Dana White wants Jon Fitch vs Josh Koscheck to determine welterweight contender. Fitch? Not so much (Video)
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Make it happnen then
Dana you talk about this all the time and yet nothing gets done about it. Put up or shut up.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Mar 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
the thing that he was talking about that he couldn't mention yet
I guarantee you is a rule that he will implement that if you’re asked to fight your training camp mate you will. Plain and freakin’ simple. Seriously, how bad do you want that title?
They should......
THey should put it in their contracts saying if you want a title shot then you have to face title contenders whether teammates or not!!!! THen we would see Silva vs Machida, and who doesn’t want to see that fight? But then again would they not go all out?
They'll go all out if they like winning.
They should force training partners to fight if it has direct belt implications. I don’t really need to see Bones Jones vs. Rashad yet, but if they are both one step away from a title, they have to fight.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
I have a feeling GSP's next opponent is going to be Shields is what he couldn't mention
And this is why Fitch isn’t going to get the next shot and will have to battle for the Next shot against the winner of the KOS fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think the announcement is definitely that he is going to sign Sheilds and...
have him fight GSP or…
Have sheilds fight the winner of Kos/Semtex for a shot at GSP
I like Dana’s attitude towards fitch and Kos
I think GSP isn`t going to wait for these guys to fight twice, Shields fights in less than a month
I bet we hear a announcement he is signed right after as well his first fight will be announced against GSP.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
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if jake somehow beats hendo, than he will definitely resign..
if he loses, he will maybe sign with the ufc..
i don’t think he is ready to head over to the ufc yet..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Mar 29, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Win or lose his serious competition would be in the UFC...
I mean the only other sensible fight at SF would be Jacare, which I would love to see. Nick Diaz leaves that division alone because of Jake. Moussais also fights at 185 right? I guess that would also be a great fight. Although I think Moussasi’s stand up would be to much for Jake. Jake belongs at 170#’s though.
As far as Kos and Fitch go, business is business and all friendship aside if you want the title you fight whomever is in front of you. I think Dana said it best when Fitch said “that will never happen.” and Dana rebuttled with, “Then you don’t want Title shot that bad!”
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
I think Moussasi said he was sticking with 205 because 185 is too hard to cut to. Not positive on that though
Well then that would leave Shields with Jacare only...
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
Hendo will destroy Shields
Strikeforce will have that highlight reel knock for their next promotion of Hendo.
Based on their records, both of them have to be considered title contenders. I say neither of them gets a shot at GSP until they fight each other.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
exactly and Dana seemed pretty serious about that
What the fuck do they do if one of them actually becomes champ? If Fitch miraculously beat GSP what would Kos do? Not want the belt anymore? GTFO
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man
Dana NEEDS to get serious about this
he needs to break up these little clans. Kos, Fitch, and Swick are 3 TOP 10 guys in the same division who won’t fight each other. Same crap with Anderson, Machida, Nog Bros, and JDS.
Wow Fitch's fight was a snoozer
There were several times he could have ended the fight if he had just thrown a flurry of punches at Saunders. He’s obviously a skilled fighter but I guess he doesnt care about finishing fights.
So if Fitch gets a title shot and grinds out a win somehow, and if Koschek were to be number 1 contender would they not fight each other? Or Vice versa. Say Kos somehow becomes champ and Fitch is #1 contender would they not fight?
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong: man with four balls cannot walk."
I've heard their camp say they may fight if it was for a title, not a title shot. meaning one of them would have to take out GSP first.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Fitch the Bitch should be put on the undercards
Away from our sight.
by Lester The Pimp on Mar 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
Agree
I like when he said " I won my last four fight, I wish they all could have been stoppages but sometimes that isn’t how it works" How about that isn’t how it EVER works.
No rematch with Fitch until he stops a fight against a top 5 guy.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Agreed
I want to see him beat a top 5 guy period, decisions over Gono, Saunders and Pierce hardly justifies a title shot. His only notable win was a boring and close decision over Thiago. Fitch has done nothing since getting destroyed by GSP to earn a rematch.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
He did stop Alvez, young Alvez or not,
So did Spencer Fisher, Thiago is a lot better now
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 28, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OK, Scott1.
I’ve seen you flip flop so much I don’t know if I want to argue with you. You’ll always be on the winning side, or at least join the winning side once it is clear which side that is.
