FightMetric statistics deconstruct UFC 111 unanimous decision for 'St. Pierre vs Hardy'
by Jesse Holland on Mar 28, 2010 3:48 PM EDT
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Thanks to Bloody Elbow for the tip. Check out the striking breakdown and total performance rating for "St. Pierre vs. Hardy" after the jump.
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lmfao theres a fan post on that "other" site where the auther calls out pretty boy
He writes that the only reason he joined up after reading for years was because of some guy constantly typeing bj on mania!!!!
Our enigma has hit the big time!
Lmfao that made my sunday!
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by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 28, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I read where GSP landed 35 high % strikes
that is quite pathetic. I don’t wanna give away too much of my MMBB, but I personally was more impressed with Hardy’s heart than GSP’s performance. Yes (all Canadians) GSP is a beast, is unbeatable at ww and top 3 P4P, that doesn’t mean I have to like how he wins! Being safe rather than taking any type of chance!
good post kevjack115...
unlike most people who don’t like GSP, you give the guy credit for being a top 3 P4P. Being a GSP fan I would have liked to see him fight a little different than he did last night. I think he could have smoked him standing…I understand why he took him down, but would have liked to see him batter Hardy on the feet, much like he did against Fitch.
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I am officially off the Greg Jackson band wagon...
“Don’t pass guard. just rain down punishment”
The gameplan was to be safe and NOT LOSE. I call Bullshit. If this is where this sport is going, it will not progress, IMHO, to mainstream outlets.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
i believe theres a difference between "safe" and what GSP did last night...
Anderson Vs. Thales comes to mind as a “safe fight” and he did everything he could to defend his performance afterward. not a word to be sorry except i think he said that he’s sorry that fans arent more educated. bit of a knock on MMA fans if you ask me…
GSP fought smart, did what he could to finish, submissions and GnP. i was thinking that Hardy was doing a great job of defending the GnP, which im sure he actually trained for specifically.
granted i would’ve loved to see him finish and even hoped he would beat him standing, but i knew he wouldn’t…
if you were a HW fighter BJJ specialist, would you go jump guard against Lesnar or Carwin? hell no you wouldnt. you would train your ass off in take down defense… either GSP is utterly the most dominant wrestler in MMA history (which is plausible) or Dan Hardy himself came in with the wrong gameplan or the wrong training to back up his actual game plan
agree and disagree
GSP definitely played it safe, no if ands or buts about it. He didn’t stand at all. I don’t blame him, he played into his strength and Hardy’s weakness, but then again, I think GSP has impeccable striking too, so I don’t think he had to take Hardy down constantly!
yea i agree in a way
which is why i was hoping so bad GSP would just beat him at his own game. at the end of the day this sport is 2 things… a spectator sport yes, and a life for these fighters… they need to do what they gotta do. not always how we WANT to see it done, but GSP won and thats what i really wanted to happen so i cant complain too much
hopefully next we get to see Daley KTFO Kos and get shot… better start the TdD training now!!
whooo gsp worked that pile of shit bad
it was close tho…
then the fight started! hahaha
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 28, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
why is he a pile of shit?
I wasn’t a fan before, but I thought he came off well! is that a worby canadian biased comment or do you have an actual reason
worby canadian biased and stirrin the pot
caught old man kevin right away lol. truth is against anyone besides gsp i cheer for Hardy and will continue to
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Daley vs. GSP would be exatcly the same fight we saw with Hardy!
Daley’s hands are heavier then Hardys, which I think would amount to even less stand up then this fight had. As much as I am not a fan of GSP style of fighting, I would at least rather watch a guy who has the slightest chance at takedown defense and of possibly getting up if taken down. If Kos wins GSP may actually fight and win standing, which would be nice for a change.
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
GSP is still too traumatized
by his loss to Serra…his ball sack has never descended back down and he hasn’t stood up since. I think he’s confident in his striking but not in his own chin. Sucks for him and us. I did find it interesting how he DECIDED not to break Hardy’s arm in the 4th and then beat himself up for it after the fact. Maybe it’s not the best part of the job for him but you’re gonna run into some guys who will not tap not matter what …you’re gonna have to pull the trigger sometime Georgie.
I don't think he chose not to break it
He said he heard it “click click” so I get the impression he thought he did break it. As far as the arm bar goes, technically it wasnt good!
He stated that in his post fight press conference
He tried to break his arm but his technique was off.
