Dana White: They're going to need the Hulk to referee Lesnar vs Carwin
by Jesse Holland on Mar 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT
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"I think a lot of people are happy that Lesnar's back and this is a real heavyweight fight with two real heavyweights that deserve to be there. I think it's going to be big. I was debating whether I was going to bring [Lesnar into the cage at UFC 111.] I wanted to see what Shane's disposition was after the fight. [If] those two started going at it, there wasn't enough people in there to break that thing up. They're going to have to have like the F-ing Hulk referee that fight. I don't even think Miragliotta's big enough. We might need two refs."
UFC President Dana White anticipates a colossal clash of heavyweights at UFC 116 in Las Vegas on July 3 when current Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar once again tries to unify the division title when he faces UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion Shane Carwin. Anyone hoping for a last-minute phone call from the Governor that somehow returns "Big" John McCarthy to the Octagon this summer? Or does the current crop of officials have what it takes to keep this one under control?
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I got 3 words for ya!!!
BIG JOHN MCCARTHY!!!!
my thoughts exactly
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anybody but Dan Miragliotta. He is terrible.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Mar 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
worst ref ever to have worked with the UFC
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Truth.
Quick stand ups, separations, and late stoppages=horrible job.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
BIG ZINO WILL DO IT 4 FREE !!!
CALL ME UP DW/ZUFFA
Enter the Zino era of referage.
I will be holding interviews for my judging panel on Mania. I have three spots open
No Mazz No Problem - Awesome Job by Herb Dean and Josh Rosenthal ref'ing UFC on Versus. That is the benchmak to move forward on. Standing O.
by Bigger Zino on Mar 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You can get a blind guy, a mongoloid and a retard to judge this fight. They won’t have any say in the outcome, which is Brock by TKO.
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***ANNOUNCEMENT***
Winner of Kos/Semtex will coach TUF opposite of GSP!
sweet, john g u should post for mania
u always have real announcements faster than mania does
What qualifies either of them to coach, especially Semtex?
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Stop being so logical, PW.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I could see Kos being a good coach with his background in wrestling...
and he has a great team to bring in with him. Symtex on the other hand I agree, I dont see him much the coaching type. I also am really not wanting Daley to win that fight. GSP vs. Daley will be and go down exactly as Hardy and GSP. AT least Kos has a chance on the ground. He ill get run through again, but would at least have a chance of getting back to his feet…
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
NOOO
John McCarthy is so overrated, he’s jumped in on several fights too early and I want to see Brock get hammered with a few extra bombs so Miragliotta would be my choice ;-)
No seriously, Herb Dean
by kibbled_bits on Mar 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOO
No one’s perfect! Any mistakes he has are FAR FEWER than any other ref.
I personally pull to have Big John the ONLY ref for any future title fight!
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Bigbadbunbun got his nickname from his girlfriend Jay.
Big John is leaps and bounds a better referee than Herb Dean.
Dana: "Maybe we do him and Koscheck for the #1 spot"
Fitch: "Umm, no"
Dana: "He doesn't want the title shot that badly"
Fitch: "If that fight were to happen, it would happen in our gym with the doors closed"
Dana: "That would make alot of money"
BIG JOHN!!!!
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
i dont remember them "going at it" after the fight
they seemed to both be very respectful of one another, maybe i missed something though. they definatly need to bring big john back though. hes the best in the business!
I think there should be an “if” in there. “If Those two start going at it, there wasn’t enough people in there to break that thing up.”
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i think
He meant if they started going at it there wouldn’t be enough people to break it up.
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i see
they added an [if] in there after i made that post, thanks for clearing that up though. i do think if mir had won (of which he had no chance) lesnar and him might have gone at it just because they hate eachother.
side note: anyone else see the nate diaz interview with him hating on kurt pellegrino? ( i believe it was on mania) i like nate, but he seems to have problems with a ton of fighters out there
i vote
bob sapp but tbf brock or carwin would throw a punch and he’d probably drop to the floor into the foetal position
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 29, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
i know this doesn't pertain to this particular thread
But was it just or was Carwin a little pudgier than normal.
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, he looked like he had a little bit of a love handle going on.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
^*me
I know it had no factor in the fight but he didn’t seem to be as in shape as he has in the past
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought he looked really short too. He's not as big as I remembered him.
He was definitely softer than he used to be.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Ya he shrunk LOL
How could he be shorter ? If you were wondering why Brock looked taller it’s cause he had shoes on
I mean fighting Mir. Not the three second interview with Brock.
They said Shane was like 6’5. He looked 6’1.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
this si the first time I’ve ever seen them list Shane at 6’5. in the past he’s been listed at both 6’2 and 6’3, but yes he’s much colser to 6’1. i don’t know why they felt the need to exaggerate his height so much
I think
it might be to hype him up a little more. Or, a simple mistake. He’s the same height a Mir or an inch shorter
A little secret
A little secret for you guys. A lot of fighters lie about their height or it gets misreported on purpose. I know a few of the fighters that everyone knows, and most of them purposely mislead about their height. Its quite common and a bit of a minor psychological ploy because the only thing that is 100% required to be accurate is their weight, nothing else.
I think he’s maybe just changed his strength and conditioning training! If you look at Brock’s body type, he ‘looks’ pudgier than a couple of years ago, and maybe Carwin’s done the same. Perhaps using weight training thats more relevant to MMA, not focussing on definition or whatever.
"Big guys, small gloves...somebody's gonna fall..." (Gabriel Gonzaga)
I agree johnjack.
“They’re” is right! lol just busting your balls.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
How does Miragliotta even have a job still ?
That was brutal and Herb Dean fucked up last card, it’s not that UFC’s refs are big enough i don’t think any of them are qualified to be doing big fights
did you really just say UFC ref's?
they work for the commission
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
there are alot of people who don't understand that
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well you know what i meant
The ones that are commissioned, like it makes a difference to my point.
And I agree, Mirg sucks.
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Buuut...
Didn’t Dana fall out with Big John – hence his not refereeing for the UFC any more, which would indicate they do have a say in it? I don’t know the ins and outs to be fair, just hearsay.
It was Dana and the NSAC for remarks he made when leaving the athletic commission. Athletic commissions and the companies that are governed by them have the right to refuse a ref for whatever reason they feel worthy. For instance they can’t say I want this particular guy reffing this fight but they can say I don’t want this particular guy reffing this fight. Now if it is a case as in Lesnar vs. Carwin where you have two huge guys I am sure you can request a more experienced larger ref in case one guy decides he doesn’t want to stop beating the piss out of the other. It shows how much more is the ref is involved in MMA , as in boxing the best ref ever was Mills Lane , he was the boss in that ring and he weighed 145lbs. soaking wet.
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
agreed
that’s just hype. Any ref is fine, that is if he’s fast enough to interfere. So you don’t need the biggest ref, you need the one with experience and good judgement. That’s all.
REMEMBER ME. i will be in the ufc one day. Mark my words
by PrettyBoyy91 on Feb 18, 2010 2:06 PM PST
by FightDeluxe on Mar 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
These guys are so damn big
I feel bad for anyone in the HW division who isnt close to 265. How the hell does anyone around 225 expect to compete against these beasts??
Cain will get tooled by either one of those guys.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
That's why the UFC needs a 235 lb weight class.
A 50-80 lb weight advantage over your opponent is possible in the HW division and it’s senseless.
Exactly
I’ve been saying this for a while. It’s time to split the division.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I AGREE! GET BIG JOHN BACK!
He deserves to be there and he’s a great ref, can’t be said for at least half of who’s in there now!
UFC 111 was one of the few events where Murgliotta actually did a good job
Usually he fucks up everything (including getting a cup of coffee) but he did a good job saturday night and let the CHAMPIONSHIP fight go on until it was over for sure.
by Lester The Pimp on Mar 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
what a ridiculous opinion, mir wasnt moving at all..
and he let another 4 shots connect…how was that a good job
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Once Mir was flat on his belly the fight should of been stopped
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Why? He hadn't tapped or went to sleep yet.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He turtled and couldn't defend himself
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So if someone takes another guys back and is working for hooks, they should stop the fight?
It’s the same position. Also HH was in that position 40 times against Brock, they didn’t stop that fight.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Agree with Jay
He could defend himself and tried to, he even went for an arm when they were on the ground. I wouldn’t have complained if it was stopped earlier but we all need to remember that if you were the ref and watching in real time you don’t get to go over the slow-mo replays over and over and make your opinion, you have to make a live call that second based on the fast action you are seeing.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Bigbadbunbun got his nickname from his girlfriend Jay.
Is that Mir in the background going green?
That’s Frank’s only chance of beating these two monsters.
But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers
UNRELATED** but this was too good to pass up.
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worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Daniel, i like you despite your nationalistic handicap
Some people are just retarded
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol i just thought it was hilarious.
Thx for accepting me PSYQO even though it did take me a long time to learn to read and write American.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i am brushing up on my canadian so we can communicate more effectively
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
im personally amazed you can read the threads. good job worbs...
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 29, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it you read Not Always Right?
After a minor genealogical search, I have determined that Cain Velasquez's great-grandfather was a truck.
And Mirko Cro Cop is a direct descendant of a wrecking ball. But I think you already knew that.
by Johnny WF on Mar 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow if thats american thats what i mean lol no clue what ur saying johnny sorry
*write maybe? sorry mang thats a confusing 8 word with the random caps etc.
Mir sucks, FreeNow82 was right!
by daniel worby on Mar 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
why do you post this shitty gif?
To remind us that GSP was on his feet for 3 seconds during this fight?
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
so this proves that GSP has better stand up? Newfie that was fucking moronic
All I see in this vid is Dan walking Georges down and GSP throwing mostly panicked inaccurate shots with little or no effect. This gif means nothing.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Panicked and inaccurate? LOL
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
yes
he snaps at his strikes and takes 2 or 3 steps back every time he lands something.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 30, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Huge GSP fan
but this gif is a bit embarrassing. His submissions were his highlights, not his sparse standup
"this is a real heavyweight fight with two real heavyweights that deserve to be there."
Since when did Brock pay his dues and deserve to be champ? He was placed into the title.
Carwin, JDS, Cain, even Nog and Mir are the ones that deserve to be in title fights. Not someone who has had 4 real fights.
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Striker
There isn’t one fighter those guys beat that Brock wouldn’t. I’m not saying Brock is guaranteed to win against any of the top guys now but to say those guys deserve to be there more is wrong as all their opponents are no better than Brocks.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sad how the ufc burned big nog!
He wins the interim title against Tim Sylvia. Then he asks Randy 2 come back so they cud have a super fight for the title. The ufc strips big nog from the title & has the biggest HW fight in ufc history between Brock & Randy for th belt.
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re right SD, all Brock did was beat the champ (randy Couture) and beat the interim champ (Mir) to unify the title. Why don’t you cry a little harder and louder and see if Dana agrees with you and hands the title over to someone you think is worthy. Whiny little bitch.
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Brock is set to fight and prove to SD that he was clueless the whole time, and he's still whining about fights 2 years ago.
Who cares how he got to this point, if he didn’t deserve it he will lose. But when he wins you will be eating a big bowl of cock soup. Bring a big spoon dickhead.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
D*locc
They never stripped NOG of the belt him and Mir fought for the interm belt, and when Randy came back he had the real belt. If NOG would of beat Mir we would of seen NOG vs Brock.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yur a fucking idiot pdub!
It shud of been Randy vs big nog for the undisputed title! Funny how all U Brock nut suckers actually think he earned the belt & is true HW champ of th world !
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PW is not an idiot. He is just a blind Brock fan. Big difference.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Get over the Nog shit. He sucks. Who cares if he would have lost the interim belt to Randy or Mir.
Nog wouldn’t be anywhere near a title right now.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Brock destroyed Randy, then destroyed the guy who destroyed Nog. What am I missing here? If Nog hadn’t been beaten all over the cage by Frank f’ing Mir then he would have had the shot at Brock.
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ur not missing anything P-Dub.
For some reason they think you are. It was 100% like you said and Brock deserves to be where he is.
Lesnar > [Carwin] ---> Lesnar > [Velasquez] ---> Lesnar > [JDS]
Overeem will NOT show up on May 15th! Mark my words. Sig stays til then.
Psst P-Dub..
You’re dealing with Fedor fans. You are being reasonable and giving actual examples…. they aren’t into that. If you could claim Brock was the best years ago and now fights has-beens and never-weres…. they would totally get you!
And for the people about to burn me, I hate Brock and Fedor!
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Bigbadbunbun got his nickname from his girlfriend Jay.
Fact is SD knows brock would destroy any opponent jay that..
JDS, Cain or Carwin have faced, these guys are all at the top now. You take JDS/Carwin/Brock & Cain any wich way you will have great fights and all these guys should beat anybody else in the UFC the clsoest competition would be Mir and NOG. Outside the UFC of coarse there is Fedor and I think Rogers is a possiblity I jsut don’t know if he could handle a bigger wrestler in MMA but he does have KO power.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I can't hear U PussyDub with brocks cock so far down yur throat!
Brock hasn’t fought anybody U stupid bitch! Yur boyfreind not getting protected 2 much longer bitch! Faggot mother fucker ! Do U have a cock tatted on on yur chest 2 pussydub o it’s tatted on yur ass douche bag!