GSP is a boring wrestler and he needs to move up to LHW if he ever wants to be mentioned in P4P talks again. Is that good enough?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He's a grappler now
He’s moved up a tad from just wrestling in my opinion.
I know you are a good guy.
I thought you were doing a little trolling on me. We usually get along well. That’s why I don’t want to argue with you, I like your posts.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
thx mate the feelings mutual
i know people,no matter how objective they try to be,will always see no wrong in their favourite fighters.im the same! i think george is awesome but id love him to start finishing guys.i think he could theres just something holding himback.
plus i think people dont take into account how tough his opponents are.fitch took one hell of a beating
i dont think gsp couldve done much more to be fair.alves was neutralized and hardys arms were just stretch armstrong like!
GSP has finished 3 of his last 7...
and 2 of the fighters that he didn’t finished got complelty abused for 5 rounds (Alves and Fitch). Kos and Hardy I think are the 2 that faired the best against him and Kos was only a 3 rounder (no telling what may have happened with another 2 rounds). I think Kos is more explosive as a wrestler then Fitch and I like that he is willing to put it all on the line, take a chance going for the win, even though it has caused him to lose in the past. Like you said below as well GSP is fighting top 5 comp. most of the time. There is a reason they are top 5 and at 170# the division has been the same for a long time. The guys are elite, tough, and are going to hold their rankings for years to come. GSP is just so far ahead of other fighters. I am one that personally feels he needs to step up and hit up the MW division. He has cleared it out and I am not all that interested in rematches and guys who are barely top 10 fighters. That is just my opinion though.
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
Everyone trains with everyone!
I agree, I’m tired of hearing it. People go to camps and now everyone at their camp is instantly their blood brother no way they’d fight. It’s BS. Granted Fitch and Kos have been together a long time but what are you in MMA for? to build friendships, or win titles?
How do you benfit from beating a fighter you see everyday?
You would get nothing from a win to help you for your title shot. You lose your main training partner, because your in there to kill him practically.
It's a tough call, but I see Fitch's point of view
These guys have built eachother by spending countless hours in the gym. It’s tough to go in their and fight your friend with the intention of destroying him. Even GSP said he would never fight a friend.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
It doesn't make sense and wouldn't be a fight
How hard is that to understand, especially when they’re supposed to be 5-10 guys to keep you busy in your division. But Dana wants to fuk with you instead, by giving undeserving shots to people that he personally likes, because they’ll help out the market more, not because they earned it.
I also see Fitch's POV...
…as well as Black House, and other guys who train together being hesitant to fight each other. It’s not an easy situation at all. Sure, it’s a job and it’s just business, but trying to make it completely not prsonal goes out the window when you get hit in the face.
But in this specific situation, they had to have realized that w/ three guys from the same camp in the same weight division, that a scenario where they would have to fight might crop up. Fitch loses the ability to credibly complain about not getting the next title shot if he refuses to fight another top contender in Kos(if he beats Daley), and vice versa.
The problem is though you have...
3 guys from the same camp in the top 10. Two of those guys have been holding 2 of the top 5 spots for the last couple of years with Fitch and Kos. So at some point, to truly hash out this weight class they have to fight. What if by some chance GSP loses to Fitch or GSP moves up and relinquishes the title. If Kos or Fitch get the Belt is the other just going to sit back and not compete? Why keep fighting at that point? The ultimate goal is the belt. If Fitch gets it what is Kos going to fight for, to be number 2. Yay, I am number 2, I can never be number 1 though because my teamate is number 1! One of these guys should make a move up to MW then if they refuse to fight each other. That is what Shields and Diaz have done.
"90 percent of the game is half mental"
"Im the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Words of Wisdom by Tim Sylvia
Mirko Filipovic: The guys that are always trying to impress girls by saying 'Hey, I bought a new Ferrari or I bought a new ship.' I will take her to my room and she'll see 10 guns. 15 revolvers.
Filipovic's Manager: And a small dick!