I’ve read a few posts stating that GSP chose not to break it, where are these people getting this information from!?!
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 28, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
as a jits guy (and my wife as a jits girl) the first thing we noticed (my wife first) was that the arm bar was off. still awesome that Hardy didn’t tap, most would have!
I think it was that his feet were crossed over each other
I think that makes itr more difficult to push up with the hips
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 29, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't stood at all since the first Serra fight?
Wrong. The rest of your post was probably just as bad as the first sentence so I skipped it. bunch of whining women on this site today.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
ultimately
a title was on the line so Genghis was spot on the game plan but I felt the same way… sorta disappointed because of how well GSP was able to execute.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
GSP passed guard at will and Hardy had no answer. Why play safe at that point? USe what you know to stop the fight
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Exactly
I’d be interested to hear what ANS’ opinion is on the corner advice for GSP. We have one of the most skilled MMA fighters of all time dominating his opponent yet he’s following the adivice of a guy telling him to stay in guard??
I hope they don’t try and dilute Bones Jones down this way too by stifling his talent with a rigid gameplan.
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 28, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson seems to cater to the fighter
GSP is scared of the ko so they cater to that. Jones and Carwin are not. GSP doesn’t have any confidence in his ability to take a punch and that what all of his game plans ultimately feed into.
Worrying
GSP is in the wrong game if he’s scared of the KO! I know what you mean though D.
I still think if Jackson was such a good cornerman he’d have a better plan B other than ‘Stay in guard until the last 30 seconds then pass!’
No the wonder GSP approaches his fights with fears…
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you make shit up? GSP is not scared to stand, he knows he will win on the ground.
Don’t make shit up.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Maybe because they saw that GSP was unable to do shit from side guard just like in every else of his fights.
He passes guard into side mount and then his opponents get back to guard. GSP needs to be more relentless and aggressive he’s out there like a machine doing the same things over and over that he’s learned in training, how about elbowing and punching your opponent in the face.
GSP passed guard btw all the time even after Greg told him to start raining down GnP.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
GSP passed guard
and then would do nothing with it, but rest his forearm on hardys jaw. He would just sit.
and yet fitch and saunders gets stood up WHILE fitch is throwing elbows.
fitch and gsp must be taking notes from antonio mckee
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that Fitch fight was exciting, they should have just left Fitch on top humping the shit outta ben.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
If he was safe, I think he would do a different kind of job... don't you think ?
There’s a difference between being safe and intelligent. But still not the greater fight ever.
I thought...
I read a comment by GSP calling it “safe”…no? I am one of the biggest GSP fans out there, and admire his talents as one of the best P4P fighters on the planet, I just expected more out of him in this fight. I definitely think I have been spoiled by his past performances….that is probably why I am dissapointed.
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To be fair
He gave up positions on the ground 3-4 times trying to get an arm bar or a triangle.
He wasn’t just trying to hold the position.
By take more chances I assume you mean fighting stand up.
He won on the feet too; GSP landed the only effective strikes on the feet, I think Hardy connected a good leg kick and a left hook that sort of connected.
I was impressed by Hardy’s defense and resiliency though, you could tell he knew he couldn’t win by the 3rd round, but he still fought on.
I think GSP is more disappointed than anyone he wasn’t able to finish and he was actively trying, so I don’t fault him for not finishing
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
he landed like 2 jabs, and a few kicks
hell hardy landed then strongest blow on the ground, what does that say about gsp’s gnp?
check out that elbow hardy dropped on gsp’s dome from the guard, split him open.
also another point, when was the last time someone put gsp on his back?
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP has a slow domination style that is not great to watch. It is impressive that he is able to dominate his opponents in a controlled way that never puts him in danger. The problem is that without him ever being in danger he has lost that killer instinct that fighters have. I think it is time he makes the move up to 185 and be pushed to his limits. I can say that I am no longer excited when he fights and it also looked like Dana wasn’t impressed standing behind him with the belt (not that there is any relevence there).
I give Hardy a ton of credit, I really can’t wait to watch this guy in his next couple fights. I can also see him not wanting to ‘wrestle’ with GSP again as he wants to fight and he was probably shaking his head and calling GSP a p*ssy. I’ll give GSP credit for the victory but man what a waste of time. For $60 (HD) I’d would have rather seen Hardy and Koschech in the final and watch GSP in the Olympics for free.