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock Hasn't fought anyone? What the F?
He beat a current champ and a former champ in the UFC. I think he earned it. And the winner of Lesnar/Carwin will determine who the best HW in the world is. And until someone beats the winner of that fight they will not best the best either. Especially the HW’s in other orgs.
d*locc take it easy bud
You can’t be naive enough to think Brock couldn’t beat anyone that any of the top guy’s have beat? I’m a huge Brock fan but I understand he could lose to Carwin, I doubt it but Carwin is a dangerous HW with those punches he has, he reminds me of a HW version of Hendo with even more power! But honestly Brock is one of the few that can take Carwin down to the ground and Keep Carwin there neither fighter has faced a big wrestler like themselves.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
What does Nog have to do with any of this locc? Nog sucks and would have been KO'd by all of these dudes.
Nog didn’t get screwed he’s too small and punch drunk to matter any more.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Totally agree Puck.
The HW Division is changing. Over the next couple years most of the HW’s will be cutting to make 265 and the smaller HW’s will have a hard time competing. Maybe a closer break in weight divisions would be an option in the future?
My bad I didn't mean 2 flip out like that.
I like Brock 2 I just didn’t like getting called a whiny lil bitch for backing up my boy big nog!
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's cool d*locc we all have are moments
Striker gets under my skin at times and I have reacted the same. I have a sig bet on Brocks next three fights and Carwin out of any guy right now worries me the most becasue Brock will not be able to out muscle him as easy as Mir and he will also need to stay aware of Carwins dangerous fists. All in all it’s exciting future in the HW division and I know after hearing all this BS about Brock sucks now is driving guys like me and P-Dub crazy. If Brock happens to lose to Carwin it doesn’t mean he sucks man as he I beleive he will get back to the top again if he stays healthy. And at the same time Carwin doesn’t suck either if he loses to Brock and I believe he would climb back up to eventually.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Oh shit!
D’Locc, that was for StrikerDave, not you! I thought that was weird, you never flip out like that!
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Lol it's all gud p-dub. Just 1 of those days bro.
I was wondering WTF SD meant =D
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was weird. Locc you the man. Don't flip out like that.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Ya….these posts are so much better than prettyboys…..nothing like 16 years old having a battle of wits
by Juggernaut11 on Mar 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Yeah, your right a loss to Mir and then a victory over Herring. Yeah, that merits a title shot against a guy who had previously left the division because of the trend of oversized HW. No, not a set up at all. And Mir was completely legit,beating a guy who was in the hos[ital 8 days before the fight. All SARCASM BTW.
Mir has proven he is second tier. 1-2 since he won the title. With his only victory over Kongo….a guy that Heath Herring beat. LOL.
Yeah, you can say Brock won the title under unusaul circumstances to say the least.
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You were on Mir's nuts two months ago. You have no clue who is good until the fights are over.
That’s why your rankings are always shit.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
by jay. on Mar 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy won the title by mopping the floor with a 6’8 265-pound guy. I don’t think he was really worried about the size of the guys he was fighting. He left because he invented some BS about Dana not paying him bonuses he earned (which he had in fact received) and came back when he realized he couldn’t just walk away from the UFC while under contract. But go ahead and make up facts if it helps strengthen your argument.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Agreed SD
You rarely see anyone win one fight and get a title shot.
It’s water under the bridge now. It seems to be common knowledge that the rest of the fighters in the UFC don’t get gifts like that handed to them for nothing.
That rules....
I can’t wait to photo shop in some money bags and cigars, and expensive wines (oops) into that photo.
The caption for this picture should be….
This is how titles are decided now.
www.colossaldouchebag.com
No more unusual then say...
…Randy getting a title shot against Tim Sylvia, or BJ fighting Matt Hughes for the title the second time when they were coming off of a loss. And we’re seeing this again with Brett Rogers set to fight Overeem.
That isn’t why Randy left BTW. He left because of money ‘respect’, but when he came back, Mir/Nog was already set up for the interim title. Hence, Brock getting a shot.
Dumb argument...
BJ was an injury fill in for GSP
Randy was coming back from retirement with 5 titles in his pocket. Not to mention the HW division was depleated then.
When Brock got his title shot, there were PLENTY of worthy opponents, not to mention an INTERIM CHAMP! Keep making excuses for Brock, though. LMFAO.
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At the time Brock fought for the title, who was there that was a more worthy challenger?
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
How about?
How about he interim title holder? How about Werdum? Nice try again. Epic fail on your part.
Please try to explain why you think that Brock deserved a title shot over so much that they decided to have Randy return as Champ and not fight the interim champ first? Saying that I am biased is not an answer to that question. Saying because of money, doesn’t mean that Brock earned it. Saying that he is talented is completely subjective. So I ask again. Why do you think he "earned his title shot? Because I don’ think you really do.
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There were no other viable opponents...
…Mir and Nog were already set to face each other, and Werdum was already set for JDS, and look how that turned out. The HW division was still as depleted as when Couture got his shot, as you’ve already pointed out. But what’s good for one fighter, isn’t good for another fighter, especially if his name’s Brock Lesnar, huh?
We’re all well aware of why Randy and BJ got their shots. But, seeing as how you brought up that Brock didn’t deserve a shot despite a victory over Herring, then the bottom line would be that Randy and BJ didn’t deserve their shots either, and arguably deserved them less, at least going from your logic. The fact you can apply such different standards for fighters simply exposes your bias.
So....
“Mir and Nog were already set to face each other,”"
“Werdum was already set for JDS”
So what was the rush? Huh? Why did they have to get that fight in right then? Randy wasn’t going anywhere. He is still here. Randy should have been required to fight the interim champ upon his return. Then they could have Brock fight for a title. Face it, the UFC jumped Brock up to make a lot of cash and get Brock the most favorable matchup possible for a “title”
“We’re all well aware of why Randy and BJ got their shots.”
So why did he ask?
“the bottom line would be that Randy and BJ didn’t deserve their shots either,”
Retard, BJ Penn had already beaten the champ (hughes) and wasn’t supposed to be in the rematch. When GSP got injured, they didn’t want to cancel the headliner a month before the fight. They stuck him in as a last replacement. Need based match up. Randy, got his shot when there really was NO other contender at HW. Legit anyway. Sorry dude, COMPLETELY different scenarios. Does Brock have 5 titles and is he in the Hall of Fame…No, Randy does/is. Did Brock already beat the champ and was an injury replacement,…no BJ Penn did/was. Was Brock a way to make money and in a great position to beat an undersized, old, and ring rusted Randy? yes.
Do you really not see the difference? Has your fandom so blinded you?
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The scenarios aren't that different at all...
…if you weren’t inexplicably butthurt from Lesnar for some reason, you’d see that. Seriously, did he fuck your mom, or are you still burning from the revelation that ‘wrasslin’ ain’t real?
Not to mention Couture could still beat guys like GG, CC & even Kongo now
I think him and Werdum would be a great fight. I don’t know if Werdum can get down to LHW but I think if he could, he should and would do better as the guys in HW now are to strong for his style. He remembers when CC was a top HW but not Randy? Funny thing is the more Striker talks the more his ignorance shows as you can see below LOL. Pretty much everyone on here sees his biased remarks and comments and lets him know, so watch out your going to be a “stupid pants” LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
why hello Retard I'm Stupid
But honestly we are stupid retards for debating with him LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That is kinda true, unfortunately...
…which is why I’ll probably just let the matter drop. Once upon a time, Lesnar took a dump in his cheerios, and he never got over it. Whatever. As long as Lesnar(or any other fighter for that matter) has good fights and takes on tough guys, that’s all I really care about.
Or maybe...
I just like a good debate on the web. sorry if this is too much for your baby eyes. Maybe you should try something more you speed like Martha Stewart or something more bland.
But keep trying to direct the argument at me instead of at the facts that you still don’t address. Good luck in life. you’ll need it.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
"Couture could still beat guys like GG, CC & even Kongo now"
Could he? Or is that more guesses and a complete lack of fact? Yeah, i thought so.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He could GG and CC I would bet on Kongo is up and down
But no doubt Randy’s intelligence in MMA is better than all three of those guy’s combined. Did you see CC’s last performance against a last minute fill in? He’s already beat GG as GG has beat nobody really besides CC and is overrated in my books and like I said Kongo looks good at times and looks bad at times.
Now debating on the web is one thing striker, insulting others that don’t agree with you is another. Everybody has opinions calling them retarded doesn’t make yours right. Becasue you like NOG, or Fedor doesn’t make you a NOG sucker or Fedorbater either as does a fan of Brocks mean they are a Brocksucker.
I’m not going to be on here much this week so I got my fill today, hopefully down the road we can finally settle if Brock is worthy of being a top five UFC fighter and worthy of Strikers respect. If he wins against Carwin will you finally admit it. When he loses to somone lower than NOG or Mir I’ll admit he isn’t a top five deal? I have been a Carwin fan too but not nearly as much as I’m a Brock fan. This fight will remind me a little bit I was a Wandy fan but also a Hendo fan. I think both Carwin and Brock will beat the other two top guys. Are at least I hope.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
"He could GG and CC"
How do you know? That is called speculation. There is only one way to know for sure. Given Randy did beat GG once but hat was before his layoff. Do you understand what a fact is?
“Everybody has opinions calling them retarded doesn’t make yours right.”
But you and Jay have been calling me names all day. “Shit for brains” ring abell? Is it okay for you but not me? Did I offend you? oh, too bad.
“Becasue you like NOG, or Fedor "
I like Nog but I am indifferent towards Fedor. But I give him the credit he has earned. You see that’s one of he problems YOU have with debating. You think that because someone gives a fighter credit that they have earned that they are a blind fan. because blind fandom is all YOU are capable of. You don’t look at anything analytically, you just like a guy and then convince yourself that he is better than he really is or has shown.
“If he wins against Carwin will you finally admit it.”
I think it’s a great start. I will look at the fight as well. But unlike you, I don’t just give away props. I am a skeptic. I was a skeptic with Fedor even. I kept saying, “Yeah, but he hasn’t beat Crocop yet.” I wasn;t convinced. THEN when he did, he gets the credit he deserves and has earned. Unlike you who somehow gives credit BEFORE it is earned and then, even worse, BELIEVES it. Pathetic.
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That’s actually not speculation, seeing as how Randy already kicked Gonzaga’s ass.
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Do you read?
Me: Given Randy did beat GG once but hat was before his layoff.
You: That’s actually not speculation, seeing as how Randy already kicked Gonzaga’s ass.
Would he beat GG now? You can say yes but it would be speculation. Do you really think Randy has looked the same since the layoff as he did before? Really, are you that much of a blind fanboy of Brock? Are you?
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He loses to mIr, beats Herring then gets title shot ?
Ya that makes total sense
there was nobody else around at the time
Not too long ago the heavy weight division was absolute shit
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So really...
So really Brock is only the champ of sh*t, by what you are saying.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
when he destroys everyone else
Will you give him credit then? No because you hate him. You’re the one bitching about him being champ of an organization that had a flailing hw division. So do they strip him of the belt because of new contenders?
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not out of hate at all
It’s pure facts
where are the facts?
I wasn’t referring to you Merk, Sd is out of pure hate. Every damn comment is pure hate or loath for Brock. The fact is the division was weak at the time, Brock won the title and hasn’t lost it yet. End of story.
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SD only posts out of pure hatred for Brock, that is why you won't see him on any other thread then a Brock thread.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
MY thoughts...
“Will you give him credit then? No because you hate him”
“SD only posts out of pure hatred for Brock,”
I love how you losers think you can speak for me or have the ability to express MY thoughts. You don’t…straight up. I have always said, if Brock cleans out the division then, and only then will I acknowledge he is a superior fighter. I just haven’t bought into the hype on him. I am not a fan so I am not blind to the fact that he won the title under some pretty unusual circumstances. And you guys never argue the facts. You just call me names and say i only post out of hate. HOWEVER, you guys always are on the same boards posting out of blind fandom. Your manlove for him is laugable. Fact: Heath Herring is a very beatable opponent by any HW (except Kongo LOL). Fact: Randy is not the same since he came back from his layoff and Brock hit him in the back of the head. Fact: Mir has bee exposed as a mid level fighter now. You can’t argue those points sp you will direct your anger over it at me. LMFAO.
“Brock won the title and hasn’t lost it yet.”
Because he hasn’t fought it. Face it he only won it from Mir. The Randy title didn’t really count. If he was really the champ then he should have fought the interim champ. Argue that point. Second, argue the fact that the Mi/Nog fight was promoted as for the HW title, not the interim title. The UFC had already moved on. They recreated the Randy title to make money.
“that is why you won’t see him on any other thread then a Brock thread.”
I guess you aren’t on every thread. I post on lots of other threads. The Brock threads seem to give me the most debates. Wrong again Jay, but keep trying to wash over the facts and direct your anger at the holes in your pathetic arguments at me.
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Striker the fact that you think Brock isn't even a top ten shows your ignorance
And when your that ignorant you will be spoken to with ignorance as well. There is no doubt Brock is a top five fighter in todays MMA HW division.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Again?
Really? Are you trying to speak for me again?