I'm not bothered about these 2 fighting though it was a funny exchange
Fitch is notorious for grinding out boring decision wins so a fight against fellow wrestler Kos when neither even want to fight each other doesn’t appeal to me at all. It’ll be a moot point anyway when Semtex kos the fraggle.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fitch can piss off
I am sick of this AKA bulls**t. Fight or go somewhere else… Or move divisions cuz you DONT deserve a shot until you can stop a top 5-10 guy or beat the other contender which is Kos. Saunders took him to a decision…. I think Killa B is amazing for being somewhat of a newcomer but this made people realize Fitch doesn’t deserve a rematch with GSP
"He got to the championship a couple times but choked…no literally, he got choked..... twice." - Matt Serra talking about Frank Trigg
dana obviously disagrees with you..and his opinion is probably a little more important than yours
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Goddamnit
Fitch is fucking terrible, I mean great wrestler and I know its how he wins fights, but he’s just fucking terrible the most boring fighter in the UFC by far. He can do that to a STAND UP fighter like Ben Saunders, but GSP? hahaha. Even Koscheck if they stopped bein girls and did fight I think would beat Fitch. Here’s hopin Kos gets dummied by Daley.
by theworldismine on Mar 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
John Fitch and Co. are gay...
end of story.
"...twice this fight was like about 'mega-seconds' from bein' over!"
-Mike Goldie commentating during the 4th round of the GSP-Hardy fight
looks like Dana is still mad a John for that video game shit lol
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
What fight were you guys watching last night?
Jon beat the shit out of ben. I think it is so funny that people boo Jon last night. And then cheer for gsp when he does the same thing. Jon is obviously the #1 contender in ww. He beat Ben at his own game last night. Fitch’s stand up was much better then Saunders, and every time Jon kicked him in the legs he would almost fall over. How could Dana say that Kos deserves a shot at Fitch when he couldn’t beat paulo and Jon did.
good post erik
People are blinded on this site by their hate for Fitch.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Fitch didn't put a mark on Ben. He was LnPing all fight.
He threw 4 punches in the first round. He can’t stop a 25th ranked WW when he is ranked 2nd. Fitch has more decisions than anyone in the history of the UFC. He has zero personality and is afraid to fight his boyfriend. Yeah that John Fitch guy is cool.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
im not sure where all this hate for Fitch came from
But he only had 3 rounds to finish and it looked to me like he beat the hell out of Ben. I really wanted him to finish this fight just so i didnt have to read all this bashing of the guy on here. No offense jay. Also Im already ready to move on to the next card this one was ok at best. And when does personality come into play during a fight.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
I'm glad he only had 3 rounds to lay on Ben
If you aren’t even getting close to finishing guys ranked 25th, you shouldn’t be talking title shots with GSP.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
C'mon jay...
There was a noticeable difference in skill levels in that fight. Saunders had NO BUSINESS being in the same cage. He got beat at every facet of mma last night.
Sure, kudos to BS for stepping up, but that fight was not even close. Fitch proved his worth last night. Even without a stoppage. Are you gonna bash GSP for not finishing AGAIN? Otherwise you just look like a hypocrite.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Like I said. Dan Hardy is a lot harder to finish than Killa B.
Also the records and finish rates for GSP and Fitch aren’t close. I don’t compare them in any way.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Hardy proved how tough he was last night.
Both the armbar and Kimura still make me wince, but other than that, GSP did the exact same thing Fitch did last night. Took down his opponent at will, did very little on the ground, and easily won.
Why not a rematch? Fitch did not expect to get outwrestled in the first match by GSP. Coming in with a different gameplan may help him. Not saying it will, but creating “#1 contenders” like Hardy lost its luster for me after watching how easily GSP won that fight. Fitch and Kos are the only guys in the division right now who even have a cahnce against that type of grappling.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
and how the hell does one of those judges give TWO 10-8 rounds to GSP?
Hell, even the judges now swing on his nuts.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
and GSP has been my favorite fighter since Hughes #1.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
It's 10-8 when you basically tear a guys arm off and dominate him for 5 minutes.
It would be the same as him almost finishing him with strikes. Most/all of those rounds could have been 10-8.
GSP didn’t take Hardy down and do nothing with it. He almost broke both arms. Fitch laid on Ben and did NOTHING. No big punches, no passing, no sub attempts, no punches thrown on the feet. Nothing. Those two fights were nothing alike.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Said through "Fitch hate" or "GSP Love" colored glasses. lol
jay, I am done arguing with you over this. I will watch GSP/Fitch II, as will you.
I believe it will be more entertaining than last night’s fight because Fitch at least has a chance of a reversal or an escape or actually coming close to stopping even one takedown.
You don’t. So be it.