I understand that this is MMA, but I do believe the UFC is more then that. It is entertainment and more of a hybrid of MMA and cage fighting. Dana’s little speech of ‘do you want to be a fcking fighter’ is proof. BJ Penn, Dan Hardy, Shane Carwin are UFC fighters, GSP and Machida are MMA fighters and I believe there is a difference
I think more of Dan than that
If fighters have that attitude they’re probably shitty fighters.
I think he’s probably thinking he should have trained better TD, or not been as tentative on his feet.
GSP landed more strikes standing too, hardy did almost nothing.
He landed a short hook and a leg kick on the feet thats it, had Hardy not fought so defensively he may have been able to catch GSP.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
I agree with you...
I am a HUGE GSP fan and I thought his effort was atrocious. He didn’t use ANY striking to soften Hardy up for a submission. When the arm submissions were obvious that they weren’t going to work he should have moved to a choke. I mean even if Hardy was able to reverse and end up in GSP’s guard he didn’t do any damage the one time it happened. He hasn’t fought that conservative since the Koscheck fight.
I think one thing that makes a champion a champion is the ability to think on the fly and adjust your gameplan when something isn’t working. GSP did not do that, he literally just grinded out and tried for a decision victory.
I wonder if he’s fighting more to not upset his sponsors than he is to finish lesser opponents. I just don’t get it. I don’t think Hardy has the huge power that some talk about.
So you didnt see the elbow hardy landed in GSP’s guard?
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a HUGE GSP fan and I thought his effort was atrocious. He didn’t use ANY striking to soften Hardy up for a submission. When the arm submissions were obvious that they weren’t going to work he should have moved to a choke. I mean even if Hardy was able to reverse and end up in GSP’s guard he didn’t do any damage the one time it happened. He hasn’t fought that conservative since the Koscheck fight.
I think one thing that makes a champion a champion is the ability to think on the fly and adjust your gameplan when something isn’t working. GSP did not do that, he literally just grinded out and tried for a decision victory.
I wonder if he’s fighting more to not upset his sponsors than he is to finish lesser opponents. I just don’t get it. I don’t think Hardy has the huge power that some talk about. I wonder if Gatorade and Under Armor were pleased because the fans weren’t.
It's true it was not the best fight ever but let's be serious here...
1-GSP said it himself that he was not happy … let’s see if Fitch (all his fights), Randy (against Vera) or Anderson Silva (against Thales) did say something about being unhappy about their fights. Lets give props to GSP and let him the chance to comeback stronger
2-Hardy is tough… but let be clear on something… HE did NOTHING in this fight, period. But nobody seems to talk about that.
3-We wouldn’t have this discussion if GSP would have finish the first submission.
4-Most of GSP haters are Bj Penn fans (still can’t swallow the losses) or Brits. By the way it’s funny how the Brit journalists are so bias, don’t you think ?
I disagree
yes I’m a Penn fan and not a GSP fan, but I look at EVERYTHING objectively. Like I said up there, GSP is unbeatable at ww and top 3 P4P. He just doesn’t excite me. I know I’ve been flamed in the past, and I’m not saying he’d win, but I’d love to see GSP/Nick Diaz. Diaz has a better BJJ game than GSP, has great stand up and is tough as nails. I think that fight would be great.
As far as Greg Jackson goes, I’ve been off his band wagon for a while now. He game plans too much (if there is such a thing), and seems to instruct his fighters not to lose rather than to win. He has multiple fighters on losing streaks and in my opinion has been passed by by the trainers at AKA and Caesar Gracie (holds 3 titles in strikeforce). It’s like how dominant Militich used to be, but no longer is. you need to evolve!
By the way Shane Carwin trains at Jackson... No safe plan with him ;)
I hear you, but the important word in my post is hater. To hate and to dislike is 2 different things. People can dislike GSP, but sometimes they go over the common sense just because they hate him. That’s my opinion anyway.
Carwin fights to his strength’s just like every other fighter, you do still have a brain when you compete so it’s not like the fighters don’t think for themselves. The fighters are out there using their skills that they’ve trained for in their whole career’s and should take any opening they see.
I could never imagine to listen to a coach and do what he says when i play sports, you’re a not a robot you do what you’re good at and what feels right at the moment.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Never listen to your coach? Do you not think that Carwin was coached to get in close to Mir?