“Striker the fact that you think Brock isn’t even a top ten shows your ignorance”
Show me the quote that says this.
I DO think maybe top 10. What on earth could make you think top 5? He has one win against a guy who people consider to be top ten (mir, whom I think is overrated). Jake O’Brein did exactly the same thing to Brock did. LOL. Rand y now, puh-lease, And Mir…well he has split with Mir. So what on EARTH do you use as evidence to say he is in the top 5? Opinion? Manlove? Hmmm. sorry
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Don't you remember your top ten list? I do
Even though Brock beat Mir you had Mir in the top five and Brock wasn’t even on the list.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
SHOW ME
Where is this list? Was it from a long time ago? Was it from before the myriad fights that have happened since. Keep sounding stupid. It only makes my point.
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He did beat the interim champ. That was Mir. Before that he beat the actual champ, which was Randy. Whatever you think of Brock and those of us who are riding the Brock War Wagon, or driving it in my case, Brock fought and beat two guys who had belts. He has not been beaten since obtaining them. Ergo, he is the champion.
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LOL
“He did beat the interim champ. That was Mir.”
Yes, yes, he had some sort of a paper title. mir only had because Nog had staph 8 days prior to their fight. Argue that, try.
Randy’s belt…make me laugh. How come he didn;t fight the interim title upon his return. How come Nog’s bet had dropped the “interim” until the Brock/Randy fight was scheduled.
“He has not been beaten since obtaining them.”
He hasn’t fought since obtaining the belt, moron. Dumbest….argument…ever!
So yes, he is the “champ” on paper. It doesn’t really mean anything. He hasn’t beaten ANYONE good. Randy is way past his prime, Herring sucks, and Mir is overrated (and Brock only has a split with him).
Keep chugging that Co..I mean Brock. You Brock chugger.
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Your whole list was a joke. You can't spot talent to save your life.
Mir was the best in your mind while everyone of us told you he was about to get his teeth kicked in. Face it, you’re clueless.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Come on Striker. How would you rank the top 5 HW's then?
Do you agree that wrestling, although not as exciting as other disciplines, is as impotant as far as mma skills go than the others?
Brock is a monster 265+ HW fighter with the best wrestling ability/control and athleticism in the HW division. He schooled Mir(I’m not a Mir Fan, but respect his ability) and beat Couture( Not in his Prime, I get it). Give him some credit. He’s a heel, but a badass heel regardless. He has the undenied ability to take any HW down almost at will. Who is going to compete with that? Carwin maybe by KO or TKO? Then what? Who has the next best chance?
???
“Do you agree that wrestling, although not as exciting as other disciplines, is as impotant as far as mma skills go than the others”
Of course I do. I used to wrestle. I took 3rd in my state tourney.
" He schooled Mir(I’m not a Mir Fan, but respect his ability)"
Mir is over rated…who has he really beaten lately? Nog, (staph beat Nog), Kongo (I think almost every HW in the UFC can beat Kongo), Brock I don’t think Brock is that great.
Tell me what evidence that you think qualifies him to be top 5, even top 10 really. “He has skill in….” Blah, blah, blah…EVERY HW in the UFC has a great skill of some kind, it needs to be proven in battle to be considered applicable. Brock hasn’t PROVED it yet. EVIDENCE please.
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My top 5
1) Fedor
2) Cain (whooped EVERYONE he has faced including a legend…like nobody ever has before)
3) JDS – Werdum, Struve, Crocop (he stood with CC), Yvel, GG. You cant argue with these names…you cant
4) Carwin – GG, Mir…12-0, 12 KOs all first round. Impossible almost.
5) Nog – No shame in losing to Cain. Still the #2 HW of all time. He will get his rematch with Mir now.
Hard to argue those….
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LOL NOG?????
Are you fucking blind or retarded. Wait don’t answer that because you are both. Nog in the top 5 and not Brock? Do you know what Brock did to Mir? Do you remember what Mir did to NOG? Didn’t you see how slow and fucked up he is? YOU’RE A RETARDED POS IF THAT IS YOUR REAL LIST. You’re obviously just a Brock hater if that is your list. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Cain is small and will be picked up and smashed when he fights Carwin or Brock.
Your rankings are worse than the rankings PB puts out.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
There it is...
I totally drown you in facts and logic and you come back with…
“Your whole list was a joke. You can’t spot talent to save your life.”
“Are you fucking blind or retarded. Wait don’t answer that because you are both.”
" Striekr is like that, he only sees things his way."
“YOU’RE A RETARDED POS IF THAT IS YOUR REAL LIST.”
You don’t argue my points, you don’t come back with evidence or anything but, " Brock would kill ________________!!!!!!!". Yeah real impressed.
How about you argue my points? I want to see you type: No dude, A loss to Mir and a decision over Herring totally warranted a title shot. And when he fought Randy , the “interim” wasn’t already dropped during the TUF season from Nog’s title. And Randy is as good as ever, he looked great against Nog and clearly beat Vera. And Mir, well Brock undid his loss to Mir with a victory over him later. And Mir’s win over Nog was totally legit, Nog wasn’t in the hospital 8 days before that fight. And Carwin didn’t beat a bigger, stronger Mir in a faster more devastating fashion than Brock. Mir is great, forget that he is 1-2 in his last three with the lone win being Kongo. Kongo is great even though he lost to Herring.
I laughed as I typed each of those sentences as they are ALL UNTRUE. But they are the basis for your Brock manlove fandom.Try arguing my points instead of saying, “you’re just a hater.” and “you only see it your way”. Because that’s how I feel about you, too. I just back up my statements with facts….you don’t.
Also, “Do you know what Brock did to Mir?”
Yeah, first he tapped out in the first fight and then had a less, devastating victory than Carwin. What is it with you Brocksuckers that think the second Mir fight is the most devastating in UFC history? It wasn’t even the most devastating victory that night, or in ANY of Mir’s last three fights. Reasonable people can see it was only a good win over a second tier guy.
And I was not on Mir’s nut’s. I was saying, that whole time, that by your logic of competition only determining ranking that Mir was as competitive as Brock. Too bad Brock hasn’t faced anyone good.
“Cain is small and will be picked up and smashed when he fights Carwin or Brock.”
Perfect example of your"arguement….purely a guess, you can’t back that up with an evidence. Prove it.
And I love how you guys think the “concensus list” is totally valid when it builds up Brock but when it builds up Fedor’s opponents, totally invalid. Total contradiction on your part.
And as for Nog in the top 5…he has only lost 2 fights since 2006. One, to Mir, after getting out of the hospital 8 days earlier and the other to Cain who will be the number 1 contender on July 2nd. Keep failing in you attempts to discredit though…lol.
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Just because your excuses make sense in your head Striker
Doesn’t make them right. Like I said you have your opinion as biased as it may be it’s your very own special opinion LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
And again....
“Just because your excuses make sense in your head Striker
Doesn’t make them right.”
Which part is untrue. Do you agree with any of the paragraph above?
Calling me biased isn’t argument…watch:
Puck your totally biased for anything Pro-Brock.
See, it didn’t away you towards my arguments at all did it?
Logic and facts…quantifiable facts please.
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You turn facts into fiction
Mir beat NOG regardless of opinion wich NOG never once used nor did his teammates only the Mir haters with no evidence what so ever on how bad he was hmm? Yet after that you had Mir rated in the top five and if you want to lie about that now it shows your character as me and jay both seen your list(you may of hoped we forgot about it now but we didn’t) Now all of a sudden to try and prove your point you take Mir out of there?
Proving once again you will doing anything to try and make Brock look bad. Fact is I like Brock and I like Wandy I would bet on those guys in any fight but I’m realistic Brock is unbeatable but what he has done is more than NOG could do in the last three years.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fail...
" Mir beat NOG regardless of opinion wich NOG never once used nor did his teammates only the Mir haters with no evidence what so ever on how bad he was hmm?"
Yes, but Nog wasn’t at full strength. You can pretend that win was legit becuase it helps make a case for Brock’s opponents but the FACT is Nog was hospitalized 8 days prior to that fight with staph. You cannot argue that point. He didn’t say anything because thats what a classless ass like Tito or Brock would do. Anderson will say it though, because it is true.
“Yet after that you had Mir rated in the top five and if you want to lie about that now it shows your character as me and jay both seen your list(you may of hoped we forgot about it now but we didn’t)”
Since you guys resort to name calling all the time, i don’t really care what you think of my character. BUT….I was making that argument then to show you the flaw in your logic that competition and not wins, circumstances, and the actual fights all weigh into a true ranking. By your logic Mir would be way higher than he has now PROVED to be.
“Once again you will doing anything to try and make Brock look bad.”
Still just calling me a hater and not arguing my points. Keep swinging you make stumble onto a point someday.
" Brock is unbeatable but what he has done is more than NOG could do…."
Brock is unbeatable? Anyway, funny you bring up Nog, he beat Randy just like Brock, he beat Herring, just like Brock, he lost to Mir (with a staph infection), sort of like Brock. So what has Brock done again to prove his greatness? Brock did beat a very beatable Mir, but Nog beat Barnett (probably juiced up). So what has Brock done to prove he is so great?
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He dominated Mir after Mir dominated NOG
But regardless the one thing your missing striker is common sense or avoiding it to make your case. Why is it so clear and obvious to so many but not Striker hmmm? I ment to say brock is not unbeatable too there bud.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Still not making a point....
“Why is it so clear and obvious to so many but not Striker hmmm?”
Not an argument.
“But regardless the one thing your missing striker is common sense”
Nor is this.
And Brock still has only beat Mir, Randy Now and Herring? Nog has beaten a who’s who of the HW division. And keep pretending that Nog was at full strength when he fought Mir. Keep wishing and maybe it will come true. Where is your common sense there?
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Yes two fighters that went the distance with
NOG and one that beat NOG being Mir. Herring just came of a Kongo win and then got owned like a GSP opponent against Brock. And then there is your ranking me and Jay were laughing at when you had NOG at three and Mir at four last time we had our little heated debated and Brock not even in the top ten LOL Now you change your tomne hmm I wonder why?
Keep wishing and maybe it will come true. Where is your common sense there?
Well said Striker LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Retarded....
Just to be clear…
You think Randy is a legit win now?
You don’t think that Nog being in the hospital 8 days prior to the fight had any effect on the outcome?
I just wan to be clear.
As far as the OLD list. Yes, I probably had Nog higher. But now he has lost to Cain. Therefore he drops a bit. Why is this hard for you to understand.
I may have had Mir higher on the list to make a point about competiton not being the only factor. You have to include the fights, the circumstances, etc, etc. Keep reaching for an old list that was a few fights ago to make th point of…well I don;t know what point you are trying to make. it will never change the fact that Brock has only beat Randy NOW, Herring, and Mir.
You must think that Kongo is hot shit if your claim to the legitimacy Brocks competition is that both Herring and Mir beat him. LOL. Keep batking up the Kongo tree. LMFAO.
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Kongo is a middle of the pack good
Honestly none of these fighters suck the question is whos is elite. And The elite in the UFC are Brock, Carwin, Cain, JDS & Mir and yes NOG can be argued in there too, I haven’t gave up on him but in today’s MMA against these well trained big boy’s his JJ aint going to do sh^t as i doubt Mirs is. JDS is a great striker but I don’t know if he would do any better against the fence or on the ground than Mir did against Brock or Carwin, and maybe even Cain would give him problems. I can’t remember the last time NOG subbed anybody considered top ten off the top of my head and NOG is not elite if he can’t sub? You have Cain/JDS & Carwin ahead of brock thats fine the proof will come out.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yes it will
The proof will come out. This is a great time for the rest of the MMA world. And a sad time for the Brock suckers.
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It's going to be a great time for Brock fans
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I couldn't read any of your posts on this thread striker, I read Pucks and this is what I gather.
You think these rankings are made by records. Brock is number 2 in the world on all rankings but yours. It isn’t us who has to explain anything. IT is you. Why is it you rank Brock lower than anyone else in the world? Go away your Brock hatred is making you waste hours posting jibberish.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
"I couldn't read any of your posts on this thread striker"
“You think these rankings are made by records.”
" Why is it you rank Brock lower than anyone else in the world? "
So you didn’t read any of my posts but you claim to know what I am thinking.
LMFAO. Next.
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Brock is about to beat your other fave guys and we'll probably never hear from you again. Can't wait for that day.
How has your old rankings been treating you? Ever wonder why your rankings change every month? Because you don’t have a clue.
Mir and Nog in the top 5???? LOL
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
No facts, Jay? Again? Really?
Brock is about to beat your other fave guys and we’ll probably never hear from you again.
Prove it. Will you go away when Brock gets exposed as a sham? Will you please?
“Mir and Nog in the top 5???? LOL” There was a time. But unlike you I see that fight outcomes do effect the order of the list. Keep pretending Brock will be #2 forever, even when he is losing.
LMFAO
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I'm open to your opinion man...it's cool.
I wrestled as well. Wisconsin Div 1 7th. Always good to talk to a fellow wrestler. For the sake of discussion let’s say Brock has not earned it yet. How do you rank the top 5 right now and why? And please tell me you’re not one of the morons that think Fedor is still #1
Fedor...Come on!