And one DEEP submission attempt does not make a round 10-8, even when compounded with the little bit of groundstrikes that actually landed, Did you see Hardy’s face? It was cleaner than Alves’ and Fitch’s. I didn’t see one 10-8 round last night, let alone two.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
A sub attempt that close is as close to stopping the fight as rocking someone and almost stopping them
Who cares anyway? You’re complaining about the judges in this fight? You people are hilarious. It’s the judges fault Hardy sucked the big one last night.
We won’t see Fitch/GSP 2 for a couple years if ever. You can book that. MMA isn’t a face damage contest, I don’t care what Dan’s face looks like. As long as his teeth are still crooked we’re all good.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
lol. in a fight like that, I need something to bitch about? The judges are as good as any.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
disreagrd the "?"
it was an awesome GSP performance. I just am a big believer in 10-9 rounds unless a guy gets overwhelmed. I didn’t see that happen last night.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
love the teeth comment.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
10-8s
Hey Ulf M,
Maybe the judge that scored the 10-8 rounds felt Hardy did nothing offensive in those rounds. Most of the fight was GSP dominating Hardy. I remember one round where Hardy was trying to get up from all fours, and GSP just dragged him back down.
GSP is a smart fighter. He is doing what he has to so he can stay the champion and be injury free. He is playing the odds, and in Hardy’s case, GSP’s odds on the ground were much better then standing.
They fought already. Fitch doesn't need to wow us with his reversals and escapes.
He would get punched out again. No need to see any of that again. You don’t get rematches unless someone thinks something has changed since last time, or last time was a fluke. This fight wouldn’t fit under either criteria.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
I know you don't like him
But im just curious what does Fitch have to do to get a title shot again?
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
He has to prove he has a shot of beating GSP.
Either because he improves at something that can beat GSP, or GSP has to decline in his abilities.
They won’t give him a rematch.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Or there are no other credible challengers.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
almost fall over? Give me a BREAK!
enough with the exaggeration. While I agree with you on the people who boo and whine about a guy like Fitch wrestling his opponent to death, because it in my opinion is the worst thing that fans do. I guess they all have like 30 second attention spans and can’t pay attention to any action that takes more time than that.
Look Saunders is a tall, lanky 170. Outwrestling a wrestling product like Fitch isn’t going to be Saunders’ forte. But he did have a very good guard and if Fitch were to get over aggressive with his positioning Saunders would’ve exploded up to his feet.
I was surprised in the lack of urgency by Saunders by the latter half of the second to get off with his striking arsenal but when you fight a guy like Fitch, I guess it’s easier said then done.
Saunders is just 26, took this fight on two days notice and I expect him to learn immensely from this fight and be better in the future because of it.
Good Post Dion!
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Saunders was completely outclassed and took the fight on short notice, and Fitch still did fuck-all. Fitch can’t get over-aggressive with his positioning or Saunders will explode? If you enjoy watching some dry-humper sit in guard and not improve his position and not inflict any damage whatsoever and not make any attempt to finish the fight, then more power to you.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Im so sick of Kos, Swick, Fitch!!
Who do these guys think they are anyways. Bunchoffuckingoofs, make them fight. If they wont, send the whole team packing, they think they are good but Fitch is the only one that means anything in the mix.
That's a good idea. Where can they all go and not have to fight each other?
They will be jobless and begging to fight each other in a week.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
does anyone honestly want to see GSP vs. Fitch II?
GSP beat the crap out him for 5 rounds and took 1 or 2 of them 10-8.
No point at all of a rematch, there won't be one.
Fitch hasn’t even improved since that beating. GSP has.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Nothing in his performance since losing to GSP...
…has indicated that he’s an improved fighter, like he claims. While purely ranking-wise he’s probably the #1 contender in the UFC, I have no problem w/ seeing him get passed over for a title shot.
By who?
If Semtex doesn’t KTFO Kos, there is no other credible challenger that has not already been dismantled by GSP. Unless Shields actually beats Dan, but pigs don’t fly, so that is not happening.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Shields is a better opponent than Fitch, even if he loses to Dan
Especially if he stops a couple Dan take downs. Fitch has absolutely nothing to offer GSP, it has been proven. Move on.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Nothing to see here. Keep it moving. lol.