I think they both listened to Jackson Roberto, and folowed their gameplan. They set a gameplan up for months and fighters need to hear instructions from their coach because the coach has better eye`s on what`s happening. Now after the fight if GSP doesn`t like something he will talk to his coach`s to chance it for the next fight. GSP tried to finish with subs this fight but Hardy was amazing at escaping.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Of course you listen to advice, but you’re the one out there working you are the one competing not your coach so you will use your strengths to win. Training and learning is the most relevant, no talk is gonna help you out there.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Hardy might have done NOTHING...
but I have to admire his heart…the guy is kind of growing on me and I hope to see him put an ass whooping on Koscheck someday…
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In fact I like Hardy too... I am just trying to share my concern about giving GSP all the heat ...
Why would Hardy would stand so stiff and would have no takedown defence. Did he knew who was GSP ?
I think it was two factors...
Gsp is THAT good at takedowns…and Hardy’s gameplan and training were dead wrong….
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its all good
i dont comment much and now my forearm hurts from typing lol.. il go back to reading now
His training wasn't dead wrong
He trained for the double leg, and gsp switched it up and went for single legs
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL@ newfound hardy fans
people were saying the same thing about fitch after his loss to gsp. about how gritty and gutsy fitch was, how much heart he showed, and how they were more impressed by his loss that gsp’s win and couldn’t wait to see him fight again.
look at fitch now! nobody can stand him and everyone wants him to lose.
fans were bagging on anderson after the lietes fight for not jumping into lietes guard and taking the fight to him. fans are way too fickle.
at least fitch tried some kind of offense in his fight with gsp. gsp even said it was his toughest fight. Hardy did absoluetly nothing. if only Cantwell wouldd have had that armbar on hardy…snap
true
i like hardy to a certain extent, but he didn’t come to win this fight, he came to survive.
gsp vs hard=paqiuao vs clottey. except some people are blaming gsp for not finishing the fight, where as paqiuao was lauded as doing all he could do.
Hell yeah
Clottey and Hardy both did all they could to survive. Except Hardy did nothing to stop the takedowns. GSP seems to lack a killer instinct. He should have broke Hardy’s arm with the kimora instead he just gave up on it. This was a snooze fest. At least Carwin tore through Mir. Frank’s got a long road back to get another shot. He needs like three or four quality wins to even get a sniff at the title.
by Larold of the rocks on Mar 28, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
True jj putz
I do kinda like Hardy but some of these guys ready to attack Fitch are the same ones saying Hardy did have heart though. My God i thought Fitch showed some heart in his fight with GSP i think some of these fans need to go back and watch that one. I m just baffled by all the hate on this site.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Hardy atleast put GSP on his back
when did alves, fitch, bj or kos do that?
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I just read your post again...
you are talking about a double standard with all the hate for Fitch right?
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sort of
i was trying to point out how much love hardy is getting is the same love fitch got after he lost. obviously fitch took more of a beating than hardy, but he also took alot more risks.
but it didn’t take long for people to jump off the fitch bandwagon. i geuss that would be a yes to your question. :)
hardy will be back
And will hopefully see him fight kos and ko tht mother fucker … or paulo thiago tht be a gd fight to watch
by THORPEY! on Mar 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I like Paulo he's pretty complete all around
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
GSP has a slow domination style that is not great to watch. It is impressive that he is able to dominate his opponents in a controlled way that never puts him in danger. The problem is that without him ever being in danger he has lost that killer instinct that fighters have. I think it is time he makes the move up to 185 and be pushed to his limits. I can say that I am no longer excited when he fights and it also looked like Dana wasn’t impressed standing behind him with the belt (not that there is any relevence there).
I give Hardy a ton of credit, I really can’t wait to watch this guy in his next couple fights. I can also see him not wanting to ‘wrestle’ with GSP again as he wants to fight and he was probably shaking his head and calling GSP a p*ssy. I’ll give GSP credit for the victory but man what a waste of time. For $60 (HD) I’d would have rather seen Hardy and Koschech in the final and watch GSP in the Olympics for free.
I understand that this is MMA, but I do believe the UFC is more then that. It is entertainment and more of a hybrid of MMA and cage fighting. Dana’s little speech of ‘do you want to be a fcking fighter’ is proof. BJ Penn, Dan Hardy, Shane Carwin are UFC fighters, GSP and Machida are MMA fighters and I believe there is a difference
What!?!