I want to respect a fellow wrestler SD, but come on. If we’re analyzing Brock for "What has he done lately to deserve his ranking then the same should be done for Fedor, who has done nothing since 07. Thoughts with respect?
See my post...
Fedor hasn’t lost since he took the top spot and has 2 wins in 2009 against guys who are on the so called “consensus” list. Nobody else has 2 wins against guys on the “consensus” list.
Never lost, beat more top 10 guys than anyone last year. Hard to argue.
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Question?
Do you think MMA fighters have evolved alot in the past two years? As far as all around skill (BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, Mui Tai etc.. Strength/Conditioning as well?
Do you think an average fighter right now is better than the average fighter two years ago?
Completely
Do you think MMA fighters have evolved alot in the past two years?
Of course. I think not as much as say 10 years ago to 2 years ago (huge transition)…but there is still an evolution happening. I think Brock was just the first of the new breed of mega HW. Brocks “victory” over Randy is evidence. Randy left the division, AGAIN, because of the mega HW trend. Brock was just the first and since he was walked to the title shot (THAT HE DIDN’T EARN) he came out on top (with the help of a shot to the back of the head).
“Do you think an average fighter right now is better than the average fighter two years ago?”
Yes, and Brock hasn’t proved himself against the newer mega HWs. He has been on the shelf. He hasn’t beaten ANYBODY to indicate that he is a top guy really, not two years ago and not now.
BTW, Wisconsin Div 1 7th? You would school me. I overachieved to get what I did..against a weak division that year.
Wow, I seem to have chased off the Jay, P-Dub, Puckhead sorority. I am sure they are on some other page whining and bitching like a couple of little girls. They never seem to argue my points. They just direct their lack of a argument points at me and call me names. Just like a bunch of little b*tches. Totally predictable and totally hilarious. Bye, guys. The new era has begun. Brock will never survive Carwin, Cain, JDS
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There is no denying Fedor is great Striker
And it’s fine if you think those guy are better than Brock, but don’t cut down peaple that believe brock is #2 or top five, Brock has beat higher ranked fighters than all the UFC HW’s you listed on your new list, your last list had Barnett, NOG, Mir and JDS from 2-5. You believed Brock was lucky the second time against Mir? But anyway besides not having Brock in there as he should at least be #5 the list is pretty good. As mine #2 -5 = Brock, Carwin, JDS, Cain and it’s a close race that if you flip any of these guys in any order would be debatable. Match up wis I think Carwin is dangerous for anyone including Brock as he’s big, has great wretling ability and deadly KO power. I don’t know if JDS for sure could grapple with any of these guys I know he could strike with any but if he is agaisnt the cage like Mir was I don’t know for sure how he would do. And Cain has heart and motor but he reminds me of a little smaller version of Brock in a lot of ways. It will be fun to watch that is for sure.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
" And it’s fine if you think those guy are better than Brock, but don’t cut down peaple that believe brock is #2 or top five, Brock"
What are you talking about? I have only argued against the list. Sorry if my debating is overwhelming to you. Maybe the internet is too much for you to handle.
“You believed Brock was lucky the second time against Mir? "
No, believe that a victory over Mir isn’t worth that much. Why is this hard to understand?
“It will be fun to watch that is for sure.”
AGREED. I can;t wait for the new era to take hold.
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Top 10?
I’m Sorry dave, but Arlovski couldn’t even beat Sylvia 2 out of 3. And Grim has more experience stocking shelves than fighting. In my humble opinion the consensus rankings are a joke. I realize they’re a necessary evil, but have you noticed the people who actually put them together? They are journalists tryng to catch up with the sport of MMA? These guys rank fighters but can’t explain a position in BJJ, or a strikers stance in boxing. I know I’m going against the current here, But Fedor beating Arlovski and Rogers does nothing to impress me. If he can beat a top HW from a top MMA academy in the US then I will rank him current. Until then he hold no current right to the #! spot.
By this thought process if Hughes left the UFC before losing to GSp and went to reign at SF would he still be #1 or should he have to beat someone currently at the top to prove the label?
Fedor in my opinion is hiding? All business BS aside if he wanted to prove himself he has the chance.
I didn't...
I didn’t make the list. In fact I think it’s a crock. Hence me saying “so called” and putting quotes around it every time I mention it. But many of you seem to think it is valid to have Brock at #2 then all of a sudden it is invalid because it portrays Feedor as # 1. You can’t have it both ways.
Fedor took the top spot and hasn’t lost since. Hard to argue.
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What about this ?
By this thought process if Hughes left the UFC before losing to GSp and went to reign at SF would he still be #1 or should he have to beat someone currently at the top to prove the label?
It's all opinion and no way of knowing
Your right if Hughes left the UFC after beating GSP and became the SF champ GSP would still be behind him in rankings especially if he was not defeated. But regardless Strikers top five fighters doesn’t prove anything about Brock anyway as even if Brock lost to won of them it’s doesn’t prove Brock isn’t a top five just not #1 or 2. So debating right now on how good Brock is with Striker is pointless until he faces a fighter ranked #5 or less if that ever happens, but Brock wins one match Striker is going to look pretty silly LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Or when Brock loses...
You will look silly. It’s on Brock to prove he is valid. We know the other guys are…they have been beating top competition while Brock hasn’t been.
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Brock loses to a top five fighter
Doesn’t look silly to me Striker, now if Fedor loses to a # 10 ranked fighter his fans would look silly. Brock is at least facing the best and I beleive will prove it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If he never lost...
If he never lost and continued to beat the guys in front of him which, BTW, appear on "consensus top ten lists. Then yes, Hughes would still be #1. Since by your scenario, Hughes would have won their only matchup, it would be impossible to really argue otherwise.
However, since they have fought we now know.
We will know soon enough if Brock has what it takes. Until then, Brock hasn’t beaten anyone of merit.
Next argument please.
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Any one of merit in your mind
NOG beat on Couture but it was a great fight were brock took Couture out with fair ease, as well Mir did the same to NOG so how you can have NOG ahead of Brock with his latest performances is mind boggling, but it’s your opinion that Couture and Frank have zero merit even though one beat him and the other had a great battle with him. And then there is Herring who two fights before Brock went the distance with NOG and then beat Kongo. Kongo and Cain had a great fight and kongo almost had Cain down but couldn’;t finish him as Cain just kept on going yet brocks performance over Herring didn’t prove anything to striker even though Herring went the distance with NOG and beat Kongo?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That's what I'm saying Dave.
By that thought process. If yes Hughes won their only match and they never fought again Hughes would still be #1. But we all can see now that GSP is reigning without opposition, and has evolved. Fedor has not evolved, neither has Arlovski or Rogers. I will agree that Fedor was the best in his time, no doubt. But fighters are much better all around now than 2 years ago due to the skill/prep improvements in the top schools? I guess we have to agree to disagree. Until Brock proves it, Carwin proves it, or Fedor takes off his skirt and fights a real fighter and proves it we will not know who the best HW in the world really is. But my money is on the top guys learning in the top schools in the new and improved 265+ Heavyweight Division.
prove it...
“Fedor has not evolved, "
“But fighters are much better all around now”
Prove those statements. Fedor hasn’t lost. End of story.
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It's easy for him not to
To use the “has not lost” argument he has to fight someone of worth. He can’t go to some casino MMA org and not lose to anyone and still say he’s #!
I know Helgy
Striekr is like that, he only sees things his way.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Helgy is right by todays fighters
Fedor hasn’t proved anything as far being #1 Striker lately. He has proved he can beat good fighters but he hasn’t proved he can beat the top new generation of fighters something his best opponents he has ever faced can’t do either. NOG has been KO twice in the UFC and Fedor has went the distance twice with him?And CC well I guess he has an excuse LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Thanks Puck
MMA fighters are evolving daily. Anyone not on board should be left in the past. Gracie was the best.. not any more. Hughes was the best…not any more. Tim Sylvia (was the champ) not any more. These fighters are changing so fast. How can fights that took place a decade ago even be considered in todays discussions? Every sport evolves, every athlete has to evolve. Fedor is an extremely talanted relic that had no competition in his day. He was way ahead of “his time”. He is not way ahead any more and needs to prove that to be #1 Again, beating Andre “the has been” Arlovski, and Brett “clean up on isle 3” Rogers does not prove he holds his ground. LOL!!!!!!!!
Current competiton?
In no other sport in the world can an athlete be at #1, not compete against the other current athletes at the top for 2 or 3 years and still be #1. Absolutely nowhere! Come on Dave! Arlovski & Rogers…really. Those two Busch league fighters are the ones letting Fedor hold his post? No way!
I don't make the lists....
So you can argue the validity of the “consensus” list all you want, but when you do, out goes Brock at #2 as well. You can’t have it both ways. Besides, Brock hasn’t beaten ANYBODY on the list except Mir….which earned him a split. How does that make him #2?
ANd lets be clear, Fedor is lacking money not balls. He went in against EVERYONE who mattered and slayed them all. Crocop IN HIS PRIME. Nog ION HIS PRIME, a roided up Coleman IN HIS PRIME, 4 time K1 champ Schilt, Babalu, Randleman IN HIS PRIME, Fujita, Arona…etc, etc. etc. If Dan would pay him we would have the fight we all want. It’s on moneybags over there in LV…not Fedor…Dan can have a SF vs UFC championship if he wanted to.
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Who cares about Fedor's status
He isn’t fighting for status anymore, just money and he stated this. His looking out for himself and M1’s best interest. And as a fan we just have to enjoy watching him face good fighters it sucks that M1 is his management as Fedor would face anyone but his management is asking for too much, even if Dana down the road wanted to co-promote he probally would not be able to come to terms with M1.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
M1 Blows! Fucking with History of the sport
As for Brock im not sure even the Hulk could stop him…………..
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Response
I aree Brock has more to prove. I’m with you on that Dave. All the “New and Improved” HW’s have to prove who is #1.
As far as the “IN HIS PRIME” guys go. No doubt at the time Fedor was on top. Beat them all and was the clear #1. But Dave you can’t use those fights as a measuring stick today. Those guys in their Prime would get beat today, and they are. In my opinion what has changes in the recent years is the evolution of the well rounded fighter. Cro Cop: Best striker in Pride at the time. Can’t compete at the top now. Nog ( I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter and person) Can’t compete with the new fighters(CAIN) Each of those guys was great at one aspect of the game with some average striking ability to go along. That was why Fedor beat them all because he was well rounded for the time, but not today. Don’t get me wrong, Fedor has the ability and killer instinct to compete today. Has the same ability to K0 another fighter just like the other HW’s. He just would not be a dominant fighter like he was.
OK Asshead, you want me to deconstruct your pathetic list
1. Fedor — I could get into a pissing contest about who he has/has not fought in the last several years, but I don’t really feel like it. 30+ wins with no real loss. He can stay No. 1.
2. Cain — Here’s where you start being silly. He has two big wins in his career, Nog and Kongo, both of whom were destroyed by Mir, who you say isn’t very good and who got crushed by Lesnar.
3. JDS — Beat GG who is a gatekeeper on is best day, Cro Cop who has been a complete dog since coming to UFC (UFC wins are Eddie Sanchez, Mustapha Al-Turk and Anthony Perosh) and Werdum, who got cut from the UFC for sucking.
4. Carwin - Beat GG (see above) and Mir (see remarks under Cain). Other than that it’s been a series of sub.500 gang members and American Gladiators.
5. Nog — Really? Looked great against Couture, but other than that, what? Heath fucking Herring had him unconscious with a head kick. And he’s been KTFO by Mir (again, see above) and Cain. I can’t help but love him, but the fact is he is done.
The fact remains that the big difference between Lesnar’s record and Cain’s, JDS’ and Carwin’s record is that Lesnar hasn’t padded his record with a bunch of cans. He jumped into the deep end of the pool right away. His quality wins are every bit as good or better than Carwin, JDS or Cain. Find another fighter who fought that level of competition in his first five fights. You can’t because there isn’t one. You’re a stupid, biased troll who can’t look past your own hatred to analyze actual facts. Over.
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Fedor #1 P-Dub? Really?
I just do this because I love to argue about Fedor. 30+ wins against one dimensional has been fighters. And current wins against Andre "the has been" Arlovski, and Brett "clean up on isle 3" Rogers does not prove he holds his ground.
LOL I like the Brett "clean up on isle 3'" Rogers
How about Brett “Change my Tire” Rogers LOL
But I hear you, Fedor is probally the greatest HW ever but he is not proving he’s the greatest in today’s MMA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The problem he hasn't been in a fight
In a long time against anyone considered to be on of the best in the world, kind of pointless fights for the msot part as far as status is concerned. The fighters he has faced lately are good fighters they just are not elite and elite fighters and prove nothing as far as him being the best still.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree, but that would have made that post even longer. I guess he’s fighting the best that SF has available, but it’s still trash.
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Yeah doesn't prove anything
But I think thats what M1 wants, M1 probally realizes the dream would have to end sometime but can drag Fedor out longer in other orgs as long as they are willing to pay. It’s smart business wise what they are doing and maybe Fedor doesn’t want to face these big mother f^ckers when he can face less dangerous fighters for just as much money?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ABM lol.
Man I’m thinking ill be impeached pretty fukn fast with Striker Dave around! Geebus!
