch in less then a year so you better get some knee pads for your new job now GIVE ME A FOCKING JOB! God this is the stupidest signing ever!!!
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
tweet tweet
joerogandotnet
I hope I’m the first guy they call to fight tony ! :) /via @Randy_Couture I’m with Captain America!! @danawhite set it up!!
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
Rogan is always with Captain America
Rogan would do pretty much anything Randy asked… anything.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Just watched a little Promo for TUF11, introduced all the fighters and their records...
Not one ‘Black’ dude on it, totally weird imo. A couple of mixed race but no black man, WTF is that about, not trying to start anything, or don’t think I am starting another race debate or any shit like that but I just find it weird. Maybe I’m even wording this wrong, but I just thought it was a little weird. Looks like we will have a good few ’characters ’ in the TUF house and of course the typical handful of D-bags for entertainment purposes, but it got me a little excited, looking forward to it now.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
i still haven't watched the trailer
tbh I don’t want to watch it, but I know I will anyway.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
I downloaded it off Best Mixed Martial Arts Torrents, prob a good sight for you also, seeing as your from UK, you won't miss anything....
http://www.bestmmatorrents.com/index.php
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Actually scrap that, it is this one...
http://www.bestmmatorrents.com/
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
cool
looks a good site, first link asked me to sign up but said I had to do 1 of 3 surveys then it asked me for phone number email etc… didn’t bother signing up.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
It takes two mins, the name and shit means nothing, only e-mail you the login in code...
Simple and it is grand to pick up every event, K1, Dream, Inside MMA, UFC, Strikeforce etc, you never to miss an event, A few hours after live showing, download the event and bobs your uncle.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
ha you speak truth
wouldnt be surprised in his next fight we see him in his corner massaging him between rounds with essential oils
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
This is a joke right?
I thought the UFC was the NFL/NHL of MMA??? So if that is correct then why would Dana embarrass the sport like this and sign a fat old one dimensional non MMA guy. Seems like abit of a side show to me. I wont watch, close to losing a life long fan!!!!!!!!
You will watch, everyone will.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I love all the mouthpieces on here!
Toney has silly ko power if the UFC gives him the marcus davis model of opponents he can rack up some wins. I believe the main reason he was signed is to end Kimbo after he loses to meathead. As far as bashing toney cause of his conditioning who cares, the man was a champ and made his living with his hands. All you fucking keyboard champs need to realize that shit , most of you guys havent been into a fight since your cousin knocked you out for stealing his moonshine when you were 12 lmao. You wanna hate a fighter cause your a purist and hes bad for mma. Thats stupid thinking, respect any man thats willing to get into a ring, cage and fight. I honestly dont understand how you cant respect a man who feeds his family by using his fists. You dont have to like him em, but should respect what they do
RIP - SHO'NUFF SHOGUN OF HARLEM "I got something real for yo in these hands right here" FN CLASSIC
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions
You wanna hate a fighter cause your a purist
I completely agree with you. I find it funny that the purpose of mma, circa UFC #1, was to bring combat sport veterans in from every discipline of combat sports, including boxing to see what form was better. We have learned that a combination of all forms is the key to success, but being elite at any one discipline is an advantage going into every fight. It depends upon how you utilize your advantages that determines the winners in this sport.
The so-called purists of this sport that do not respect all forms of combat arts are nothing more than fanboys and nuthuggers who have nothing better to do than post garbage on this site, taliking about the “freakshow” of a 4 weight-class WORLD CHAMPION boxer fighting in mma. If Toney wants to fight, he is going to fight. I would rather see it in the UFC than in another promotion.
Where were all you fuckers at when Demian Maia, a WORLD CHAMPION BBJ practitioner, came to the UFC? Why did he not get derided because he is ONLY a BJJ guy with no stand-up or wrestling? Oh yeah, only a few people ever heard of him. Fucking Hypocrites.
Well, firstly, Boxing is not a martial art. Kickboxing is. Boxing isn’t. You can’t really compare Toney to Maia. Maia is a young world class bjj practitioner. Toney is an over the hill boxer who was a World Champion. Its tough to teach an old dog new tricks. Maia on the other hand has his whole life ahead of him to improve his standup / wrestling etc. Kinda like all the one dimensional wrestlers who come into MMA but improve over time. Toney on the other hand isn’t dedicated enough, nor does he care enough to become a true martial artist. He’s here for a few big paydays since his boxing money must have dried up by now.
wanderlei ::: shogun ::: bj penn ::: fedor ::: mir
by cauliflower_ears on Mar 5, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
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