Smh… BJ is a UFC fighter and not an Mixed Martial Artist??? What!?! Hardy has a heart of lion…. Most average people would have tapped like there was no tomorrow… GSP submited Hughes with an armbar. So what’s your point? I’m waisting my time with the and I just realized that. I’m sorry
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Mar 28, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
that gsp shoould move up to mw. hell, guys like fitch, hardy, aj and alves are practically mw’s fighting at ww. give gsp a few warm-up fights at mw and then silva. i think gsp is alot tougher than you think, it’s just that nobody has forced him to prove it.
agreed
He wants to be the best in world ever and I think if he is to be the best ever…this is how he has to be….
But kos vs hardy would be good or alves..
by THORPEY! on Mar 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
GSP won, good for him, bad for fans
You can’t take anything away from GSP for winning and TOTALLY preying on Hardys weaknesses. Just don’t swing from his balls, you can call him the best p4p fighter in the world or whatever, and he won fighter of the year in 2009, but recent fights, especially last night was a snooze fest. I love people like Fedor, who can win the fight in ANY position (but will still use his intelligence to find a guys weakness) always exciting. I’m sorry to any hardcore MMA fans, but that fight last night was fucking boooooring. GSP took no risks to try to end the fight, Greg Jackson probably wears a condom to take a piss. It’s a paradox though, GSP looks almost untouchable by current WW, can’t be angry at him for giving his opponents very little opportunity, guess that’s why he’s so good, but in a really fucking dull way for the majority of MMA fans.
Dan was a warrior not tapping, hope he is ok. They were the only times GSP tried to finish it. I hate Fitch fights as much as the next person, but last night he was more fun to watch than George Sleeping Pill.
If I'm free it's cos I'm always running - Jimi Hendrix
by Jimi_kiss the sky on Mar 28, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
Wow another great post
I think everyone was just drunk last night lol
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Holy fuck
An outbreak of common sense.
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 28, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I wouldn’t worry about Dan’s arms – some people are naturally more flexible than others and that shouldn’t leave any long-term damage.
Had one of the British Judo Olympic team armbar me while sat on my back (pulling up from the floor) and I refused to tap – he said my arm bent back around 30 degrees and he’d never seen that before – I had some bruising the next day but didn’t feel any pain.
and the best mma comment for 2010 goes to.......
Jimi_kiss the sky… no joke either, that was a good read.
Hardy earned my respect last night, but he’s got zero td defense… and GSP had his way with him. But as you said, he’s not being tested at WW. Georges is a natural born athlete first, fighter second… and until he gets in there with someone like silva or belfort that can match his speed and athletic ability he’s gonna do what he does to win the fight. Guys like that would force GSP to stand… not rely on his wrestling so much.
It’s funny actually when I was watching last night (drinking too) i told my buddy next to me, GSP is a good fighter… best in UFC, probably top 1 or 2 P4P fighters in the world. But I wanna see P4P fighters able to finish the fight anywhere. Take what their opponent is good at and beat them almost saying “I’m gonna take your strength and so you I’m better at it” that’s what P4P means to me.
I’d be very interesting to see GSP switch up his camp to ATT for a few fights and see how his game changes.
Just like GSP did with Hughes...
Beating him at his own game – at that point I thought WOW, this dude is gonna be unstoppable – before that I though he was a fantastic striker, and now he’s outwrestling arguably one of the best wrestlers in the sport…
But now, since he’s been KO’d rather than “beat ’em at their own game” he’s become play-it-safe Georges, he’s earned the right to do so, but I wish he’d go for it as he really could be one of the best fighters ever but he’s in danger of his “Legacy” for being great becoming one for being “safe”.
GSP beat Hughes on his feet. He did not wrestle with him. Since when is boxing Hughes' game??
by captainStevo on Mar 28, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP destroyed Hughes on the ground the third time
They were talking about how amazing it was that Hughes was getting dominated by a fighter with no wrestling bacjk ground.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
????????