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by daniel worby on Mar 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no i am starting the Anti Brock Movement
already got about 10 or so regular posters recruited. ill be making a fan post the 15th to see who is all on the ABM wagon. be on the look out and make sure to enroll. it should be fun.
Mir sucks, FreeNow82 was right!
by daniel worby on Mar 30, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
So many had issues with Carwin getting his interim shot
but they seemed to conveniently forget how undeserving Brock was of his title shot. I remember he was actually supposed to be fighting Kongo, but that went out the window for the mega bucks fight with Randy. I think everybody accepts now that the UFC is not about fairness, but about fan favourites and generating the biggest buck at all cost.
I don't understand how you can say Brock was undeserving
His first fight in the UFC he wanted to go against a proven fighter to decide if MMA was worth leaving the WWE for all the money he made there, the rest rest is history even though he lost his talents were obvious and when Randy came back he wanted to fight Brock sooner than later so the UFC made it happen. When Brock was there none of the guys that are at the top now were there and guys like JDS have turned down opportunities to fight higher ranked fighters because they thought they were not ready. Times change and in the uFC HW division the top three contenders have as well.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Agre What's your opinion on ths Puck?
The HW Division is changing. Over the next couple years most of the HW’s will be cutting to make 265 and the smaller HW’s will have a hard time competing. Maybe a closer break in weight divisions would be an option in the future
That could be, in the future
Guy’s like Werdum who are talented but lack size and strength to compete agaisnt big athletes like Carwin and Brock. As well guys like Vera may fight at the lighter HW and do well. Not for a few years anyway will this even be considered.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
How do you know?
“There isn’t one fighter those guys beat that Brock wouldn’t.”
How do you know? He has only fought 3 guys. Herring: Born to Lose, a 46 year old Randy (that he Brock hit in the back of the head), and Mir, who has been exposed as not that great: his only recent wins are over Nog(8 days out of the hospital), Kongo (who lost to Herring) and, Brock.
“but to say those guys deserve to be there more is wrong as all their opponents are no better than Brocks.”
Gonzaga, Nog, Crocop, Yvel, Werdum…um, yeah those guys are better than the competition than what Brock has faced. Totally. You are blinded by you man love for Brock. Absolutely laughable.
Thanks Merkaba, well said and concise.
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That fight was all about cashing in on hype and making $
No way to argue otherwise. Dana is all about hype and quick $. There are other HW’s Brock could have beat to at least go above .500 before getting a title shot. No other fighter could be 1-1 with only win against Herring and get one.
Also Bocek got robbed big time.
Of course it is about money...
Brock is the highest paid fighter in the UFC. (that we know of)
Brock brings in the most PPV buys in the world. (main event at 100 – biggest ever)
Brock has a name outside of MMA. (good or bad, more people know him)
Of course he gets a titla shot. THE UFC IS A BUSINESS. This is not pure sport.
The coll thing is that we will finally see him fight someone that the haters deem worthy. Because watching him manhandle Frank Mir again would have sucked.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
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The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I agree 100% Ulf. Good post. Brock got the title shot based on popularity and PPV sales. Not on merit. However, he has made the best of his opportunities. Although I have to question his P4P status because he did not finish Heath Herring!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
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that was the worst 15 minutes of Herrings life though
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL. I know, I am just messing around.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
If your that naive you don't think Brock could beat Kongo, GG, Werdum etc
Then your even more ignorant than I though, did you not see the beating mir put on Kongo? Imagine what Brock would do LOL. And Kongo would have a decent fight agaisnt any of those guys. CC really Striker LOL. You need to use commone knowlege Brocks abilities at taking down fighters down to the ground are twice as good as Barnetts who has been considered the #2 in the world when he was at the top of his game becasue of his ability to get the fight to the ground and keep his opponent there.On or bet the only fighter that I’m really worried about is Brocks next opponent in Carwin if Brock beats him your going to be having some nice sigs for some time LOL. But until then your to ignorant to talk to with any kind of intelligence regarding Brock.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Kongo?
“If your that naive you don’t think Brock could beat Kongo, GG, Werdum etc”
If you think Kongo is a great opponent, then your more ignorant then I thought. I think EVERY fight Kongo is in he has a 50-50 chance AT BEST.
“Imagine what Brock would do LOL”
You mean get exposed as a overhyped? That does make me LOL. GG whooped his boy showing what he could do to Brock. Mir showed how poor Brocks sub defense is. LOL Lame argument, based on your manlove and not facts.
“Brocks abilities at taking down fighters down to the ground are twice as good as Barnetts who has been considered the #2”
Really…twice as good? How do you measure that? On the ’Brockmanlove" meter? You are guessing there.
“Brocks next opponent in Carwin if Brock beats him your going to be having some nice sigs for some time LOL”
Or you will. LOL
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Striker I seen Barnett fight many times he was one of my fauvourites in Pride
And if you see Brocks takedowns and then look at Barnetts you would understand the statement. Barnett was a bigger HW than most of his opponents and was able to use his size to his advantage in the grapple. The explosion Brock has and speed Brock has in his takedowns is amazing especially compared to Barnetts. But anyway I don’t even know why I’m argueing with you, when you made your top ten list you had Mir in the top five and Brock not even rated in the top ten LOL. But of coarse Mir sucks now in your eye’s LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Show me...
Show me the list I made. Was it from a while ago? Include the date. I think Mir is overrated, but still maybe top 10 and Brock maybe in the top 10…Keep trying to say what I am thinking….only make you look like a moron.
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Did you just argue that GG could beat Brock because he beat Brock’s training partner??? Ignore the nut shot that left Training Partner puking in the cage right before losing, and that’s still a retarded argument.
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No dumbf*ck...
It’s my fault I keep forgetting that you need everything spelled out for you in small monosyllabic, um…easy words.
What I am saying is, GG is fully capable of working a big behemoth of a guy like Brock as he proved with the Brock clone.
Is….that…..clear?
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GG whooped his boy showing what he could do to Brock.
That sentence says that you believe Tuchsherer or whatever is Brock’s equal because they train together and that because Gabe “Can Crusher” Gonzaga beat Tuchsherer via punt to the nuts he would also beat Lesnar. If you’re going to cry over Mir beating Nog because of staph, you can’t turn around and call GG beating Tuchsherer the way he did legitimate. Try mixing in a fact and an iota of logic into your arguments once in a while. If you do, people might not think you’re a retard.
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fair enough...
“f you’re going to cry over Mir beating Nog because of staph, you can’t turn around and call GG beating Tuchsherer the way he did legitimate.”
Fair enough….
I do think GG would give Brock a handful though. He has heavy game himself. He showed it against Tuchsherer (I can’t spell his name either)
“If you do, people might not think you’re a retard.”
Yeah, your really making a point there yourself. LOL. I ALWAYS MAKE STATEMENTS THAT I CAN QUANTIFY. I am constantly accused of just being a hater but the facts are NEVER argued.
Sorry boys, facts are facts, and the new era is upon us. Brock is about 90 days away for the end of his PROLONGED layoff. Then it’s time to face Carwin, Cain, and JDS…good luck with that.
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Training is one thing, another one of Brocks training partners to watch for
Is Cole Konrad but regardless Jardine trains with Carwin, GSP and Evans doesn’t mean he is anything like them when he steps in the octagon. Regardless NOG lost Striker what ever excuse you want to use is fine as that wasn’t the first time NOG has been to a hospital for staph and it wasn’t his last.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Missed the point....
I AM NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE BEAT HIS TRAINING PARTNER THAT HE WILL BEAT BROCK.
I AM SAYING that because GG has shown to beat guys of his style and training background there is evidence to indicate that GG has it in his skill set to beat Brock. GG is a handful for anyone.
“Regardless NOG lost Striker what ever excuse you want to use is fine as that wasn’t the first time NOG has been to a hospital for staph and it wasn’t his last.”
But does that sentence undo the argument that Mir might not have won had he Nog been healthy? No. Fact is, Nog was NOT at full strength during their fight. Argue that point….please. How can you?
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Please bring up facts on NOG's condition not opinion
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So you are claiming he wasn't
So you are claiming he wasn’t in the hospital eight days prior to the fight with a staph infection?
Really?
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I'm claiming there is no proof on how bad it was
Look at Carwin, they just published a story here that he had ink injected into his head and he was sick for about a day after, two days before the fight? The question that was never answered is did it really effect his performance, and thats all opinion because he looked the same agaisnt couture but with better results and the same against Cain with the same results?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He was hospitalized...
The doctors would not release him because of the fear of the infection spreading 8 , yes eight days prior to the fight. Thats how bad it was. Why are you trying to bark up this ridiculous tree?
It was bad enough for him to be in the hospital OVERNIGHT 8 days prior to the fight. That’s how bad it was.
Sorry there isn’t a staph meter to show you what that does to you. But to pretend that it didn’t effect him is just plain stupid.
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And Carwin was in the hospital 2 days before the fight
Still doesn’t prove it effected his performance as he has looked no different his last two fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Carwin was...
Carwin was hospitalized with staph wo days before the Mir fight? Can you send me a link to the news story? I hadn’t heard that. I am really impressed that Carwin had the strength then. Staph messes you up.
Please send a link.
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Are you f*ckin stupid, Puck head?
“I spent a good part of one of the media days in the Dr.’s office” – Carwin
Are you really, and I mean really, trying to argue that being hospitalized with staph is the same as what Carwin is talking about. I will now claim victory as you are so grasping at straws over this.
What ever loser. Your desparation is obvious as even you can now see the landscape has changed since Brock HAS NOT BEEN FIGHTING. His time is about end. This is a glorious time.
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etty good too and could of easily won
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
And Kongo rocked Cain pretty good
Cain was in trouble yet you laugh at Kongo’s abilities and have Cain at #2 LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Huh?
“etty good too and could of easily won”
Huh?
“Cain was in trouble yet you laugh at Kongo’s abilities and have Cain at #2”
Yeah, except Cain shook it off and slammed Kongo two seconds later. Sounds like he was in terrible danger. Actually that just proved Cain chin. Thanks for making my point. Are you short circuiting because Brock is in over his over head now? What is wrong with you?
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Yet when Brock gets rocked it's because he sucks LOL
Can you say hypocrite LOL sorry man Randy is much better than Kongo as is Mir LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
But...
He didn’t slam Randy two seconds later. Cain did.
Keep trying. Fail again.
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Slam Kongo that is.
Brock didn’t show his chin, it was exposed as week.
Kongo a better striker than Randy couldnt stop Cain with a clean shot.
Fail Again.
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Kongo isn't a better Striker than Mir nor as powerfull
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Huh?
Kongo is a better striker than Randy. Even Mor says so, " Kongo is one of the best striker in the HW division." Thats a quote form the countdown.
Cain shook of his straight shot and slammed Kongo 2 seconds later.
Brock didn’t slam Randy ever, unless you count the punch to the back of the head.
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A Mir shot is more powerfull than a Kongo shot
Good try though LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He was sick a day after he was released
You don’t have any idea what NOG’s condition was the night of the fight
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So
So you are claiming that staph heals that fast? Do you know anything about what you are trying to argue?
You can;t do crap for weeks usually.
And Anderson made it pretty clear that Nog wasn’t himself for that fight. But I guess you know more than Anderson about Nog’s condition. A reasonable person would have to concede that there is at least a question to Nog’s health in that fight. Keep pretending everything was blue skys and sunny days. You are delusional.
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Like I said you have no idea how bad it was
Youre just guessing to make your shy^t smell better.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Like i Said...
A reasonable person would acknowledge there is a legitimate question to Nog’s health if he was hospitailized 8 days prior to a fight. He may have been fine, but there is certainly a legit question to his health that do weight the legitimacy of Mir victory. End of story.
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Like I said trying to make your sh^t smell better
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Does staph even matter?
Isn’t it obvious that staph or no staph Nog is a piece of shit and maybe Mir beat him regardless of staph? Who cares if he got run over by a truck the night before the Mir fight. Nog is fucked and shouldn’t be brought up.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Yeah...
And there it is. Blind fandom. You have wet dreams for Brock so much that you actually think anybody and everybody else suck…Laughable.
Ridciulous. Jay, you just proved how little you know about MMA. You are an ignorant POS if you think Nog is inconsequential.
You and Puckhead should go suck each other while watch Brock workout videos.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Been saying it for months and months.
Nog is done. How many KO’s will it take to prove that to you? He wasn’t even half the speed of Cain.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
All I said was Staph or no staph Mir would tax that ass.
Nog being in your top 5 makes the rest of your list unreadable. Come back after Brock beats Shane and Cain. I got a big dick I’d like you to suck.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
You seem to be running again
When was this list? Was it a few months ago before several fights may have changed the lineup?
Keep trying. It’s laughable.
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He got ink injected in his Brain wich caused him to be sick
There is no proof the staph was effecting NOG the night of the fight
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Shows what kind of man you are
If you are even a man? If I have time I’ll find it but I know you had Mir in the top five.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
But your so full of shit it would be hard to keep track of
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I probably did have it in there...
I probably did have Mir in there at one point but now it is moot. Mir has been exposed and Brock’s opponents are now shown to be weak. LMFAO
“But your so full of shit it would be hard to keep track of”
Huh?