There is no way to spin Shields getting a title shot if he loses to Hendo. Then he would have to get through either Fitch or Kos to get a shot at GSP, and I don’t see that happening either.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
You think losing to Hendo in a five round war is going to hurt the reputation of a WW?
Of course it won’t.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
a loss is a loss is a loss. ask BJ about that one.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
But it didn't affect BJ's fights at LW right?
He’s still kick ass at LW even though he was beaten by the best at WW. Well Shields is a WW, losing at MW to Dan Henderson doesn’t prove he would lose at WW to GSP.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
But BJ is probably the best LW ever...
and has NEVER lost at LW. Why is he not considered P4P better than GSP who has lost at WW (even if avenged)? In fights out of his weight class he has lost. It is the negative perception of a loss.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
or that GSP beat him twice, even though a weight class above him like Dan is to Shields?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
u r right. forgot the lil evil fight.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
But i agree you dont get a UFC title Fight if your coming off a lose
But i understand Jays point. Man Dana has to be pulling for Jake in this fight coming up lol
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
But in BJ's case he still held onto a ufc lw belt
so you can’t strip him of that. So yes in that rare case a fighter would defend a title even know he is coming off a loss
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
I think Dana will go with the Kos/Daley winner...
…even if it’s Kos, maybe even to spite Fitch or sow dissension in the ranks, though he’d probably prefer a Daley win so he can feed GSP a fresh challenger. Problem is, there are really aren’t that many credible challengers for him left at WW right now. I don’t believe Fitch has any greater chance now than he did then against GSP. He probably has less, IMO. Only other credible opponent he hasn’t beaten yet is Shields, and if Jake loses to Hendo, they’ll have to take an extra fight or two to spin him as a contender.
why not?
honestly. Fitch is the clear No. 2 welterweight in the world if Alves is out. He’s just so god-damned solid. The guy doesn’t make any mistakes. He beats everyone he’s supposed to. You just can’t argue with that.
Right now nobody else is truly ready to fight GSP. I mean I’d like to see them push Anthony Johnson harder then giving him guys like Burns and now Howard (potentially) or Ben Saunders but he proved he wasn’t ready yet.
Who you want to give him? Daley? I know the fight starts standing and all but if he doesn’t have some semblance of TD, his ass will be on the mat pretty damn quickly. Kos? GSP already thoroughly dominated that fool. Kampmann? If he can get healthy that might be interesting.
But until then there’s four months here at least where if you want to keep GSP busy — which I certainly do and would hope every fan would want to see instead of just 2 fights a year — give him Fitch at 115 in Vancouver. Makes sense to me. Neither of these guys are hurt.
Fitch has done nothing to show he could make it closer with GSP than last time.
He hasn’t proven to anyone that he can beat GSP. GSP has to keep moving on to new challenges.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Jay what are you smoking?
His stand up is definitley better and he has become much quicker. If you can’t see that you need to stick to WWE wrestling. And why is it ok for Anderson Silva not wanting to fight Machida? But when fitch says it Dana calls him out.
uhhh because Anderson isn't a 205...yet
lol, dude, Anderson is the 185 lb champion and until that changes there’s no need to force him to fight Machida. Besides, Machida’s belt is in so much jeopardy without Anderson in the mix. Shogun already beat him once, but the judges want him to prove it so we get another matchup. Then there’s Rampage who when he’s on his game mentally, he’s the best 205’er there is. Period. And a 22 yo Jon Jones who’s already scary as fuck. There’s no need to make your 185lb champion and probably best fighter on your roster upset.
Faster on his feet? I haven't seen him on his feet in years.
Did you see how fast he was on his feet last night? HaHa, what are you talking about. Does he look faster than GSP right now?
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About here...
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Paulo Thiago
6. Dan Hardy
7. Nick Diaz
8. Matt Hughes
9. Paul Daley
10. Martin Kampmann
This is the rankings on March 23rd. Anything else smart guy?
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Wins over Gono, Markham, Davis and Swick should not make you #6 in th UFC.
But all kinds of UFC hype can.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
He didn't ask where he was and why, he asked where.