Anybody out there know why Greg Jackson was telling GSP not to pass guard? IMO he could have done a lot more damage.
by silent assassin on Mar 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
Hardy was using the passes as opportunities to scramble or reverse, seems like he must have spent a long time doing that, and Hardy’s BJJ defense was proving to be top notch. I just think Jackson thought he could do more damage by standing in his guard and raining down blows from the top.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
I'm a GSP fan and I have to say that
I agree with the earlier post criticizing greg jackson.. I’m really not a fan of Greg Jackson Gameplan’s at all, I really feel like he takes away from his fighters. GSP needed a bit of inspiration and to be told to keep doing what he was doing and try to finish the fight, not remain in guard.. That just shows Greg Jackson didn’t have confidence in GSP and was scared of Hardy transitioning to his feet. I really don’t like what I saw from Rashad the last time in the ring and I feel like this time Greg Jackson really helped to scale back GSP’s performance in the 4th and 5th. That said, GSP might’ve had a little ring rust and I think he should have proven a point with the standup because I don’t think Hardy had anything for him on the feet. Greg Jackson is limiting his fighters, he is not the freddie roach of mma.
Ya Hardy got beat up, but...
So does everyone else he faces if he takes them down. I would have liked to see him submit his opponents. Not being able to do so over 50 minutes in 2 fights means he has some BJJ flaws he needs to iron out. He admitted as such but as wrestling and transitions go there is none better
Agree
I am a GSP fan too. But for some reason when i was watching this fight i was rooting for Hardy.I just didnt want to see the same old gsp takedown bullshit. I give credit to both fighters though but in the end GSP just proved to be the smarter fighter.
by silent assassin on Mar 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
silent assasin
i thought i was the only one that heard that. Jackson said in every round to not pass guard until the last 30 seconds.. St. pierre was getting wrist controlled pretty well by hardy the whole fight. where does jackson come up with these gameplans.. thank god george didnt listen.
You have to give Hardy some credit for making this fight a fight and making some think GSP was boring
GSP had two great submissions that HArdy got out of somehow? And GSP tried for a couple others I don’t know if he had that ankle lock or not at the end? But regardless GSP went out of his comfort zone and almost had the fight finished twice. But honestly you guys do you expect GSP just to detroy everybody? If that happens then you will all be bitching about him to move up to MW but the fact is GSP was the smaller of the two last night and Hardy was able to escape from two submissions that would of ended 90% of the fights. Now offencively Hardy had nothing on GSP but his power made GSP take this to the ground and not play with Dynamite. I don’t know a HArdy vs Alves fight next?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I have no clue jj
I got alot of respect for Jackson but i think he got this gameplan wrong! You cant tell someone to wait til theres 30 seconds left in the round then pass guard it just doesnt work like that. U cant just pick a specific time to finish someone.
by silent assassin on Mar 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
Hardy vs. Alves
Now thats a sick fight!!!!! would love to see that
by silent assassin on Mar 28, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
so GSP is boring cause of what he did...
but A. Silva is a monster after his fights wit cote and leites??
i mean gsp working constantly on the ground is much more exciting then silva dancing around rarely engaging
my opinion
I love the ground game to Newfie and GSP's performance was dominating once again
GSP wanted to finish it but Hardy put up a great struggle and never gave GSP the easy finish. Hardy toughed it out but got destroyed in every way but getting finished.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i think we will start to see less finished fights as people get better and hungrier!
people shit on gsp for not finishing the fight, but he was fighting a real animal in dan hardy who would refuse to quit! even if gsp threw more stikes from guard i doubt he would have hurt or finished dan, cause the guy just does not quit! so instead of shitting on gsp i will commend the hear of dan hardy!
it was awesome after the fight when gsp shook dans hand, and asked him what the fuck was up with the armbar and why didnt he tap. hardy just pointed to his head and said “i’m crazy”
WTF
I can’t believe some of the retarded comments on here regarding this fight. I don’t care who your fighter is, and there seems to be a lot of BJ’s minions here, but this competition is about DEFENDING and engaging not just blindly swinging like an animal with the hope you hit your intended target. Most of you haven’t been in more than a grade school granny bitch-slap and want to diss an octagon technician. Please, if you can’t accept the obvious fact GSP is a top-notch fighter, and a class act, go back to watching youtube clips of Kimbo and marvel at the real man!!!
We are "dissing an octagon technician", you are "dissing" us. That makes you what...
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Lol
Gangsta
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Mar 28, 2010 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lmao
so if someone admits that GSP is top 3 P4P, probably the best WW ever and a vanilla (class act) guy, we can’t have the opinion that since being stopped by Serra, he throws less and less strikes, takes everyone down, plays it safe and is even coached to “stay in guard?” Sorry, maybe we should all just have the same opinion, swing from the same nuts and not think for ourselves.