Short circuit.
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Ohh yeah it works when ever you want it to work LOL
How old are you really?
I probably did have Mir in there at one point but now it is moot. Mir has been exposed and Brock’s opponents are now shown to be weak.
Really Striker he was exposed against a top five now he sucks yet the same thing happened to NOG annd it’s OK LOL your a classic introvert
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You can make the story sound how ever you want but by reading everything hear your Just an ignorant hater
What did Brock ever do to you? Did he leave the WWF and now your mad at him? Really Striker read what you say. You can call me stupid all you want but I don’t get inuslted by ignorant f^ckers like you.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
AGain,
You try to make it about me.
Try arguing my points, can’t can you? You are unarmed in this argument.
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LMFAO
Still on the introvert path…LMFAO. Your boy Jay even acknowledged that I’m not introvert. keep sounding stupid.
However, Nog has other wins in there against more legit competition. Mir only has Kongo. LMFAO.
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You sound just as naive as him but I can see your trying to change the subject
Another classic intovert move LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Didn;t change any subject,
But I see that YOU are.
Anyway, are you fgoin gto argue any real points?
Is Mir great?
Is Randy still great?
Did Brock earn his shot? Anything, anything?
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Just go read all the post there is many reason why you jsut need to read
I’m going for some Beers now it was fun but it’s pointless debating with you. You keep asking the same qquestions over and over and there is many points made but you always find something wrong wit hthem even though you use those same reasons yourself on other fighter. Sorry Striker but your stubborn for me.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So
“You keep asking the same qquestions over and over and there is many points made but you always find something wrong wit hthem”
That’s because your arguments dont make sense, are not factual, or don’t apply. Please
Is Mir great?
Is Randy still great?
Did Brock earn his shot?
Have you ever answered those? No. Saying I had them higher on a list a few months ago is an answer to the questions. Saying I am biased isn’t an answer.
Yes or no to those questions and them bak them up.
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Mir is a great fighter
He is now bumped out of top four in the UFC but he should be above NOG in rankings.
Randy isn’t a top ten HW anymore but when he faced Brock he was top five I admit the HW division all around was thin compared to know as many fighters that were top fighters then are not anymore, like I said times change.
Yeah Brock earned his shot the HW division was thin and his ability was obvious to most. And by him winning the belt it proved he deserved a shot.
CC sucking nuts now doesn’t change the fact that CC was a top fighter when Fedor fought him back then, why does it change Randy’s?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So ignorant...
“but he should be above NOG in rankings.”
Its called: a fluke. Do you think Hamill should be above Jon Jones? Jones did technically lose to him? No moron, try to look beyond whatever makes Brock look like he has beaten better opponents. The Mir/Nog fight is at best questionable
" Yeah Brock earned his shot the HW division was thin and his ability was obvious to most. "
Now your just being stupid.How did he “earn it” over Werdum, Mir (who had just beaten him at the time) and Nog who was the interim champ. Your only fooling yourself with that line of shite.
" CC sucking nuts now doesn’t change the fact that CC was a top fighter when Fedor fought him back then, why does it change Randy’s"
Becuase it’s been proven that Randy isn; the same as he was before the 18 month layoff at his age…WHEN BROCK FOUGTH RANDY, RANDY WAS PAST HIS PRIME. When Fedor foought Crocop, Crocop was in his prime…Crocop is now past his prime. Do you really believe your bullsh*t? You can’t be that stupid, can you?
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing the Jones Hammel fight to the Mir and Carwin fight
Is retarded. How do you know Mir was past his Prime he had a great war against NOG one of the best fights of the year. The only bullshit is you your full of it. Winning the belt is proof he deserved to be there who at the time deserved it and the only other two fighters tha tcould of deserved it more fought for the interm title and Brock joined that belt too showing he with out a doubt deserved it. Should I start the name calling no Striker LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It also exposes the fact that your top 5 lists are always fucked.
You had Nog and Mir in there 2 months ago, when I was trying to tell you they were both done. I don’t see why you talk to this POS, Puck head.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
Yeah I don't know either jay
I’m running away now Striker , talk to you later jay
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Because he can't prove me wrong.
Hey Jay, are you going to argue any points with any facts ever. Or just name call?
Yes, my list was different before. it has changed over the last few fights? Or do you still think Royce Gracie is the top fighter in the world?
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It has to change every fight because you don't know who should beat who.
Your list should be so that a guy doesn’t lose to guys under him.
Fedor
Brock
JDS
Shane
Cain
No one on that list will beat anyone above him. That is the top 5. It won’t change because I know that everyone on that list is better than the people below him.
Your list
Fedor
Mir
Cain
Nog
Carwin/JDS
You’ve been wrong every fight. Now go away.
"GSP (ESP) is the most predictable fighter in the UFC"
True that jay
He changes his list according to the best way it makes Brock look bad. He doesn’t take NOG out of the top five because NOG lost to a top five fighter, yet Mir loses to one of his current top five fighters and he’s shit? And to top it off Mir beat NOG.But it does show he’s blinded by hate and if it’s not hate it is just stupidity. Ohh well I remember when I was a kid I thought I was always right too jay and clearly Striker isn’t mature enough yet to admit when he was wrong.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Easy to say when you boy isn't even fighting.
Sorry dude, lists change over time and after fights occur. When did you decide to stop updating the list? When Brock was at his peak? LOL
So JDS has beaten Yvel and GG since that list, he went up. Cain went up and Mir went down. therfore…
Fedor, Cain, JDS, Carwin, Nog. How do you not get this?
But okay, if you want to play that way, you are right. I may have been wrong about Mir. In fact, I had him too high on the ranking. But now that means that Brock hasn’t beaten anybody of merit. Your right, I had Mir too high. LMFAO.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said Striker your story changes at your convenience
Typical grade three sh^t Striker. Did you ever think you were wrong about Brock? No way that could happen. Your version of Merit will change at your discretion really showcasing your stupidy or biased opinion both the same.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ignorant
“Like I said Striker your story changes at your convenience”
Or with the outcome of fights.
“Did you ever think you were wrong about Brock?”
He hasn’t fought sh*t for brains. So no, my opinion of him has not changed. However, two things, one: I have said on this board that he is probably top 10…only because the other guys on the list have lost and therefore gone down. Two: I have always said if he cleans out the division I will admit that he is superior fighter. You Brocksuckers always seem to miss that. Will you Coc…I mean Brocksuckers change your tune when he gets whipped? Probably not…just excuses and tears.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit for brains LOL
Your pathetic Striker I’m showing you fact and your calling me names good job buddy. I like many fighters not just Brock Striker if you were on any other post you might see that. I’m pretty sure Brock could go at least 2 & 3 against the three top fighters like you said losing to those guys doesn’t prove he’s a bad fighter, it just proves he’s not #2. I doubt he loses but I’m not going to bet my house on it, as I don’t think you would either against him.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I love when...
I love when you call me names all day and then try to take the high road. Hilarious.
“I’m showing you fact "
What fact? That my opinion hasn’t changed about Brock. I’m not even sure how that makes any case for you. You see, it’s more important for you to try to prove me wrong than it is for you to be right. You try to say that I was wrong about Mir’s ranking which, I obviously was after the Carwin fight proved it, but that only make Brocks so call achievements less impressive. You see if Mir lower in ranks then that means that Brock hasn’t beaten ANY top 5 guys. Do you see the flaw in your logic is? You should just focus on trying to make Brock sound better instead of trying to make me sound bad. I admit I am harsh at times. But this is the internet. If you can’t handle it maybe frisbee or knitting is more your speed. But my harshness doesn’t change the quantifiable fact: Brock hasn’t proved himself yet…only to Brocksuckers.
" I like many fighters not just Brock"
What planet are you on? When did I EVER say he is the only fighter you are a fan of? Try to keep up.
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Striker your opinions change to
your convenience to make your hate on Brock sound better. But everybody can see through this as all your statements here prove that you have something against Brock as did your statements before. I could care less what you call me Striker, and this time I did try to keep the name calling down and stated things like “that was a ignorant comment” rather than calling you a retard, but you make it tough on guy not to get in a verbal childish battle. Anyway I don’t think any fighter is really bad. When comparing to Machida to Vera yeah Vera is not near Machida but Vera is still a good fighter just not elite same as Kongo and Herring etc. Elite to me is top 3 or 4ish and Brock is elite in my opinion but I do agree he needs to start proving it and needs to win two of his next three if not all three to be a to be elite.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
There you go again....
“Striker your opinions change to
your convenience to make your hate on Brock sound better. But everybody can see through this as all your statements here prove that you have something against Brock as did your statements before.”
What opinions did I change? Have you considered that fights have occurred since the last time we discussed a list and therefore the order may have changed. No , apparently haven’t considered that. You are so hung up on trying to prove me wrong or make me look like I am a hater that you are forgetting to actually make your case. You are only trying to discredit me. Guess what, if somebody you don’t like is right, it doesn’t matter if you don’t like them. Correct is correct.
“I could care less what you call me Striker,”
So why did you whine about it above?
“And this time I did try to keep the name calling down …but you make it tough on guy not to get in a verbal childish battle.”
Funny I think the same thing about you. I always let the person I am debating dictate the tone of the debate. If you open that door, I will come through guns a’blazin’.
“Brock is elite in my opinion but I do agree he needs to start proving it and needs to win two of his next three if not all three to be a to be elite.”
Have you realized that is all I have been saying? Every…single…time. If he does prove it, I will eat my words and concede brilliance. I just won’t give him credit until he earns it. He hasn’t yet. No matter what all of the Brock-centric fanboys on this site say. He hasn’t beaten anybody that a ton of other guys would be favored to beat. He didn’t earn his title shot. He has not been more devastating than other fighters. Any argument to the contrary of those statements is based in fandom and not quantifiable fact.
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He beat better fighters than 95% of the fighters out there
First off the belt was down to four guys Mir/NOG/Randy & Brock regardless who Brock faced the winner of these for deserved to be called champion as these four guys at the time were the best Striker. Carwin/Cain were not near the top of their game at this time and JDS wasn’t even in the picture. Regardless Couture was even after a layoff better than the out of shape big Timmy and better than AA who Feodr faced. These guys were better than anyone Cain/Carwin or JDS faced at the time. So at the time Brock had faced some of the best competion as any elite fighter maybe the only one to face better was Mir who faced NOG and Brock. Can you name five fighters who faced better competion at the time and won. As of today and becasue of the long layoff I can see concerns on how well Brock will do and that the guys you mentioned in the uFC now have faced stiffer competion but those guys and Brock will prove who should be were down the road but they can’t pass Brock until they prove they can beat him.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
LMFAO
" First off the belt was down to four guys Mir/NOG/Randy & Brock"
Really how did Brock get in there? Mir is a former champ, Nog was the interim champ (and former Pride champ), Randy was returning 5 time champ. Brock, well, Brock decisioned Heath Herring and had lost to Mir. Wow, that doesn’t reek of favoritism.
“as these four guys at the time were the best "
Oh, so Brock is only “champ” because he faced week competition. Is that really your argument? And over rated Mir (now proven), a staph infected Nog, and a past his Prime Randy. WOW. Blow me away. So just to be clear, you are saying that Brock is only champ because of the timing of his getting placed into a tourney that he didn’t deserve to be in. Sound accurate?
“Regardless Couture was even after a layoff better than the out of shape big Timmy "
How do you know? He didn’t fight Timmy AFTER the layoff, he came out of retirement, beat Timmy and GG, THEN had an 18 month layoff where his age seems to have caught up with him. Why are you the only one who doesn’t see this? Oh, fanboy blinders.
“Couture was even after a layoff …. and better than AA”
How do you know? There is no FACT to that statement. They never fought each other. Jesus, do you know what a fact is? It is something that can be proved. The ONLY way to tell in MMA is by head to head competition on even terms.
“These guys were better than anyone Cain/Carwin or JDS faced at the time.”
How do you know? That is not a fact. A fact is s something that can be proved.
“becasue of the long layoff I can see concerns on how well Brock will do and that the guys you mentioned in the uFC now have faced stiffer competion”
So by this statement, Brock should NOW be ranked lower than these guys because the other guys have now faced and beaten better competition? Just checking your logic.
Like chickens in a barrel….keep typing words. You may accidentally stumble onto a point that is based on fact and not your opinion. You may also accidentally be correct about something as well.
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I know because the fighters these guys faced at the
Time are not even good fighters anybody that has half a brain knows this LOL go tell me one fighter that these guys faced at the time that is better than Herring LOL good luck and once again your blinded hate is showing LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
LMFAO
“go tell me one fighter that these guys faced at the time that is better than Herring "
JDS beat Werdum…better than Herring
Nog beat Sylvia,Herring and Barnett…better than Herring
Randy beat GG…better than Herring
Mir beat Brock…yes even Brock is better than Herring, but only slightly.
All around the same time.
“your blinded hate is showing LOL”
Actually, sounds like yours is.
If you would make one, just one convincing argument against Mir being over rated, Randy being past his prime, Brock not deserving his title shot, Brock not defeating tough opponents I would agree with you. I have even said that if Brock beats the division or at least does well, I would concede to his brilliance…not exactly bling hate if I admit, i can be swayed. YOU, Jay, and P-Dub just make sh*t up, lie, speculate, and then accuse everyone else of doing it…then guys like Jay run away like a little girl.