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I know, that is why I said "should"
Its all fucking rigged anyway to spin that POS last night as a credible match.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Sorry but this just has to be said. Everyone bashes on pretty boy for all of her posts, but this Jay character is the most arrogant know it all I have come across. Anyone who doesnt agree with him is an idiot that has no clue about mma. Get over yourself. You are not nearly as important as you think you are. I would rather listen to pretty boys harmless (albiet annoying posts, than the crap that Jay spews)
by Juggernaut11 on Mar 28, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
+50000000000
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 29, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish Fitch would read these posts
and get a clue. He needs to dedicate his time to standup and finish something. What he’s been doing hasn’t been working, so it’s time to change the fucking game plan
Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!
by whynot6891 on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
riiight
i bet you he finishes his dinner all the time
its a joke mate it comes from football over here when a striker misses an easy chance "he couldnt finish his dinner"
That was a good one mate
Made me laugh.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it hasnt been working?
I think he has only lost 1 fight in the UFC…. T
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
Do it Dana
and get rid of Kimbo & Toney while you’re at it.
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Whynot where have you been? Jon spent weeks in Tailand this past year to work on his stand up. And if you watched any of his fights you would know he has improved.
He doesn't fight on his feet. Even if he did he hasn't hurt anyone there in his life.
What would John Fitch do to GSP standing? He is a lost cause, he will never be good enough to compete with GSP. There is no point in watching this fight.
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UFC 87 was the first event I ever ordered
I saw Fitch get desroyed for 25 minutes. I was impressed with his heart though, he wouldnt quit. I follwed his story in hopes he would comebaack as a better fighter. I knew he went to Thialand. He looked ok agianst Gono. BUt his fight agains Thiago Silva at 100 was a snoozefest. He stands long enought to know he cant do anything, then goes back to what he knows. which is boring.
Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!
Honestly, I would enjoy watching Fitch get his ass handed to him on a platter for 25 minutes. Unfortunately, GSP will reverse-Fitch him. Take him down, play it safe, move from guard to half-guard to side control to mount and back to guard just to prove he can.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
The Pierce fight proved how bad Fitchs striking is
He’s nowhere near as good in the feet and only has one win over a contender, 3 boring and irrelevant wins and no stoppages since getting a 25 minute beatdown from GSP. Unless he convincingly beats Alves or Semtex next then he shouldn’t get a rematch, decision wins over guys outside the top 10 doesn’t make you the top contender.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the only thing about forcing these guys to fight each other is
how good will the actual fights end up being if these guys are so buddy-buddy. i agree that the best guys should fight each other say anderson-machida or fitch-kos, but if the fighters wont go at it full steam ahead i think in reality the fights will end up being glorified sparring sessions.
Heres the thing i dont get..
Everyone this morning is a new dan hardy fan and more and more are hating on fitch.. go back and watch the gsp vs. fitch fight and tell me that guy doesnt have heart. he got pounded on for 5 rounds and was still in gsps face till the very end. Atleast fitch tried to mount some offense in that fight instead of just being a human takedown bag. It seems to me like dana white just does not like fitch.
Fitch was fighting Saunders, Hardy was fighting GSP. It is easier to look good in Fitch's shoes than Hardy's. Wouldn't you say?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
lol
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I did respect fitchs heart after that fight
Having 4 boring decision wins and bitching about Hardy getting a title shot as well as falling out with the UFC over a video game made me dislike him. Hardy has an awesome personality and is entertaining to watch, Fitch is a bitter whiner who personifies boring.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fitch fought under 2 days notice and still dominated. He would of done a better job a second time than Hardy.
Fitch was scheduled to fight Alves. The 2 day notice thing means nothing.
He was stepping down to fight a 25th ranked fighter instead of the number 3 guy. And he sucked.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
True story jay.
Just dont get all the hate for fitch. Everyone forgets his fight with GSP. I dont even care if he gets the title shot or not but why hate on a guy for being a great wrestler and compiling a 12-1 record in the ufc.?
Because he's boring
This guy’s last 7 fights ended in DECISION! Give me a break. If you’re gonna fight the same way you’re gonna always fight, at least make it exciting. If I’m paying hundreds of dollars to go see your show, you better put up exciting fights. I’m not paying for snooze Fitch shows. Makes me happy whenever Fitch loses.
I don’t see a point in GSP doing any rematches just yet. I think what Dana says he can’t talk about yet is Jake Shields. I think it’s a done deal and he’ll get the next shot at GSP, there’s no-one else (apart from Nick Diaz) in the divsion that stands a chance. A fight with Daley will go the same way as Hardy and Alves.
i think you're on to something wolfman
shields would be a different style-wise match-up for gsp than his last couple fights and god knows dana loves effing with strikeforce any way he can
Shields or Nick Diaz?