Funniest thing is, those who know me, know that I’m a huge BJJ and ground fighting in general fan. Sorry that guys like GSP and Fitch aren’t overly exciting to me!
and lets be real here...
if Semtex is given the next title shot (i think he will TKO kos), then we will see EXACT same fight as we saw last night….
daley wont be doing anything at all and GSP will have his way with him on the ground…
Newfie I think Shields is getting the next shot
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
would also like it if someone could post a GIF of the explosion of shane carwin
those uppercuts he decided to unleash were monsterous!!
AND
does joe rogan realize that he doesnt have to yell into a microphone for people to hear him? its a fucking microphone, just speak into it and your voice will be heard.
in the mood to talk people....sorry..
just watched danas blog from weigh in day…pretty cool to see GSP and Hardy sittin side by side for the pre-event speech from dana
Big learning experience for Hardy....hopefully
He’s a good fighter and definitely showed his toughness last night. However, I don’t know why he thought he could maintain his kickboxing stance and not be taken down at will? I would have liked to have seen him try to defend a takedown and I don’t think he did even once in the fight. Maybe it doesn’t matter against GSP because he is the master of the takedown but I would have liked to have seen Hardy at least try and anticipate a shot and sprawl. He couldn’t do it even once. I’m sure he has an appreciation for how good GSP is at that and what kind of athlete he is.
While I am a big GSP fan, I understand some of the sentiment of his playing it safe being a turnoff to some of the MMA fans. However, I understand he and his team wanting to protect “the machine” that is GSP right now. Being the champion means big money, more fame, more endorsements….etc. I certainly can understand team GSP wanting to protect that.
As a fan of his, I would like to see him now train differently for fights. I think he is so good with the TDs and controlling fighters on the ground and big cardio to go with that, that he should concentrate his training now on finishing opponents. He’s mastered the other 2 areas so he can always fall back on that.
So for all the haters out there, I say tough shit. Keep whining when the man fights again and Buffer lets us know….for the winner and STILL UFC WW champion.
Anyone notice how
GSP was “pulling on that armbar” and not raising his hips much… Not that it would make a difference cause hardy wouldve never tapped
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Mar 28, 2010 7:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
food for thought...
While St. Pierre was unable to finish Hardy, the grappling clinic he put on set three new career highs for GSP:
11 takedowns landed (previous high, 10 vs. Alves)
6 submission attempts (previous high, 5 vs. Koscheck)
26 positional improvements (previous high, 14 vs. Miller)
^^ from bloodyelbow.com
Thoughts anyone?
what about fitch fight
Is that GSPs highest standing strikes?
dan hardy took a beating but he won me over as a fan.
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 28, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WOW
Just by looking at the stat’s you would have thought gsp destroyed hardy standing and on the ground. The fight was very disappointing to me, and I think I’m falling off the gsp band wagon, yes it is good to win the fight but bottom line, the entire point of mma is entertainment and if you bore the fans, you lose fans and therefore are less marketable. GSP’s stock dropped quite a bit Saturday night, as I knew it would after the fight. I was screaming, just breaking his arm!!! I know, I’m a savage, but I REALLY wanted to see gsp stop this guy. I predicted a sub win in the first by gsp and a tko for shane, dammit I was almost right with gsp. GSP has the potential to be a really great fighter, but since the serra fight really doesn’t take many risks, he only cares about winning and not embarrassing himself, I think the serra fight scarred him. This fight could have been soooo much more entertaining if gsp wasn’t robot planned for the submission and IMO I don’t care what anyone says, doesn’t have it in him to break a guys arm. I was surprised at how well gsp did standing, with all the negative comments he has been receiving lately you would think he would try something different, to be fair he DID stand with hardy for a half a round in the second and hardy did next to NOTHING offensively.
To be honest I felt bad for both guys after the fight, gsp didn’t look himself, his ground and pound was horrible, and hardy looked like a fish out of water-like some adult wrestling/manhandling some young teenager. I hate to admit it but the main event sucked, I was very disappointed. Props to dan for having good ground defense but he had literally no offense, standing or on the ground. And props to gsp for his lighting takedowns, some of them were very impressive, and his stand up looked good, wished he would have stood more. I can’t defend gsp anymore…..if he is so concerned about a legacy and not so much the belt anymore, spice things up, he used to be much more entertaining pre-serra. Actually one of his most entertaining fights was a decision win, his fight with jason miller, great fight, well I’ve said enough.
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