Good luck with your argument…keep typing words, you may finally make sense someday. keep at it though.
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You proved nothing once again LMFAO
The Couture fight was set up months before JDS ever beat Werdum and AA beat him earlier proving Werdum didn’t belong in the title picture as we all know you can’t be in the title picture losing to a someone that lost against Sylvia who lost to Couture. Good try though Strike but once again you Strike out LOL
Once again NOG was in the picture and lost too MIr and then Mir lost to Brock once again you prove my point LOL Strike two
So once again you didn’t prove anything in your statement and infact made your opinion even weaker than it already is. JDS out of all the top five fighters you had on your list is the only name on your list that you could find fighting a better copetiton was werdum who jsut lost to AA earlier? And even so Brocks fight was already set up for the title fight so JDS was not in the picture like I said at the time. NOG and Mir were fighting for the interm belt so both those guys got there opportunity and Randy had the real belt with JDS already set up to fight Werdum and NOG and Mir set for the interm belt Brock was the best fighter left. The best fighter Cain beat before then was Jake OBrien and the best fighter Carwin faced was Christian Wellisch.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
HAHAHAHA
I love how you are trying the same approach that I am using on you.
“The Couture fight was set up months before JDS ever beat Werdum”
No it wasn’t the Couture v Lesnar fight was set up 1 month prior to the actual Werdum vs. JDS fight. Why not cancel the JDS fight and put Werdum in against Randy? Werdum had earned it by beating GG and Vera after the AA setback. Keep trying make your MMAth work. Fact is a victory over Herring and a loss to Mir doesn’t merit being the tourney.
“Good try though Strike but once again you Strike out "
When have I ben wrong and struck out. Just be because you act condescending doesn’t me you are right. I have been right so I get to laugh at your attempts to pretend your speculation and BS is a fact. That’s how it works, you have to be right to talk down to someone.
" Once again NOG was in the picture and lost too MIr and then Mir lost to Brock once again you prove my point LOL"
Yawn, once again. I know how the fights turned out. But if you choose to ignore the fat that the Mir/Nog fight is at best questionable due to health issues then you are just not looking at all in the facts. You are blindly only reading the one little loophole that paints Brock as having beaten “top competition”
" So once again you didn’t prove anything in your statement"
Of course I did. You are just the only one who doesn’t or won’t get it. You and Jay have just forget all facts and reason and just beleive what you want: I won’t believe it, I’won’t, I won’t, I won’t. You sound like a little girl.
“the only name on your list that you could find fighting a better copetiton was werdum who jsut lost to AA earlier”
Just…two fights later. And in those two fights Werdum whipped GG and Vera. Try again.
“NOG and Mir were fighting for the interm belt so both those guys got there opportunity and Randy had the real belt with JDS already set up to fight Werdum and NOG and Mir set for the interm belt Brock was the best fighter left. "
Please form a thought before typing. I can’t understand this jibberish.
Bottom line, explain why the UFC had to rush Randy to fight Brock. You can’t or you won’t. Where was no need for a tourney. Since the Nog/Mir was already scheduled, go ahead and let Randy fight that winner. WHy the rush to get Brock his chance. Why not have Brock fight someone with a winning record in the UFC in order to validate a title fight (not Herring)? how about GG, the winner of Werdum/JDS, even Crocop.
Would you at least agree that the returning champ is supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return? Would you just be a sane person and concede that point? The UFC wanted to get Brock a title shot against against a ring rusted, old Randy. They did.
And quit pretending like Brock somehow beat Nog too because he beat an over rated Mir who got past Nog on a staph infection.
Don’t write back unless you will concede that the purpose of a interim belt is to hold the title in a champs absence only to challenge the champ upon his return.
Until, you find some way to convince me there was some reason to skip over interim/returning champ fight. If you say to make money, then you are admitting that Brock didn’t deserve his shot against old Randy, Sick Nog, or overrated Mir. ANd that he only got that opportunity becuase of something beyond fighting.
BYe, bye. go make up some lies or something. And tell Jay I said he is a little bitch coward who runs from arguments that he cant win.
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I'm going to make this easy so even a fith grader can figure it out
Werdum wasn’t going to get a shot after losing to AA who lost to Timmy twice in a row who lost to Couture
JDS was not known and didn’t beat anybody considered a top ten before Werdum who was not considered a top conteder either after losing to AA who was beat by Timmy twice like I said.
Even though Brock dominated Mir(who by the way beat Timmy as well and you must know Timmy beat AA twice who beat Werdum) in his first UFC fight and peaple wanted to see a rematch right away because many thought Mir was lucky Brock made a mistake(and he did) instead they gave Mir and NOG a shot at the belt that eventually turned into the interm belt with Randy’s return. And during this time if you forgoten Heath was rated the highest he has ever been becasue of his win over Kongo who was ranked high at the time becausee of his win over CC. I know the HW division was thin and becasue it was thin Brock got his shot.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I keep forgetting...
You believe in MMath.
“Werdum wasn’t going to get a shot after losing to AA who lost to Timmy twice in a row who lost to Couture”
Okay, Forest beat Rampage, Rampage bet Jardine, Jardine beat Forest…who is the best? Keep chasing your tail. See you in a few weeks.
" Even though Brock dominated Mir(who by the way beat Timmy as well and you must know Timmy beat AA twice who beat Werdum) in his first UFC fight"
More MMA math…keep chasing your tail.
“peaple wanted to see a rematch right away because many thought Mir was lucky Brock made a mistake”
Again, you think you can speak for everyone. you can;t speak for everyone. Try," I wanted to see a rematch." Was that so hard?
Wrong anyway, because I am a person and I didn’t want to see Brock make rookie mistakes against an over rated Mir.
“Mir and NOG a shot at the belt that eventually turned into the interm belt with Randy’s return”
So you are admitting that the UFC just decided that the championship belt turned into an interim belt. LMFAO. So they just decided to make a second belt out of thin air. Or magically reinstate Randy’ belt…WHY so they can give moneyboy Brock the most favorable matchup possible. WHY DID THEY NEED TO DO THAT? WHY NOT JUST HAVE RANDY FIGHT THE MIR/NOG WINNER? Keep dodging the question.
“And during this time if you forgoten Heath was rated the highest he has ever been becasue of his win over Kongo”
So Herring was at his highest rating with 2-2 record in the UFC with a loss to O’Brien and a win over Brad Imes…IMES? Keep drinking the kool aid. Do you really believe your own BS? Or are you overtly BSing?
“I know the HW division was thin and becasue it was thin Brock got his shot.”
So by that logic, Brock is champ only because the division was week and he won it over old, ring rusted guys and over rated guys who beat a sick fighter. That’s what YOU are saying.
Again, I noticed that you forgot to answer direct the question: Would you at least agree that the returning champ is supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return? Keep running from the question…you and Jay ALWAYS do.
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I did Mir and NOG were suppose to fight for the real belt
They signed a contract around the same time Randy announced he was coming back as the champ but because NOG and Frank already agreed by contract on a title fight the UFC made there’s the interm belt. The fight wasn’t announced tell later but the contract was already signed before Randy came back. And yes Randy got a shot at the title becasue the division was thin really the three best wre Randy, NOG & Mir. Hell I think Heath was a top five then even above Werdum as Werdum was coming off two losses in a row to AA before he even faced JDS and Kongo beat CC who was ranked high at the time then lost to Herring.
The rankings change as fights happen and always will Striker
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It shouldn't say Randy got a shot at the title it should say Brock got a shot ....
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
But...
“They signed a contract around the same time Randy announced he was coming back as the champ "
Not true. AGAIN. Mir and Nog were coaches on TUF which was filmed in the summer. The whole season the fight was reffered to as “for the title”. Their title fight…NOT interim title fight was scheduled in the summer. Nice try though.
“Werdum was coming off two losses in a row to AA "
WRONG AGAIN. Werdum has never lost two in a row and we was COMING OFF of a whipping of GG and Vera. Keep making stuff up. I am typing that a lot lately. You are just making stuff up. It makes Brock fans look bad when you have to lie to make him sound better. Face it Brock DID NOT deserve the title tourney over Werdum or GG.
" The rankings change as fights happen and always will Striker"
I KNOW. I am the one who spent all day yesterday trying to explain how MIr’s stock has now dropped and therefore Brock hasn’t beat anyone of value now. If rankings change over time wouldn’t Werdum’s ranking go up after beating GG and Vera after the AA setback? Or does it only work for making Brock sound good?
Again, I noticed that you forgot to answer direct the question: Would you at least agree that the returning champ is supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return? Keep running from the question…you and Jay ALWAYS do.
“I did Mir and NOG were suppose to fight for the real belt” is not the answer to that question. Please answer the question…shouldn’t Randy (the returning champ) have fought the winner of the interim belt fight (Mir or NOG) for the title before fighting anyone else? If you do agree then basically the turney was BS.
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They we go I'm going to agree with you
NOG and Mir were more deserving but right being them Brock was as deserving as anyone at the time. And the champion doesn`t always fight the number 2 or 3 ranked either so fighting the fourth ranked wasn`t undeserving it happens all the time. Is Hardy the number 2 or three, is Maia the number two or three, is Edgar… you know what I mean, Brock didn`t get a shot to early he was lucky he entered MMA in the uFC when he did, but he proved he was elite anyway.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I guess you don't understand english...
This may be the root your problem.
“They we go I’m going to agree with you NOG and Mir were more deserving”
ONCE AGAIN…THAT ISNT THE F*CKING QUESTION. I know Nog and Mir where more deserving of the title shot. That’s why Nog ALREADY held the title and Mir was challenging him for it already. But the question is: Is the returning champ is supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?
It’s a simple yes or no question. I’m not asking if anyone was more deserving, I am asking if the returning champ is supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return. Your inability to answer that simple question proves either you don’t understand the question (too stupid to really discuss MMA) or that you are purposely skirting it because you don’t like the answer. Which is it Stupid or afraid?
“And the champion doesn`t always fight the number 2 or 3 "
Of course not, but thats not the point. NOT that Brock was ranked 4th anyway…LMFAO.
“but he proved he was elite anyway.”
How did he prove he is elite? By beating a guy who basically lost his next two fights as well (Randy)? Or by beating an over rated guy who was only there because his opponent was sick (Mir)? That’s all Brock has done. Nothing else. Once again, if Werdum or GG would have done the same thing, would you be saying they are elite or would that outcome be likely…it was the likely outcome for whomever they placed in that position. So they put Brock in. Why don’t Brocksuckers see this? Or at least admit it? Because a moron can see this.
ANSWER THE QUESTION: YES OR NO.
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by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no way of proving Werdum would of beat Couture
or Mir but the fact remains Couture and Mir were both considered better and the top three fighters the uFC had, until Brock came and took #1. End of story you can cry all you want Striker it doesn’t change the MMA consensus. Your opinion is just that your opinion. Just like your rankings that change so dramatically that shows you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to talent so will your opinions of Brock it’s just a matter of time before you have no more excuses. The only person that can see your point of view may be a moron? But that person is you and I don’t want to be name calling but if that is what call yourself so be it. And as far as your question goes you answered it as you know when TUF starts those two fighters committed to fight ing eachother regardless of the champs return so this is a unique scenerio and and the only time it has ever happened, so in this situation the answer is NO. Do you understand finally? Brock got an opportunity and was a better choice than Werdum, Herring or Kongo all lower ranked than Mir, Couture and NOG and Brock with the best performance before these fights got set up got the opportunity. As anyone that understands his skills understands Brock is the real deal.
In the end and this is the end of this topic I understand now that your opinion of Brock is biased as your rating and opinions change on the fighters he has faced change to make Brock look bad. Really how valid is your opinion of Brock when your opinion of other fighters changes to make your opinion of Brock stay the same? Comparing Royve Gracies ranking change to Mirs is pathetic excuse LOL But anyway Striker Brock got the opportunity and became the champion of the UFC no matter how you put it he is the champion and the highest ranked fighter in the UFC. Now he has to go defend his belt and ranking THE END
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
English....
You didn’t really answer the question, anyway but the way you worked around it is proof you are talking out of your ass.
“There is no way of proving Werdum would of beat Couture or Mir”
That’s why I said: if Werdum or GG would have done the same thing, would you be saying they are elite or would that outcome be likely…it was the likely outcome for whomever they placed in that position.
Do you understand the difference?
" Your opinion is just that your opinion. "
I know, but unlike you I back it up with facts. You make up stuff and look for loopholes.
“Just like your rankings that change so dramatically”
No, you’re right, rankings NEVER change. You must still have Royce Gracie as the #1 fighter in the world. (Sarcasm) Sorry dude, rankings change when fights occur. Do you really not agree with that? Really?
“And as far as your question goes you answered it as you know when TUF starts those two fighters committed to fight ing eachother regardless of the champs return so this is a unique scenerio and and the only time it has ever happened, so in this situation the answer is NO.Do you understand finally? "
No I don’t understand. But you contradicted your self in you answer. My questions is: Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return? and you answer NO …and the only time it has ever happened.