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No idea.
I never hear of him signing contracts. Is he still fighting off his old EXC contract? Did SF just carry his contract over? No idea.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
As far as I know both Jake and Nicks Elite contracts carried over to SF
Dana has sounded more keen on Jake than Nick, though he’d be a moron if he didn’t try to sign them. They’re the only 2 remaining competetive fights for GSP at WW, unless Semtex can develop a world class sprawl. The Kos fight will answer a lot of questions on what Pauls chances are against GSP.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They've known each other for a year. What makes you the expert on Jones?
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ANS confirmed that they won't fight
No Jackson fighters will face each other, like he saud they’re more of a family than a team. In fact Lauzon-Lauzon is more likely than any Jackson fighters competing against each other.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its irrelevant anyway cause semtex will demolish Kos
so Fitch will end up fighting semtex who’ll KO him too then he’ll probably get a shot at GSP who’ll do nothing but take him down for 5 rounds
Kos can take semtex down anytime he wants
Kos won’t fuck around with the standup in this fight because of the title implications, he will take sextex down and bash his face in to the mat.
We'll see
Kos stood the whole time with Alves and Semtex has a very underrated sprawl plus he’s not completely useless off his back. I like Daleys chances a lot in this one, I’ll be very surprised if he’s taken down at will by Kos.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I watched ALL of Jon Fitch's fights post GSP...
And I was miserably bored during all of them. I don’t care how many weeks he’s spent in Thailand working on his striking. I understand and accept that he doesn’t possess any semblance of knockout power. However, when you aren’t making even the slightest attempt to finish your opponent by way of submission or taking a chance and expending a lot of energy to finish an opponent via GnP, then who give a flying f***k how much bs “improvement” he garnered in Thailand.
Fitch can whine about “fake fans” wanting to see blood and guts all he wants. He can say “a win is a win is a win”. But in professional sports, winning isn’t the only thing. People don’t pay $50 hard earned dollars to watch a lay and pray clinic or humpfest. That’s why you don’t see amateur NCAA wrestlers in college competing in PPV wrestling leagues. Because NO ONE wants to watch that.
If Fitch simply wants to grind out his sure-fire win and not take any chances, fine. But don’t expect the UFC to put a lot of marketing behind you and don’t expect to be given a title shot every four fights when you were demolished in the last matchup and have only lain on other men in all of your subsequent fights and decisioned ALL OF THEM.
Then you have the audacity to challenge the promoter who pays your f*****g bills and refuse to fight the other true top contender in the welterweight division while simultaneously bitching about how you aren’t getting your due? Give me a break.
I used to respect Jon “Human Blanket” Fitch before and right after the GSP fight. Now I think of him as a petulant child who always wants his own way and can’t accept that what he’s doing isn’t appealing to fans who buy fights to watch fights. Grow up, young man. Grow up.
Good post though.
Way to get that off your chest buddy. I agree with the whole thing.
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Thanks, Jay
Guess I got a little carried away. But that was one helluva catharsis.
Same as last night without the passing of guard and sub attempts.
Hardy can’t wrestle, and at 170 you need to.
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he still managed to get back to his feet a few times
Fitch might take him down a couple times but not as well as GSP
He could hardly get out from under Davis and Swick
His wrestling is atrocious. I don’t care where he trains BJJ it is non-existent. He better stick to smaller guys and guys who don’t grapple well. He is horrible offensively and defensively on the ground.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Swick couldn't get him down all fight, Dan was getting the better of the grappling exchanges
His wrestling is his weak point but you’re going a bit ott about Hardys grappling. GSP makes everyone look bad on the ground.
Fitch: (On a potential fight with Kos) "That will only happen in our gym with the doors locked"
Dana: "That's going to sell a lot of tickets"
by David W-S on Mar 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Koschek is the number one contender if he beats daley
Fuck fitch, kos would kill him anyways, The only fight I wanna see right now at ww for the title is koschek vs gsp because kos is the only guy that has the combination of great wrestling and powerful standup to have a competitive fight with gsp.
Kos would kill Fitch
Fitch couldn’t lay on him and Fitch can’t knock anyone out so….I’d love to see that fight.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
I still wanna see alves fight fitch
Fitch didnt get hurt at all during that fight with saunders so he should be able to get back in there pretty quick. Alves would have lit fitch up last night, pisses me off that he had to pull out.