Nice try. By your answer of NO you are saying that: It is okay to have two “champions” at once. Sorry there cannot be two champions….that’s the point a champion is the one on top. The interim champ is the champ until the champ comes back and re-establishes himself as champ. You are also saying it would have been okay for Serra to fight say, BJ Penn when he returned from his injury after GSP and Hughes had already fought for the interim title…that is what you are saying.
Also by saying that ""and the only time it has ever happened" you are correct. Never in the HISTORY of combat sports has a champ returned from an injury/contract fall out and fought someone other than the one who the promotion had determined was the new champ …and still held their championship title. It’s laughable. The only hting that was unique was that the UFC wanted to get Brock the most favorable matchup possible in order to make Brock the “champ” so they could cash in on his fame.
That is the only reason that they had the tourney at all. There was NO rush to have Randy fight…they could have waited until the already scheduled fight could have happened. On that note: Follow up question. WHY DID THE UFC NOT WAIT TO HAVE RANDY FIGHT THE WINNER OF NOG AND MIR?
“I understand now that your opinion of Brock is biased”"
Like I said, I will change my opinion if he proves it…you have NEVER said you will change yours if he loses….who is the real “biased” person here
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"...the answer is NO" by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has never happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup.
If he ever loses to someone that is not considered elite I would change my opinion
Just like I changed it on Wandy, as he’s not elite anymore. Elite to me is top five(ish) no set number but right now elite is Brock, Cain, Carwin, JDS and Mir. NOG has fell back and still can redeem himself as another but the punch he took from Cain who hasn’t been known for his punching power is no different than the punch he took from Mir with the same results. NOG is still good but I have in rated in the same calibure of fighters as Kongo and Werdum type calibure and I think would be tough battles. NOG’s staph infection did not effect his performance like you want to believe staph infection does not make you slower and it does not make your chin weaker, his staph infection 8 days before the fight would not effect his performance and infact it was 20 days before the fight he was in the hospital not 8 like you claim or should I say to make your story sound better LOL.
And yes ranking do change when fights happen but a fighter that loses to another elite fighter doesn’t drop off the top five list when he loses to someone else in the top five and thats common sense. The only reason you now say Mir sucks is because it helps your case. The fact that NOG who is #5 on your new list who Mir beat and him losing to another top five shows your ignorance.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Well
I do agree with some of what you said there…but…
“NOG’s staph infection did not effect his performance like you want to believe staph infection does not make you slower”
Wrong, it can totally make you fatigued and totally tap your energy. Where on earth do you get your info on that?
“he fight would not effect his performance and infact it was 20 days before the fight he was in the hospital not 8 like you claim”
Show me your source and I will concede to the amount of days. My source says eight days. Your source please?
" And yes ranking do change when fights happen but a fighter that loses to another elite fighter doesn’t drop off the top five list when he loses to someone else in the top five and thats common sense. The only reason you now say Mir sucks is because it helps your case. "
You are making shit up. Copy and paste the quotes where I have said “Mir sucks”. In fact I will copy and paste the quotes I have made ON THIS POSTING"
“Fact: Mir has bee exposed as a mid level fighter now.”
by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 10:38 AM PDT
Concerning Brock…
“I DO think maybe top 10.”
by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 10:47 AM PDT
“Mir is overrated (and Brock only has a split with him).”
by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT
“Mir is over rated…who has he really beaten lately?by StrikerDave on Mar 29, 2010 11:04 AM PDT
Show me where I say “Mir Sucks”
I might have missed it but I don’t think I did say that. You are making shit up again.
“And yes ranking do change when fights happen but a fighter that loses to another elite fighter doesn’t drop off the top five list "
yes ranking do change when fights happen
I believe that a few months ago my Top 5 where (and I can’t rememebr the order) where: Fedor, Nog, Mir, Barnett, and (to be honest I can’t find that list and can’t remember who specifically was # 5 as I beleive 5-7 we comparable). Do you have my list ? Seriously? I may be remembering wrong. Seriously ., if you can find it and the date I posted it I will walk you though my thought process on it. But Fedor stays there. Cain, Carwin and JDS enter. Barnett leaves for total inactivity (until last week) and still have Mir in my top 10. It’s a question of space. In fact I have Brock in my top ten because some other guys have fallen out. Yeah, saying a guy is top 10…sounds like pure hate. Considering the QUESTION of the staph infection, I put Nog above Mir until a rematch.
In all of your last five posting you have either made shit up or skirted a question. It is pathetic Puck…pathetic. It would be cooler if you just didn’t make shit up (and totally wash over it when I call you on it) or skirt the questions.
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"...the answer is NO" by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should be mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has NEVER happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup.
My source is NOG he stated that after
The fight in an interview, I’ll dig it up for you if you want as you know Ithink your source is Dana who makes things seem a little worse than they should be LOL ironically. Just google it if you can’t find it let me know I think it was MMAweekly but anyway sig shows what kind of person you are as you don’t state the facts of the conversation just what you want to remember.
You state Randy could of waited to fight the winner? They fought 2 months after Randy fought Brock and that would of been another three to four months after that and Randy already has been off for over a year, so again the answer is no, the way things happen Brock was #4 on the list at a shot at the time in most peaples eye’s. And he proved he was worthy. And you stated above Mir is a weak opponent Striker as your opinion on him was moot LOL
But anyway regardless Brock got his opportunity and made the best with it.
If continue to be a troll Striker and put your biased remarks with partial statements of what I said thats cool, I gave you chance and debated with you but pulling that shit that only has part of the comment in that made my answer NO proves that you only read what you want to hear. Classic troll called intro was the same way?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Stop making stuff up...
" Ithink your source is Dana "
But you would be wrong. I heard that in an interview with Anderson.
“you don’t state the facts of the conversation just what you want to remember.”
But that is cut and pasted from what you said. You are saying that it is okay for this time that there be two champions who are not fighting each other. What is so special about this time? Why did the have to have Randy and Brock fight before the title is unified? Two solutions: Just wait. Have Randy fight the winner of Nog/Mir and let Brock fight Kongo (or anybody really) or Two: Just say that Randy vacated the title and a new one was awarded but the winner of the Randy/Brock fight would get first shot at the champion. Thats how it is done in EVERY other sport. They NEVER have two champions…EVER. It’s a contradiction in terms.
“They fought 2 months after Randy fought Brock”
Actually 1 month, 12 days but keep trying to skew the stats to make a point…and keep saying that’s what I do. That’s 6 posts in a row where you lie or skirt a question.
“Randy already has been off for over a year,”
So what’s another 3-4 months? He is still fighting over a year after the fight that did happen… or why not just say he vacated and have the Brock/Randy fight not be a title fight? Your are just being thick and stubborn now because you love Brock. You will just not accept that a HUGE acception was made in order to get Brock the most favorable title shot possible.
" If continue to be a troll Strike"
But I am not the one LYING , SKEWING FACTS, and SKIRTING QUESTIONS…YOU ARE. YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF A TROLL...just because you call me the name doesn’t mean it is true. You seem to have a problem with the truth.
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"...the answer is NO" by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should be mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has NEVER happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup.
Okay...
“but pulling that shit that only has part of the comment in that made my answer NO proves that you only read what you want to hear. "
Okay, I will cut and paste more…
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"... so in this situation the answer is NO." by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should be mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has NEVER happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup.
Or even more...
“"but pulling that shit that only has part of the comment in that made my answer NO proves that you only read what you want to hear. ""
I will add more…
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"... this is a unique scenerio and and the only time it has ever happened, so in this situation the answer is NO.." by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should be mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has NEVER happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup.
Ah hell...
I’ll go ahead an use your whole sentence….
DO YOU CARE TO TRY TO CALL ME OUT ON ANYTHING ELSE? I WILL ALWAYS BACK MY STUFF UP.
You never seem to. You always just change the subject.
"Is the returning champ supposed to fight the interim champ upon his return?" by StrikerDave on Mar 31, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
After several attempts to skirt the question....
"And as far as your question goes you answered it as you know when TUF starts those two fighters committed to fight ing eachother regardless of the champs return so this is a unique scenerio and and the only time it has ever happened, so in this situation the answer is NO." by Puck Head on Mar 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
You are really drinking that kool aid there, Puck. What alternate reality do you live in where there should be mulitple champions, who are not fighting each other? It has NEVER happened in any major sport EVER...except when it was to get Brock a favorable matchup. Why not have Randy wait for the Mir/Nog winner to unify the title? Why not say that Randy vacated the title (which he basically did) and have the Brock/Randy fight be a #1 contender fight. For some reason the UFC just HAD to get Brock a "title" fight against old, ring rusted, undersized Randy....hmmm, I wonder why....
K if I proof it was 20 days will you shut the F up?
Cause I can prove it LOL and there is nothing you can do about it. But anyway intro and by the way thats your name like it or not.And if I prove it will you finally admit to what a moron you are? Please let me show you what a moron you are LOL Never mind you do a good job troll LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Fact is...
Brock is champ, hasn’t really had that hard a test to get there though – mostly get’s by on extreme size (Randy is tiny in comparison yet it was no walk in the park).
At the end of the day they need another division, there are plenty of guys who compete between 220-240 that are nowhere near the size of the monsters like Brock/Carwin. Brock has wrestling skill and explosive power, I’ll consider him totally legit when he’s got 10 or so fights under his belt (you may say guys like Hardy got a shot quick but he’d been fighting a long time before he got to the UFC). I think Carwin will be Brock’s first real test against a near equal sized opponent, Mir hasn’t got the frame of either of these guys, after that someone like JDS as he’s not as big but is big for a true striker.
I like the fact that someone said above that Brock is legit when he’s beaten a former UFC champ and a current one (neither long-term dominant like GSP/Silva/Penn) – yet Fedor takes a lot of heat for eating former UFC champs for breakfast and isn’t considered “legit” by some on here ;)
Can't w8 for this fight!
Finally Brock is Guna get tested in the cage. If 1 of randys punches can stun Brock carwin can put him out! Hope he works on his TDD.
by d*locc on Mar 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Carwin could KO anyone with his fist, thats what makes him so dangerous
If anyone can take one most likely it would be Brock, he took a Knee while going for a takedown on Mir directly to the head and survived. But if possible you want to avoid any contact with Carwins fist to your head thats for sure.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Division 1 Champ vs Division 2 Champ
Usualy the Division 1 Champ went through a touger seaon. Carwin made a comment at the PC about He and Brock not crossing paths in Wrestling but now they are. If Carwin connects he can KO anyone including Brock. If it goes to the ground definite advantage to Brock. He was a much better Wrestler than Carwin in the day and still is.
For sure and my money is that Brock will get him there Helgy
He just needs to avoid Carwins strikes in doing so.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree.
I do not think the difference in the wrestling skills will matter all that much, especially when you are getting kneed, punched and elbowed in the face. Jason Macdonalds superior ground game did him no good at all against Nate Quarry when those elbows came hammering down.
Fedor No.1- LOL!!!!
Striker Dave – your very delusional if you believe Fedor is the No.1 HW. Fedor cannot be placed higher than Lesnar or Carwin. I base that on current skill set as well as competetion. And the likes of Cain and JDS are rapidly closing the gap.
Neither Arlovski or Rogers would stand a chance against the UFC’s top HW’s and both those guys rocked Fedor briefly, especially Arlovski who made a split second mistake and ate a wild Fedor punch.
I’m a huge Fedor fan and a former long time Pride follower who travelled to Japan to watch him fight twice and the Fedor that fought Arlovski and Rogers would be dropped on his arse against the top UFC’s new HW’s. Fedor is definately on the decline and rightfully so he’s been the top dog for a long time.
As for Brock, IMO he’s a hillbilly meat munching moronic retard who was gift wrapped a UFC HW title by Dana for reasons which still baffle me. However it’s time to move on and face the fact that Brock is a beast of a wrestler who moves around the cage like GSP at 265 pounds. Thats some scary shit!
To not rate Lesnar as the No.1 HW based solely on those he has fought isn’t fair on him or his opponents given you can only fight who’s put in front of you and to this point Lesnar has done the job. Fedor on the other hand knows exactly where the competetion is and doesn’t want any of it. Fedor is happy to fight on his terms in the US, he prefers to fight in Japan and isn’t motivated by the $$$ of the UFC or anyone else as M1 look after him well.
IMO Carwin by TKO 2nd Round…or maybe thats just me wishfully thinking,
FUCK YES!!! - was my reaction to the announcement of UFC 110 in Australia. Now I get to live my dream of watching the big show live!!
UFC
is simply business with entertainment. Anyone here would set up the same fight such as brock for the HW title. Who here would set up fighters that would cause the company to lose money? If the company loses money, take a good guess what we be watching?
LOL I like that one Striker
Like I said I’m a Carwin fan myself but I will be cheering for Brock in this one. I like power fighters.
My fauvorite top ranked fighters that are still fighting today that I love to watch
1) Brock Lesnar
2) Wandy
3) Hendo
4) GSP
5) Alves
6) Carwin
7) Rampage he’s been moving down
8) Jon Jones
9) Fedor
10) Cain
Yeah I like the wrestlers
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sweet list of favorites...
I happen to like almost all of those guys too. I don’t pretend they are all the greatest but I enjoy rooting for almost all of those guys.
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