I don't think Kos/GSP would be very competitive either.
If GSP is so pissed about his performance he should step up and fight Kos in Montreal. He has a month and a half. He didn’t get touched….
Step up and fight in Montreal Georges!
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
They all should be worried...
Daley kan shake things up if his take down defense is up to par… Kos/Fitch/Gsp stand up isn’t even klose to his (Daley)… GSP’s stand up was horrible last night…
What was wrong with GSP's stand up? He didn't get hit, he was two steps faster than his opponent.
I don’t think it looked Horrible.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He avoided mixing it up with Hardy ...
When Hardy isnt a “world klass” striker… Hardy was just a fighter with a punchers khance and I expected see more of GSP’s striking… Especially when it was obvious he was able to take Hardy down at will…
It aint just the AKA guys..
Daley-Hardy, GSP and any other person at tri-star/jackson’s, I understand why he’d want those fights, hell I wanna see em too, but I also understand where the fighters are coming from. It’s bullshit that Hardy got the title shot, especially when theres dudes like Fitch and Kos tearin shit up by beating the best in the division. Fitch isn’t the most exciting fighter to most people, I’ma fan of the guy so i’m not bored during the fights, I like wrestling and ground games. But he does show the same dominance in the ring as GSP, takin guys out of there game and controlling the pace of the fight. 12-1 is an amazing record, especially at that level of competition, I understand people want to see some fresh faces but look at the Hardy-GSP fight, all people are gonna do is complain when GSP takes em down and dominates them anyways.
by FrostyGreenz559 on Mar 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
GSP did the exact same thing.....Why is Fitch taking flak!
Fitch has showed good stand up in his last few fight, but he knows his strength. Check out his fight against Akihiro Gono, great stand-up and he used every weapon in his arsenal. Unfortunately it wasn’t aired and was an undercard cause Dana White was pissed that he wouldn’t signed the rights over to his name indefinitely!!!! with no monetary gain!!!! Oh and the reasoning was for a dumb video game but that would have ment that Fitch would have had to pay to use his own name from then on. Dana is an idiot and ever since has hated Fitch cause he doesn’t take shit and isn’t a pussy. The crowd was being so ridiculous by even boo’ing Fitch when he was in the clinch throwing great knees. If you want stand up with no ground and clinch go watch a boxing bout everyone and take off the tapout shirts……there a lot more to mma then blood and pain.
As if Dana would force Machida or Silva to fight each other but I think the winner of Daley-Koscheck is gonna face the winner of Alves – Fitch and determine the #1 contender. Fitch wont fight koscheck he has too much respect for his teammates just like GSP.
I think what Dana couldn't mention was GSP's next opponent Shields
And Fitch and the winner of the KOS fight will need to fight for the next opportunity.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Dana's plan is clear to me
If Koscheck beats Daley he will set up Fitch v GSP. He wills end the contracts and make it public then it wil be all on fitch and Koscheck. Koscheck will do it he doesnt give shit. Koscheck could beat GSP and so could Daley but id give Kos the best shot
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
I also think that if Daley beats Kos,
then he’ll get the next shot at Gsp.
Roger that
Fresh meat before the ones that got beat.
by Dball on Mar 29, 2010 1:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shields to ufc
Shields is coming to the ufc win or lose against hendo. Shields is pissed that all the ads and commercials promote only hendo and not him. He is also looking to get paid, and the ufc is willing to pay him. I heard form a very good source that indeed GSP will fight Shields. Winner of Kos and daley will fight fitch for next shot at gsp. So if it is kos, dana will make him fight fitch, if he wont paulo thiago will get the next shot9deserving or not. This is from a very reputable source.
Wasn't this a major point of the Ultimate fighter house?
Fighters are separated into two teams, but often times it’s two members of the same team that have to fight in the finals. And the teams don’t serve much of a purpose other then to create drama between coaches. This is what I love about MMA, no teams. It’s what for me makes MMA the PINNACLE of sport competition. The utilization of more skills then any other sport, and it’s one on one. But I do see it as a sport. And that means you act as sportsman. To say you won’t fight someone because he’s your friend is unsportsman like to me. Maybe the expression mixed martial arts isn’t as appropriate as say combat SPORTS, as it refers to it as a martial art and not a sports competition.

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